Leaked Galax slide confirms NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 20 GB, RTX 3070 Ti, RTX 3060 and RTX 3070 inferiority to the RTX 2080 Ti

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Leaked Galax slide confirms NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 20 GB, RTX 3070 Ti, RTX 3060 and RTX 3070 inferiority to the RTX 2080 Ti
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NVIDIA has only released three RTX 30 series cards so far, but we already know that the company has more planned courtesy of confirmation from Gigabyte. Now, a slide produced by Galax has leaked online, re-affirming that an RTX 3060 and RTX 3080 20 GB are due. Unsurprisingly, the RTX 3080 20 GB is sandwiched between the RTX 3080 10 GB and RTX 3090, while the RTX 3060 is at the bottom of the RTX 30 series product stack.

According to the slide, the RTX 3060 should offer comparable performance to that of the RTX 2080, which would be huge uplift between generations. However, Galax has also positioned the RTX 3070 between the performance of the RTX 2080 SUPER and RTX 2080 Ti, which is incongruous with the claims made by NVIDIA at the start of the month. As the image below shows, NVIDIA pitched the RTX 3070 as being 'faster than' the RTX 2080 Ti, but Galax does not think that this is the case.
 

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Was really hoping 3070 was > 2080 Ti. 2080 Super ,is what, 12-15% better than my 1080Ti? 208Ti is 30% uplift from my 1080Ti. I guess 3070 is going to be 20% better than my 1080Ti?

That means I need to go 3080 (and lose 1G ram) or spend maybe $899 for 20GB 3080. I may just sit this generation out. I guess I'm doing OK at 1440p for a while....My monitor is Gsync so I'm not sure AMD is a solution at the moment.
 
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" Videocardz claims that NVIDIA will base the RTX 3070 SUPER/Ti on a full TU104 GPU, "

Whaaaaaaaaaat?????

TU??? 3070?????? WHAT!?
 

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Tbh I was surprised by the amount of hype for the 30 series cards on this forum. So many posters were drinking the Kool-Aid marketing hype. I find this curious as I constantly see posts where members are very adamant about not pre-ordering games and waiting for reviews.
 

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Tbh I was surprised by the amount of hype for the 30 series cards on this forum. So many posters were drinking the Kool-Aid marketing hype. I find this curious as I constantly see posts where members are very adamant about not pre-ordering games and waiting for reviews.

The thing about hype is that we drink it because it tastes good.
It's not like we take it seriously.
 

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I feel for any 2080 Ti owner who sold early and cheap. Never take Jensen "It Just Works" Huang at his word!
I don't, if they're so addicted to the consumeristic drive to have to always have the latest and greatest then quite frankly they deserve everything they get.

That said, not exactly shocked by the 3070 leak considering what we saw with the 3080 results, and then clarification the "2x was done on like Minecraft RTX" or some shit like that. That being said, somewhere between 2080 Super and 2080 Ti is still a great deal. But having a slide without anything to back it up/show what exactly that means really doesn't say much either, it could be even worse.
 

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NVidia leaves enough wiggle room in their designs that if an AIB wanted to release a card with more memory they are welcome to do it, but I think this is going to be one of those vendor one offs, but I doubt the cost increase would justify the performance change. They would be better off finding a way to up the cooling ability and putting faster clocked memory on the cards.
 

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Tbh I was surprised by the amount of hype for the 30 series cards on this forum. So many posters were drinking the Kool-Aid marketing hype. I find this curious as I constantly see posts where members are very adamant about not pre-ordering games and waiting for reviews.

Couldn’t have said it better. The Kool aid was thick here.
 

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Tbh I was surprised by the amount of hype for the 30 series cards on this forum. So many posters were drinking the Kool-Aid marketing hype. I find this curious as I constantly see posts where members are very adamant about not pre-ordering games and waiting for reviews.
Too many people cooped up for too long, need something to be excited about so this just happened to tick their box.
 

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I don't think it was necessarily drinking cool aid.... We've had kinda ho hum video cards for a couple generations now between AMD and Nvidia. This launch was promising nearly double the performance at the same price and for the most part it delivered... Well more like 75% but still pretty good. Let's face it, hardware wise we haven't had a whole lot to be excited about for a while now. It's only natural that we jump all over this launch.
 

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So how long until this RTX 3070 Ti/Super thing? Seems like it would be too expensive for me anyways. Must be a $600 card, which is crazy given the **80s used to cost around this much just a few years ago.
 

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So how long until this RTX 3070 Ti/Super thing? Seems like it would be too expensive for me anyways. Must be a $600 card, which is crazy given the **80s used to cost around this much just a few years ago.
IIRC 3070 is supposed to be $499...not sure on TI, but figure if 3080 is $699, maybe $599?
 

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IIRC 3070 is supposed to be $499...not sure on TI, but figure if 3080 is $699, maybe $599?
I don't expect to see the TI's until some time next year when they are able to do one of those "node improvements" where they have the process refined enough that they are able to get some higher clocks out of the parts at the same power/thermal envelope, possibly some extra memory then just to keep their name in the news then the year after that the next gen refresh. The 3000 cards at least at this point are pretty close together in terms of price and perform really well for their target audiences, I personally think at this point market wise less is more for this generation.
 

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The "hype" would be about performance and (theoretical) cost, which at least for the 3080, is compelling to most. I think we could all agree on that.

And yeah, then the hype-train runs smack into the reality-wall of "well, you can't actually buy it", which is what our fearless leader has been explaining. I got a paper cut just looking for purchase options.

If it wasn't a not-really-launch, it would be smash hit. Right now it's still a lab queen, practically speaking.
 

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Disappointing for the lower middle range market. 2060 launched at $349. Can get 5700xt's all day for $349 which is fairly close to a 2080 (~10% slower). Doesn't really move performance up too much in the price bracket. Maybe it will launch at $299? Guess RTX/DLSS is nice.
 

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I feel for any 2080 Ti owner who sold early and cheap. Never take Jensen "It Just Works" Huang at his word!

You’d think, though, that someone who ponied up $1200 USD for a 2080Ti only to sell it at a fire sale price less than two years later would know enough by now to not make a decision like that based on a marketing slide showing benchmarks from unidentified games. Don’t we all know this by now? That marketers take a graph from the single game that doubles performance and then puts out “ZOMG, TWICE AS FAST!!1!!one!!” in big, bold letters for all to see? I mean how many times has this been the case?
 

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You’d think, though, that someone who ponied up $1200 USD for a 2080Ti only to sell it at a fire sale price less than two years later would know enough by now to not make a decision like that based on a marketing slide showing benchmarks from unidentified games.

True. Nvidia has proven their claims should not be taken seriously, and people need hard numbers from independent sources before they make decisions. I agree that if you're that worried over saving a few bucks instead of enjoying your hobby, probably shouldn't have bought that 2080 Ti to begin with.
 

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Disappointing for the lower middle range market. 2060 launched at $349. Can get 5700xt's all day for $349 which is fairly close to a 2080 (~10% slower). Doesn't really move performance up too much in the price bracket. Maybe it will launch at $299? Guess RTX/DLSS is nice.

Yes, but with a 5700XT instead of a 2060, you don’t get to run RTX and experience gaming in all it’s ray traced glory at 20FPS.
 

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True. Nvidia has proven their claims should not be taken seriously, and people need hard numbers from independent sources before they make decisions. I agree that if you're that worried over a few hundred bucks instead of enjoying your hobby, oribably shouldn't have bought that 2080 Ti to begin with.

It’s not just Nvidia. Don’t take marketing claims seriously in general, period. Remember “wait for Vega”? How’d that work out for everyone?
 

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Yes, but with a 5700XT instead of a 2060, you don’t get to run RTX and experience gaming in all it’s ray traced glory at 20FPS.
I'm not sure an optional RTX toggle is necessarily the same level of headache as a card with 6+ months of black screens and broken drivers.

But I'm hopeful for AMD's next round of cards so I can dual-boot MacOS again.
 
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I'm not sure an optional RTX toggle is necessarily the same level of headache as a card with 6+ months of black screens and broken drivers.

But I'm hopeful for AMD's next round of cards so I can dual-boot MacOS again.
Yeah I really wish AMD had just owned up to the dead cards, by the way the black screens and such weren't broken drivers. It was the same issue that was plaguing the 2080TI's, Samsung and TSMC got hit by a bad batch of chemicals that were used in their fabrication processes. AMD didn't admit to the issue like NVidia did but they did write down the losses from the incident on their year end.
 

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Was really hoping 3070 was > 2080 Ti. 2080 Super ,is what, 12-15% better than my 1080Ti? 208Ti is 30% uplift from my 1080Ti. I guess 3070 is going to be 20% better than my 1080Ti?

That means I need to go 3080 (and lose 1G ram) or spend maybe $899 for 20GB 3080. I may just sit this generation out. I guess I'm doing OK at 1440p for a while....My monitor is Gsync so I'm not sure AMD is a solution at the moment.

3070 is going to be a $500 GPU that slots in between the performance of last gens 2080S and 2080Ti, which covered the $800-1200+ range. I'm not seeing a reason to gripe about that.

I agree with you in regards to jumping up to the 3080, if the extra money is in the wallet.
 

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I'm guessing these unnamed SKUs are going to be another SUPER launch to shuffle the deck on AMD's 'big Navi' parade this October, just like Nvidia did last year.
 

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Was really hoping 3070 was > 2080 Ti. 2080 Super ,is what, 12-15% better than my 1080Ti? 208Ti is 30% uplift from my 1080Ti. I guess 3070 is going to be 20% better than my 1080Ti?

That means I need to go 3080 (and lose 1G ram) or spend maybe $899 for 20GB 3080. I may just sit this generation out. I guess I'm doing OK at 1440p for a while....My monitor is Gsync so I'm not sure AMD is a solution at the moment.
I saw no tangible difference in games (other than DLSS and ray tracing) between my old EVGA 1080 Ti FE under a Kraken G10/Kraken X41 and a (thankfully free) EVGA 2080 Super XC Ultra under that same G10/X41. The 1080 Ti clocked to 2025MHz (+500 on the VRAM IIRC), the 2080 Super to 2100 MHz with +1000 to the VRAM. I should note that I didn't write down any FPS numbers other than noting what I was getting with Mafia 3, the game I was heavy into playing at the time of the swap - so that game might just be an outlier.

I remember the disappointment a few months ago vividly - playing 4K Mafia 3 had basically the same frame rate before and after the swap, and it made me very happy that I got that card for free. Yes, I used DDU in safe mode to blow away the drivers. I've also yet to run into VRAM limits gaming at 4K on this 2080 Super with only 8GB compared to the 11GB the 1080 Ti has.
 

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Forgetting the hype for a minute, if the 3070 is only a little slower than the 2080 ti for a fraction of the price I'd call that pretty awesome.

I do admit that I'm far more concerned about the value when I purchase a new graphics card. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 

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I feel for any 2080 Ti owner who sold early and cheap. Never take Jensen "It Just Works" Huang at his word!

And to add insult to injury, in addition to having sold a card for far too little, a lot of people can't even get the 3080 or 3090 they were planning on.
 

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The 20 series price/performance compared to the 10 series was a joke. At least it looks like that will be a little better with the 30 series. It seems like just a marginal improvement for people like me in the $3-400 range though. I'm guessing the 3060 will be comparable to the 2070S but $400 and the 6700XT will just be a refreshed 5700XT, maybe they will undercut Nvidia and price it at $350.
 

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I feel for any 2080 Ti owner who sold early and cheap. Never take Jensen "It Just Works" Huang at his word!
"The more you buy, the more you save!" :ROFLMAO:

Also, the hype is totally Berserk. :D

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A shame we can't get Galax(y)/Palit/Gaimward cards in the US anymore. Apart from Powercolor, they're one of the few "non-premium" brands with interestingly engineered cooling.

The Galax 3080 and 3090 are the only models that do out of the box what alot of modders are doing to their cards already: dremel a few holes on the backplate to hold another fan. Simple, but reportedly effective way to reduce temps while keeping fan speed down.
 

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It’s not just Nvidia. Don’t take marketing claims seriously in general, period. Remember “wait for Vega”? How’d that work out for everyone?

AMD would never mislead its fans with marketing...

OTOH, AMD has a chance to pull a win if they do the exact opposite of Nvidia (availability/marketing). Here’s hoping.
 

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AMD would never mislead its fans with marketing...

OTOH, AMD has a chance to pull a win if they do the exact opposite of Nvidia (availability/marketing). Here’s hoping.

To be fair, I don’t entirely fault Nvidia for the current supply issue for a few reasons:

1) From what I’ve been seeing, retailers said that launch inventory was not smaller than normal, so this is an insatiable demand problem more than anything else. That and bots. Something needs to be done about that.

2) COVID lockdown has boosted tech demand across the board for months, so we’re getting more baseline demand than normal on top of the hype. I bought a monitor for my wife for Mother’s Day and the guy told me demand for everything PC related has been crazy. Granted, this was in May, but I haven’t seen signs of it abating.

3) COVID has caused supply and delivery problems across the board for a lot of companies, including the one I currently work for.

4) A lot of Nvidia fans didn’t upgrade to Turing, so there is a huge swath of people from Pascal that were waiting for something good to scratch that upgrade itch and/or prepare for Cyberpunk. Nvidia gave them that reason.

That said, AMD can pull out a huge win here, but I think they will run in to similar challenges that Nvidia has on the supply and delivery front. They may be saved, optically, from lower demand, as they have significantly lower market share and a smaller, albeit loyal, base of fanboys that are holding out for Big Navi. We’ll see, but I’m not holding my breath. The last really compelling launch from AMD was the HD7970. Hawaii was competitive, but it was a pig on power and kicked out a ton of heat. Big Navi will need to knock everyone’s socks off for them to pull off a clear win.
 

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This is one of many reasons why I've waited, despite the fact I'm definitely due for an upgrade. I'm particularly interested in the 3070 (S/Ti )16GB and the 3080 (S / Ti) 20GB RAM increased cards, especially how the latter will both be priced and compete performance wise against the 3090. If they can issue a 3080 Enhanced 20GB model that has the benefit of the increased VRAM yet trails the 3090 in "general" performance only by a small amount in non-VRAM-dependent tasks, all for under $1000 that's going to be a hard deal to pass up for anyone who wants to buy Nvidia. Those who need every bit of VRAM or will pay the premium for the last bit of performance can pick up a 3090 but a 3080 20GB model seems like it can come close enough for most gaming/mixed usage, if it is priced correctly.

The price (and possible release date) of the 3080 20GB and for that matter the 3070 16GB models will likely come down to how afraid they are of AMD. I'm really hoping that Big Navi / RDNA2 cards are exceptional and compete not just with the 3080 but the 3090 at the highest end, for cheaper. That will force Nvidia to release these enhanced versions and price accordingly, but I hope AMD has anticipated this and ensures their cards can compete with even the enhanced, VRAM equipped Ampere lineup. I'd prefer to support AMD's open (source, spec etc) ethos if their cards compete in both raw performance as well as features (ie an answer to DLSS, Nvidia game streaming codec etc ) but I guess we'll have to see what happens in the coming months.
 

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1) From what I’ve been seeing, retailers said that launch inventory was not smaller than normal, so this is an insatiable demand problem more than anything else. That and bots. Something needs to be done about that.

I've seen/heard the opposite. Microcenters getting 15 cards per store instead of 100 or so.
 
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3070 is going to be a $500 GPU that slots in between the performance of last gens 2080S and 2080Ti, which covered the $800-1200+ range. I'm not seeing a reason to gripe about that.

I agree with you in regards to jumping up to the 3080, if the extra money is in the wallet.

Only because they bumped the prices up. This is how Nvidia marketing works. They bump the prices up a lot, then next time drop prices a tiny bit, people think it is a "good value" because it was slightly cheaper than last time. Then they bump up the price again next year. Rinse repeat.

The performance is pretty standard, and the **70s don't compete with last years product line up so it is a moot point.

You can see the GTX 970 preformed roughly between the GTX 780 and 780ti here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-gtx-970-gaming/16.html

Obviously the GTX 970 was a very good buy at around $350 (typical street price), but typically the **70s were around $400. I paid $390 for an EVGA GTX 1070 around a month or so after launch.

TLDR: The RTX 3070 price is high, just like the RTX 2070. The performance jump is fairly standard. High price + standard performance jump = relatively expensive, and underwhelming value.
 
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