Jeff Bezos Announces Philanthropic "Bezos Day One Fund"

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  1. cageymaru

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    Jeff Bezos is an entrepreneur who has dabbled into starting online retail businesses such as Amazon, spaceflight research with Blue Origin and even delivers the daily news with the Washington Post. Now he has decided that he wants to commit to a philanthropic endeavor with the start of a new $2 billion "Bezos Day One Fund" to assist the poor. The fund seeks to help homeless families and create a network of non-profit, tier-one preschools in low-income communities.
    The Day 1 Families Fund will house and feed homeless families as "no child sleeps outside." The Day 1 Academies Fund will launch and operate Montessori-inspired preschools in under-served communities. These schools will be of the highest quality and students will receive full scholarships to attend.

    I'm excited about that because it will give us the opportunity to learn, invent, and improve. We'll use the same set of principles that have driven Amazon. Most important among those will be genuine, intense customer obsession. The child will be the customer. "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." And lighting that fire early is a giant leg up for any child.
     
  2. Kyle_Bennett

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    Maybe he should start with paying his own workers enough so they can get off government assistance?
     
  3. SixFootDuo

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    And everyone killed him on Twitter. It was brutal. But, regardless, some good is coming from his money. Lot of the non-profits he is supporting for the homeless are desperately needed. They live or die by funding and donations.
     
  4. SnowBeast

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    How about this twatsickle help his own employees by giving them 40 hour weeks and healthcare and get nearly 50% of them that are on SNAP/welfare off of it.
     
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    All these business owners got the Bill Gates syndrome years ago(Wanted to be richest man in the world). Problem is, unlike Bill Gates, they don't take care of the people that got them there like Bill did.
     
  6. PenGunn

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    I dunno, he's my favorite obscenely rich guy. ;)
     
  7. Twisted Kidney

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    But Kyle, government assistance to obscenely low wages is the all-American corporate subsidy model.
     
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  8. SixFootDuo

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    I don't take any issue with his wealth but I sure do wish he would get visited by the ghost of Christmas future to see the changes he could make that would give all of his employees the finances to live much better lives. More sick / vacation days. On-site childcare. There is a lot he could do that would make this man very loved and appreciated. We all know he will die with trillions in the bank. Think of all the lives he could change for the better.

    I actually know a few people that have worked at an Amazon warehouse and they both told me it's hard work. You have to maintain so many packages per hour. Lots of walking. Huge time constraints. I personally understand why some of these people have to pee in bottles.

    Don't work your employees like dogs, put some slack into their work day and more money on the paycheck. And yes, we know this will cost you money but, so what ... you have it. Also, if you're late I think 3 times. I was told the computer automatically fires you and the managers have very little say. They basically talk to you, give you warnings after the 2nd time you're late and tell you next time you will be let go. Also something about Doctor's excuses do not necessarily mean you are off the hook. That it's a suggestion / guideline but that if Amazon feels you can still work, you have to work. I don't know. I am careful not to gossip if I don't have first hand knowledge but the people that shared these stories are from personal personal experiences. But you really do have to factor in some level of embellishment. We all stretch the truth when under the stress of negative experiences in our daily life.
     
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  9. SixFootDuo

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    My Mother was disabled for many years with glaucoma, she was legally blind, had diabetes, feet issues, general poor health and she would have died in the streets had it not been for her SSID, Healthcare, Medicare, HUD, etc.

    Makes you really wonder how poorly some of these Amazon people are living.

    There are several good videos on YouTube about these Amazon employees that need food assistance. Most are seasonal workers that are hired thru external companies that contract out with Amazon. Which, Amazon has promised to address. This is where a lot of these numbers are coming from and I am not sure many people are aware of this. It is actually impossible to get any type of Food Assistance if you make over 12K annually. It's $16 a month for an individual and goes up to around $160 something if you have 1 child. If you have 3 or 4 kids it can go up to $500+ a month and that's with working a low paying job.

    So no, people working at Amazon working 32 hours a week making $12 - $15 an hour are not getting food assistance. Unless they have kids.

    There is a lot of truth in what people take issues with, these negative stories but the news is often skewed to grab headlines. Do your own research if you have time.

    With all that said, Mr. Bezo's can def do much better for his own people. I bet all of his executives, front office people, engineering dept, his web / seo, marketing folks are doing very very well.
     
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  10. c3k

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    So...not sure what your circumstances were, but why would you let your mother die in the street? Even in my most desperate times (working three part-time jobs, paying for diapers and formula on credit cards) I still would have taken my mother in. But that's me. Not sure why other people should be forced to pay for other people's family members? Charity? Very cool...and I give. A lot. Coercion? See the 2nd Amendment.
     
  11. tetris42

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    Get special exemptions to not pay taxes.
    Undercut all competition.
    Become richest man in the world.
    Pay your workers poverty wages and work them so hard you keep ambulances parked outside due to regular exhaustion.
    Spend a little over 1% of your wealth on charity.

    SAINT
     
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    *rollseyes at "poverty" wages*

    https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Amazon-Reviews-E6036.htm
     
  13. SixFootDuo

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    I was 17 and she was 4K miles away in Alaska.

    SSID is actually funded by each individual throughout the course of their working years. The other programs are funded via taxes that we all pay. Those programs are there for sick kids, sick adults, the elderly in their final years.

    Charity? No ....

    But, getting back on the subject. Hopefully Amazon eventually pays it's employees much better.
     
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  14. theBrownLlama

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    reason no 1= it's all tax deductible

    reason no 2 = he can't start a church

    reason no 3 = no of tax havens getting smaller every year

    and oh , did you hear he stopped construction of a tower because of a tax law that would had funded all this charity aid?

    what a complete dick
     
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    The words "billionaire" and "philanthropist" should never, ever be used in the same sentence, unless that billionaire is giving away everything to the point where he or she is middle class (and then they wouldn't be billionaires). This goes double for fucksticks like Bezos who don't pay their employees a living wage.
     
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    Stuff like this amazes me. Maybe they should not hire people who need jobs and are trying to get off of welfare, that would solve that right? Rather, they are hiring people who don't have the means or skills to get another better paying job, so these are good stepping stones to get on the right track, people tend to see statics about incomes brackets or people as static, never thinking that these people are often not the same in 6 months, no less a year. Or we can do the GREAT idea that Bernie threw out there, which was to tax companies that had employees on government assistance, you know, so they NEVER get hired on anywhere, so much knee jerk and so little thought of its impact.

    Also, 50% is a 100% made up number, link a source if you are going to claim that. The whole "Amazon employees make so little, they qualify for SNAP" Meme started with PolicyMatters Ohio who released an estimate, "PolicyMatters Ohio arrived at that estimate by finding the number of Ohio food stamp recipients who are part of a household where someone works for Amazon (1,430), then dividing that by 2.02 (the average size of a household on food stamps in Ohio at that time). The resulting estimate is about 700 workers, or 11.8 of Amazon’s Ohio workforce."

    Now, if someone wants to do some real research and follow a specific set of people over their term of employment, great, lets see it. People always talk about the "poor" and "rich", like they are always the same people, which is just not the case. There is actually only a very small subset of people who are generationally poor, and these are almost all by choice, some are down right proud to be on assistance and other people to be paying for them.

    People with any sort of motivation, who don't have drug problems, mental retardation etc etc will be able to get a job like this, and in 6 months to a year have a different better paying job, people like this climb out of poverty in a year or two. It's the "victims" who never get out, because their problems are never their own fault, it's always someone else who should do something about it.
     
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    Because it's cheaper to give money away than to pay people to earn it.
     
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    Well, #1, Amazon is paying workers to leave positive reviews as of late.

    And #2, Their median wages are $28,000 a year. So while that in itself isn't poverty wages, that means half of all its workers earn less than that.

    #3 Last year, 1 in 3 of its workers in Arizona were on food stamps. In Ohio, it ranks #19 for having the most employees on welfare, in Washington, it ranks #17

    But I'm sure some software developers leaving positive reviews on glassdoor as anecdotal evidence is the real picture.
     
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  19. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Because that will cost more than the 2 billion he is offering up, duh
     
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  20. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    And you get a tax break for it. I kid I kid, paying workers is the ultimate write off since its a business expense and lowers the taxible (profit) amount by the full cost of what you paid
     
  21. Krenum

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    "The child will be the customer".

    Yeah, Hitler spoke to the people about "the children" too
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    You can do & get away with any kind of BS you want, as long as people know its for the greater good & for
    "The Children".
     
  22. Wrecked Em

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    Ugh. I hope this doesn't lead to even more homeless clogging up the streets of Seattle. We cater to them so much already, it's become homeless meca here. They flock here from all over the country, and most have zero interest in changing their situation.
     
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  24. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Yeah same thing in San Francisco. I would hope any plan to help homeless families would be to assist in relocating to an area they can actually afford to live, because yeah you might make sure kids wont go hungry but tomorrow rent of a two bedroom apartment still starts at 2500/month here, where as elsewhere it might be one third that or even less and they will still be homeless.
     
  25. Sineira

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    He should pay his workers better and pay proper taxes. Ashole.
     
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    That's crazy if they have a system that auto fires people for being late 3 times, if true. What if someone forgets to clock in, human's make mistakes sometimes, lol...
     
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    That's not how you CEO.
     
  28. [21CW]killerofall

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    Like fuck he couldn't. John Oliver did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Perpetual_Exemption
    http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com/

    Easy fix for the homeless, just give them the huge Amazon boxes to live in.
     
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    That pretty good. But, even better. Let them live and work in huge Amazon warehouses. Unemployment & Homelessness. Two problems, one solution.
     
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    He should but in bathrooms in the warehouses.
     
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    Turnstile that uses a RFID badge for getting in and clocking it at once, we use them where I work and most industrial plants use them as well. If you didn't clock in, you are not at work, as you physically can't get inside without clocking in.
     
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  32. TheMadHatterXxX

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    You call it charity, he calls it tax write-offs. ;)
     
  33. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Housing of free labor, wow such a brilliant idea! I wish we've done this before :D
     
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    He stopped construction because of the job "head tax" the Seattle City Council was looking at passing. It was $540 per employee for all businesses grossing $20 million a year or more that would shift to a 0.7% payroll tax after a couple years. Amazon was already shopping other cities for a new headquarters, and the tax was based on gross income, not profit. That tax would have hurt way more businesses than just Amazon. The city council passed a $275 per employee tax instead of the $540 and then repealed the entire thing after pressure from voters and business owners.

    Did you also know that the tower was already scheduled to have over 47,000 square feet donated to the Mary's Place shelters - a charity they have been deeply involved with since 2010.

    With that being said, they could definitely change employee compensation and working conditions.
     
  35. Archaea

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    I know I know!

    Why don’t you twits donate the full amount of money you saved buying through Amazon throughout the last five years and give it to the day 1 fund! Bezos made money and you saved money!!! What’s the difference?

    We all know we buy through Amazon because they are cheap and reliable and stock everything. What other company does that, yet pays their employees a big fat wage? If you think Amazon is treating their employees badly - put your money where your mouth is and stop buying from them.
     
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    He's a known penny pincher. Perhaps the biggest one. I mean there was even a documentary running on discovery or wherever showcasing how he tries to save every penny even on himself. And amazon was already huge at the time when that aired.

    So if anything he's figured out how he can "invest" into a charity.

    If he really wants to help, perhaps he should distribute profits fairly among his workers. That would not just help his reputation, but the economy as well. I mean a few thousand working class people with actual disposable income is a huge deal. It would help much more directly and indirectly than any charity fund.
     
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  37. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Yeah I remember that, it sounded pure San Francisconian in nature, and the worst thing unlike payroll taxes which help fund things like Social Security and Medicare which many WORKERS use, this tax per head was just to "help out homelessness" which is a fancy way of saying we're going to funnel money into our rich developer friends and shelters because there is no way to actually help homelessness in one of the more expensive cities to live in in the US. Now that I think of it, I think SF also is trying to do something like this. But yeah, bring your companies here, bring jobs, and hey bring tax revenue associated with your business being here, then run them away by trying to over tax, Charles Schwab shifted it's trading out of the city specifically for that reason, sure they still have a corporate HQ here (because why not) but all the business aspect moved out of state.
     
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    the companies came because of undertax
    after they got fat, they can now go shopping around for even better tax arrangements...
    then shift operations after said deal runs out... rinse and repeat

    no way space is just donated to a shelter. Space donated to an office of the estate that runs the shelter = maybe. And that is quite a chunk of tax rebates in monthly rental of 47,000 sqft

    and business are supposed to not only help fund the city but to also take care of it's residents. Instead the entire country has been run for decades on the premise that cities should help Top Management, hence the malaise and decay we see among the vulnerable ( which now includes low-medium income earners) .
     
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    Even mentioned in those articles: In a statement, Amazon said its median pay figure includes people in more than 50 countries and part-time employees.

    So yea, when you take statistics of 500k employees including countries with much lower cost of living, and people who are working part time, you get a very low yearly salary.

    Statistics can be made to show whatever the author wants.

    The better comparison would be looking at yearly salaries of full time employees, broken up by region, and compared to other companies for the same type of position.
     
  40. tetris42

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    That is a fair point, however I would argue with the bad press they're getting over this, they would release their USA median wage if it was significantly better. I doubt it's miles apart, with the USA median wage overall being about 32k.

    Regardless, it still has a signficant number of employees on welfare. Now of course you can compare that to other companies and positions, but if they're ALSO offering wages so low that employees qualify for welfare, that's a problem in and of itself when there simply aren't enough jobs that pay enough to go around.