Hi all,
(please read the whole thing - sorry if i waffled but important background info)
First and foremost - heres a good site to compare input lags on all major common LCDs -- http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=316&p1=3023&ma2=88&mo2=178&p2=1765&ph=12
Well I admit it - I didn't do a huge amount of research prior to purchase, and despite building PCs for over a decade I dont take as much of an interest anymore, only when it comes time to buy or build a new PC do I 'catch up' on where everything's at.
So it came to be that I bought two Samsung Syncmaster 245Ts - which had terrible, terrible edge bleeding problems. So I returned these and bought two Samsung Syncmaster 275Ts. I was very impressed with the 245Ts colour reproduction, but didn't have them long. The 275Ts were noticeably less sharp and had a bit worse colour calibration out of the box, and after calibration and adjustment they werent on par with the 245Ts.
Then I noticed a horrible feeling - like my G15 and G9 input devices were suddenly wireless. Horrendous lag, just on the windows desktop. Mouse cursor playing catch up. Cranking the G9 to 3000dpi and 1000reports/sec did little to help. Not good.
Suspicious of the recent change I plugged my 19" Philips back in - and noticed input was razor sharp, fast and accurate again. It's the damned monitors.
Then I did my research and realised I'd bought S-PVA instead of S-IPS like I should have. The S-PVA panels might have various pros and cons - but the bottom line is when youre seeing 70+ms of input lag, youre disgusted, it's like using a remote PC over the network, whether youre a 3D Gamer or not.
here's a link showing a Philips 240BW getting 1.8ms input lag versus a Samsung Syncmaster 245T getting over 58.8ms input lag. There's no wonder manufacturers dont quote that number - people wouldnt buy these models if only they knew:
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=53&ma2=36&mo2=233&p2=2157&ph=12
Even if you arent a 3D gamer, the 70-75+ms input lag on a 275T is just totally utterly unacceptable, its nigh on impossible to even be accurate with a high res mouse. UGH. Theyre being returned tomorrow, they also have bad edge bleed.
ANYWAY --- the 275Ts will soon be gone --- but then what?
Im thinking 30" Dell but I can't get the beloved WFP3007-HC anywhere?? except some on ebay which have to come from the US to South Australia, not my preferred solution. But I'll do it because the WFP3007-HC has an awesome lack of input lag, the best of the listed 30" displays (as per below link).
My issue is that the NEW Dell 30" - the WFP3008 - has a crap input lag graph by comparison. See this link:
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=316&p1=3023&ma2=88&mo2=178&p2=1765&ph=12
So -- if the 3008WFP isnt an option, and the 3007WFP-HC is the bees knees but I cant get one easily, that leads me to my next train of thought:
The Apple 30" HD. This uses the same panel as the 3007WFP-HC by all accounts, but is readily available with local warranty.
my real question is this - can someone verify the ACTUAL panel model # and revision on the Apple 30" HD displays currently being sold?
And does anyone know if this matches the 3007WFP or the 3007WFP-HC.
Also, is the 3007WFP and 3007WFP-HC identical in terms of input lag? or was the 'HC' just so much better in that regard, given the WFP3008 has much much more input lag (well over double!!!).
Its starting to look like my best option is an Apple 30" HD.....Or a HP 3065. But I also cant find any info on the panel in the 3065. Argh!!
Given I know the Apple 30" has a 3007WFP or -HC I just need to determine if its the HC or not and if the input lag is bad or not...
Does *ANYONE* have any actual facts on the 30" LCD's input lag times??
The input lag times I know about are:
Dell 3008WFP: Min: 36ms. Max: 58ms. Average: 46.6ms
Dell 3007WFP-HC: Min: 0ms Max: 27ms. Average: 11.5ms.
Dell 3007WFP: ???
Apple 30" HD: ???
HP 3065: ???
please help I want to get this sorted once and for all and just need to determine once and for all which of the 30"s has an acceptable amount of input lag for desktop use AND high calibre 3D gaming. It looks to me like the Dell 3007WFP-HC and any monitors that share its panel are DEFINITELY the way to go. Unfortunately the 3008WFP doesnt and I cant work out if the others definitely do or not, or if the non-HC 3007WFP is also very low lag (which the apple shares, unless its the HC in the apple which would be awesome and solve all my problems because i can buy that then locally brand new.)
Anyone???
PS I figured this was the forum to come to, god it was hard working out what was going on with my input lag until I found some CRT vs LCD with chrono posts on here. Thank you all!!
please dont post back with 'i play with x monitor in crysis and its awesome', it means nothing to me you might have a very high tolerance for input lag - i dont - and wont tolerate it CRTs arent an option (none around) and OLEDs etc are too far away. Need an S-IPS low latency low input lag panel 27 or 30" this WEEK
Trav
(please read the whole thing - sorry if i waffled but important background info)
First and foremost - heres a good site to compare input lags on all major common LCDs -- http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=316&p1=3023&ma2=88&mo2=178&p2=1765&ph=12
Well I admit it - I didn't do a huge amount of research prior to purchase, and despite building PCs for over a decade I dont take as much of an interest anymore, only when it comes time to buy or build a new PC do I 'catch up' on where everything's at.
So it came to be that I bought two Samsung Syncmaster 245Ts - which had terrible, terrible edge bleeding problems. So I returned these and bought two Samsung Syncmaster 275Ts. I was very impressed with the 245Ts colour reproduction, but didn't have them long. The 275Ts were noticeably less sharp and had a bit worse colour calibration out of the box, and after calibration and adjustment they werent on par with the 245Ts.
Then I noticed a horrible feeling - like my G15 and G9 input devices were suddenly wireless. Horrendous lag, just on the windows desktop. Mouse cursor playing catch up. Cranking the G9 to 3000dpi and 1000reports/sec did little to help. Not good.
Suspicious of the recent change I plugged my 19" Philips back in - and noticed input was razor sharp, fast and accurate again. It's the damned monitors.
Then I did my research and realised I'd bought S-PVA instead of S-IPS like I should have. The S-PVA panels might have various pros and cons - but the bottom line is when youre seeing 70+ms of input lag, youre disgusted, it's like using a remote PC over the network, whether youre a 3D Gamer or not.
here's a link showing a Philips 240BW getting 1.8ms input lag versus a Samsung Syncmaster 245T getting over 58.8ms input lag. There's no wonder manufacturers dont quote that number - people wouldnt buy these models if only they knew:
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=53&ma2=36&mo2=233&p2=2157&ph=12
Even if you arent a 3D gamer, the 70-75+ms input lag on a 275T is just totally utterly unacceptable, its nigh on impossible to even be accurate with a high res mouse. UGH. Theyre being returned tomorrow, they also have bad edge bleed.
ANYWAY --- the 275Ts will soon be gone --- but then what?
Im thinking 30" Dell but I can't get the beloved WFP3007-HC anywhere?? except some on ebay which have to come from the US to South Australia, not my preferred solution. But I'll do it because the WFP3007-HC has an awesome lack of input lag, the best of the listed 30" displays (as per below link).
My issue is that the NEW Dell 30" - the WFP3008 - has a crap input lag graph by comparison. See this link:
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=316&p1=3023&ma2=88&mo2=178&p2=1765&ph=12
So -- if the 3008WFP isnt an option, and the 3007WFP-HC is the bees knees but I cant get one easily, that leads me to my next train of thought:
The Apple 30" HD. This uses the same panel as the 3007WFP-HC by all accounts, but is readily available with local warranty.
my real question is this - can someone verify the ACTUAL panel model # and revision on the Apple 30" HD displays currently being sold?
And does anyone know if this matches the 3007WFP or the 3007WFP-HC.
Also, is the 3007WFP and 3007WFP-HC identical in terms of input lag? or was the 'HC' just so much better in that regard, given the WFP3008 has much much more input lag (well over double!!!).
Its starting to look like my best option is an Apple 30" HD.....Or a HP 3065. But I also cant find any info on the panel in the 3065. Argh!!
Given I know the Apple 30" has a 3007WFP or -HC I just need to determine if its the HC or not and if the input lag is bad or not...
Does *ANYONE* have any actual facts on the 30" LCD's input lag times??
The input lag times I know about are:
Dell 3008WFP: Min: 36ms. Max: 58ms. Average: 46.6ms
Dell 3007WFP-HC: Min: 0ms Max: 27ms. Average: 11.5ms.
Dell 3007WFP: ???
Apple 30" HD: ???
HP 3065: ???
please help I want to get this sorted once and for all and just need to determine once and for all which of the 30"s has an acceptable amount of input lag for desktop use AND high calibre 3D gaming. It looks to me like the Dell 3007WFP-HC and any monitors that share its panel are DEFINITELY the way to go. Unfortunately the 3008WFP doesnt and I cant work out if the others definitely do or not, or if the non-HC 3007WFP is also very low lag (which the apple shares, unless its the HC in the apple which would be awesome and solve all my problems because i can buy that then locally brand new.)
Anyone???
PS I figured this was the forum to come to, god it was hard working out what was going on with my input lag until I found some CRT vs LCD with chrono posts on here. Thank you all!!
please dont post back with 'i play with x monitor in crysis and its awesome', it means nothing to me you might have a very high tolerance for input lag - i dont - and wont tolerate it CRTs arent an option (none around) and OLEDs etc are too far away. Need an S-IPS low latency low input lag panel 27 or 30" this WEEK
Trav