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Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, Ultra 7 265K and Ultra 5 245K Review Roundup
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“ASRock Latest Z890 BIOS Update Enables Intel 200S Boost Feature
PRESS RELEASE by Nomad76 Today, 09:54 Discuss (3 Comments)
ASRock Inc., a leading global motherboard manufacturer, officially announces today the release of a comprehensive BIOS update for its Intel Z890 series motherboards, enabling the brand-new Intel 200S Boost feature. With this update, users can effectively "upgrade" their existing Intel Core Ultra processors and enjoy a significant performance boost.
Intel 200S Boost is achieved through fine-tuning of BIOS settings and voltage adjustments, leveraging a subset of overclocking features found on K-series CPUs to enhance system performance, offering a truly noticeable upgrade. What's even more exciting is that this overclocking method does not void Intel's limited processor warranty.”
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Anyone know if it is possible to disable the NPU? Like thru the bios.
You can on some BIOSs but not all, in practice though, disabling the NPU doesn't have any measurable impact on power draw or performance.
The NPU is a sub-function of the GPU, and unless you are doing something that is specifically calling upon it, then that part of the GPU isn't active.
You can "disable" it in Windows through Device Manager, the NPU gets listed there as something like "AI Boost", disabling that kills the functionality, but thanks to Microsoft being Microsoft and Windows 11 being Windows 11, not all the Apps will register that the NPU is no longer available and when they go to utilize it the system will BSOD with an error code of 43. It's listed as a "bug" on Microsoft's side, but I don't know if they have fixed it or if they ever will.
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You can disable it, but it's not recommended
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Just wondering. I wouldn’t be using win 11. I would use win 10.
For a new hybrid CPU like this, you want Windows 11. They upgraded the scheduler in 11 and it does a much better job with determining what should go on P-cores vs E-cores.
Then it's already done for you, I don't believe that either AMD or Intel supports the NPU functionality in Windows 10, and it doesn't even get enabled at a driver level, so the hardware remains dormant.
It's like having a hardware AV1 encoder when you don't do any video encoding.
But the CPUs that have the NPUs don't do well in Windows 10, and you are leaving a lot of performance on the table by not using Windows 11 and really the things people don't like about Windows 11 and it's overreach are compatible minor compared to the headaches you will have trying to use Windows 10 on that platform.
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I really not going to 11. I’m still on 7. My next step is 10. I’m a hater of windows. And Linux nope.
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Thank you sir.
Has anyone actually measured that? like, practically speaking, what is "a lot"?
I can't say for gaming, for Nuendo it is the difference between it working super smooth with 11, and having some real issues with spikes and dropouts in 10 if you have a hybrid CPU, since it doesn't seem to handle what thread should go on what core as well.
It depends, some use cases won't show any meaningful difference at all, meanwhile others could be up to 30% faster in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10. It's also dependent on the specific CPU model and chipset. If the CPU only has a single core type, then you aren't going to have any significant issues, but if it has split core types, be it the Intel P+E cores or the AMD C cores then things get squirly.
So, without knowing specifics, I can't really give you a definitive answer, but neither AMD nor Intel is not doing Windows 10 users any favours with their new hardware
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Gigabyte introduces Intel 200S Boost technology for Z890 motherboards
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-introduces-intel-200s-boost-technology-for-z890-motherboards
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I set Windows 11 up with a local account years ago and never looked back. For awhile my work laptop was on 10 and I hated using it after using 11 on my gaming PC. I'm sure some people have their "reasons" for hanging on, but in no way is AMD or Intel (or nvidia) obligated in any way to support an OS that MS themselves is ending support for.
It's time to move on if you want features of new hardware with fewer issues. For gaming 11 has been amazing, don't do enough productivity to know on that front, but feels great to me. It's simply works flawlessly for me on new hardware.
When I originally switched years ago I even did benchmarks and saw a slight increase in speed, so I imagine newer hardware it's even more pronounced now depending on the application.
It's time to move on if you want features of new hardware with fewer issues. For gaming 11 has been amazing, don't do enough productivity to know on that front, but feels great to me. It's simply works flawlessly for me on new hardware.
When I originally switched years ago I even did benchmarks and saw a slight increase in speed, so I imagine newer hardware it's even more pronounced now depending on the application.
This is actually not true, it was put into windows 10 and 10 is much faster than 11 on hybrid cpus, especially 24H2 which is an atrocity. The guys over on overclock did a bunch of testing on this. The funny thing is AMD cpus don't have a performance regression on 11 24H2 and perform about the same.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/o...11860/page-350?post_id=29417197#post-29417197
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K, but like, even if I did play CS2, which I don't, I wouldn't be running it at 1280x960. I do, however, use Nuendo and it does run better on 11.
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CS2 specifically was a known problem in 24H2: which should have been fixed in the past month or two: If you have the latest Arrowlake BIOS, chipset drivers and ME engine, W11 power profile driver, and 24H2 updates.
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Well, from the last time I read the thread 21H2 was the last W11 version that performs the same as W10 22H2 as tested, 23H2 and 24H2 both had degraded performance. If it is true that MS has finally fixed 24H2 that is great, I haven't read the thread in a little while. I would like some links to some data to show this though.
That's nice, my friend has an AMD Ryzen rig specifically because of issues with hybrid CPU and Cubase, wonder if Nuendo was similar but got fixed.
Reminds me, I am curious did easy anti cheat ever get fixed to work on 24H2? Nope lol https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2#263msgdesc https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2
I am still curious about arrow lake though since multiple people have mentioned it feels more fluid than alder/raptor lake series even though the data suggests it would not be but all the other issues + cost kept me away from testing it myself.
hmm...
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Yes lol, actually. Its newer versions work fine, but it's up to the game dev to update it in their particular game. Most multiplayer ones where it matters have long ago updated, now.
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There isn't enough consistency in Arrowlake's performance, to make such claims, IMO.
There are a couple games here and there which it does really well in. As good as some of AMD's Zen4 X3D chips. and the 1% lows can be strong, in those scenarios.
There are plenty of games where its more/less the same framerates as 13th/14th gen. With a possible overall skew towards a little less performance.
And there are also some games which do not like Arrow Lake at all, and performance is really low. Like Ryzen 5000 or low end 12th gen. One of the worst case scenarios is Final Fantasy 14. and there are others with similarly lowly performance. Another example would be A Plague Tale: Requiem.
And this all hedges on you running some DDR5 8000+ with decent timings (CL38 etc).
Unfortunately, Arrowlake has turned out to be a weird little curiosity. And while the multitude of updates are appreciated. It simply makes it more and more curious. However, I don't think it will ever end with Arrowlake actually being a leading product. Unlike Zen 4 and 5. Which both had their share of wrinkles. But as the dust settled, they ended up great products. And all of the OS and driver improvements for Zen 5 also improved Zen 4, right along with it.
I think we are probably at/near the end of the meaningful improvement for Arrowlake. And while it is better, its still kinda the same as it ever was. Pretty great in a few games. Fine in many. Unusually poor in a few.
*There is some potential in even faster RAM. Like 9000+ and heavy tweaking. But at that point, you are spending $350+ on the RAM alone. And you still are using a CPU arch which is very inconsistent across a collection of games. At that point, you should just get a 9800X3D and enjoy leading performance in nearly every game, while using an $80 RAM kit. 9800X3D is practically a 2.5 gen performance improvement over a 9700X.
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FWIW this was found and most of the testing was with Raptor Lake not Arrow Lake, it just continued on the Core Ultra series. My main game is FF14 and I've done a LOT of testing on it before LOL so definitely it was nice when GN Steve added it to his reviews even if he does 0 tuning at all. The funny thing with FF14 was in the DT bench I bought a 7800X3D and it gave like 0 increase over my 7950X but I haven't done much benching on that one specifically nor do I have any 9000 series chips, last one I did a lot was EW which showed more gains from tuning.
Good thing at least these days is 8000 kits are relatively "cheap" now at just over 200 dollars or so which if you're getting the top end Intel SKU isn't a huge additional spend.
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