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Leaked AMD Ryzen Benchmarks?
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How on Earth does one go from 3.3 to 3.2GHz and performance drops off a cliff?
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Just the right eye for now. But the right eye went to hell in 6 months. Very fast.
I miss graphics
Glad you are doing well!
Oh yeah..... os2wiz please go back to semiaccurate if that is where you are from cause their forums not to mention their entire website is a mess, total BS all over the place.
You can take a hike too. I am on several sites. I really do not understand your antagonism. I provided information. Do not slay the messenger. I am all for reasoned debate. There are plenty on every site with differing opinions and that is good.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked-faster-core-intels-i7-6950x/
obviously wccftech/take with grain of salt
obviously wccftech/take with grain of salt
Ok, tell me why WhyCry, tweaktown, seem to getting similiar (not same reasoning) but similar end results as what Canardpc was saying on twitter? You think they all have the same source?
That is the problem, your so call industry stalwarts, are going up against others that are also in the industry giving the information to three other random people.
All of those random people have different connections.
All giving something similar at the end. Clocking is going to be a problem for Ryzen.
Everything is still rumor but when ya have three independent people having independent "sources" this close to lauch looks to me something is up or in this case down.
Don't really care for semiaccurate and its forum, there is a reason why its called semiaccurate, its not even semi
and your industry stalwarts, can suck my left nut I'm not shooting the messenger, I'm shooting down semiaccurate and its forum and the people that aggregate there, for one specific reason, its easy to see the reason when you read a few of their posts.
The people that you mentioned are the same people that don't know jack about what they post about, please look at their explanations of asynchronous compute if you don't understand what I'm talking about! They don't even know the proper terminology and how it functions yet they post about it as if they know something, they are stalwarts in your eyes? Well its enough to give me pink eye. How about their talks about Polaris? Check those out too....
Your industry stalwarts get their information from Adorned (although Adorned seems to be getting better), and a few others lol, those are the people that you want to listen to! Go figure!
ironically Dresdenboy retweeted that very tweet!
You don't even read his stuff do you?
So you came here and told everyone that was BS and your so called stalwart knows better, but he actually believes in what you stated was crap!
Where are these guys getting their info from again?
This is semiaccurate for you, maybe you are the problem then, cause at this point you are no longer the messenger
. Just making shit up to fit your fancy.
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Sorry ment Kaby lake! you are correct. Skylake was not a process thing. Intel refined their architecture for a little bit more IPC and clock speed in Skylake, Kaby its only clocks due to process modification.
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Razor since when did you take rumors as facts? Your arguing over hardware you have not seen in action and the clock speeds we will get. Got news for ya buddy, no one knows yet where final silicon will clock to. Between you and Shintai you remind me of the days when the Athlon was about to come out and how all the naysayers told us it would not compete with mighty Intel. Then it came out and people were scrambling to find synthetic benchmarks where Intel actually won. If the dang chip from AMD is within 10% of a Intel chip then AMD has come up with a big winner especially if the prices hold true as well. Based on Intel reaction I think there is some truth to this chip being within that 10% window. Now where it clock up to will be a deciding factor for some of the enthusiast crowd, but were a tiny market segment. We have less then 30 days to find out the truth.
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Final silicon is here bro and i bet you few bucks mobo makers pet OCers are on it already.
Is it winning when you do not actually win? In the end i do plan a Ryzen upgrade from my i5-6400 because no fucking way it will be slower in single thread department but let's call spade a spade: it does not push tech anywhere ahead and if Intel are actually stuck and not just slacking off... yup.
It is most definitely there in per clock department. The overclocks are the big open question with little leaks to suggest of what they will outside of cryptic comment from Stilt on Zen never getting actually power hungry and that 3dmark leak having a precisely 4Ghz OC set.
I have no proof, but I believe Ryzen IPC is slightly better than Haswell. To me that is more than good enough for all games and its cache and branch prediction make its SMT superior to Intel in most multithreaded apps.
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????
Maybe wrong on that. But the cache L3 is twice Intels and all the thread heavy benchmarks seem to validate that AMD is spot on in it's smt implementation. I really should not post at 2 am in morning. My late night posts are not my best.
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L3 per CCX is the same as mainstream Core i7, less than HEDT Core i7. L2 is twice large, yes.
But nowhere near
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Now "Silly Season™" is in full effect.
I guess it's time to bookmark posts for after launch...and take a break until after launch.
I predict some posters will "dissapear" after facts replace rumours...and some will just ignore reality as always.
See you on the other side ^^
I guess it's time to bookmark posts for after launch...and take a break until after launch.
I predict some posters will "dissapear" after facts replace rumours...and some will just ignore reality as always.
See you on the other side ^^
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Oh yeah, my birthday party of laughing in Zen review comments about people throwing tantrums on Zen not being the fastest CPU around is going to be fun.
I concede I overstated my conclusions. I am not at my best this late at night as I said before. Just took my carvedilol an hour ago. It impairs short term memory. Plus I am sleep deprived. I don't want to make a fool of myself. No more late night posts. The other aspect of cache improvement was in the logic. They improved cache algorithms.
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I respect someone able to admit a mistake online. No shame in that.
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Woomp... there it is?
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Its not news, was posted by VGZ some days ago. But be careful of inflated numbers and reality. Specially those that can sit in a larger cache.
Example where 512KB inflates over 256KB: The INT and FP benches are just that with ~240KB working set.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_test_info.html
There is also a few more numbers:
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I am wary of most 'leaks' for now but cautiously optimistic.
The PCGamer one, we have no context for those charts as they are not their own tests but from other source.
But even if real, as I say we do not know the context-details.
And again using the A320M, seems to be same guy with the dodgy memory timings from before.
Why the F$% he does not use a B350 is a mystery to me for reasons I explained in the past, the A320 is meant it seems more for Raven Ridge and maybe the lowest Ryzen models, and who knows what issues/compatibility he may be running into, simplest being does this entry cheap budget MB fully support 95W+ CPUs with decent number of phases/VRM.
Anyway just to repeat I am cautiously optimistic for Ryzen 8C.
The prices for the B350 is cheap anyway due to the price range it is at.
Cheers
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Another point about that build.
Some mention it being an OEM build (putting aside my point that A320 seems to be more aligned with Raven Ridge OEM builds) and that the guy is an OEM builder doing cheap solution (that is a contradiction as for some reason he also went with a 1700X) hence also the poor memory timings.
Then WTF is he also doing putting a Nvidia GTX1080 into that system?
To me it is a compromised min/max build possibly done as an experiment.
Also as a cheap OEM basic workstation; would they mostly want an APU without the headache and costs of a dGPU or go for a more complex setup (also from support purposes) and higher cost including a dGPU.
If they are going to spend the cash on the dGPU+CPU route this is a bit more than a basic OEM workstation especially if with 6C or 8C, they would also use the mainstream tier motherboards (B350) and reasonable timing memory.
Just my take and experience.
So cautiously optimistic for the 8C Ryzen taking all that into consideration.
Cheers
Some mention it being an OEM build (putting aside my point that A320 seems to be more aligned with Raven Ridge OEM builds) and that the guy is an OEM builder doing cheap solution (that is a contradiction as for some reason he also went with a 1700X) hence also the poor memory timings.
Then WTF is he also doing putting a Nvidia GTX1080 into that system?
To me it is a compromised min/max build possibly done as an experiment.
Also as a cheap OEM basic workstation; would they mostly want an APU without the headache and costs of a dGPU or go for a more complex setup (also from support purposes) and higher cost including a dGPU.
If they are going to spend the cash on the dGPU+CPU route this is a bit more than a basic OEM workstation especially if with 6C or 8C, they would also use the mainstream tier motherboards (B350) and reasonable timing memory.
Just my take and experience.
So cautiously optimistic for the 8C Ryzen taking all that into consideration.
Cheers
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Never stated it as fact what I did say is you have 3 now 4 people that get insider info saying the same thing and its close to launch. I think what you will end up with is what I have been saying all along, IPC a bit lower than Haswell/broadwell. Performance 8 core vs 6 core Intel but because of clock speed deficiencies. Seems to me anything that needs heavy multi-threading (specific test) Ryzen has an advantage and its quite a bit better than Intel at least from the leaks.
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It is not a contradiction since for all intents and purposes it is probably not a 1700X., but a qualification sample, as name ZD340... hints us.
Why not? gtx1080 sells to a layman, as does 8 core marker, good memory timings do not. Plus, if it is really just a testing of sampled Zen CPU, then it makes sense to put basic components you want to use and just whatever video card you have nearby, especially if there's a chance you'll offer it.
Once again, to whom will you sell that? A layman, as we both know, generally has no concept of memory latency or overclocks. He, however, does seem to have concept of many cores and dGPU.
With that said, better memory latency should definitely improve results, so being cautiously optimistic is only reasonable for now.
Is it?
Performance just a bit lower than Intel, will be a dud marketshare wise, Intel will drop prices to stay in the same price range as AMD, what will help AMD in the PC market place for people that haven't upgraded to at least Ivy Bridge yet is the motherboard pricing, but its probably going to come down people that are using more than 4 cores, so that is specific to professionals that are still using AMD products or not using Intel X series of motherboards cause of the additional cost.
Lets not get into Server and HPC markets, cause cost there for the CPU is negligible.
But margins will go up, and a small uptake in the PC segment is what we will see. And this is why AMD stated the coming quarter when Ryzen will be released their profits will remain flat. Its all kinda fitting together.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/
Coffee lake was 2018 on intels slide last year
Eh no way that intel slashes their prices 150%. Way too proud for that.
Yes they will Intel already stated their margins will go down by 13% next quarter lol. Why do you think they think that?
Coffee Lake was end of 2017 beginning of 2018, that hasn't changed for higher performance versions, lower performance were scheduled to come out earlier.
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8th gen starts with ultrabook CPUs, coffee lake was never intended for these, the first are a kaby lake refresh according to roadmap.
Your arguing semantics it is a qualification sample that IS a 1700X, you agree it is an 8C/16 ?
And previous info gave the CPU serial/part as a 1700X.
Why not?
Well you argue this is a budget OEM and yet is using an 8C CPU with an expensive dGPU, this is NOT a budget OEM and should not be using the lowest entry consumer retail motherboard designed primarily for the Raven Ridge nor compomrised memory.
On memory, it comes back to my point that he is deliberately min/maxing and making a compromised build that has no place either as a budget-basic or more specialised OEM workstation.
Yeah one can only be cautiously optimistic because this a compromised min/max setup, this does not fit with my own enterprise experience of both basic and more specialised OEM setups.
Cheers
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In that case why arent they slashing already? Making ryzen hype train irrelevant. 6900k still expensive as ever.
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I agree that it is identical to 1700X. The point is that it will probably not go in actual final build.
I argue that it is OEM that cuts costs on base components, not a budget OEM. I mean, heck, https://www.boostboxx.com/ look at their variants and call them "budget".
It is not really a min/max, it is actually fairly common to get a quality CPU/quality GPU and then cheapest RAM and mobo you can find that will work, even in some custom builds.
Fair enough.
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Intel will cut prices some but they will not match AMD prices. At the most Intel might cut prices by 25%, heck even during netburst days they refused to cut prices.
Cause Ryzen isn't released yet, no need to do it yet.
Gideon, Intel system prices from OEM's were considerable less, discounts and coupons were abundant through Dell at the time, talking about 50% to 60% coupons for extreme systems in that time, this was most likely due to the kickbacks of course.
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I agree that it is identical to 1700X. The purpose is that of QS.
I argue that it is OEM that cuts costs, not a budget OEM. I mean, heck, https://www.boostboxx.com/ look at their variants and call them "budget".
It is not really a min/max, it is actually fairly common to get a quality CPU/quality GPU and then cheapest RAM and mobo you can find that will work, even in some custom builds.
Fair enough.