Intel to Scale Down DIY Processor Shipments

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  1. AlphaAtlas

    AlphaAtlas [H]ard|Gawd Staff Member

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    While Asus said that the Intel CPU shortage didn't affect its gaming PC sales, apparently, the same can't be said for PC DIY Sales. Digitimes says that "Intel will scale down its processor shipments to the PC DIY distributor market by as many as two million units in the fourth quarter of 2018." Digitimes's sources claim that Intel has reduced desktop processor shipments make room for more notebook and server production, and say production is supposed to be cut to just 6 million units in the fourth quarter of this year.

    The DIY market for graphic cards also sees low sales visibility along with sluggish buying sentiment for motherboards, due partly to the lack of significant price/performance ratio difference between Nvidia's new-generation RTX 2080 GPU platform released in October and existing ones, the sources continued... The sustained mining chill seen since April 2018 caused revenues of supply chain players to drop remarkably, driving up inventories of both mining graphic cards and motherboards. This, coupled with the deferred launch of Nvidia's new GPU platforms, Intel's processor supply shortages and lackluster terminal buying sentiment, resulted in most suppliers posting lower-than-expected revenue and profit performances for the third quarter, traditionally a peak season, according to industry sources.
     
  2. ProfessorUtopia

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    Intel would also like you to know this certainly has nothing at all to do with renewed competition within this market space.
     
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  3. Kardonxt

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    I love that they blame Nvidia's RTX for poor new unit sales rather than Intel's own lack of performance increase between new releases, or the fact that AMD is competitive again.

    Up until Coffee Lake we hadn't seen a significant performance change between generations since Sandy Lake. (Outside of HEDTs at least)
     
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  4. gxp500

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    Blaming themselves is not shareholder friendly.
     
  5. Advil

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    Blaming Nvidia's RTX sales? Are you kidding? Those were never destined to have large enough sales figures to DRIVE new PC sales because of the very high prices. Even IF the cards were received as the second coming of gaming the 2070 is $500. That's on the outer fringes of mainstream already. Between Fortnite and PUBG and Rocket League players switching to PC and the latest AC games I'm seeing plenty of demand for new PC hardware... it just needs to be PC hardware that has the right combo of price and performance!

    Dang Intel... get it together.

    They really peaked with the 8000 chips but seem to be bouncing off that peak rather hard.

    Right this second we're building a gaming PC with a 2200G, 8GB CL14 RAM, 4GB RX 570 Card, SSD, B450 motherboard.

    It's going to game very, very well and cost very little.

    I'd be happy to use Intel, but their i3 CPUs and motherboards cost more and the onboard video isn't as good in case the user wants to task the machine for something else later and remove the video card. And the Nvidia 1060 cards are STILL a lot more expensive.

    I don't know when this happened but I'm just shocked at how fast AMD has gotten me to start using their hardware again. They just all of a sudden filled several dead zones left by Intel, and they did it really well.
     
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    Don't forget the price fixing of ram driving the DDR4 ram prices sky high.

    HEDT market is getting gouged out of existence by everyone except AMD atm.
     
  7. raz-0

    raz-0 [H]ardness Supreme

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    I think you are reading it wrong.

    My take is what they are trying to say is.. Hey.. it's not us, our product is awesome. Just like NVIDIA's product is pretty good too and they are seing decreasing sales. SO like.. decreasing sales are just normal. It's what happens when the crypto miners dry up.

    It's still a pretty weak argument, but I don't take it as blaming NVIDIA for not driving sales. It's more an argument that if it is affecting video card sales too, it can't be because EPYC is good and encroaching on their market share.
     
  8. Zarathustra[H]

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    Sounds like they are ceding the market to AMD rather than try to compete.

    I hope AMD proves to be a better monopolistic overlord than Intel has, though knowing what I do about corporate incentives, and recalling 2005 Athlon 64 X2 pricing, I'm doubting this is the case...
     
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  10. DNMock

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    You shut your mouth with that blasphemy! AMD and Intel are going to have a wonderful rivalry of one upping each other, driving innovation and keeping prices down for many years to come!
     
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    Wow, is Intel trying to drive DIY PC builders to AMD? Between this and the total coasting in regards to performance increase, they have really allowed AMD to catch up from what look like an insurmountable distance.
     
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  12. Galvin

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    If intel can ever do another core2duo. sales will sky rocket.
     
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  13. J3RK

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    I've been running Intel CPUs since the mid-Athlon X2 gen. Looks like my next systems will be back on AMD. It's been pretty obvious to me for a while now, though I did entertain the idea of one more round of Intel before swapping. Probably not now.


    Seems to be a case of: "We don't like playing where we lose. We'll go where we can still win sometimes." (basically where legacy corporate mentalities rule the market :D )


    It'll still be a while before I go back to AMD for displays though. Despite cards catching on fire I still see Nvidia in my future for some time to come.
     
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    Seems odd to cut DIY CPU sales, when right now is probably a better time to build a computer than any other time in the last year - video card prices have returned to sanity now that the crypto boom has busted, RAM is now finally going down, after hitting a peak in price at the beginning of the year, and SSDs have seen nice price cuts lately as well. Well, I suppose AMD will be happy to take that market. I am looking heavily at the Ryzen 2600 right now; it seems like a hell of a deal for $160; the nearest Intel processor, the i3-8300, is $25 more & comes with 2 less cores, 8 less threads, and doesn't even clock faster. And the Ryzen comes with an actually usable heatsink/fan as well.
     
  15. Zarathustra[H]

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    I think those days are over, at least with traditional silicon.

    The limitations of node size these days are going to keep Intel and AMD much closer in overall performance. The level of leap-frogging displayed by the Core @ Duo just seems highly unlikely unless we have some sort of massive technological leap. GaN process, biological computers, spintronics, Quantum Computing designs, who knows? But some sort of massive post-silicon advance will be needed for something like this to happen, and unless there is some top secret internal programs at AMD or Intel that no one on the outside has ever heard of, I don't think this is happening any time soon.
     
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    So true. Seems an aging 2600K or 4770K is adequate in most games at 1080p. It's going to come to features and marketing of those feature soon unless some quantum jump in CPU happens. I miss the 2X increase, now it seems it's only a little better, and intel shows some slides that some apps are a little faster for $500 and up for a CPU.
     
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    Yeah, I doubt that will happen either.

    The original Core series had it's roots in the Pentium Pro.

    After the Pentium IV disaster, Intel changed direction and used their mobile CPU tech and went from there.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1052...onroe-moores-law-is-dead-long-live-moores-law
     
  18. EODetroit

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    If Intel saw the opinions of myself and thousands of people like me, then this makes perfect sense. Why produce the hell out of a CPU that we don't want?
     
  19. Gideon

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    I am sure this decrease in production has nothing to do with a decrease in demand for their products. There is room for two players and perhaps oem's will earn it's a bad idea to only have 1 supplier of a product, cause if that supplier has a bad day, then you have one as well.
     
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    I get that server/datacentre is more profitable and they are trying to defend the monopoly. But to cut shipments to its loyal DIY based solely on profit margins is a dick move. Shareholder pleasing decision obviously, but a stab in the back to its Enthusiast community. AMD marketshare grab inbound me thinks.
     
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