I'm giving up on Ubuntu now ...

[:LJ:]

You don't have to say it, it's implied. The thread is a debate about Windows, Windows users, and Ubuntu. You posted what you did implying that Linux is better because of the CLI.

What would be the other reason to post that in this thread?

What???? How on earth can you assert my implication, when you didn't even read my original post properly? Jeez. Sure, I prefer being able to do everything with the command line, because for me it's quicker. At no point in my post did I say, implicitly or otherwise, that the command line makes Linux better (the simple fact being that your assertion implies that DOS is better than Windows XP, for example). It would really help these discussions if people like you didn't insist on taking statements out of context for the express purpose of scoring points off people.

EDIT: I meant "MY original post". Sorry.

 

[Met-AL]

What???? How on earth can you assert my implication, when you didn't even read the original post properly? Jeez. Sure, I prefer being able to do everything with the command line, because for me it's quicker. At no point in my post did I say, implicitly or otherwise, that the command line makes Linux better (the simple fact being that your assertion implies that DOS is better than Windows XP, for example). It would really help these discussions if people like you didn't insist on taking statements out of context for the express purpose of scoring points off people.

People like me? What am I like? Dumb? Doesn't specialize in using the CLI so I am dumb? (no you didn't say it!) This is the Linux culture right here. If a person, such as a dumb one like myself, wants to learn the use of Linux, we get the "Read the manual" "Use the search" "GUI, use the command line instead" crap. Give me a break, I am not trying to learn it to steal your damn job. (Yaa, I am a firm believer that Linux exists to facilitate expensive consulting fees due to the fact that the end customer could never figure it out on their own, vs Windows where a amateur could)

You Linux people are ironic. Your community works so hard to make Linux a viable alternative to Windows. But you act so conceited when a mainstream person needs help. It's shooting yourself in the foot. Give one or the other up.

 

[:LJ:]

People like me? What am I like? Dumb? Doesn't specialize in using the CLI so I am dumb? (no you didn't say it!) This is the Linux culture right here.
<blah blah blah>

No, I was referring to the fact that you were taking my statements out of context - I had no idea of your ability with Linux, command lines or even computers in general. I really don't see how being irritated with somebody twisting my words (and, worse, putting words in my mouth) has anything to do with the state of the Linux community. I don't have an axe to grind against Windows users (I used it for many years, and was relatively happy with it until I found that Linux better suits my needs). I'm also not "acting conceited when (somebody) needs help" here, because nobody's asking for help - as you said, this is a debate.

If you believe that Linux exists to create consultancy money, you've really missed the point. Windows and Linux both have their place in the world, just like Unix, mainframes and the many other operating systems in use around the globe. If you're going to make sweeping statements like that, please at least educate yourself enough to know the advantages and disadvantages of the systems you're ragging on.

If you want to troll some more, send it to my PM box. I'll be happy to oblige.

 

[Met-AL]

If you want to troll some more, send it to my PM box. I'll be happy to oblige.

So, my personal beliefs about Linux is now trolling?

Talk about twisting words.

 

[aFive]

Are you on Vista?
Boot from disk- input keyboard info and such, choose REPAIR.
Then choose command prompt option.
Run bootrec /fixmbr and bootrec /fixboot

Worked for me I gave up, too.
Ubuntu is still far from ever becoming a masses OS I think.
#1- couldn't get graphics card to work right.
#2- I still had to resort to command line to configure the most simple of tasks

Indeed, buddy of mine kept on telling me how great it was, so I decided to give it a go, Ubuntu 7.10.
Looked pretty interesting, drivers were utter shit for it, my wireless would not connect to any network, and anything that i wanted to do required me going to COmmand line and learning commands, no ty.
Anyway, when I asked a buddy how he put up with all of these things, he just replied: "oh I uninstalled the POS" . Well, thank you for telling me

 

[rhexis]

wow its been like 5 years now since the last time i tried a linux distro. im a little surprised to see that its still shitty. back then all i heard was how linux was going to take over the computing world. fast forward to today and its still a niche os with crappy free software and poor drivers. nice.

 

[aFive]

wow its been like 5 years now since the last time i tried a linux distro. im a little surprised to see that its still shitty. back then all i heard was how linux was going to take over the computing world. fast forward to today and its still a niche os with crappy free software and poor drivers. nice.

I took couple of Linux classes in college, the professor was always like: "linux is the shit man, you just gotta give it time to mature blah blah, it works so much better than windows". Well, I really do not get it, why wait and hope that sometimes becomes better when I already have something that i really like? Given good hardware Vista works like a charm. I am not going to bust my ass and spend 50+ hrs, like some ppl I know, trying to get the damned wireless to pick up a signal, or try to install something on it.

I personally do not see a reason to switch over to Linux right now, it is a fun OS to screw around with when you have plenty of free time, which I do not.

 

[teststrips]

Command line rocks - ASCII porn
Somethings are just better graphically.... oh by the way - for those of you who haven't played with linux - 95% of the installs I've done lately worked out perfectly completly gui based + no command line needed.

 

[heatlesssun]

Linux has been a breeze to install for many years now, that's not really a problem for distros like the old Red Hat and now Ubuntu.

The problem I have with Linux is when I try to do something like adding TV, or something like a Bluetooth stero headset. Things can quickly become extremely complex and frustrating.

As for the CLI's, the problem with them in Windows is that seem to have been an afterthought, until Windows Powershell, which is a great CLI. Since it’s a .NET application, it’s pretty much capable of controlling anything that has an Win32 /64 or .NET API.

 

[Met-AL]

Yep, they install very nicely. I think the first Linux distro I messed with that had a GUI installer was Corel Linux back in the 90's. It was very nice. I downloaded with my shotgun dual 56k modem from CNet.com and burnt it with my $300 4x HP burner on a $5 blank CD-R.

 

[MurphysLaww]

I am doing the same thing, going back. Ubuntu has an issue with the one card that I have in my XPC box that I was using for Feisty, the MX4400SE, so the resolutions stick sometimes, and sometimes I lose them entirely. It's kind of random.

linux is fun for the 1% of the computer users that REALLY want to get to know how their PC really works from the inside out. For the other 99%, I think they will stick with the operating system that lets them actually use their computer, not fix random anomalies that show up with each new release. Occasionally, about once every two years, I have the time and the desire to do battle with it. I really would like a viable alternative to Windows that also allows me to build my own systems(Sorry Apple), but Linux isn't quite there for me yet, and I'm pretty middle of the road in configuring ability.

 

[Cheetoz]

if you don't game, I don't see the point of getting windows.
Well, except to make a bunch of "best firewall, best antivirus" threads.

I'm not going to blame linux for hardware manufacturers not wishing to support linux.

 

[heatlesssun]

if you don't game, I don't see the point of getting windows.
Well, except to make a bunch of "best firewall, best antivirus" threads.

I'm not going to blame linux for hardware manufacturers not wishing to support linux.

Gaming is really just the tip of the iceberg. From digital media to advanced Windows features such as inking, there's a lot lacking in the desktop Linux world. That's not to say that a Linux desktop can't be useful, but there are just a lot of things not in the world of desktop Linux.

While I agree with you that it isn't necessarily a fault of Linux for the lack of hardware support, it's not necessarily the fault of hardware manufactures either. How many people are going to spend $600 on a GPU soley to be used on desktop Linux system? Or $100 for a set of Bluetooth headphones?

One of Linux's strengths is that its free. But that also ties into a weakness, in that a lot of Linux people run it for the purpose of saving money. If they complain about buying a $400 copy of Vista Ultimate (which BTW, there a much cheaper ways to get) every three or so years, they certainly aren't buying $600 GPU EVERY year, or whole new systems with the latest and great hardware every year. Linux users brag about how much better Linux runs on old hardware and how much better older hardware is supported.

I'm not bashing, I'm simply pointing out the obvious. If you were running a business to make money, wouldn't you want to market and support your products for the people who are actually going to buy them?

So its a matter of the chicken and the egg delima.

 

[eeyrjmr]

what about all the things that linux can do that windows just insn't capable of?

eg... partitions on a USBstick for starters
fully customisable


Linux users don't use Linux cause it is free or because they can't afford Vista. They do however know the value of money.

Vista aint worth 200pounds and MS new pricetag of FREE is still too expensive!

I have used linux for nearing on 10years and I continue to use it because it doen't stop me doing what I want

I mean FFS not being able to access more then one partition on a memory stick is stupid! or using stupid amounts of resouce is stupid (no matter how cheap RAM/HD are ITS MY hardware to use as I wish)

and I game on linux quite hapily. Be it with native iD/Epic games (and a few others, coldwar,X3...) or via WINE

 

[GreNME]

That's not what I said or implied. I mentioned the hassle of entering several long statements in a row and how using the GUI is easy in the 2 cases I quoted. I'm not going to bother responding to your whole post because the quoted portion above captures the gist of your misrepresentation.

There's no need to be defensive, I responded not only to your post but to many before and after it, and it seems to have continued by plenty others.

The thing is, I think what you are doing is mixing up administrative or system tasks with regular use in your comparison, hence my focus in my list of the two different systems later in my post. Whether in Windows or in *nix, regular use for me is almost completely done in the GUI. Equally, when I drop down into administrative or system work on the computer I find that my chances of having to go to command line are greatly increased.

By the way: eeyrjmr has a point.

what about all the things that linux can do that windows just insn't capable of?

eg... partitions on a USBstick for starters
fully customisable

Both would certainly be nice on Windows. However, similar to how I don't want Linux (or BSD) to just become another Windows flavor, I don't really want Windows to become another flavor of *nix. I like each for what they are and what they can do, and I even toss OS X in that list for its plusses and minuses-- my CEO was recently convinced to get himself a PowerBook as a solution to having gone through several issues with some Sony laptops, and I totally supported his decision.

Basically, when it gets down to it, the Linux / Windows / OS X / whatever debate is just a glorified Coke-Pepsi match.

 

[qwertyu]

Anyone heard of reactOS? It's a free operating system that it's supposed to emulate winNT, from 5.0+. It's still in alpha, but looks promising.

 

[rhexis]

ive always wondered about this: if ms and its windows os are so evil, bloated, shittay, and just plain sucks why does every linux distro i have seen or tried look like a cheap copy of windows? it would seem to me that if linux was so superior that it would have come up with a better and more novel approach to a gui?
i remember the last distro i tried i think it was redhat actually. once i got it loaded it was a lot slower than windows and it looked like two high school kids had taken acid then sat around trying to reverse engineer windows 2000. i mean it looked like crap and ran like crap to boot.

 

[eeyrjmr]

ive always wondered about this: if ms and its windows os are so evil, bloated, shittay, and just plain sucks why does every linux distro i have seen or tried look like a cheap copy of windows? it would seem to me that if linux was so superior that it would have come up with a better and more novel approach to a gui?
i remember the last distro i tried i think it was redhat actually. once i got it loaded it was a lot slower than windows and it looked like two high school kids had taken acid then sat around trying to reverse engineer windows 2000. i mean it looked like crap and ran like crap to boot.

There are only so many different ways that a user can interact with a PC with
1) 2D screen
2) mouse
3) keyboard

between MS ripping off the GUI from Apple, and Apple ripping it off from Xerox and....

if the shoe fits... wear it

Go have a look at high-end SLR (digi or not) the actual base unit moulding between canon and nikon are virtually the same BECAUSE THEY ARE TO BE USED BY A HUMAN...

oh btw if you think linux desktop's are "cheap copy of windows" (not that windows desktop is a cheap knockoff of OSX ) then wait and see KDE4
Also you are aware you can get replacement shells for windows that are based off linux desktops right (blackbox comes to mind)

 

[Theli]

That's what turned me off to linux for now. I HATE having to go into the freaking xorg.conf file just to change my damn resolution. Even after I'd installed the Nvidia binaries, I'd still have to edit that file just to run my monitor at it's native res. In the end it worked, but crap like that just put me over the top.

You don't really have to edit the xorg.conf to change the resolution.

In Ubuntu 7.04 you run the following command: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", which launches a rather primitive looking but usable wizard that lets you manually set the resolution.
In Ubuntu 7.10 you click 'Administration -> Screens and Graphics' which gives you a nice GUI for setting up the screen(s). Ubuntu 7.10 is also much better at detecting your screens resolution at startup.

In Kubuntu, there has been a GUI for managing screen resolution for quite a while which is why up until now I preferred it over Ubuntu.

 

[eeyrjmr]

most desktops have had a means of changing the res from the GUI for a looog time
problem was they were only changable to what res were coded in hte xorg.conf

HOWEVER since fedora4 or so their gui config for display did all that for you

I really don't get where all this misconception that to use linux you must edit files and used console all the time comes from. Its worse then all the FUD that flew around when Vista was launched

 

[pigster]

if you don't game, I don't see the point of getting windows.

How about industrial automation (PLC, etc), accounting, point of sale, CAD, project management, etc

 

[Theli]

One of Linux's strengths is that its free. But that also ties into a weakness, in that a lot of Linux people run it for the purpose of saving money. If they complain about buying a $400 copy of Vista Ultimate (which BTW, there a much cheaper ways to get) every three or so years, they certainly aren't buying $600 GPU EVERY year, or whole new systems with the latest and great hardware every year. Linux users brag about how much better Linux runs on old hardware and how much better older hardware is supported.

What if they save money on the operating system so they'll have more to spend on hardware?
The problem with arguments like these is that they can be twisted in any way you like. I have personally never seen any statistical evidence to support the assertion that Linux users spend either more or less money on hardware than Windows users do.

I can see two reasons for the lacking hardware driver support.
1. Smaller user base, which means lower priority for support.
2. Computers are generally built for the operating systems that comes pre-installed, so whenever you install a different operating system on a computer than the one that came with it, you may have problems with drivers. Linux comes pre-installed on less desktop computers, which means driver issues will be more common.

 

[rhexis]

There are only so many different ways that a user can interact with a PC with
1) 2D screen
2) mouse
3) keyboard

between MS ripping off the GUI from Apple, and Apple ripping it off from Xerox and....

if the shoe fits... wear it

Go have a look at high-end SLR (digi or not) the actual base unit moulding between canon and nikon are virtually the same BECAUSE THEY ARE TO BE USED BY A HUMAN...

oh btw if you think linux desktop's are "cheap copy of windows" (not that windows desktop is a cheap knockoff of OSX ) then wait and see KDE4
Also you are aware you can get replacement shells for windows that are based off linux desktops right (blackbox comes to mind)

ok taking your digital slr analogy its like comparing a canon 5d with a canon 300d. i own both and while they are both digital slrs, the 5d feels solid while the 300d feels like a cheap plastic toy. its the same thing with windows and linux. linux being the 300d of operating systems. do you recall os/2 aka warp 4? even to this day it looks better than any linux distro out there and was a lot easier to configure. my main point is after all these years linux has been in development it still looks like a cheap knockoff of windows and is no where near ready for the average computer user out there.

 

[Theli]

ok taking your digital slr analogy its like comparing a canon 5d with a canon 300d. i own both and while they are both digital slrs, the 5d feels solid while the 300d feels like a cheap plastic toy. its the same thing with windows and linux. linux being the 300d of operating systems. do you recall os/2 aka warp 4? even to this day it looks better than any linux distro out there and was a lot easier to configure. my main point is after all these years linux has been in development it still looks like a cheap knockoff of windows and is no where near ready for the average computer user out there.

But that's just hyperbole. I could just as well say that DOS has a better looking user interface than OS-X. I may loose all credibility by saying it, just like you have done, but there is no way of disproving my claim.
What eeyrjmr is pointing out is that the window, icon, menu, pointing device user interface is older than both Windows and Linux and that it is accepted as the norm for GUI's at this point. That's not to say that it's the only way to interact with a computer, but I think it is a mold that is very hard to break.

I would say that Ubuntu (or any other modern distribution) running Compiz Fusion is a lot more advanced in terms of window management than anything Microsoft has available at the moment.

 

[rhexis]

those plugins look cool but are about as useful as a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest. i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint? oh and didnt microsoft come out with a more functional use of this and called it surface? again another cheap knockoff brought to us by the minds of linux.

 

[digital_exhaust]

those plugins look cool but are about as useful as a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest. i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint lol

There is a lot more to CF than the cube and fire.... really, there is, but you would need to actually use it to understand the benefits (from a productive standpoint) that it has to offer. I really think most of the available "video's" of CF in use tend to lean towards the wow factor rather than focusing on multiple workspace management and such.... too bad really, but that's how I see it anyhow...

I will tell you this, running Gimp on a 19" monitor is a bitch with a single workspace. Using four workspaces and Expo, you can, in one second with a mouse gesture, view all four open workspaces at once, drag active windows from one to the other, and return to any of the four you choose using only your mouse....

That's just one example, but I'd say there's more to it than "eye candy"

 

[Met-AL]

I would make use of the Dodge and Scale plugin for sure. The cube one, while not "productive" is still a cool way to switch desktops.

 

[digital_exhaust]

I would make use of the Dodge and Scale plugin for sure. The cube one, while not "productive" is still a cool way to switch desktops.

Yep, and that was my point really... I would say that 75% of the available plug in's are really intended to increase productivity, it's the other 25% that seem to get all the attention... eye candy is nice, but not necessary... although, my Ubuntu machine, on ancient hardware and little (512m) memory looks better than my Vista machine on modern hardware...

That in itself is impressive, in my opinion.

 

[Finn]

Personally I hate all desktop eye candy, especially if it means there'll be an animation cutting down 0.5 seconds of my working time with each window open or close.

All those wobbly effects etc. while moving windows.. they suck bigtime and take most vnc apps to their knees when they're trying to draw the lame wobbling while moving windows.

I've recently had to mess with Leopard (to my great discomfort) and I still didn't figure out how to disable all the eye candy possible. The Apple guys tell me its just a matter of time untill I get in the Apple state of mind but for now it just seems a huge pain and nothing can be properly configured (such as having a simple fucking table where to disable the silly effects easily available in the control panel).

 

[eeyrjmr]

ok taking your digital slr analogy its like comparing a canon 5d with a canon 300d. i own both and while they are both digital slrs, the 5d feels solid while the 300d feels like a cheap plastic toy. its the same thing with windows and linux. linux being the 300d of operating systems. do you recall os/2 aka warp 4? even to this day it looks better than any linux distro out there and was a lot easier to configure. my main point is after all these years linux has been in development it still looks like a cheap knockoff of windows and is no where near ready for the average computer user out there.

as was pointed out I was describing the interface methology not mine (or evidently your) own personal opinion on the choice of implementation
it is YOU that thinks that teh 300d is "cheap plastic toy" I never brought into this the build or personal preference (which you have to admit when you get into high-end SLR you are either a Nikon or a Canon user for lifer and nothing will really change that... or you are just a wanna-be with too much money to spend) BUT the whole handgrip and all are pretty much the same USER INTERFACE ...

I personally think that XP interface is fisher-price like and constantly refer to a XP with theme enabled as "fisher-price" the (as you would put it) dated 2k/classic look is much better (but that is my personal view and cannot be disproven by anyone else)

as to interface... it has already been pointed out about compiz-fusion (which I use depending on how stable the CVS build is for testing). Every time some funboi at work goes and praises Vista I just boot my Sabayon LiveCD I carry and all they can say is WOW why can't Vista do that

so if you are going to get all subjective about user interface please at least state what you are comparing what with what and for what usage?

cause for some cases TWM for me is the best WM/DM, sometimes it is Openbox, others it is GNOME horses for courses

 

[Theli]

i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint? oh and didnt microsoft come out with a more functional use of this and called it surface?

Nor is there a strict business need for games, media players or wallpapers. But then again, not everything revolving computers is geared directly towards business.

And while on the subject of Microsoft's table... how is being bent over a $5000 - $10000 table a more functional use than a tool built into the operating system of your computer? And while we're on the topic of business, I'd hate to see the shape of your spine after a day at the office using The Surface.

 

[Met-AL]

And while on the subject of Microsoft's table... how is being bent over a $5000 - $10000 table

Explain this? The 5000 - 10000 table.

 

[Verge]

those plugins look cool but are about as useful as a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest. i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint? oh and didnt microsoft come out with a more functional use of this and called it surface? again another cheap knockoff brought to us by the minds of linux.

the same can be said for a stuipd 3d window+tab switching application

the same can be said for stupid transparent windows... the list goes on and on

 

[:LJ:]

Explain this? The 5000 - 100000 table.

You had too many zeros. And the Microsoft Surface costs between $5k and $10k.

 

[:LJ:]

those plugins look cool but are about as useful as a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest. i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint? oh and didnt microsoft come out with a more functional use of this and called it surface? again another cheap knockoff brought to us by the minds of linux.

Whether you're willing to see it or not, window previews are useful. Fully animated window selection is useful. Multiple workspaces around a transparent cube are useful. Transparent windows are useful.

How do I know this? Because I find them useful, as do the people I've shown (and who subsequently use them). To me, that's all that matters. You'll probably find that nobody is interested in trying to convert you to Linux - you're clearly too narrow-minded to see beyond what you perceive as being pointless features to see the useful ones, and no community really wants that on their side....so there's no need to suddenly get defensive.

And for the record, the graphical enhancements in Compiz/Beryl existed long before the relatively useless bling in Vista, so I don't really understand how you call them a "cheap knockoff".

 

[rhexis]

as was pointed out I was describing the interface methology not mine (or evidently your) own personal opinion on the choice of implementation
it is YOU that thinks that teh 300d is "cheap plastic toy" I never brought into this the build or personal preference (which you have to admit when you get into high-end SLR you are either a Nikon or a Canon user for lifer and nothing will really change that... or you are just a wanna-be with too much money to spend) BUT the whole handgrip and all are pretty much the same USER INTERFACE ...

i think we are heading off topic here but i believe my camera analogy is accurate. the subjective feel of the 5d is vastly better than the 300d such as the subjective feel of vista, to me, is vastly better than any linux distro of the month.

 

[aFive]

as was pointed out I was describing the interface methology not mine (or evidently your) own personal opinion on the choice of implementation
it is YOU that thinks that teh 300d is "cheap plastic toy" I never brought into this the build or personal preference (which you have to admit when you get into high-end SLR you are either a Nikon or a Canon user for lifer and nothing will really change that... or you are just a wanna-be with too much money to spend) BUT the whole handgrip and all are pretty much the same USER INTERFACE ...

I personally think that XP interface is fisher-price like and constantly refer to a XP with theme enabled as "fisher-price" the (as you would put it) dated 2k/classic look is much better (but that is my personal view and cannot be disproven by anyone else)

as to interface... it has already been pointed out about compiz-fusion (which I use depending on how stable the CVS build is for testing). Every time some funboi at work goes and praises Vista I just boot my Sabayon LiveCD I carry and all they can say is WOW why can't Vista do that

so if you are going to get all subjective about user interface please at least state what you are comparing what with what and for what usage?

cause for some cases TWM for me is the best WM/DM, sometimes it is Openbox, others it is GNOME horses for courses

I for example work as an Network Admin, and go to school for netowrking. Older students/professors actually prefer the Windows2000 look vs XP/Vista, one of the reasons they do not like it.
I think that the generations have changed, us younger guys are all about the eye candy. I want to sit there and stare at my sexeh UI while while I am conteplating on actually working today .

Linux was fun to use IMO, it does not have that high of a requirements, thus making it a better choice over any windows platform at some places, it lacks functionality out of the box however. I am not going to spend few hours just trying to get the OS to actually work with my windows based domain, nor am I going to spend time and try to get Windows Apps working on it, we use a ton of custom developed POS apps that barely work on Windows as is .

But besides that, when I am relaxing at home, I want to get on my PC surf the web, maybe do some HW and play some games. I love Office 07, interface is simply superb, I can't stand open office, unless ofcourse I have no other alternative. That right there is a huge no-no already. Even if Linux is more secure, after hours of looking @ pron I haven't found a single piece of spyware on my pc, which is quite surprizing.

Gaming through wine sometimes becomes a pain, and getting everything to work is too much of a hustle, specially when you are as busy as me.

That being said, I simply do not see a reason to switch to Linux right now. There are uses for it, but mainstream is currently not one of them. I have been with Windows since I was 12. With the release of xp/vista it has become great for the most part, for me at least. I get 100% compability with anything that I want to run, which pretty much makes me happy.

 

[rhexis]

Nor is there a strict business need for games, media players or wallpapers. But then again, not everything revolving computers is geared directly towards business.

And while on the subject of Microsoft's table... how is being bent over a $5000 - $10000 table a more functional use than a tool built into the operating system of your computer? And while we're on the topic of business, I'd hate to see the shape of your spine after a day at the office using The Surface.

me thinks you are grasping at straws now. you know as well as i do the surface technology is geared more for the home and hospitality industry than for corporate business use. i would quit any job that forced me to work on a computer table all day unless i had a really hot admin and my own bathroom.

 

[Theli]

me thinks you are grasping at straws now. you know as well as i do the surface technology is geared more for the home and hospitality industry than for corporate business use. i would quit any job that forced me to work on a computer table all day unless i had a really hot admin and my own bathroom.

You were the one who handed me the straws. You complained about Compiz Fusion not being useful for business purposes, and then offered up Microsoft's "The Surface" as a better implementation of its functions.

Remember?

i really dont see a business need for fire painting or spinning a desktop cube around but hey who knows maybe someday people will need to fire paint? oh and didnt microsoft come out with a more functional use of this and called it surface?

It's your example, you explain it.

 

[Whatsisname]

nice

furthermore microsoft did not even develop surface's core technologies, only the product and marketing.

You were the one who handed me the straws. You complained about Compiz Fusion not being useful for business purposes, and then offered up Microsoft's "The Surface" as a better implementation of its functions.

Remember?

It's your example, you explain it.