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skinnyck

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HI all

Is this

AMD Bulldozer FX Quad Core 3.6GHz Processor
8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600MHz Memory
Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 Motherboard

better than this

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
ASUS P5N-E SLI
4gb memory corsair cm2x1024-6400

and by how much!?

thanks
 
Yes the 3.6 GHz FX4100 system is better than the 5 year old core2 Q6600 2.4 GHz system in just about everything. By how much would always depend on what your application is.

Here is a link comparing the 8 core FX versus the Q6600. They did not have a FX4100 so that is all I could do.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=434
 
Thanks for your reply
my is application BATTLEFIELD 3.
so if i add the gtx 460
corsair tx650
out of my old system
am i gonna see some performance improvement!
Will it be slight or major!
 
Depends. In single player mode, probably not much. In a 64-player multiplayer map, most definitely.
 
If you are buying new parts I'd get an i3 instead. It will likely run circles around that FX especially gaming.
 
Yeah, for 100 dollars just get an i3 2100. If you're going AMD, even a 965 would be better than an FX-4100. For just a little more, you could probably get a low end sandy bridge quad. Something like an i3 2300 would kick the pants out of both of those CPUs.
 
I would suggest you find another mainboard something with a 990 or 970 chipset.
 
Thanks for ya replies that amd bundle is £190 which is mega cheap what it offers seems amazing although sticking to intel is something my wallet cannot do rite now bang for buck its tempting,but what i was thinking of on my old system sacking the asus p5nsli board(ddr2) cause its terrible to overclock an have give up on that getting a new 775 board(ddr3) overclocking the 2.4 ghz 6600 to 3.ghz an putting 8gb(ddr3) in thinking it that it will give not far off the same for a lot less cash....and would improve my bf3 or just buy the amd bundle id love to get i5 ,i7 cash wont stretch that far its gotta be one or the other
 
AMD Llano Quad Core 3GHz Processor
8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600MHz Memory
Gigabyte A55M-DS2 Motherboard AMD A and E Series Socket FM1 A55 ATX RAID Gigabit LAN (rev. 1.0)
Pre-Assembled & Tested

or there is this bundle for £200 or do what i said with my old rig??
 
I would not rely on overclocking. Do you have a PC you can use in the interim? I'd see if you can trade some of your parts, there are plenty of UK gamers around. I think there are even some UK specific PC forums, that might make trading easier.

Here's what I'd do:

with the way ram prices are right now, I bet there's someone out there that will trade your 2x2gb DDR2 for 2x4gb DDR3(though it won't be overclocker ram).

I don't know how prices are in the UK, but you should be able to trade your Q6600 for a 965 or an i3 2100(preferred for potential upgrade path) + you pay a little bit of cash. You might have to pay up to 35% of the 2100, but I doubt it'd be more. I don't know how much 965's are going for but I imagine they're probably about the same or less than a 2100.

Sell your old motherboard for whatever you can get out of it.

Buy a new AM3+ or 1155 motherboard. You should be able to get either at a decentish price. If you're on a budget, I would recommend not putting a lot of money into a feature filled motherboard. So, instead of buying the board with a bunch of fancy OC features, put that into a CPU instead. Evaluate what you really need. Do you really need PCI slots and PCIE slots? Are you going to use more than one video card? Which chipset do you need? Are you buying as little unnecessary features as possible? A basic, reliable AM3+ board should cost you about the same as a basic, reliable 1155 board. Neither will overclock like a bat out of hell, but both will do the job.

If you go Llano, you're buying extra GPU that you're not going to need or use, and you're killing yourself for a potential upgrade path. If you go FX-4100, well... it'd work but IMO getting a 965 or sandy is better and would cost about the same. I think even something like a pentium G850 would be better. Notice in this benchmark comparison that the FX-8150(more cores and higher clocked than the 4100) is bested in some games by even the G850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=404

Is there a popular website where you buy stuff in the UK? I'll try to help you out the best I can.
 
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Amd prices are tempting

or i can just bite the bullet hold on buy the i52500k(which is near on the price of the AMD bundle) put it on the shelf buy a board nxt month then ram few weeks after this rig will last out not a problem.im in no mans land.
thanks for ya reply
 
i looked at the benchmark comparisons an going back 5 yrs i would have gone with the g850 over the 6600 maybe blinded by the quad,so the performance with a higher clocked duo is better than a lower clocked quad..still learning..
 
skinnyck said:
i looked at the benchmark comparisons an going back 5 yrs i would have gone with the g850 over the 6600 maybe blinded by the quad,so the performance with a higher clocked duo is better than a lower clocked quad..still learning..
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The G850 wasn't available 5 years ago, and the 6600 was a monster processor for its time with a really long lifespan. It'd have been hard to go wrong with it. When it comes to gaming, the 965 and the 2100 are pretty close. You could go with either one and get good performance. If you do more multithreaded things, go with the 965. The 2100 has a better upgrade path though, as I'd imagine that most 1155 boards will support both sandy and ivy bridge CPUs(check to be sure) and the performance delta between a 965 and any bulldozer is much less than between an i3 2100 and a 2600k.

Prices vary a lot depending on which chipset you get.

Do I need USB3?
Do I need PCIE-3.0?
Do I need SATA 6 gig?(for SSDs mainly. Even then you can get by without it, but if you have a 6 gig SATA drive you might want it)
Do I expect to buy a K series CPU later and overclock?

If you don't need any of that, then just get an H61 chipset motherboard and save yourself about 30... pounds? (LOL, I'm international stupid). It's missing all of those. You can get all of them except for overclocking if you get an H77 chipset motherboard. You can get overclocking but give up PCIE-3 and USB 3(well, the MB maker has to add it with a 3rd party controller) with an x68 board. If you don't expect to buy a dual GPU card within the next 4 years or so, I'd say don't worry about PCIE 3. Most cards now don't even feel much impact from going to a 4x PCIE 2 slot, which is about as fast as an 8x PCIE 1 slot. Well, for reference anyway. Keep in mind how long PCIE-1 has been around.

Here's a quick comparison of intel chipsets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#5.2F6.2F7_Series_chipsets

And really, if you decided you wanted SATA 6 or USB3, there are always expansion cards.
 
skinnyck said:
Thanks for ya replies that amd bundle is £190 which is mega cheap what it offers seems amazing although sticking to intel is something my wallet cannot do rite now bang for buck its tempting,but what i was thinking of on my old system sacking the asus p5nsli board(ddr2) cause its terrible to overclock an have give up on that getting a new 775 board(ddr3) overclocking the 2.4 ghz 6600 to 3.ghz an putting 8gb(ddr3) in thinking it that it will give not far off the same for a lot less cash....and would improve my bf3 or just buy the amd bundle id love to get i5 ,i7 cash wont stretch that far its gotta be one or the other
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go with the FX 4100, for 190 its worth it. don't bother with the liano even though its all around a better setup AMD will be killing FM1 socket for the new FM2 socket trinity APU's.

if that gigabyte board has the ability to overclock just overclock the 4100 as much as you can which will help in BF3. doesn't matter how much you overclock that Q6600 its time to retire that puppy.
 
You know, actually I just asked myself why there were so few benchmarks for BF3 on the CPU side. I have found my answer: It doesn't depend on the CPU so much, so so long as you're not hurting on the single threaded side too much:

http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page7.html

http://www.cclonline.com/product/44...e-i3-2100-3-1GHz-Dual-Core-Processor/CPU1114/
http://www.cclonline.com/product/64...rds/Gigabyte-Z68AP-D3-B3-Motherboard/MBD0206/
http://www.cclonline.com/product/53...-XMP-Kit-for-Sandybridge/KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX/

Choose economy shipping, and it's less than the llano setup you configured. Choose another motherboard, you can probably get it well under 190.

Okay, so here's an even less expensive config that would probably do fine. You lose 200mhz, hyper threading, and 1mb of L3. I also chose cheaper RAM and a cheaper motherboard.

http://www.cclonline.com/product/58...ium-G850-2-9GHz-Dual-Core-Processor-/CPU0032/
http://www.cclonline.com/product/54...Asus-P8H61-M-Socket-1155-Motherboard/MBD0115/
http://www.cclonline.com/product/60...-Memory-8GB-Kit-1333MHz-C9-DDR3-Dimm/RAM0309/

Total here is 145. However, at that point you're starting to sacrifice in select highly multithreaded applications, so you really have to ask yourself if it's worth the upgrade.The Q6600 really is a good CPU. However, you could also spend your way up to 200 on the CPU side and get this:

http://www.cclonline.com/product/72...e-i3-2130-3-4GHz-Dual-Core-Processor/CPU0075/

which gets you another 300mhz on the CPU side. However, it's not going to get you much of anything in BF3 over either the G850 or the 2100.

Not really a fan of THG, but the bench is relevant so I'll link it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-2100-gaming-benchmark,3136-3.html
 
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I have an FX-4100 build with an HD 6870 and I get around 75FPS in BF3 on High settings (720P). Certainly not max settings, but the game is smooth and still looks good.
 
BF3 doesn't rely on the CPU that much in single player mode, but it does in multiplayer mode.

The i3 2100 and other dual cores start really falling behind the quad cores when you start playing on 32 and 64 player maps.
 
Tsumi said:
BF3 doesn't rely on the CPU that much in single player mode, but it does in multiplayer mode.

The i3 2100 and other dual cores start really falling behind the quad cores when you start playing on 32 and 64 player maps.
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This. BF3 MP is a CPU hog.
 
Unabomber said:
Going to disagree here... The FX-4100 is a very good overclocker, and getting an 800 MHz boost on air cooling is pretty much the norm.
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Even at that overclocked speed it plays it falls behind a core i3-2100 at stock speeds (no overclocking of these) in most things, except where the extra cores count. Since he is a BF3 fan, then the FX4100 may actually work for him. For pretty much anything else in gaming, I'd recommend the core i3-2100...
 
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