J.J. Abrams to Write and Direct Star Wars: Episode IX

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  1. Megalith

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    Colin Trevorrow was recently fired from Star Wars for being (allegedly) difficult to work with, and now, barely a week later, Lucasfilm has already found their replacement: J.J. Abrams will return to direct and co-write Episode IX alongside Chris Terrio, who recently worked on Batman v Superman and Justice League.

    J.J. Abrams, who launched a new era of Star Wars with The Force Awakens in 2015, is returning to complete the sequel trilogy as writer and director of Star Wars: Episode IX. Abrams will co-write the film with Chris Terrio. Star Wars: Episode IX will be produced by Kathleen Kennedy, Michelle Rejwan, Abrams, Bad Robot, and Lucasfilm. “With The Force Awakens, J.J. delivered everything we could have possibly hoped for, and I am so excited that he is coming back to close out this trilogy,” said Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy.
     
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    I liked Ep. 7...bring it on.

    I honestly didn't find Jurassic World to be that good, so this is a welcome change IMO.
     
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    Why? Do you have any specific opinions on this?
     
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    I mean....the TFA was entertaining. But I have no doubts this will be a retread of Return of the Jedi that takes no risks and yet still entertain.
     
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    So basically what I'm getting from Lucasfilm is "We don't want anything original with the Star Wars movies just the same stuff we've already made." That'll get old fast. I'm sure Disney is fine with it though. They've already made more than they paid for it all so they could give two fucks if it gets driven into the ground now.
     
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    Only time will tell how this turns out. I doubt it will be a total rehash of Return of the Jedi given the flak that Episode VII has taken for being a virtual remake of Episode IV. Also, I'd rather have J.J. Abrams working on Star Wars films than Star Trek films. His style fits better with Star Wars than Star Trek. The latter, he clearly doesn't understand.

    The Orville is closer to Star Trek than the reboot film series is for fuck's sake.
     
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    It takes a special kind of person to shit on both major SF franchises. Well done, JJ, well done!
     
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    The vast majority of his movies are not good. I have not liked a single one of his ST movies and TFA was pretty much crap. The story left TONS of holes about the state of the galaxy, and the "super weapon" was an unimaginative insult to anyone with half a brain. The comparisons that it was just a reboot of A New Hope is a very valid one, and it shows a lack of give a shit by Disney and Jar Jar Abrams. Abrams sacrifices story and character development for non-stop action. This isn't Super8 or Cloverfield!! Details are important! Mystery should only be a small part for this type of movie (mystery of Luke and Snoke are acceptable). I know some shit got blown up, but what exactly? Why did those worlds matter? Who was on them? What was lost? And WTF is the "resistance"? A simple break down of the status of the galaxy could have been given by Leia, MM or Akbar, but instead they dive right into what the superweapon is and how to blow it up. And that is just one example of mistakes made.

    I wont be seeing this one in the theater, it will be a red box rental.
     
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    I am underwhelmed by this selection, but would be okay with it if he was doing only one of those two (writing and directing) tasks.
     
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    I hate What Disney did to Star Wars.
     
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    I was hoping for George Lucas with a clause:
    a. no CGI
    b. allow actors to discard bad cheesy lines
     
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    That's what happens when you drop the writer for the project and come up with a story/script in a couple months. If JJ had any sense of pride he would have fought to delay the project to wait on a better script. Instead his ego/money took over.
     
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    Meh.... I thought TFA was great when I saw it, though I was drunk at the time. When I sobered up a few hours later I realized that it was a politically correct remake of A New Hope.
     
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    If only there were already a large source of material for Star Wars canon that the studios could draw from.... if only they could somehow, see what stories from the Star Wars galaxy were really good and people enjoyed... if only... Nevermind. Something like that surely doesn't exist.



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    They hit the delete key on all of that.
     
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    As a fan of (at least the original) Star Wars and the greater Star Wars universe, particularly before Lucas ruined it with those terrible prequels, I REALLY want them to not screw this up. Episode 7/Episode 4 version 2.0 couldn't have been more disappointing if it tried to be. I tried so hard to want to like it but I couldn't help by leave the theater feeling completely overwhelmed. Disney's decision to throw away the expanded universe was a complete joke, as continuing things with characters like Grand Admiral Thrawn and the remnants of the Imperial fleet would have been far more compelling than the First Order lead by some dude no one's really appears to be that afraid of. Here's to hoping they'll actually craft a good story with compelling characters like they did back in the 70s/80s, and try to actually eliminate some of the ridiculous plot holes that have worked their way in since 1999.

    Too bad Irving Kerschner isn't still around to show them how to make a real Star Wars movie. Oh well. At least Rogue One was good.
     
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    After Episode 7, it would be better if he were doing neither and they picked someone else.
     
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    When are all the haters gonna realize that TFA wasn't terrible. Yes it was very similar to ANH, but that's because they're both of the same story archetype:

    Introduction of the Hero's (Heroine's) journey / Awakening of the Heroine (Hero)

    It's been done in hundreds of movies, with various covers along the way.

    It's a classic story arc, and has been used for millenia.
     
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    If Disney has shown us anything, it's that film directors are disposable, and the real creative control (with Star Wars and Marvel Cinematic Universe) lies with the producers. It's only geniuses like Spielberg, Scorcese, Tarantino or Fincher that get final cut.
     
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  21. Guarana [BAWLS]

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    The EU had more loopholes than a crocheted blanket does.

    Sure, it had some damned good stuff in it, but it also had a lot of crap and contradictory stuff, too.

    As for nobody fearing Kylo Ren? Well, as of 7, it appears that nobody had heard of him outside of the first order. (As opposed to Vader who was the Emperor's right hand enforcer for 20ish years.)

    Last I heard, Disney was planning to pull some things from the EU to build on the franchise as they go, but they're going to pick and choose as a result.
     
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    It wasn't similar, it was the same, just with a worse script and direction. If not for the practical effects, it would be garbage all around.
     
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    I was with you till that very end. Rouge One is an example of all that is wrong with most of today's Hollywood.
     
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    Regarding J.J. Abrams work on the Star Trek films, I couldn't agree with you more. The casting is spot on, the visuals are generally good, although the set design leaves a lot to be desired. The characters are badly written and clearly shows that the people working on those films do not fully understand the source material. It's why they are bad.

    Now, I think you are somewhat off base on The Force Awakens. I hate having to defend that film, but I can't agree with all of what you said. First and foremost, I will agree that the film is far too close to Episode IV. That's definitely valid. I think this is done largely because the formula worked before and they were playing it safe as it was the first Star Wars film with George Lucas being totally hands off. It's not the choice I'd have made, but lets face it, George did the same thing with the prequels. Episode I followed Return of the Jedi's formula almost to the letter. Episode VII is a trip down memory lane and banks on nostalgia. The numbers speak for themselves as it made truck loads of money. I also agree that the super weapon in the film was lame and served as nothing more than an "super sized Death Star", which isn't terribly creative. I will also agree with you in part that some details were needed to help us have some context for some of the films scenes.

    That about covers what I agree with. Now lets get into what I don't agree with, or can't agree with at this time. Episode VII is designed to be part of a trilogy. It cannot be fully judged or understood by itself. Yes, it could have been more cohesive and self-contained, but ultimately, there are going to be and should be some plot lines which need resolution in subsequent films for an overarching plot. I do not see a problem with this. Because Star Wars, and specifically the original trilogy are part of the public consciousness, its hard to remember the threads started in Episode IV that went nowhere in that film. Specifically, the Clone Wars is mentioned by Ben Kenobi and that he was a Jedi Knight. Absolutely nothing about the Clone Wars is stated, known, or inferred by that point. We didn't know if there was a war against clones, or where clones came into the picture. We were told nothing. Darth Vader's background isn't stated at all, nor is anything about the political structure of the galaxy. There is a single comment about the Imperial Senate being dissolved and that this is the last vestige of the Republic.

    We know nothing about how the Galactic Empire came to be, or anything about the Old Republic, other than the Galactic Empire replaced it. The Emperor is mentioned, but not shown, and nothing about him is known at this point. Why Darth Vader is seemingly subservient to Grand Moff Tarkin isn't stated either, but it seems odd at the time. It's even stranger when you look at later films where Darth Vader is clearly the number two guy in the Galaxy. The events surrounding the retrieval of the Death Star plans isn't even known until Rogue One. Effectively, it's clear that we are coming into the middle of some larger story, but we are given very little information about it. We have no character origins save for Luke's and no knowledge of what's going on other than the standard rebellion against tyranny type of story.

    Episode VII is no different in this regard. We know the First Order must stem from the Galactic Empire, but we have no knowledge or understanding of how or why this vestige of the Empire still exists. We have no idea who the fuck Snoke is, or where he comes from. Some back story about Ben Solo / Kylo Ren is hinted at, but we don't have any details to speak of. Again we have no origins for anyone. We don't know why Rey is so powerful or skilled either. We don't know how the Falcon was lost, or even necessarily why Luke disappeared outside of vague theories as to why. The only thing made clear is that the New Republic wasn't going to openly oppose the First Order and that the Rebellion is a split from the New Republic.

    All things told, we probably have about as much information about the story and characters as we had the first time we saw Episode IV. I think the only reason why Episode VII doesn't get a pass for this is because it isn't original and visual effects of this caliber are common place today. Episode IV was unique in its day and was something no one had seen at the time so it's bad dialog, bad acting and incomplete story are largely overlooked. Plus we've had decades of viewing Star Wars as part of a larger trilogy which provides answers to the questions people undoubtedly had when watching Episode IV the first time. I think Episode VII can't be fully judged or even understood until we have the rest of the trilogy. Even then, we may not know everything by the end. We still had unanswered questions about the Clone Wars and Darth Vader's past prior to the prequel trilogy being made. We shouldn't have as much of that this time around, but who knows?

    In any case, I think Episode VII has been judged by most people prematurely. Until the rest of the trilogy is released, we won't truly know how good or bad the film really is.

    A large subset of the Star Wars Expanded Universe was pure garbage. Plain and simple. If you watch Rebels, Episode VII and Rogue One you can see that Disney is drawing from the best aspects of the EU and trashing the bullshit. That's not to say they'll always pull from the best or work all of the good shit into canon, but they ARE in fact drawing from the EU.

    Disney's efforts are better than George Lucas's efforts over the last couple of decades. Episode I = Crap. Episode 2 = Crap. Episode III was almost decent, but then it turned to crap in the last 15 minutes when George thought ripping off Frankenstein's monster and having Padme die of a "broken heart" was a good idea. Nothing J.J. Abrams could possibly do would be that insulting or fucking retarded. That kind of bad bullshit writing belongs in My Little Pony and nothing else. At least Azureth could masturbate to that. The Clone Wars series was good, but we have Dave Filoni and others to thank for that, not so much George. Rebels is excellent, and arguably better than the Clone Wars and that's all Disney. Disney did the smart thing and used the real talent behind the Clone Wars series to make that. Episode VII isn't perfect, but again I think it's too early to really judge the film. That said, I already think it's better than Episode I or II. Rogue One is better than any of the prequel nonsense. Again, it isn't a perfect film, but Disney isn't doing "worse" with Star Wars than George did.

    Also, pissed off Teddy Bears in Return of the Jedi? George has been out of his fucking mind for decades now. Disney buying out Lucasfilm is a goddamn errand of mercy. Taking Star Wars out of George's hands is practically a public service.
     
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    Right, but you had officers in the First Order basically talking back to Kylo Ren. That never would have happened with Vader, nor would a TIE fighter pilot be able to competently duel him with a lightsaber.

    You are fair in saying the EU had plot holes, but given the amount of content, surely you can pick and choose what you want to include from the good stuff (Grand Admiral Thrawn, Dash Rendar, Kyle Katarn, etc). You don't have to follow it to the T, but you have fantastic elements to use to make an even better movie.
     
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    Oh yeah? Why do you say that? I enjoyed that movie and thought it was comparatively well done, especially in comparison to the previous four Star Wars movies that were made.
     
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    Let's see what jj's forte formula techniques are:

    Bad character development...check
    Bad plot....check
    Cheesy sets...check
    Crappy over use of special effects...check
    Lens flare and bad camera angles/tracking...check
     
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    Finn and Rey being able to dual Kylo on any level at all is something that needs to be addressed. There is no doubt about it. It's possible Finn is Force sensitive and there is some evidence to suggest he's had some training in fighting Jedi, as it seems clear that the First Order has prepared at least some of its Storm Troopers to do precisely that. Rey doing it is another matter entirely. We need more information on that. I will say that it's stupid without some sort of plausible explanation and there are some fan theories which may or may not be correct that will do that well.

    And actually, people did mouth off to Darth Vader in Episode IV. By Episode V that behavior was completely squashed from anyone's mind, but it did happen at least two times in Episode IV. Grand Moff Tarkin ordered Vader around like a lap dog. Admiral Motti mouthed off in the conference room and Vader Force choked him as a result of his responses to Vader's statements. So it did happen in the original trilogy.

    Again, Disney is choosing content from the EU to use in the films. I can't believe some of you "fans" aren't seeing it. Ben Solo, clearly inspired by Ben Skywalker and Jacen Solo in the EU. The First Order is similar to the Imperial Remnant. Grand Admiral Thrawn is canon! He's used in Star Wars Rebels, which is also canon. The paths taken by Luke and Leia are also not dissimilar to the ones taken in the novels. The main difference is that Luke ultimately seems to have failed here, but Leia is pretty much doing the same thing. Even Han's behavior is straight out of the books. Vader's castle on Vjun was moved to Mustifar but it's the same concept. Luke's original saber being recovered, again, right out of the Last Command by Timothy Zhann. The chick from Rogue One seems like a combination of Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors without the Force sensitivity of the former. Rebels makes elements of KOTOR, KOTOR II and SWTOR canon as well. I haven't read any of the canon novels but I'm sure I'd find more elements from the EU in those as well.

    I can go all day with this. There is plenty of inspiration from the EU here. Disney simply chose to disregard the worst of it, or use too much of it as to back themselves into a corner with it.
     
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    Precisely because Episode IV was an excellently made film, with great script, cast, direction and technical aspects, none of that ultimately matters and it works great on its own. Episode VII has none of that except the technical part and thus fails as its own thing. Being a carbon copy of the original just makes it that much worse.

    The script for the most part. A character film with badly developed characters. And the overuse of fan service.
     
  30. FrEaKy

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    I am OK with this.
     
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    Prepared to fight non-existent Jedi and sword fighting?
    It's not in the movie. It doesn't count and fixing the nonsense in a later movie after the fact also won't make it any better.
     
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    Non-existent? Hardly. We know that Jedi existed or were in training until recently. Even if the "last ones" died out when Rey was a child, Force users still exist in the Galaxy. More to the point, it's likely that the Stormtrooper in question was deployed to that planet during the attack because it was possible he could run into Luke, Leia, or someone else that had such training who might be with the Rebels. Whether or not Finn has had this training is another matter. Whether or not this training, or some of it was standard practice is unknown at this point.

    We don't know a lot of things. Again, I have to point out that there were a lot of things we didn't know after watching Episode IV for the first time. You give that movie a pass on that point, but not Episode VII. The unanswered questions in Episode IV is something you've clearly forgotten, never knew, understood or are ignoring on purpose.

    Episode IV brought up a lot of things that weren't in the movie that didn't get defined until later on. If you are going to judge Episode VII for that, that's fine. However, Episode IV should be judged by the same standard. This is my point.
     
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    There simply aren't enough likes in the world... Sorry, but I absolutely hated the new SW.. and feel bad for the wanabes who scream about it being so amazing... they have no idea what it was like growing up being able to watch an endless onslaught of original movies in Channels 5, 11, and 13 in LA.. you litterally couldn't watch everything and had to choose... seriously.. who born in the last 20 years will ever be able to watch 'Harvey', then 'Slaughterhouse 5', then 'Way Way Out" .. in a single afternoon?
     
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    Have you watched Star War's Clone Wars or Star Wars Rebels? The studios are drawing heavily from legends. Rebels especially has brought an awful lot of things back into canon while hinting a a lot of it could still be re-added.
    "There's always a bit of truth in legends." -Ahsoka Tano (Star Wars Rebels)

    The biggest things "Rebels" has brought back into canon:
    Jedi-Mandalorian War from KOTOR
    Battle of Malachor V from KOTOR
    Darth Revan from KOTOR (implied due to the previous events, he was also in a canceled episode for Clone Wars)
    Darth Traya from KOTOR 2 (implied, the same voice actress is in the Sith Holocron found on Malachor in the show)
    Grand Admiral Thrawn from (Heir to the Empire)
    Inquisitors (although I will admit all of them except the grand inquisitor were pathetic)

    I could list dozens more. There are also dozens of new books and comics that are bringing back a lot of it also, sometimes with a slightly different spin. I do believe they need to be selective about what they bring in, as some of the old canon was just terrible (IMHO Yuuzan Vong, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, Emperor's unending clones, etc.)
     
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    J.J Abrams .... hooray for superfluous lens flares in every scene.
     
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    There is a big difference between questions that are important for the movie to function and those that are more or less important padding. What happened in IV was sufficiently explained in the movie. VII has film breaking plot holes.

    They are judged by the same standards, they are just different where it matters.
     
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    If JJ Abrams did a Terrestrial action film in the same vein of his Star Trek and Star Wars films it would go something like this:

    Residents of the West Coast of America witness terrorists blowing up the Eiffel Tower, so they hop in their car and drive to Moscow, arriving in under 5 minutes.
     
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    Sorry, not sorry, once Rey was the protagonist, my interest died. Of all the franchises to sacrifice on the pc alter, they haf to choose Star Wars. Oh well, as long as the youngsters enjoy it I'm happy. Honestly, I am well beyond caring about creative choices in sequels.
     
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    Say what now?
     
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    Drama queen. It'll be great. The incredible nit-picking is...incredible.

    Maybe each of us could make our own version, and we can pick the best?