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Kinect causing RRoD?

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LazerWire

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12121999

I have a 360 Elite, purchased Dec of 07.

We use it moderately every week for games and movies/music over Live. Never any issues. Recieved the Kinect for Christmas, and got our first RRoD on New Years Eve, it lasted about 5 minutes and was fine. Then last Sunday, it RRoDed for good...

Fortunately MS says we are covered until March, so it is currently off for waranty repair.

Anyone else had an issue?
 
Late 07 Elite would likely be a Falcon or Zypher revision. So the GPU was still prone to RROD. Mid 2008 is when the Jasper units started filtering into the Arcade SKU (later for Elites), and Jasper is effectively RROD-proof. Same with Vahalla (the new xbox360 S untits).
 
Ah, I wondered when the Elites were upgraded, thanx for the info.

As a side note.. those who have had repairs, do the repairs entail a GPU upgrade? or can I expect another RRoD in my future?
 
the jasper itself is not immune to RROD. there are plenty of units out there that have had the issue. it stems from multiple causes. many of which center around the GPU/Hana/Xclamp.

The new slims bring everything on one die with updated HSF (still xclamped tho :( ) and are your best chance to fend off RROD. All 360's are prone it's just a matter of when.

i'm willing to bet a reason is because of the additional power draw through the unit when using kinect. the older units had a very slim margin for error in this department with regards to their PSU's
 
fubar569 said:
the jasper itself is not immune to RROD. there are plenty of units out there that have had the issue. it stems from multiple causes. many of which center around the GPU/Hana/Xclamp.

The new slims bring everything on one die with updated HSF (still xclamped tho :( ) and are your best chance to fend off RROD. All 360's are prone it's just a matter of when.

i'm willing to bet a reason is because of the additional power draw through the unit when using kinect. the older units had a very slim margin for error in this department with regards to their PSU's
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While it's not immune, it's definately a lot less likely. The underfill solder choice was also changed, removing yet another avenue for RROD to occur. As for Kinect, older units don't draw power via the USB port, they have an external adaptor that comes with the kinect. And the kinect cannot (physically) plug into the xbox360 fats without it. It has an unusual head that only works with the xbox360 S or the kinect power adaptor (that has a normal USB adaptor on it). :)
 
BBC story is ridiculous. There were a total of three RRoD reports in that thread. Compare that to some of the threads you see when a major new game is released where 10s of people say that X game killed their 360.

It should come as no shock to anyone that actually using the older 360s (especially all of a sudden, and for a long period of time) has a habit of killing them. They're made out of bubblegum and wishes.
 
I had always though that I was pretty lucky not having had the RRoD prior to now, and with my Kinect unit using an external power supply, I doubted it would be a power draw issue.

I thought it odd that the BBC story was jumping to such a rapid conclusion, but my own experience made me deide to come here and ask, where I figured a much larger sample of 360/kinect users could be polled.
 
LazerWire said:
I had always though that I was pretty lucky not having had the RRoD prior to now, and with my Kinect unit using an external power supply, I doubted it would be a power draw issue.

I thought it odd that the BBC story was jumping to such a rapid conclusion, but my own experience made me deide to come here and ask, where I figured a much larger sample of 360/kinect users could be polled.
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I'm using my Kinect with my Jasper Arcade. I'm fine after... geting 5 stars on easy on every song in... you know... that .... Dance Central
My old Xenon was deader than dead before this, so I don't know anything about that :p
 
IMHO almost all of the older 360'd will croak as it is a manufacturring defect...some will just last longer than others.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
IMHO almost all of the older 360'd will croak as it is a manufacturring defect...some will just last longer than others.
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This is true. I have gone through 6 Xboxs. It depends on how old it is, how heabily used it is, etc. There are to many variables to RRoD.
 
Kinect isn't causing the RRoD. Excessive use of the 360 after purchasing a Kinect is causing RRoD.

The rumor when Kinect was in development was that it used 10-15% of the CPU alone. Who knows if Microsoft had a standard in place that said only certain amount of code could be offloaded to the GPU. If that has since been lifted, and newer Kinect games are GPU heavy (saving some CPU usage), then I can see it burning up the older gpu's, which are already prone to overheating, thus causing RRoD.
 
bigdogchris said:
Kinect isn't causing the RRoD. Excessive use of the 360 after purchasing a Kinect is causing RRoD.

The rumor when Kinect was in development was that it used 10-15% of the CPU alone. Who knows if Microsoft had a standard in place that said only certain amount of code could be offloaded to the GPU. If that has since been lifted, and newer Kinect games are GPU heavy (saving some CPU usage), then I can see it burning up the older gpu's, which are already prone to overheating, thus causing RRoD.
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Close but Kinect isnt using any more power than a non Kinect game, its just that small space is allocated for software processing and not for the game. You are right that Kinect is not causing RROD.. its simply timing with the purchase and likely using older and more faulty hardware enough to break the socket seating enough to cause uneven heat distribution and cause the 360 to overheat.

Likely has nothing to do with Kinect, only meerly using older hardware more than usual causing the inevitable RROD under those circumstances.
 
If you fart wrong with the old 360's you can get an RROD. Seriously the older 360s are Junk. Ive been through MANY. One of the reason I got rid of it.
 
I have a professional SMD hot-air rework station and have to reflow my personal boxes every few months... It's a PITA, trust me.
 
This thread is so wrong and the reason why I stayed away from the 360 for so long. The fact ppl literally have to perform life saving surgery on them to keep gaming is very sad picture. I still can't fathom how ppl keep buying machine after machine after machine knowing the replacements will die. Fuck that, I wouldn't have that kinda patience, it would have gone after the second chance.
 
Jasper failure rate is =< PS3 failure rate......360 failure rate is pretty much non existant in jasper or newer hardware.......as the chip was redesigned with the proper metal layer..........
 
As it has been pointed out multiple times, the new Xbox 360s appear to be perfectly fine. As far as the Kinect causing the RRoD, I think it's all B.S. This was coming up with nearly every major game release for the first few years of the Xbox's life. I remember numerous threads about how Oblivion caused the RRoD.
 
lol the kid tried to tell me that red dead redemption caused RROD on one of our launch units..... lol I told him get a jasper instead and he did
 
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