iPhone 5 is officially the worlds most powerful phone

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Well, at least the weight reduction helps mitigate damage during accidental drops. I also think the Android line needs to be thinner because being as large as they are they would feel too uncomfortable when tucked in a front pocket. The iPhone on the other end really doesn't need to be any thinner then what it is already.
 

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Last time I looked, Windows 7 fundamentally doesn't look much different then 2000. It has some enhanced colors and textures for 2012. The task bar is still the task bar though, and explorer is still explorer. Has some new features here and there, but we aren't talking.. Windows 8 change, and look at how much people like the GUI changes in windows 8. They don't. Every version of Windows since 95 has had the same basic layout. If you were competent with the GUI layout of 95 you could jump into using 7 no problem. Meanwhile, you can be a master of GUI and control for Windows 7 and be completely fucked when it comes to even logging into Windows 8.

I'm sorry have you used windows 2000 ever?

I think the main point people are making is that iOS has had zero significant changes as far as the kernel goes, vs something like Windows versions.

You point out a huge flaw in iOS kernel as well that is something that could be improved.

I frankly have no idea how you would improve it. Maybe add 'real multitasking', but you do this at the expense of stability and battery life.

That would be an improvement that could be made. If multitasking causes stability issues that's a kernel problem.

I have nothing against iPhones and Apples, but they are starting to stagnate big time.

Upping the clocks and speeding up the memory is not revolutionary its what every company does when they bring out a new model of something.

Also gaming on a phone is a bit silly imo.
 

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That multitasking causes instability.

It doesn't cause instability. It causes the battery to drain faster and uses more CPU cycles with no real benefit. You can, with a cydia tweak, enable real full-time multi-tasking, but there are few applications that really need it anymore.


iOS SDK, vanilla, does allow for traditional muti-tasking for apps that need it (Pandora, XM streaming and dropbox syncing for example) but Angry Birds, Plant vs Zombies and other apps like them would not benefit from it at all. It would only put a strain on system resources.

Apple did it the right way for a mobile OS IMHO. Hell, even MS is using that approach in WP7
 
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Yeah I had never heard about instability before, but when it got brought up in an argument with the premise that iOS is flawless and needs no changes that a huge hole in logic.

Granted we are talking about the same person who thinks explorer from Windows 2000 is the same as explorer from Windows 7 or even XP.

I'm just hear pointing out huge logic holes in peoples arguments.
 

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Last time I looked, Windows 7 fundamentally doesn't look much different then 2000. It has some enhanced colors and textures for 2012. The task bar is still the task bar though, and explorer is still explorer. Has some new features here and there, but we aren't talking.. Windows 8 change, and look at how much people like the GUI changes in windows 8. They don't. Every version of Windows since 95 has had the same basic layout. If you were competent with the GUI layout of 95 you could jump into using 7 no problem. Meanwhile, you can be a master of GUI and control for Windows 7 and be completely fucked when it comes to even logging into Windows 8.

So you say you want big changes to the GUI/feel/layout of iOS. I say in reality, you don't. The subtle changes from each release are more then enough. Go to far and you end up with a Windows 8 situation where users don't even know how to do basic tasks anymore.
None of what you discussed is accurate at all.

Windows 7 is much fundamentally *MUCH* different than Windows 2000 - both at a GUI and kernel level.

iOS on the other hand? Not much has changed in the last 5 years. It's fundamentally the same operating system with slight tweaks and incrementally better hardware (3GS -> 4 -> 4S -> 5).

For folks who are happy with a "bare bones" OS like that, I think iOS makes a lot of sense, but I'm not one of those types.

The iPhone 5 is amazing from a hardware standpoint, but when you pair it with the same old OS that Apple has been kicking around for years... it's a big disappointment. I could care less about nice hardware if it's running on a dated software platform with tons of restrictions.
 
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None of what you discussed is accurate at all.

Windows 7 is much fundamentally *MUCH* different than Windows 2000 - both at a GUI and kernel level.

iOS on the other hand? Not much has changed in the last 5 years. It's fundamentally the same operating system with slight tweaks and incrementally better hardware (3GS -> 4 -> 4S -> 5).

For folks who are happy with a "bare bones" OS like that, I think iOS makes a lot of sense, but I'm not one of those types.

The iPhone 5 is amazing from a hardware standpoint, but when you pair it with the same old OS that Apple has been kicking around for years... it's a big disappointment. I could care less about nice hardware if it's running on a dated software platform with tons of restrictions.

I wouldn't say that at all. With each new release of the os, it adds a lot new features and enhancements that weren't necessarily advertised or talked about/highlighted. The OS has become quite refined for a walled garden type of system. For someone that doesn't use it (or use it much) I can see why they'd say that because on the surface, it doesn't seem fundamentally different from iOS1.x, but it's simply not true.

That's as ignorant as saying that android hasn't evolved since it's inception
 
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I wouldn't say that at all. With each new release of the os, it adds a lot new features and enhancements that weren't necessarily advertised or talked about/highlighted. The OS has become quite refined for a walled garden type of system. For someone that doesn't use it (or use it much) I can see why they'd say that because on the surface, it doesn't seem fundamentally different from iOS1.x, but it's simply not true.

Give me some evidence that iOS 1.x is significantly different from iOS 6.
Siri, Copy Paste, and "multitasking" aside.
I don't think Siri and Copy Paste would be considered kernel changes.
 

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Give me some evidence that iOS 1.x is significantly different from iOS 6.
Siri, Copy Paste, and "multitasking" aside.
I don't think Siri and Copy Paste would be considered kernel changes.

Can we see a list of how you think Android has changed? I have a Gingerbread and ICS hardware sitting in front of me right now. ICS is just a fancier version of the same stuff done on Gingerbread.
 
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Can we see a list of how you think Android has changed? I have a Gingerbread and ICS hardware sitting in front of me right now. ICS is just a fancier version of the same stuff done on Gingerbread.

Hardware acceleration?

Also they added stuff like data management and also the stock browser is way better than the one in 2.3.

Honestly there were quite a few changes, the whole entire interface looks and works differently, unlike iOS which has looked the same since it came out. I personally just don't like all apps being on the homescreen, I like that menu on Android more.
 

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Hardware acceleration?

Also they added stuff like data management and also the stock browser is way better than the one in 2.3.

Honestly there were quite a few changes, the whole entire interface looks and works differently, unlike iOS which has looked the same since it came out. I personally just don't like all apps being on the homescreen, I like that menu on Android more.

Stock browser is just an app. Hardware acceleration was long overdue and nothing something Android should be applauded for adding late.
 
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Stock browser is just an app. Hardware acceleration was long overdue and nothing something Android should be applauded for adding late.

So changing something to make it better is shit because it's late, but not really doing anything is great?

I used an iPod touch 2G when it was new, and a 3GS with iOS 5.1.1 and honestly there didn't seem to have been anything that changed.
 

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So changing something to make it better is shit because it's late, but not really doing anything is great?

I used an iPod touch 2G when it was new, and a 3GS with iOS 5.1.1 and honestly there didn't seem to have been anything that changed.

Depending on how you are measuring, Android doesn't look like it changed much either.

Both platforms have advanced a lot. It seems silly to bash on iOS for not improving when it started in a far better place than Android did.
 

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Stock browser is just an app. Hardware acceleration was long overdue and nothing something Android should be applauded for adding late.

You could say the same thing about when Apple added multitasking, or the ability to close apps manually, or panaramic photos and LTE now. Heck, even adding the extra 1/2 inch screen size should have been done before, so I'm not sure why people are happy about it now.

As for the IOS/Windows comparison, yes fundamentally Windows didn't really change from 2000 to Windows 7. However, Vista and 7 did add gadgets (even though I don't know that many people that use them). Aero was introduced to change the appearance. Libraries were implemented. The start menu, while still in the same location combined the run and search features. The control panel was organized better and icons were revamped.

I'm not saying that the whole thing needs to be revamped, just add some things to make it feel new (this is coming from an iPhone user of 3 years). Something akin to widgets, changing the icons so they aren't all blocky, etc. For example, the addition in IOS 4 to let you create app folders. That was a good move for IOS. Not a huge change, but very useful and changed the landscape up a little.

At this point I don't think Apple necessarily needs to do a complete makeover like from previous Windows to Windows 8's Metro look. Even if the fundamentals stay the same, at least for me there was some excitement in the GUI changes from Windows XP to Vista/Win7 and even from Windows 95/2000 to Windows XP (though the company I work for forced the systems to use the Win2000 start menu design).
 

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Can we see a list of how you think Android has changed? I have a Gingerbread and ICS hardware sitting in front of me right now. ICS is just a fancier version of the same stuff done on Gingerbread.

Who said anything about Android?
I don't know anything about the Android OS.
I asked a question about iOS.

Also 90% of the updates from that wiki link are software improvements.
 

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I wouldn't say that at all. With each new release of the os, it adds a lot new features and enhancements that weren't necessarily advertised or talked about/highlighted. The OS has become quite refined for a walled garden type of system. For someone that doesn't use it (or use it much) I can see why they'd say that because on the surface, it doesn't seem fundamentally different from iOS1.x, but it's simply not true.

That's as ignorant as saying that android hasn't evolved since it's inception
I've been using iOS for the last 2 years... so I'm going to respectfully disagree with your opinion. In the past 4 years, the OS is the relatively the same and not much has changed.

Slight tweaks? Absolutely... but I've seen a ton more progression and evolution from android, which is why I'm making the switch.

iOS is definitely in that holding pattern where Apple knows they can keep printing $ without adding any new features. I can't fault them for taking that approach because they are 100% right. Folks are ecstatic about the iPhone 5 even though it's not very different at all than the iPhone 4s. It makes sense why Apple wouldn't want to take any risks on the software side when they have a proven formula for printing $.
 

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One of the driving points of iOS is the fact that it should stay familiar across platforms and across versions, and is partly what makes it so popular. It also makes it easier to avoid fragmentation across their hardware platforms.

It's pretty funny that people are actually knocking on that fact. People have a hard time with big changes. Apple is doing something right with their OS look and feel.

All in All, IOS is a mature product, where android is still catching up in that sense.
 

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As opposed to OS improvements i would assume.

The OS isn't software?

This thread should have been closed loooooooong ago. There can and will be no end to the arguments made here.

Both platforms have their trade offs. Choose what you like best and stick with what works best for you. End of argument. This is literally like arguing religion.
 

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One of the driving points of iOS is the fact that it should stay familiar across platforms and across versions, and is partly what makes it so popular. It also makes it easier to avoid fragmentation across their hardware platforms.

It's pretty funny that people are actually knocking on that fact. People have a hard time with big changes. Apple is doing something right with their OS look and feel.
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I get that... I just don't agree with it. Following that logic we should all still be playing games using the old Atari 2600 controller (joystick and one button), or still rocking the old Windows 3.1 interface on our PCs (or worse... command prompt only).

Most people by nature are against change and my belief is that it is the responsibility of technology companies to push the boundaries and drag the "unwashed masses" along for the ride ;) It's not innovative if all you do is upgrade the specifications of your devices or adopt technology that has already been available in other products. The original iPhone was innovative, iTunes was innovative, now Apple is just riding the $$$ train instead of trying to steer it...
 

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The OS isn't software?

Technically an OS can be classified as software. Most people would not call an OS software, but to be clear I should have initially said application software which is the software I was referring to.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, I am just saying people are jumping to conclusions without any evidence or support for their opinion.
 

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I get that... I just don't agree with it. Following that logic we should all still be playing games using the old Atari 2600 controller (joystick and one button), or still rocking the old Windows 3.1 interface on our PCs (or worse... command prompt only).

Most people by nature are against change and my belief is that it is the responsibility of technology companies to push the boundaries and drag the "unwashed masses" along for the ride ;) It's not innovative if all you do is upgrade the specifications of your devices or adopt technology that has already been available in other products. The original iPhone was innovative, iTunes was innovative, now Apple is just riding the $$$ train instead of trying to steer it...

That's going a bit extreme, my point was this is what APPLE does, and always has since OSX. I agree it's getting "boring" and "outdated" but they can improve on it without changing the "feel" of it.

I wouldn't say androids approach is any better, they basically have the same standard layout, all that changes is the fact that a user can customize their widgets.

The only way to get people to accept change without much fuss, is to change things slowly, or change them to something that is visibly better. (my opinion anyway)
 

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To say that neither OS has had SIGNIFICANT changes is grossly ignorant.
If you picked up an iPhone 3 GS and an iPhone 5, you wouldn't have much trouble navigating through the OS and doing your daily tasks.

Android though? Completely different. The OS has come a long way and is much different compared to 3 years ago.
 

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If you picked up an iPhone 3 GS and an iPhone 5, you wouldn't have much trouble navigating through the OS and doing your daily tasks.

Android though? Completely different. The OS has come a long way and is much different compared to 3 years ago.

that can be seen in 2 ways

#1, interface remaining the same doens't mean the rest of the OS hasn't had tweaks and changes

#2, iOS is mature, Android is not and has to catch up, in terms of usability, iOS has the win.
 

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Every release of iOS (and this also applies to a lesser degree to OSX) Apple likes to claim '200 new features !!!', '500 new features !!' when in fact most of it is incremental tiny changes and bug fixes.

If MS and Google did this for every Android release or even a Windows service pack, there'd be thousands of things to list.

The strength of iOS is that its still basically the same as v1. The apps have evolved, there are a bunch of refinements, but its not even close to the huge changes in Windows or Android. And that is also its biggest weakness.

One person's usability = another's lack of features and inability to do stuff. The fact is Apple customers are used to how it works. Every year Apple adds a few features other phones have had for years and everyone thinks its a huge leap in usability.
 

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And it still has a tiny screen................

Honestly it just blows my mind how Apple refuses to do a larger screen. It's literally the same as swapping out my 23" LCD for a 15" because it saves on desk space! They even screwed up moving up to 4" by just stretching it, how do you screw up making the screen larger? :confused: I'm sorry I want to believe there's some kind of real logic behind it but it's just the most ridiculous thing I've seen in the technology world. They could've made the 4S larger and said if you don't like that then keep the 4. There are so many ways they could make it work, but they won't because lol Apple.
 

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On the business side of the equation you know your phone is "the shit" when you see lower income families and ghetto type people all rocking an iphone.

They can barely make the rent, on welfare, and the kids have zero shot at college -- but damn it! They have an iphone!

On the other side of the equation -- you have the douchey hipster that actually has an erection over the outlay of 800+ dollars on a toy that *might* have a life of 1 year or less. Why pay down your student loans for that art school you failed out of when you could do this instead?
 

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iOS has definitely seen significant architechture changes and significant updates, regardless of how the user interface looks.
 
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