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For those who enjoy speculating (especially if you are like me and have been waiting an eternity to upgrade from a 6800GT....damn you nvidia!!)

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6786&Itemid=1

Looks that GT200 is also going to be ready for late Q2 launch. We only have some limited data, but the chip that we call GT200 is tapped out and the prototypes of the card are already up and running.

The device is known as Nvidia GT200-300 and this naming scheme might implicate that this is something that we've seen listed as D10U-30.

We can only speculate is this a 55 or 65nm or if this card has one or two chips, but we can confirm that this configuration has 1024MB of memory.

The chip, however, is called GT200-300. The shocking part is that both R700 and new GT200 might be launched at roughly the same time, or very close to each other.
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=184115

"Actually Nvidia wanted to talk on 10 April 2008 during a press meeting in Munich only about new initiatives approximately around its Quadro Grafikkarten. Rather casually one confirmed then however still some data approximately around the next GPU generation, which was to follow the G92-Chips.

Jeff Brown stated openly and without asking to have been that the next architecture actually "GT-200". The GPU will consist of approximately one billion transistors, and it was "pure logic, no memory as CPUs," said Nvidia Manager. This enormous effort circuit coincides with previous rumors, according to which the GT-200 about 200 shader units. Previous G80 and G92 GPUs bring a maximum of 128 of the computing engines.

Furthermore, said Brown nor that Nvidia itself in May 2008 closer to the GT-200 express will. Whether an official architecture-intentioned idea, or product confidentiality agreements with selected press representatives, including several vesting period presented, Jeff Brown, however, was still open."
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http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/08/geforce-9800gx2-will-be-eoled-in-three-months/

NVIDIA is preparing two GT200 card, the single GPU 9900GTX and dual GPU 9900GX2. It seems one of the card will not only have a similar performance but also have the same production cost as GeForce 9800GX2, so NVIDIA is going to sentence 9800GX2 to death in June, 2008, according to our sources. It is quite a surprise that even the 8800GS can live longer than the just announced dual PCB GFX card.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6702&Itemid=1

Can it be that Nvidia will bring a real next generation product just a quarter after it released its 9800 series? Well, we don’t have the answer to that particular question, but as we reported here, Nvidia is working on a new GPU codenamed D10U-30. The D10U-30 will feature 1,024MB of GDDR3 memory and we learned that there will be one more SKU below it.

The second one is codenamed D10U-20 and it will have 896MB of memory, again of the GDDR3 flavor. This new card indicates that Nvidia can play with the memory configuration and that the new chip might support more than the regular 256-bit memory interface.

This one might support 384-bit or some other memory configurations, but we still don’t have enough details about it. It looks like Nvidia doesn’t feel that going for GDDR4 is necessary and it looks like the company will rather jump directly from GDDR3 to GDDR5.
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defiant007 said:
For those who enjoy speculating (especially if you are like me and have been waiting an eternity to upgrade from a 6800GT....damn you nvidia!!)
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you're waiting to upgrade your 6800GT? dude just go buy an 8800GTX or 9800GTX and be happy.
 
The 8800GT was a good card until the next true high-end, not the rehashes we've been having lately.

Glad I bought it when I did (at launch). :)
 
yeah, no reason not to buy a sub $200 8800GTS or GT. No reason. They blast through every game, worth playing, with +60fps up to 1920x1200. Wtf r u waiting for, Christmas?
 
6800gt? you're 2.5 generations behind. (.25 for 79/9 series each) go buy a cheap g92 card and be happy.
 
defiant007 said:
For those who enjoy speculating (especially if you are like me and have been waiting an eternity to upgrade from a 6800GT....damn you nvidia!!)
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That's sad, the 78xx cards would have been a good upgrade and then to the 88xx series. (the 79xx just didn't impress me except the 7900 GTX maybe).
 
Nicksterr said:
6800gt? you're 2.5 generations behind. (.25 for 79/9 series each) go buy a cheap g92 card and be happy.
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Quite frankly I am not keen to throw away money when Nvidia is releasing their new architecture in 2 months. I would have been more than happy to upgrade to a 9800GTX if nvidia had released it 6 months after the 8800GTX instead of 1.5 years later!?!

I like to get the most of the rigs that I build, my current one lasted 4 years (P4C 3.2 GHZ, 1 gig DDR400) and would like to build a new top of the line machine which will last another 3 -4 years.
 
defiant007 said:
Quite frankly I am not keen to throw away money when Nvidia is releasing their new architecture in 2 months. I would have been more than happy to upgrade to a 9800GTX if nvidia had released it 6 months after the 8800GTX instead of 1.5 years later!?!

I like to get the most of the rigs that I build, my current one lasted 4 years (P4C 3.2 GHZ, 1 gig DDR400) and would like to build a new top of the line machine which will last another 3 -4 years.
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Well you're gambling quite a bit with that gameplan. I personally buy what I need at the time + a bit of future proof. I upgrade to new products as time goes buy and they mature, as long as the prices are reasonable. I've found the buy extreme now and hope it lasts tactic doesn't work too well in today's market. Different strokes.
 
E7130 said:
That's sad, the 78xx cards would have been a good upgrade and then to the 88xx series. (the 79xx just didn't impress me except the 7900 GTX maybe).
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the 7900 gs was a nice card, very cheap and usually ocable to gtx levels.
 
Your fine, anyone saying buy a 88xx or 98xx right now borderline insane. When the new chips come out, prices will go down, so even if you want a 88xx or 98xx its better to buy then. And if the performance is significant then you didn't waste your money. Whats wrong with you people, just because your happy with it, maybe op won't be, there will be new games and if this thing is as fast as the early impressions, once games go the crysis route, aka rape your 88xx or 98xx op will be happy he got the other one. Regardless its to close, wait and see, you'll save money and possibly get something much faster. Also whats wrong with a 6800GT its still a great card, runs HL2, fine. Seriously some people here either have to much money to burn, or are so $#^#^ that need to have the latest and greatest all the time, like a spoiled little kid.
 
pc1x1 said:
Your fine, anyone saying buy a 88xx or 98xx right now borderline insane. When the new chips come out, prices will go down, so even if you want a 88xx or 98xx its better to buy then. And if the performance is significant then you didn't waste your money. Whats wrong with you people, just because your happy with it, maybe op won't be, there will be new games and if this thing is as fast as the early impressions, once games go the crysis route, aka rape your 88xx or 98xx op will be happy he got the other one. Regardless its to close, wait and see, you'll save money and possibly get something much faster. Also whats wrong with a 6800GT its still a great card, runs HL2, fine. Seriously some people here either have to much money to burn, or are so $#^#^ that need to have the latest and greatest all the time, like a spoiled little kid.
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Not everyone wants to play 4 year old games like Half Life 2. 6800 GT is pathetically weak for any moderately graphically intense game released recently. My 7800 GTX was annoying the shit out of me, and a 6800GT is significantly slower. Sorry but a 6800GT is not "still a great card" by any definition. A 9600GT is several times faster and is extremely affordable, hardly for "spoiled little kids".
 
defiant007 said:
Quite frankly I am not keen to throw away money when Nvidia is releasing their new architecture in 2 months. I would have been more than happy to upgrade to a 9800GTX if nvidia had released it 6 months after the 8800GTX instead of 1.5 years later!?!

I like to get the most of the rigs that I build, my current one lasted 4 years (P4C 3.2 GHZ, 1 gig DDR400) and would like to build a new top of the line machine which will last another 3 -4 years.
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I am in the same boat. waiting for the new items to come through and to get what I want in a system (read spend money) . and I am running a 6800 as well. what I am thinking of doing is a half way stop, 9600gt card. can get one for 130 so it isn't much of an investment. it would still put me miles ahead and not throw money away
 
Valset said:
I am in the same boat. waiting for the new items to come through and to get what I want in a system (read spend money) . and I am running a 6800 as well. what I am thinking of doing is a half way stop, 9600gt card. can get one for 130 so it isn't much of an investment. it would still put me miles ahead and not throw money away
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If you ask me, whats really throwing away money is buying a new generation as soon as its out. Better to get the refreshes that are a bit more mature. (Like the 9600GT you mentioned.) I got burned on my 7800GTX because not long after I got it, there was the 7900 refresh.
 
pc1x1 said:
Your fine, anyone saying buy a 88xx or 98xx right now borderline insane. When the new chips come out, prices will go down, so even if you want a 88xx or 98xx its better to buy then.
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Theres no guarantee prices will drop apon release of the new cards at least not in the immediate future. The current cards such as the 8800gt's, gts and even really the 9800gtx are all pretty mid range cards in terms of price comparred to what the 8800GTX was cost wise at launch. It's entirely possibly if not likely that the new cards will launch above these cards in price and be more in the region of the GX2 (as this article also guesses). If they aim this card at the high end market and price bracket it's possible you won't see a large drop in prices of the other cards yet with the possible exception of the GX2.

I think it largely depends what market the new cards are aimed at. Given the age of the 8800GTX and the relative little gain for those owners going to the 9800gtx, I'll put my money on NVidia trying to hit the upper market with this release and thus the card won't be in the price bracket of the other cards and may not give incentive to lower their prices immediatly.

That and NVidia has had a bit of a habbit of slipping releases. A "high end" card was due the end of last year and the 9800GTX slipped a bit too (was due mid march I believe but arrived 1st April) so who knows how long you really could be waiting for these cards.
 
The games I play work ok on my 6800GT, but I have an excuse for not upgrading... I'm using an AGP socket 939 mobo that works just fine and I'm hesitant to tear apart a system that works great and has "enough" performance for the games I play.

That said, I primarily play a WWII online flight simulator that favors realism over eye candy. I played through Portal and it looked really nice on the 6800GT. I suppose it would have been nicer on a newer card, but I got great framerates at 1280x1024 with 2xFSAA, so it's tough to find the impetus to tear it all apart and start over.

I think after the next round of releases, I'll probably at the very least find a better socket 939 mobo with pci-e so I can get a nice vid card without having to buy a new cpu as well. I'd sure like to be able to use the newer vid cards without having to buy enough components to refresh my entire system.
 
I'd suggest waiting until the year 2020 to upgrade. That way you know you're getting your money's worth.
 
Kowan said:
I'd suggest waiting until the year 2020 to upgrade. That way you know you're getting your money's worth.
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Funny :)

I usually incrementally upgrade parts every year, then do a total system refresh at around 3-4 years. I unfortunately bought into the utter load of BS that AMD sold us regarding socket 939. I ended up with a nice nforce3 mobo with AGP that was a total upgrade dead-end. Not being willing to completely trash the system and start over, I've made do with buying the A64-X2 4400, got 2 gig of ram when it got cheap, and finally bought a nice SATA hard drive. But the 6800GT went un-upgraded. I tried a 7xxx series AGP card but the machine wouldn't even boot and I didn't have time to troubleshoot so I just returned it.

It's nearly time for a system refresh, but I figure I can get another solid year out of the system with a mobo swap (socket 939 mobos are pretty cheap) and a new vid card.
 
NKDietrich said:
If you ask me, whats really throwing away money is buying a new generation as soon as its out. Better to get the refreshes that are a bit more mature. (Like the 9600GT you mentioned.) I got burned on my 7800GTX because not long after I got it, there was the 7900 refresh.
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Yeah, all those fools who bought the 8800GTX straight off the bat...what a waste of money. Who the hell wants a top of the line card to last nearly 2 years, they would have been much better off waiting 1.5 years and getting the 9800GTX which is being replaced in 2 months time. :p

Not buying the 8800GTX when it first came out and waiting for a refresh was the worst mistake I made. :(

Not going to do that again, of course I will see what ATI has to offer but I am not holding much hope for them on the next generation
 
Kowan said:
I'd suggest waiting until the year 2020 to upgrade. That way you know you're getting your money's worth.
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Oh yeah, and dont forget to get it after September. That way if there is a new card during the X'mas season of 2020, then if you also buy and EVGA, you'll be covered by the step-up.

:p Sorry flenser, I totally understand your POV. It is just funny thats all.
 
SpeedyVV said:
Oh yeah, and dont forget to get it after September. That way if there is a new card during the X'mas season of 2020, then if you also buy and EVGA, you'll be covered by the step-up.

:p Sorry flenser, I totally understand your POV. It is just funny thats all.
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Yea, I agree. I'd be laughing too if I wasn't still so irritated at having put down the extra money to go with a premium socket 939 mobo just a bit too early. If I'd waited even 3 months, I'd have gone with nforce4 and at least been able to use a reasonably modern vid card. If I'd saved some money and gone socket 754, I would have had a lot less invested in the system and would have gone core 2 duo by now.

Although at the time it was a very nice and modern system, it was the perfect storm of non-upgradability helped along by AMD deciding that socket 939 would be abandoned long before the actual technology was out of date. There was no technical reason why they couldn't keep boosting socket 939 clock speeds up to where we see AM2 speeds, but they had to give people SOME reason to go AM2. I'm still laughing my butt off about the whole scheme backfiring when it turned out that intel was so much faster, AM2 was effectively obsolete the day it was released. Funny, I'm sure AMD is laughing too :)
 
flenser said:
Yea, I agree. I'd be laughing too if I wasn't still so irritated at having put down the extra money to go with a premium socket 939 mobo just a bit too early. If I'd waited even 3 months, I'd have gone with nforce4 and at least been able to use a reasonably modern vid card. If I'd saved some money and gone socket 754, I would have had a lot less invested in the system and would have gone core 2 duo by now.

Although at the time it was a very nice and modern system, it was the perfect storm of non-upgradability helped along by AMD deciding that socket 939 would be abandoned long before the actual technology was out of date. There was no technical reason why they couldn't keep boosting socket 939 clock speeds up to where we see AM2 speeds, but they had to give people SOME reason to go AM2. I'm still laughing my butt off about the whole scheme backfiring when it turned out that intel was so much faster, AM2 was effectively obsolete the day it was released. Funny, I'm sure AMD is laughing too :)
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WTF? AMD was late moving to ddr2, which requires a socket change since AMD uses an integrated memory controller. Also the clock speeds for 939 processors and am2 ones are very similar. There was no "scheme" asshat.
 
^ Now now, kids, lets not bicker. If hes happy with his 6800 whats the issue? I had a 6600gt up until earlier this year (upgraded to 8800gt) and I was running HL2/CS:S maxed out fine. Some people don't play the latest games, so why spend the money on something that isn't necessarily going to benefit them?
 
zmjone2992 said:
Also the clock speeds for 939 processors and am2 ones are very similar. There was no "scheme" asshat.
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I haven't seen any 5000+, 5200+, 5600+, 6000+ 939 chips around. If you know of one, let me know so I can do an upgrade.

And the insult was completely unnecessary.
 
With that many transistors it's going to be expensive as hell to produce due to silicon size and yields. So we won't be seeing anything new in affordable price range from Nvidia any time soon to replace 8800gt.
 
Their won´t e any 9900Gx2, only 9900GTX that replace 9800Gx2 and are as fast but as powerhungry, 9900GT is replacing 9800GTX and are as fast.
If this is true i "step up" my Gx2 to a 9900GTX and buy another one since "step up"t last 120 days on the Gx2.
Some say this cards uses the GT200-core and other call is simply G92b.

This part i like:
"The shocking part is that both R700 and new GT200 might be launched at roughly the same time, or very close to each other."
I don´t agree and this only proves that NV has been ready with GT200 a while and waiting for R700 before release and therfore release tri-sli 8800GTS 512 aka 9800GTX and the only real upgradecard in this round 9800Gx2.
 
what's really funny is all you guys arguing over whether or not upgrading a 6k series to a 8 or 9k series is a huge upgrade.


i'm still running on an ati 9600 pro!!!! :D
 
DonInKansas said:
I haven't seen any 5000+, 5200+, 5600+, 6000+ 939 chips around. If you know of one, let me know so I can do an upgrade.

And the insult was completely unnecessary.
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DoInKansas, insult was not intended at all. All in good fun.

If it was insulting, I apologize.
 
Smigit said:
Theres no guarantee prices will drop apon release of the new cards at least not in the immediate future. The current cards such as the 8800gt's, gts and even really the 9800gtx are all pretty mid range cards in terms of price comparred to what the 8800GTX was cost wise at launch. It's entirely possibly if not likely that the new cards will launch above these cards in price and be more in the region of the GX2 (as this article also guesses). If they aim this card at the high end market and price bracket it's possible you won't see a large drop in prices of the other cards yet with the possible exception of the GX2.

I think it largely depends what market the new cards are aimed at. Given the age of the 8800GTX and the relative little gain for those owners going to the 9800gtx, I'll put my money on NVidia trying to hit the upper market with this release and thus the card won't be in the price bracket of the other cards and may not give incentive to lower their prices immediatly.

That and NVidia has had a bit of a habbit of slipping releases. A "high end" card was due the end of last year and the 9800GTX slipped a bit too (was due mid march I believe but arrived 1st April) so who knows how long you really could be waiting for these cards.
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Remember that 55nm 9800GT/GTS cards are supposed to be just around the bend as well. Those cards will shove down the prices of the 9600GT, 8800GT, and 8800GTS. I'm also thinking that the 9900's will shove down the prices of the 9800GX2 and 9800GTX, though I'm thinking interest in the 9800GX2 will dwindle with the advent of the 9900's.
 
TerranUp16 said:
Remember that 55nm 9800GT/GTS cards are supposed to be just around the bend as well. Those cards will shove down the prices of the 9600GT, 8800GT, and 8800GTS. I'm also thinking that the 9900's will shove down the prices of the 9800GX2 and 9800GTX, though I'm thinking interest in the 9800GX2 will dwindle with the advent of the 9900's.
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8800GTS will be EOL since 9800GTX is out and are the same thing+tri-sli and acctually replace it also besides 8800GTX but are a downgrade for the last one.
 
E.R said:
If this is true i "step up" my Gx2 to a 9900GTX and buy another one since "step up"t last 120 days on the Gx2.
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I don't think that's the case. I believe EVGA extended their "step up" program to 120 days for people who owned previous EVGA cards and wanted to "step up" to the 9800GX2. Unless they make that same announcement when they release their 9900GX2 card(s), I would presume that the "step up" program for people who purchased a 9800GX2 card is still just 90 days. If the rumors are true and a 9900GX2 materializes in June/July, that would be right after the 90 day "step up" period ends for those people who have recently purchased a 9800GX2. Will EVGA extend the "step up" period again? Who knows. If not, I'm sure there will be some pretty unhappy people who paid $550 - $625 for a three month old card that's now been discontinued. This was also the case when NV launched the 7800GTX 512MB cards (which were selling for $650 - $700) only to replace them with the 7900GTX three short months later.
 
bmt22033 said:
Will EVGA extend the "step up" period again? Who knows. If not, I'm sure there will be some pretty unhappy people who paid $550 - $625 for a three month old card that's now been discontinued. This was also the case when NV launched the 7800GTX 512MB cards (which were selling for $650 - $700) only to replace them with the 7900GTX three short months later.
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Nvidia seems to have performed like this several times in the past and this year isn't any different. The big exception was the 8800GTX with performance levels that defined a paradigm shift in the industry. Its success was aided immensely by the lack of competition, and a quick model turnover was not required to keep sales at appreciable levels. In a year with tighter competition, NVidia releases a dizzying array of products at a fairly brisk pace. It's hard to keep up with the Joneses, especially when they're always buying NVidia products. ;)
 
bmt22033 said:
I don't think that's the case. I believe EVGA extended their "step up" program to 120 days for people who owned previous EVGA cards and wanted to "step up" to the 9800GX2. Unless they make that same announcement when they release their 9900GX2 card(s), I would presume that the "step up" program for people who purchased a 9800GX2 card is still just 90 days. If the rumors are true and a 9900GX2 materializes in June/July, that would be right after the 90 day "step up" period ends for those people who have recently purchased a 9800GX2. Will EVGA extend the "step up" period again? Who knows. If not, I'm sure there will be some pretty unhappy people who paid $550 - $625 for a three month old card that's now been discontinued. This was also the case when NV launched the 7800GTX 512MB cards (which were selling for $650 - $700) only to replace them with the 7900GTX three short months later.
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No for Gx2 it is 120 days, confirmed by EVGa at EVGa own forum, call it their way of promoting Gx2. Me too thougth it only was one way for the buyers that wanted the 9800Gx2 but got the answer and explonation from two diffrent sources with no connection to eachother.

Their will not be any 9900Gx2 since that was a missprint by en.express.com and 9900GTX are said to be as fast as 9800Gx2 to replace that in june/july and 9900GT as fast as 9800GTX and replace that so no real upgrade either in 9900TX for 9800Gx2 owners if you not like me prefer single GPU so you can SLi them for better scaling than quad Sli with current driver. This puts me closer to 790i when i get a "free" 9900GTX that has the same power as my current 9800Gx2 and for a small buck can get another.
So no one should be unhappy for 9900GTX that is on pair with stock Gx2 and no upgrade for most people with the execption i just gave and the 9900GTX is said to draw as mutch power as the Gx2.
The unhappy ones can just OC their card with rivatuner so it breaks and they probably get a new 9900GTX on warranty since it is on the same performacelevel. That is simular what happens to me when my old 6800GT AGP got broke and was replaced by a 7800GS AGP since 6800GT was no where to be found anymore for that brand. Best card deal i ever made since i got more out of the brand new unopened 7800GS than i payed for the 6800GT.
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http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/31/gt200-to-become-9900gtx-and-9900gx2-launch-date-set-to-july/
"Update: According to sources, 9900GX2 do not exist. We are sorry for the mistakes."
 
flenser said:
The games I play work ok on my 6800GT, but I have an excuse for not upgrading... I'm using an AGP socket 939 mobo that works just fine and I'm hesitant to tear apart a system that works great and has "enough" performance for the games I play.

That said, I primarily play a WWII online flight simulator that favors realism over eye candy. I played through Portal and it looked really nice on the 6800GT. I suppose it would have been nicer on a newer card, but I got great framerates at 1280x1024 with 2xFSAA, so it's tough to find the impetus to tear it all apart and start over.

I think after the next round of releases, I'll probably at the very least find a better socket 939 mobo with pci-e so I can get a nice vid card without having to buy a new cpu as well. I'd sure like to be able to use the newer vid cards without having to buy enough components to refresh my entire system.
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don't bother unless you happen to have a good dual core CPU. 939 is dead. I figured that I could buy a AM2 motherboard with dual core cheaper then a new 939. just replace both. If you do have a good dual core then all kinds of cheap MB. if you don't want to do that you can upgrade your video card AGP. you will however pay a higher cost to performance ratio, for instance you can get a Radeon HD 3850 for about 160 on new egg
 
NKDietrich said:
Not everyone wants to play 4 year old games like Half Life 2. 6800 GT is pathetically weak for any moderately graphically intense game released recently. My 7800 GTX was annoying the shit out of me, and a 6800GT is significantly slower. Sorry but a 6800GT is not "still a great card" by any definition. A 9600GT is several times faster and is extremely affordable, hardly for "spoiled little kids".
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Prices are so low I doubt they'll go down much. Those cards will probably get phased out. It's great value to get a 8800GT/GTS.
 
In terms of all of this discussion of the 9900GTX being equivalent to the 9800GX2 but with a single core... what are these statements based on? Are they based on just looking at the leaked specs and comparing those to the 9800GX2's? If they are, from the leaked specs I've seen the 9900GTX looks like it will have pretty much the same amount of stream processors, clocked higher (both core and memory), with a memory bus twice as large and twice as much usable memory- that should , theoretically, outstrip the 9800GX2 should such specs hold true. And, of course, all of this is assuming that nVidia is indeed keeping this a 65nm card.
 
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