J.J. Abrams to Write and Direct Star Wars: Episode IX

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  1. Dan_D

    Dan_D [H]ard as it Gets

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    I get where you are coming from. I am willing to wait and see if these issues are addressed in future films. Some series' do not have installments that stand well on their own. I don't consider that a bad thing necessarily, but I would have preferred the film be more cohesive like everyone else.
     
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    Dan_D [H]ard as it Gets

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    I agree about the things that were terrible outside of Starkiller. I didn't have any problem at all with him in the original Force Unleashed game and it's story. The second game was another issue entirely.
     
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    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

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    I loved Rogue One. Sure, there wasn't a lot of character development, but there really shouldn't have been much. It's a single movie where everyone dies.

    Episode 7. I have the common complaints that others have, but I still generally loved it. They played it safe. I'm hoping that it's much different for the next 2.

    I'm good with JJ being the director again. I think he'll do good.

    You wanted a strapping young lad with bulging muscles in a slave Leia outfit? :) That's the least of my issues. A damn green muppet that is 800 years old is a hero in the originals. And a whiny little bitch kid.
     
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  4. BiH115

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    What exactly is the problem with Rey being the protagonist? Please entertain us.
     
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    Yeah, about that.....

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    Rey being the protagonist was the least of that film's problems. I enjoyed the film overall, but I'll admit a lot of that enjoyment comes from nostalgia. I did enjoy the few things in it that were new as well as the visuals. We'll see where things go with the next installment. As for Rogue One, I liked it despite the lack of character development. Most of the characters weren't really even all that likable either, but the visuals, action sequences and the Darth Vader stuff kept it enjoyable for me. It provided some context for some elements of Episode IV which I thought helped the series overall. It's not without some problems, but I can look past those.
     
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    I do agree, and although it's hard NOT to rehash the same plot outlines as the 100+ EU books out there (that's a lot of material), they do seem to be pulling from different series. I'm re-reading the New Jedi Order again and am on book 5; if you read these books, there are so many similarities to Rogue One and TFA it's not funny. Centerpoint is essentially the new death star. A hyperspace weapon. Except it's in the hands of the Rebellion, they use it against the Yuuzhan Vong and end up wiping out half of the Hapan fleet. Read the series, you'll find Han in a sad state since Chewie died (they reversed that with Han dying), he becomes and alcoholic and then goes out for revenge on the Vong, ignoring his family. Wouldn't it be funny if they did that to Chewie in episode VIII!!

    I was not a fan of TFA, maybe if there is enough outcry he will follow some of Rogue One's set design and universe setting, I would like that.
     
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    The way Chewie died was stupid. The whole Yuuzhan Vong arc was stupid. I was actually pleased when Disney hit the delete button on any of that shit being canon.
     
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    Abrams oversaturation, everything tastes like chicken.
     
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    I've been waiting to hear The Beastie Boys - Sabotage in Star Wars. Looks like my wait is over!
     
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    Well, the way Han died was forced, predictable and not well executed, so they also need to work on their killing offs :)
     
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    If it wasn't for his first wife, the first movie would have been received very differently. She was one of the editors that got the pacing back on track and eliminated a lot of GLs famously bad dialogue choices. I think the problem is that he was paying homage to the old Flash Gordon serials which he understood and then landed in SF land which he doesn't (or didn't want to, really.)
     
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    Patriotically, the part where the ground conveniently split open, allowing Kylo to escape, while Rey stood over him with her lightsaber pointed at him.
     
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    Rey's parents are Porgs.
     
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    Rebels is a textbook example of how to do a cartoon right. They manage to appeal to YA and to Adults and do things you wouldn't expect in a 'kids' show. The carnage may be bloodless but the lightsabers but decapitations abound!
     
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    I can remember the dark times, when we only had Brian Daley's Han Solo trilogy, Neil-somebody-or-other's Lando trilogy and Alan Dean Foster's Pip and Flinx Meet the Empire book to read. Then the 90s came and so too did the EU. We thought it could only get better with more writers. We were wrong.
     
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    I'm ok with this.

    However honestly I'd be fine with two more hours of Vader wading through Rebels, like at the end of Rogue One, preferably with an R rating. Kind of a Star Wars version of Logan, without the fucking kids.
     
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    Well shit.....We're gonna get Return of the Jedi...the next generation.
     
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    For some reason I have a hard time not believing that JJ begged and begged behind closed doors for this job again. Wonder if he at one point was so desperate considered those glitter bags... :-D
     
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    I was really surprised at how many people hate the new film(s) just because Disney did away with the old Expanded Universe. The EU mostly sucked.

    I think they're borrowing from KOTOR I/II here. I don't know about Finn but I can see Rey and Kylo Ren having some kind of literal force connection like Revan and Bastilla or the Exile and Kreia. They've borrowed some artistic elements from KOTOR.

    I liked VII overall. Very good character driven story that Star Wars hadn't had in a while. Just don't let Abrams do any more planet-gets-blowed-up scenes and IX should be ok.
     
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    There are tons of possible explanations for Rey and Finn having those skills. Many of those explanations may not be satisfying and it remains to be seen what the future films will go with plot wise, or even if the problem will be addressed at all.
     
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    TFA was entertaining but cheesy no doubt. I dont like how Rey seemed to be an expert at everything and especially how she was able to take on a Sith lord with no training of any sort. The little alien woman or"female version" of Yoda was also annoying. Han Solo died in a lame way but I was glad it happened; he seemed out of place in TFA and was pretty much like a half-dead animal waiting to be put down. Overall it was a decent movie but nothing great.
     
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  23. Sikkyu

    Sikkyu I Question Reality

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    Lucas doesn't give a shit anymore. He is rich, old and lazy as fuck.
     
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    Couldn't destroy Star Trek fast enough, now he wants to destroy Star Wars as well.
     
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    Ouch LOL
     
  26. HeadRusch

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    I'm going to assume the OP is suggesting that Rey is just a clone of Luke, only with added abandonment issues (Luke at least had an emotionally-distant Uncle and submissive aunt to raise him when his father left to take over the Galaxy).
     
  27. MrValentine

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    Correct. And I might want to let that slide if it didn't have so many characters from the last (Ep6) movie. Its obvious they want you to think of this as a continuation of the story, but they want your imagination to fill in the gaps. IMO that is just crap story telling. Its obvious the script was thrown together as a quick cash grab by Disney, and due to time constraints to get it done quickly no one was allowed to edit/fix it.

    I'm trying to think of other recent movies that disappointed me on the same level. And I can honestly say I enjoyed Batman vs Superman more than TFA. The best part about TFA was the little bit of Han/Chewy/Falcon back story we got. When I think of the rest of that movie I want to puke. And not because I think of SW as some holy grail, but because I HATE laziness and seeing people fuck up a good thing.
    They needed to do a good back story filler movie, not an 80s action chuck norris in space movie.

    QFT

    GOT style? :)

    I would love to see some of the screen writers/producers from the Marvel universe given the reigns for SW. Letting Abrams run the whole show is doomed to fail, look at his history... and you know what they say about history. Which also reminds me of a definition for insanity.
     
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    My problem with Starkiller was how quickly he ramped his abilities (which I understood was necessary for the game's story) but then suddenly rips a Star Destroyer from the sky. There were a dozen other ways to write that scene that might entail some force usage and taking out that ship WITHOUT him pulling off that trick. 900 year old Yoda I might believe do that, but not a teenage StarKiller. It was a monumental feat that kind of made the game epic on that first play through but then afterwards you realize how batshit insane it was. It was a deus ex machina plot device that was really weak and it detracted from relatively easy battle afterwards with Vader and the Emperor. "I can rip a mile long, trillion ton starship from the sky OF COURSE I can smack the Emperor around like a little bitch!" They also flubbed on the story on that mission as well as the boss battle making a few simple tricks all it takes to beat the game. I literally had more trouble beating Kazdan Paratus earlier in the game. On top of that, they added a YET ANOTHER mission to steal the death star plans, and that point in the EU there were at least 5 other incongruous stories already.

    I'm very happy Disney ret-conned the Force Unleashed. Neat game, but it detracted from the overall story. However, they did pull quite a bit of influence for Kanaan Jarrus of Star Wars Rebels from Rahm Kota in Force Unleashed which was a nice touch.
     
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    I love how mouth-breathers tried to make it 'deep' by explaining that maaaaaaaaayyyyyyybeeeeeeeee Han killed himself in sacrifice, willing to do anything for his Son...

    OUR SHIELDS CAN NOT REPEL FACE-PALM OF THAT MAGNITUDE!
     
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    The Vong storyline is what killed off Star Wars novels for me. I don't even remember how far into it I got but it was just completely absurd, boring and strung out waaaaaaaaay too long. Many of the events in the books were also really damn stupid. Killing off Chewie and the way they did it was one of the worst issues but by no means the only one. I was also super pissed that Anakin Solo was killed off since he was the only one of the three Solo kids I actually liked and the fact he was killed off was a decision forced by Lucas himself.

    As much as I hate the fact that the EU was basically wiped away I have to agree that it was a good thing. There were too many stories and way too much one-upmanship to keep things as dramatic as possible. As I said, I never even finished the Vong storyline and never read anything after that but I looked up some stuff here and there an the the whole galaxy was a huge mess. Within 30 or maybe 40 years they had taken a galaxy which had been effectively stable for around 20,000 years and completely destroyed it. There's simply no way you could keep continuing on like that and make anything decent.

    That said, there is quite a bit that I did read that I liked a lot. I'm one of the big Thrawn partisans myself. As a character he was just awesome. Through pure ability alone he was able to make his way to the top of the military hierarchy despite being non-human. He didn't have any Jedi powers or any other special abilities and yet he was easily the most dangerous opponent the New Republic could have faced.

    Then you have the older EU stuff such as the Han Solo adventures and the Lando Calrissian Adventures. I really, really wish they had gone with one of the stories from the Han Solo Adventures for the Han Solo movie. Those were some good stories. While the Lando Calrissian Adventures were a little more "out there" I found them very enjoyable and not out of the galaxy far fetched. Splinter of the Mind's Eye is definitely a forgettable story but it was also written before Empire and before things like Luke and Leia being siblings was decided.

    It's also good to keep in mind that Star Wars was never meant to be part of a trilogy or series. It was supposed to be a one off standalone movie. It was only due to the huge success that it was continued.
     
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    What took you so long? I was out after Stackpoles Rogue Squadron books and Zahn's The Hand of Thrawn, and that was alomst twenty years ago.
     
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    Uh, then why should I care about the characters at all? Why should I bother to watch it? They all die. The end. The journey? What journey? They didn't develop the characters much at all.

    There were a few brief seconds there where I wondered if they were going to pull a Han shoots first type scene and have him stab his own son or kill him in a scuffle where they both fall off the edge.
     
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    We all know the story. A team of rebels stole the death star plans, got them to Princess Leia.

    You're absolutely right. We don't really need to watch it. We don't need to know the sacrifice. We don't need to know why the exhaust port was there as a weakness.

    You get to know them enough. A little back story, a bit into the way the rebellion was, how the plans were obtained, and then it gives a nice intro into Episode 4.

    I thought it was fine. They weren't strangers at the end, but they weren't memorable people. They were expendable rebels that got the death star plans. Hell, I bet their name isn't even listed on the "Died for the Republic" plaque.
     
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    Y'all are calling him Jar Jar Abrams, but y'all forget which Star Wars director actually created Jar Jar...
     
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    Lights, Camera, LENS FLARE!!!!
     
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    I liked the robot ball from TFA, reminded me of a Dyson vacuum.
     
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    By George you might be on to something! Maybe they'll also explore more anti-jedi techniques, with saber resisting energy batons or whatever those were called. Too bad the world seems to empty of Jedi/sith to take out. Who knows, maybe Luke lost his identity too; it would be too boring/unoriginal if he just felt defeated and exiled himself. Luke could be the sought after Revan figure that went missing.
     
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    Why do I have the urge to start up Photoshop Elements 15 and add lens flare to Star Wars screenshots?


    Now I am reminded by this...

     
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    There is actually canon dealing with this in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, where Leia duels Vader to protect Luke who was injured in the duel first. At the time Leia nor Vader had any idea who she was or that she would have enough connection to the Force to even manage to stand up to Vader for a second.

    I don't have trouble with Rey or Finn being able to stand up to Kylo, it is painfully obvious that he has major trouble with focus and discipline the way he lashes out when anything even starts to go wrong. A good swordsman needs to be able to block out everything and focus on the fight. While emotions do feed the Dark Side, Vader focused his hate to increase his power, Kylo just lets it fly every which way. Kylo has strength as shown with being able to stop the blaster bolt in the opening scene, but that is only when everything is going his way, and is more of a trick than skill. Kylo comes off more like a spoiled brat/bully who Snoke picked up because he had a strong connection to the Force but it seems Snoke has not been able to break him down then build him back up the way Palpatine did with Anakin. Palpatine spent 20 years manipulating Anakin and molding him, twisting him until he broke. From what is eluded to in TFA Kylo mentally snapped when he couldn't live up to Luke's expectations and Snoke simply picked him up.

    I'm waiting to see if they can somehow make something our of Kylo. I think there is much more there for Luke to make something out of Rey though.

    I liked Rogue One, but was disappointed because I was hoping for a full Rogue Squadron series since I have always been more into the space flight of Star Wars than the Jedi story line.

    J.J. Abrams I am still torn on, I did have some problems with TFA and I really didn't like the new ST idea, but I did really enjoy Fringe. If he could put some meat into Ep9 like what was in Fringe then maybe it has some hope.
     
  40. Dan_D

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    Pretty much this. I read a few here and there afterwards but never did care for anything past those. Although, I did like the Republic Commando novels.
     
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