Im an Apple hater and i bought an iPhone (AKA how the bionic turned me off android)

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So i bought an iPhone... I had a bionic that drove me absolutely insane. That phone had so many issues i still wonder why i never smashed it into a million tiny pieces. If it couldnt find a 4G signal instead of just switching to 3G it would search for a 4G signal and destroy my battery life. Where i work we get no 4g at all and i finally hit my breaking point with it when my pregnant wife had to go to the hospital and i never got the call because my phone decided to go from 100% to dead in 3 hours trying to find 4g.

I have been with android since very early on when i bought the Hero, not when it was a cheap free phone when it was the ONLY android phone sprint had and i have noticed a terrible trend from android over the years. So just to clarify i will break down my phone histroy since then so maybe some of you will get the idea.

Hero - Excellent phone for the time, android was a bit immature at the time but it was a solid phone.

Moment - Garbage support from samsung, slow updates EOL less than a year after release...

Optimus S - Good phone, no support, no updates

Epic 4G - Garbage support, slow updates, premature EOL

Droid 2 - Touchscreen issues, slow to get updates

Droid X - literally the best android phone i ever owned

G2X - Not a bad phone, slow to get updates, randomly rebooted every once in a while and had a really weak headphone jack.

Sensation - Bluetooth streaming was garbage thanks to the stupidity of HTC and their bluetooth drivers, slow to get updates, some performance issues with sense

Bionic - Random rebooting, would sometimes just completely drop signal until i rebooted, if it couldnt find 4g would search until dead within a couple hours, occasionally would have no sound from the speaker at all so i couldnt hear the person on the other line until i rebooted.

When i called Verizon i was told the bionic was "The best android phone available" and that "almost everyone here has one and has no issues at all" and that "VZW and motorola are aware of no issues with the phone at all" funny last week Verizon issued an apology and promised fixes but whatever. I was told that if i sent it in i could get an "equivalent phone" which i was told would be a droid charge (WTF) i asked about the galaxy nexus and was told since it released later than the bionic its not equivalent so no.

So honestly im sick of the shit from android and googles fuck it attitude about it. Carriers sitting on updates for ages. Carriers being able to put whatever garbage apps on the phone you cant remove without rooting. Manufacturers offering little to no support or updates and adding buggy crap UIs on top of things. Manufacturers announcing EOL on phones that are not even a year old when phones are supposed to have 2 year life cycles (Looking at you samsung). Or when manufacturers release a flagship phone then immediately release another and forget about the old one like they did with the bionic.

When google bought motorola i thought they would actually make some changes, take control of the updates, fix these stupid issues.

So when i decided i had had enough of the bionic and went to look at new phones i had to ask myself what i wanted. Not buying a samsung ever again so the GS3 was out, screw motorola and those issues, LG phones are pretty underwhelming and VZW for whatever reason avoids HTC like the plague so that left what?

I have already tried every other OS out there. WP7, blazing fast, No expandable memory + phones with shit for storage never made sense to me and no selection and missing a ton of apps on top of it. Blackberry? LOL... WebOS rocked just had shitty hardware and poorly built phones.

So i arrived at the iPhone... I found a good deal and got one thinking if i hate it i will suck it up and trade it on CL for a GS3. But what i found is a phone that just works right... I plug it into my trucks stereo and dont have to screw with it, i play my music. No fighting with shitty bluetooth drivers or multiple music apps fighting over priority. When i leave work i have 3/4 battery life left.

But the biggest discovery was the quality of apps and games... The first thing i did was hunt down the same apps i had on android or equivalents. The iphone versions where either identical or better. The games on the other hand where almost all better. They run better, many look better and the iphone exclusive games i have found are top notch compared to android. I had always been of the assumption that they where the same but then i stopped and thought about it. You make a game for the iPhone you make it for ONE phone with one chipset and one screen size etc. when making a game for android its all over the fucking place so the dev has to try and hit them all with one single game. Nvidia tried to change this with tegra but i think at this point we all know tegra is overrated.

So yeah... My long winded rant of what led an Apple hater to an iPhone. Who knows maybe the honeymoon phase will end and i will hate it and trade it but so far it just works when i need it to unlike so many android phones i have had.
 

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You could have tried Windows phone like Lumia 900 or better upcoming Lumia 920 if you hate Apple so much.
 

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iphone is pretty cool when i switched to the 4s from a charge i felt the same way, now my daily driver is a gs3 which i am tempted to drop for the iphone 5
 

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I've had both and your either a troll or just flapping your gums!! there is no difference in apps or games when comparing them. Updates? I don't care when they send them. If my phone works then its a case of if it's not broke don't fix it... I worked at a newspaper for years with a mixed computer environment so I've had plenty of experience with apple products. and the thing i learned about them are they are still pcs, just with different problems. same with their phones. So if you've got more money than brains, well I'm sure Apple thanks you! And it will be a cold day in hell before they ever get another dime from me. The phones are over priced junk in a pretty package, with sucky reception. All the other things a smart phone can do are secondary to it being.....of all things....A PHONE!
 

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Fact of the matter is anyone who bought a first gen lte phone got hosed. Thunderbolt, Charge, and Bionic all got shafted. I still blame verizon though, not the manufactures.
 

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The phones are over priced junk in a pretty package, with sucky reception. All the other things a smart phone can do are secondary to it being.....of all things....A PHONE!

Yea, that $200 price tag vs the $200+ prices of other phones is just insane.

:rolleyes:
 

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I'd first say that anyone who found a device they enjoy using is a good thing, and people ought to like what they use.

However, since you've shared your opinion and experience, I'll share mine. Having use iOS devices and Android devices, I would never use an iOS device as my primary phone (or tablet for that matter). Android phones do have issues with updates, but it's a factor of the provider you're on and the particular handset you have--mostly how popular it is. If you pay more for one of the bigger-name phones, you generally get good support and updates fairly quickly. I'm on virgin mobile, so we don't generally have the high-end phones, but my Optimus V was a workhorse, and was better after it was rooted/rom'd. However, I think it's a shame that until you root/rom, experiences of handsets can be pretty crappy.

Apps--there's virtually no difference in core apps.

Lack of control of devices. I know iPhone users like to make fun of this point, but widgets. I couldn't imagine having to use my phone all day everday without the ease of widgets. It's such a small point, but makes such a huge difference. Being able to multitask (not from an OS perspective, but from a UI perspective)--to view my calendar, emails, and weather all simultaneously without having to switch back and forth between app screens is a blessing. To change a setting like bluetooth without having to back out of my current app, go to the home screen, go to the settings app, then go into the general settings, then toggle bluetooth...just tap a BT toggle widget (of course you have to set up the widget first, but that's not very difficult).

Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying Android is a savior OS. In fact, I think the way it's deployed/implemented sucks (vast disparity in quality of devices, OS stability, etc.), but for all of that, I would greatly accept vs. being locked out of basic functionality like in iOS.

It sounds like you just had bad luck with your devices. I'm only on my second Android phone, but both have been fine. No real functionality issues, both have worked well. And both are "low-end" Virgin Mobile devices (LG Optimus V and LG Optimus elite)--but both have worked well. Elite has never been rooted/flashed, and never had an issue other than the stock launcher freezing like once a month (until I started using Go Launcher EX, which has been rock stable). OS Firmware support is meh--mostly nonexistent, but since they work out of the box, I'm not too broken up about that (and let's face it--on sub-$200 devices and a $25/mo plan, I'm not too concerned).

And dude, when you make an app for iPhone, you aren't making it for one device--there are so many iterations of just iPhone hardware out, much less all the other iOS devices out, it's a common misconception that the iOS platform isn't fragmented. Also, there was a study out that showed that iOS apps crash/misbehave more frequently than on Android devices.

In closing, it's laughable to tout Apple's iOS support as being good--just with the release of iOS6 there have already been wifi connectivity issues (one linked to an expected Apple webpage having been deleted that authenticates the connection as being open or having to enter a passphrase, and another that has yet to be fixed for remembering and connecting to wifi networks). Another issue has been widely reported with 4G on iOS6 devices not working properly anymore (a lot of ipad 3 users have reported this), where it was previously working on iOS5. Not to mention widespread issues with people who have gone between iPhone and Android phones and the iMessage service screwing up their SMS receipt/delivery when they go between the phones.

The advantages and benefits of the iPhone, IMHO, died after the 3GS came out. The rest of the smartphone arena began to offer good alternatives. Android has its issues, but to be perfectly frank, iOS has the exact same ones.
 

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It's not the failure of the Android OS directly, you've bought a shitty models which were not reliable, I own a sony ericsson myself (xperia mini) as a replacement for symbian and I never had more reliable and stable phone. Battery lasts for around 2 days and it is very responsive and reliable, I also carry charger with me so any time I have a power socket available I'm back again. While phone was stable in selecting the networks, I have disabled the 3G and 4G networks at all, to prevent any additional battery use, because I want phone for music and calls, no internet shitty stuff being all the time online is not worth it.
I never buy a samsung or LG phone, although I long time ago owned LG that was good, most LG and samsungs I met with, were just crappy and with utter shitty build quality. SE, Nokia and Apple are doing much better in terms of quality either on hardware or software.
Not sure about motorola tho, never owned any and met rarely can't comment on my behalf.
On other hand hope your wife was fine at that time:)
 

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Use what works, I'll second the thought though that you bought some of the not-good Android phones. And you really should've given WP7 a try, every single person I've known that has loved it and stuck with it. You could've bought a used one on craigslist to try out. Apple isn't bad, you just have to live with the downs because you find the ups more important, same as any smartphone. Right now the ups on WP7 outweigh any of the downs and any of the ups for any other platform for me.
 

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I'd first say that anyone who found a device they enjoy using is a good thing, and people ought to like what they use.

However, since you've shared your opinion and experience, I'll share mine. Having use iOS devices and Android devices, I would never use an iOS device as my primary phone (or tablet for that matter). Android phones do have issues with updates, but it's a factor of the provider you're on and the particular handset you have--mostly how popular it is. If you pay more for one of the bigger-name phones, you generally get good support and updates fairly quickly. I'm on virgin mobile, so we don't generally have the high-end phones, but my Optimus V was a workhorse, and was better after it was rooted/rom'd. However, I think it's a shame that until you root/rom, experiences of handsets can be pretty crappy.

... (snipped to keep the reply size manageable)

And dude, when you make an app for iPhone, you aren't making it for one device--there are so many iterations of just iPhone hardware out, much less all the other iOS devices out, it's a common misconception that the iOS platform isn't fragmented. Also, there was a study out that showed that iOS apps crash/misbehave more frequently than on Android devices.

... (snip)

The advantages and benefits of the iPhone, IMHO, died after the 3GS came out. The rest of the smartphone arena began to offer good alternatives. Android has its issues, but to be perfectly frank, iOS has the exact same ones.

I have to say: while you're making a fairly cogent argument, you're also trying to excuse an inherent, major flaw with Android while exaggerating the problems iPhone users face.

Why is it okay that certain Android phones get poor support and perform badly, while others don't? Why should you be denied certain hardware-independent apps, or left open to certain security vulnerabilities, simply because you lost the phone selection lottery? Most normal people don't read Engadget every day and know which phones come from OEMs with a (relatively) good track record for fast devices and long-term upgrades. Companies should be following Apple's lead here: offer updates for the entire contract life of the phone, if not longer, and develop hardware that you know will last for that lifecycle.

Likewise, arguing "just root it or install a different launcher" is a crutch that normal users not only don't know about, but should never, ever, ever have to consider to get their phone working as it should.

On the Optimus V front: my brother has one, and it has so little RAM that it's already giving warnings about low memory when he does text messaging, just several months into ownership. He's getting a Galaxy Nexus (a far better phone with stock Android) partly to avoid that problem.

There's a big difference between Android fragmentation and iOS fragmentation. If you're developing just for the iPhone, you have three resolutions to support -- 480x320, 960x640, and 1136x640 -- and even apps only developed for the first resolution will still run on the other two as they were meant to run; they're just not optimized. Want to support the iPad? Apple has just two resolutions, and like before, apps written for the bottom spec run on the higher spec. The platform was built from the ground up to support "universal" apps that unfold from iPhone size to a truly optimized iPad form -- that's why there's 300,000 iPad-native apps out of a store of 700,000.

In Android, the advantage of sheer diversity becomes a real problem for developers: just among phones, there's 320x240, 400x240, 480x320, 640x480, 800x480, 854x480, 800x600, 960x540, 1024x768 and 1280x720, along with a resolution or two I'm probably missing. And while it's to Google's credit that certain generic elements scale gracefully across that whole range, a lot of specific components don't. More importantly, those resolutions are attached to wildly varying performance levels, physical screen sizes and OS versions, even for devices released within weeks of each other. A 4.7-inch HTC Sensation XL has the same 800x480 resolution as a 4.3-inch Galaxy S II, but you've got visibly different interface size targets and speed expectations. Even developing for the lowest common denominator guarantees that you'll miss a large swath of devices.

The playing field for apps has levelled quite a bit, but there are still major developers (mostly game developers like Epic) that refuse to develop for Android because it would involve either diluting the experience too much or excluding a large portion of the market. Apple's kind of fragmentation requires about a week or two of mild optimization; Google's can permanently bar you from running apps that were released before your phone was even announced. It's the price you have to pay for getting the exact form factor you want and letting carriers as well as third-party OEMs dictate the quality of your platform.
 
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Fact of the matter is anyone who bought a first gen lte phone got hosed. Thunderbolt, Charge, and Bionic all got shafted. I still blame verizon though, not the manufactures.


I just retired my thunderbolt and I had purchased it on launch day. Other than battery life I had absolutely no issues with it, it's a solid phone.


I don't think I could go from 4G phone to a 4s, so slow. But the iphone 5 is a pretty great device.
 

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Apple marketing at it's best!

Not to go on another diatribe, but why is there a growing subsection of the Android fan base that now interprets anything good said about iOS (or bad about Android) as an Apple marketing ploy? People are allowed to discuss major Android failings and a preference for iOS without being company moles.
 

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Don't own any android phone so your argument is invalid, nice try zealot of the apple church.
Too many supposed android users popping up and suddenly praising apple.
It's a phone ,get over it.
Like someone said above blame the service provider not the phone.
 

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Who cares who is to blame for a phone not getting an update? At the end of the day, the user still is waiting for an update that was announced at least six months before they even can think about getting it (f ever). I own a SGS2 and am over android and their updates. Its a great phone but what you buy is what you get for the life of the phone.

My next phone will be either an iPhone or a WP8. I hope Microsoft can pull it off but I have my doubts.
 

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I like how the OP never tried to escalate the issue with verizon -- either you had bad hardware or a borked ROM or something.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease - and if your phone was seriously crapped out (No production cycle is 100%) then you should have done more to bitch to Verizon. I don't know how [H]ard you are but you never once tried to root your phone and see if a custom rom might fix your issues? It's well known that all carrier roms include bloat and crapware that only slow you down and cause more problems than they fix.

It really sounds like you just had a bad phone -- you've had many droid phones and say they were all great, one phone comes along and totally destroys your thinking of the OS because of more than likely faulty hardware?

iOS is great for people that just don't give a damn. I'm not saying that as an insult, but since you took no measure to try and solve the problem software wise on your old phone... you should feel 100% at home in the apple environment.

Some like customizing, discovering, and fixing things -- others like to have their clothes picked out for them by mom and have their hand held throughout the day.
 

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I like how the OP never tried to escalate the issue with verizon -- either you had bad hardware or a borked ROM or something.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease - and if your phone was seriously crapped out (No production cycle is 100%) then you should have done more to bitch to Verizon. I don't know how [H]ard you are but you never once tried to root your phone and see if a custom rom might fix your issues? It's well known that all carrier roms include bloat and crapware that only slow you down and cause more problems than they fix.

It really sounds like you just had a bad phone -- you've had many droid phones and say they were all great, one phone comes along and totally destroys your thinking of the OS because of more than likely faulty hardware?

iOS is great for people that just don't give a damn. I'm not saying that as an insult, but since you took no measure to try and solve the problem software wise on your old phone... you should feel 100% at home in the apple environment.

Some like customizing, discovering, and fixing things -- others like to have their clothes picked out for them by mom and have their hand held throughout the day.
Honestly, his experience with the Bionic is very similar to all of the stories I've heard. Hell, I got a Bionic on launch day and expected it to be Moto's best phone for at least 6 months. Boy was I wrong. The first few versions of software were very rocky - had a tough time holding data if you were constantly moving from tower to tower. There would be a just awkward period in between where you had no data and all the phone would show is basic access (voice only basically)

By the 3rd or 4th SW release, it got better but my experience with the phone had really soured my taste...not to mention Motorola announcing the Razr. I had a chance to get a GNex for cheap and couldn't be happier. The phone doesn't maintain 4G connectivity as well as the Razr, but having an unlocked bootloader is gold to me
 

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There's a big difference between Android fragmentation and iOS fragmentation. If you're developing just for the iPhone, you have three resolutions to support -- 480x320, 960x640, and 1136x640 -- and even apps only developed for the first resolution will still run on the other two as they were meant to run; they're just not optimized. Want to support the iPad? Apple has just two resolutions, and like before, apps written for the bottom spec run on the higher spec. The platform was built from the ground up to support "universal" apps that unfold from iPhone size to a truly optimized iPad form -- that's why there's 300,000 iPad-native apps out of a store of 700,000.

In Android, the advantage of sheer diversity becomes a real problem for developers: just among phones, there's 320x240, 400x240, 480x320, 640x480, 800x480, 854x480, 800x600, 960x540, 1024x768 and 1280x720, along with a resolution or two I'm probably missing. And while it's to Google's credit that certain generic elements scale gracefully across that whole range, a lot of specific components don't. More importantly, those resolutions are attached to wildly varying performance levels, physical screen sizes and OS versions, even for devices released within weeks of each other. A 4.7-inch HTC Sensation XL has the same 800x480 resolution as a 4.3-inch Galaxy S II, but you've got visibly different interface size targets and speed expectations. Even developing for the lowest common denominator guarantees that you'll miss a large swath of devices.

The playing field for apps has levelled quite a bit, but there are still major developers (mostly game developers like Epic) that refuse to develop for Android because it would involve either diluting the experience too much or excluding a large portion of the market. Apple's kind of fragmentation requires about a week or two of mild optimization; Google's can permanently bar you from running apps that were released before your phone was even announced. It's the price you have to pay for getting the exact form factor you want and letting carriers as well as third-party OEMs dictate the quality of your platform.

This is a common misconception about Android and iOS. I thought the same thing before I read this article. Android's development tools allow you to make an app for one resolution and have it work with any other resolution. It automatically scales up and fills the empty spaces (the same way that the web browser reflows text when you zoom in). Apple, on the other hand, requires you to recompile your code to support a new resolution (like the new iPhone), otherwise there will be black bars to crop the image.

iPhone 5's terrible letterbox show Apple's apathy for developers http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPho...box-show-Apples-apathy-for-developers_id34764
 

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Don't own any android phone so your argument is invalid, nice try zealot of the apple church.
Too many supposed android users popping up and suddenly praising apple.
It's a phone ,get over it.
Like someone said above blame the service provider not the phone.

If it's just a phone, then you can accept that some may genuinely dislike Android or Windows Phone and prefer iOS. You can also accept that people can be disillusioned in both directions; otherwise you're just trying to construct an argument that people will "naturally" switch from iPhones to other platforms, but never the other way around. (For what it's worth: I use both a Galaxy Nexus and an iPhone 5)

The Droid Bionic was a bad phone, and reflective of problems still at Motorola's core: an insistence on having technology quickly rather than doing it well, and a muddled phone strategy that prefers flooding the market with models rather than cutting its losses. Imagine if you bought a Droid Bionic, only to see the Droid RAZR arrive weeks later with a thinner design and none of the teething bugs that plagued its ancestor (apart from bad battery life)? Or to get burned by the RAZR MAXX arriving shortly after that, which finally offered reasonable battery life on LTE? That and having to wait until Jelly Bean basically ready to go before pushing out Android 4.0... does anyone want to put money down on whether or not the RAZR M/HD/MAXX HD actually get Jelly Bean before 2013, as promised? Motorola's track record doesn't inspire confidence.
 

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This is a common misconception about Android and iOS. I thought the same thing before I read this article. Android's development tools allow you to make an app for one resolution and have it work with any other resolution. It automatically scales up and fills the empty spaces (the same way that the web browser reflows text when you zoom in). Apple, on the other hand, requires you to recompile your code to support a new resolution (like the new iPhone), otherwise there will be black bars to crop the image.

iPhone 5's terrible letterbox show Apple's apathy for developers http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPho...box-show-Apples-apathy-for-developers_id34764
Why did you have to put facts into a debate? It should be based purely on subjective personal experiences. :p
 

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You could have tried Windows phone like Lumia 900 or better upcoming Lumia 920 if you hate Apple so much.

Read the post, i said i tried WP7. I bought the HTC arrive on launch day, it is a good OS but its just as locked down as the iphone with not even 1/10th of the apps. Its also running on very old hardware vs the competition with the same price tag but the biggest issue is MS chose to go with no expandable memory then the manufacturers decided not to make phones with more than 16GB. My phones double as my mp3 player and music for my car WP7 just dont cut it at all.

I also bought an HD2 after mango released to try it and while it was better the same issues as before kept me away.

Out of curiosity, had you tried any 3rd party ROMs like CyanogenMod?

I have used well over a dozen custom ROMS including CM. Look at the list of phones i had, most never even got an official port of CM and the ones that did got them pretty late. CM is nice, MIUI was pretty sweet on the droid X even though it had a couple issues. To be perfectly honest custom roms have always been the answer to my issues over the years but its been very very rare that i install a custom rom and dont deal with some quirk or bug that eventually turns me off from that rom.

I've had both and your either a troll or just flapping your gums!! there is no difference in apps or games when comparing them. Updates? I don't care when they send them. If my phone works then its a case of if it's not broke don't fix it... I worked at a newspaper for years with a mixed computer environment so I've had plenty of experience with apple products. and the thing i learned about them are they are still pcs, just with different problems. same with their phones. So if you've got more money than brains, well I'm sure Apple thanks you! And it will be a cold day in hell before they ever get another dime from me. The phones are over priced junk in a pretty package, with sucky reception. All the other things a smart phone can do are secondary to it being.....of all things....A PHONE!

Like i said instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming I CANT HEAR YOU like a little child pick up a fucking iPhone and compare. Most are the same like i said but the few that where different definitely favored the iPhone. Im not going to argue this its purely my observation. My mobile banking app has more options the game i play the most ROB looks 10x better and has a ton more animations on iphone. Then you get games like infinity blade 2 that look better than anything android has to offer.

Don't own any android phone so your argument is invalid, nice try zealot of the apple church.
Too many supposed android users popping up and suddenly praising apple.
It's a phone ,get over it.
Like someone said above blame the service provider not the phone.

Dont own any android phone? Search my posts...

I like how the OP never tried to escalate the issue with verizon -- either you had bad hardware or a borked ROM or something.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease - and if your phone was seriously crapped out (No production cycle is 100%) then you should have done more to bitch to Verizon. I don't know how [H]ard you are but you never once tried to root your phone and see if a custom rom might fix your issues? It's well known that all carrier roms include bloat and crapware that only slow you down and cause more problems than they fix.

It really sounds like you just had a bad phone -- you've had many droid phones and say they were all great, one phone comes along and totally destroys your thinking of the OS because of more than likely faulty hardware?

iOS is great for people that just don't give a damn. I'm not saying that as an insult, but since you took no measure to try and solve the problem software wise on your old phone... you should feel 100% at home in the apple environment.

Some like customizing, discovering, and fixing things -- others like to have their clothes picked out for them by mom and have their hand held throughout the day.

I took no measure? 7 fucking calls to verizon.................. Finally one guy said he would overnight me a GS3 and i thought the issue was fixed, instead of a new phone i got a call from his supervisor 2 days later who said the things i quoted in the OP and treated me like total shit.

Since you obviously dont know shit about the bionic do some homework every issue i listed is a COMMON and KNOWN issue for this fucking phone. I tried every custom ROM, some would fix one issue and others would pop up. The ICS leak was damn near perfect except it would still search for 4G until death.

This phone was a big fucking deal, heavily marketed then they released it full of issues and almost immediately launched the razr line and ignored it.

There are 2 common things i have gathered from the android fans in this page.

1. Is that it was MY job to fix the phones i have had

2. The phones i got where bad phones? Most where flagship, best available at the time phones. how the hell does that make any sense?

This is whats wrong with android, not fragmentation. Its a good OS but the carriers and manufacturers keep screwing it up. Blaming the carrier for issues is fucking retarded. Google could take control of the update process like Apple does theres nothing stopping them. They could have streamlined this shit long ago but with their policy of "do whatever the fuck you want" has ruined everything.

"Its just a phone" is not a sensible response either. Anymore phones are a big decision. Its a device you carry with you every day and when you buy one you are expected to hang on to it for 2 years until you renew your contract and upgrade. Phones are supposed to live in 2 year cycles but the manufacturers and carriers barely support them for half that long.

What you get is someone selling you something that works for the most part but has issues that may or may not be fixed and god knows when if at all. This has never been an acceptable practice yet somehow its acceptable with games and smartphones and people still defend them.

Lastly for those that want to keep thinking the bionic is a good phone and i just got a dud. Its so good moto issued an apology and "promise" to fix it. A year after its release and all the bullshit issues we have put up with and we get an apology and a promise?
 

Snotrocket

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So i bought an iPhone... I had a bionic that drove me absolutely insane. That phone had so many issues i still wonder why i never smashed it into a million tiny pieces. If it couldnt find a 4G signal instead of just switching to 3G it would search for a 4G signal and destroy my battery life. Where i work we get no 4g at all and i finally hit my breaking point with it when my pregnant wife had to go to the hospital and i never got the call because my phone decided to go from 100% to dead in 3 hours trying to find 4g.

If you live where 4g is spotty you can turn it off in the settings.

I have had a Bionic since they came out and have had zero problems with it. It has never once randomly rebooted.

The Bionic is essentially the same phone as the Razr but with a removable battery.
 
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Touch screen issues on the Droid 2? Did we have the same phone? That was probably one of the best touch screens I used.
 

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Touch screen issues on the Droid 2? Did we have the same phone? That was probably one of the best touch screens I used.

Google is your friend... I fucking hate that nonsense "I never had the issue so it don't exist".
 
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Have fun with all those iOS exclusives. iOS has the strongest support of them all, especially from big name developers like Epic.
 

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1. Is that it was MY job to fix the phones i have had

2. The phones i got where bad phones? Most where flagship, best available at the time phones. how the hell does that make any sense?

It makes sense because you are supposed to indefinitely wait "another two months" for the next new hot phone to come along, then buy that one.
 

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You could have tried Windows phone like Lumia 900 or better upcoming Lumia 920 if you hate Apple so much.

Lumia 900 owner here. 16 GB of space (same as most iPhone friends of mine), blazing fast performance due to an incredibly optimized OS, and this phone's been off the charger since 0400 this morning, had WiFi and LTE going all day, several calls, heavy web surfing, texting and about 30 minutes of music in my truck, and I've still got about 15% battery left, 15 hours later.

My wife will likely get the Lumia 920 next month and I'm downright green with envy over it LOL. She'll have everything I've got now, plus WP8 OS, SD storage on top of the 32 GB of internal, better hardware...yeah, I'm jealous of her.
 

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Out of curiosity, had you tried any 3rd party ROMs like CyanogenMod?

Not so easy on the Bionic, but what I want to know is did the OP try one of the ICS leaks? Did ANY of you hating on the Bionic try one of the ICS leaks? ICS proves once and for all that the Bionic is NOT a bad phone.
 

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Bought a crappy Motorola and now hate android? How is that Android's fault?
 

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Not so easy on the Bionic, but what I want to know is did the OP try one of the ICS leaks? Did ANY of you hating on the Bionic try one of the ICS leaks? ICS proves once and for all that the Bionic is NOT a bad phone.

That question was already answered and with ICS the bionic is an OK phone and sadly too many issues still persist.
 

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Bought a crappy Motorola and now hate android? How is that Android's fault?

I am glad you took the time to actually read what i had to say... Oh wait, you read the thread title and came to your own conclusions. :rolleyes:

I have had a flagship phone from every manufacturer, they all sucked in one way or another some more than others.

Oh, and lets not forget that Motorola is owned by fucking google FFS. Motorola should be the pinnacle of android perfection not the crap it is today.
 

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I have to say: while you're making a fairly cogent argument, you're also trying to excuse an inherent, major flaw with Android while exaggerating the problems iPhone users face.
I never exaggerated problems iPhone users face. And likewise, essentially burying your head in the sand when it comes to hearing issues with iOS/iphone doesn't mean they don't exist.

And I agree--the "just root it" response from a lot of people is, IMHO, a dumb solution. I agree, one shouldn't have to root/rom to get the performance you want--but in that case, I would say that the person just didn't buy the correct phone (unless they are a tiny portion of the consumer market with high mod requirements, etc.). I even said that my current Android phone, I haven't rooted/flashed a rom and it performs just fine--and that's for a low-end sub-$200 phone (that's retail, not subsidized, fwiw). For whatever reason, I think you just got unlucky with your handsets.

Now don't get me wrong--I'm not inherently defending Android. In fact, the thing that users benefit from is also its downside--the diversity in hardware platforms.
 

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Have fun with all those iOS exclusives. iOS has the strongest support of them all, especially from big name developers like Epic.

Considering Epic hasn't made a good game since, i don't know, Unreal Tournament 2004? I mean, its sure nice to have all those big name developers on the board, if only their games weren't so mind-numbingly boring.

Meanwhile, on Android:

http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start
 

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Man some of the responses show how bad the Android community really is at times. Thus why XDA is the cesspool that it is. You can also tell who the one click root/ROM kiddies are because they know nothing about the status of CM (or AOSP in general) on phones where it's incredibly hard to get that support. Those are the people who don't have a clue what ADB is.

To hear somebody leaving Android for iPhone after using a Bionic, Charge, or Thunderbolt is entirely believable. Charge was just a pure piece of crap. The Bionic was shit especially with it being so late and having a locked bootloader. Thunderbolt was OK (I picked mine up on release day) but the battery life was beyond abysmal and support has been non-existent. Any of those phones could have soured somebody on Android.

Honestly, some Android fans need to get off their high horse (as do most Apple fans since most answers about iOS issues and missing features require jailbreaking) and realize that rooting and ROMing isn't the answer to everything. Not to mention only a very small percentage of people want to do that. My wife has a Droid RAZR. Great phone. It was solid with Android 2.3.6. It's even better with Android 4.0.4. However, now Verizon and Motorola are both keeping their mouths shut about Android 4.1.1 which the RAZR could very easily run since it's specs are nearly identical to the Galaxy Nexus. Guess what? Rooting and ROMing her phone is not an answer to that issue because I'm not dealing with bypassing the bootloader and mucking with kexec enabled kernels simply for a hacked together kang of CM10.

There is a silver lining to Android OEM's though which could potentially mean faster updates in the future provided the carriers get off their asses and move faster too.

HTC seems to have realized that it's better for them to focus on 3-4 models only. This was seen with the One Series. Unfortunately for HTC though they seem to have pissed in Verizon's Cheerio's at some point because they're a second class citizen on Verizon's network which is why the Droid Incredible 4G was the watered down One S it was.

Samsung is moving towards just their Galaxy line. They're big enough though to have many other devices for mid/low end markets. However, making the SGS3 identical across all markets in the US was brilliant.

Google's influence on Motorola is already being seen. They're cutting back on the number of phones they offer and they are now offering "developer" phones. Hopefully, the developer phones slowly become Nexus like with easily unlocked bootloaders.

Apple maintains control of their device and can push new versions of iOS when they want. Google will never have that type of control unless it's a Nexus device.
 

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Man some of the responses show how bad the Android community really is at times. Thus why XDA is the cesspool that it is. You can also tell who the one click root/ROM kiddies are because they know nothing about the status of CM (or AOSP in general) on phones where it's incredibly hard to get that support. Those are the people who don't have a clue what ADB is.

To hear somebody leaving Android for iPhone after using a Bionic, Charge, or Thunderbolt is entirely believable. Charge was just a pure piece of crap. The Bionic was shit especially with it being so late and having a locked bootloader. Thunderbolt was OK (I picked mine up on release day) but the battery life was beyond abysmal and support has been non-existent. Any of those phones could have soured somebody on Android.

Honestly, some Android fans need to get off their high horse (as do most Apple fans since most answers about iOS issues and missing features require jailbreaking) and realize that rooting and ROMing isn't the answer to everything. Not to mention only a very small percentage of people want to do that. My wife has a Droid RAZR. Great phone. It was solid with Android 2.3.6. It's even better with Android 4.0.4. However, now Verizon and Motorola are both keeping their mouths shut about Android 4.1.1 which the RAZR could very easily run since it's specs are nearly identical to the Galaxy Nexus. Guess what? Rooting and ROMing her phone is not an answer to that issue because I'm not dealing with bypassing the bootloader and mucking with kexec enabled kernels simply for a hacked together kang of CM10.

There is a silver lining to Android OEM's though which could potentially mean faster updates in the future provided the carriers get off their asses and move faster too.

HTC seems to have realized that it's better for them to focus on 3-4 models only. This was seen with the One Series. Unfortunately for HTC though they seem to have pissed in Verizon's Cheerio's at some point because they're a second class citizen on Verizon's network which is why the Droid Incredible 4G was the watered down One S it was.

Samsung is moving towards just their Galaxy line. They're big enough though to have many other devices for mid/low end markets. However, making the SGS3 identical across all markets in the US was brilliant.

Google's influence on Motorola is already being seen. They're cutting back on the number of phones they offer and they are now offering "developer" phones. Hopefully, the developer phones slowly become Nexus like with easily unlocked bootloaders.

Apple maintains control of their device and can push new versions of iOS when they want. Google will never have that type of control unless it's a Nexus device.

What gets me is when android fans say shit like "Haha you have to jailbreak to get the feature we have" then go on to tell people "You should have rooted and put on a different ROM before criticizing that phone or call it bad" Hypocrisy at its best i guess.

I still like android a lot just sick of dealing with the issues. If it where a tablet i wouldnt care i would screw with it and fix whatever needed fixed but for my phone its just getting old. I need my phone to work.
 

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Disposed, if I had the list of phones you had, I would have been on the iPhone a LOT sooner. I'm one of the biggest advocates of Android, have been since Cupcake, but the vitriol I'm seeing here is just astounding. Vermillion said it best; People one-click root and think they know the OS. It's like the AOL kiddies years ago who thought they were hackers because they had little phishing programs.

How many times on here have we seen people say "OH, just install Cyanogenmod on it!" for every single damn phone, like CM was a universal fix for every model out there? Or that some CM builds weren't utter and complete shit? CM isn't a magical unicorn thatcomes down and shits magical gold dust onto your phone, transforming an Optimus V/S/M/T/One into a GNex.

Lets look at the list that Disposed had to work with:

- The Hero was a decent phone for what and when it was, I had one and I loved it (for the time). Had pretty good Dev support: Flipz' first phone and got him started with his excellent roms.

- The Moment was ALMOST as bad a phone as Samsung has EVER put out, on par with the Charge. We repaired or replaced so many Moments at Sprint, we actually had RUN OUT of refurbs for months on end, replacing them with other (better) models. And what did Samsung do? They quickly brought out a replacement for the Moment, the Intercept. That was THE worst phone Samsung put out, and I'd say one of the two worst American Android phones of all time, right next to...

- The Optimus S. This little piece of crap made me & my girl nuts for about 9 months, before we ditched Sprint and got her an iPhone. We went through 9 of these before we had our ETF waived, and I did so many replacements for customers in store, I didn't even bother repairing them. The only positive thing I could even think of saying about this phone was that the grey & purple were two smart color choices. That's it. OH yeah, and CM BLEW on this device. One of the buggiest CM releases I've seen, but I can't even blame the person who ported it over, as it was too difficult to tell what bugs were hardware vs software. Oh, and there were maybe 2 people working on custom roms for this phone. A loser on all fronts.

- The Epic 4G. I was given this phone a month early, and worked closely wit the Samsung rep re: the Galaxy S' US release. I liked the phone a LOT, but I still swapped it the first chance I could for an EVO. I never had to deal with the shit software updates, as I was rooted from day 1, but I could only imagine the frustration involved.

Droid 2 - No experience, but heard horror stories. I wanted one pretty damn bad, myself. Was looking to get the GSM radio unlocked to use on another carrier, but gave up after no progress was made.

Droid X - coworker had it, and while I wasn't a fan, he loved his.

G2X - Another phone I wanted for myself, but at the time the people who bought it were FURIOUS. Constant reboots, horrible battery life, no support from LG... If you had a good one, you had a great phone. Unfortunately ones that were built correctly were few & far between. Dev support for this was fantastic though.

Sensation - Stock, this phone was a HUGE dud, but one of the most developed phone of all time. This is the only phone I would have suggested the root/rom cure-all being a complete fix.

Bionic - Everything bad said about this phone couldn't even begin to describe the actual issues. Delayed for what, months? Released as the end-all be-all phone and it was obsolete within TWO MONTHS by the RAZR. Abandoned by Verizon, they outright rejected updates from Motorola, to get people to buy newer phones. If I was unlucky enough to buy one, I'd have been as pissed as Disposed was. This right here is a shining example of why I would NEVER use Verizon's cell service. They actively bent over every customer who purchased this phone in good faith.
 

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<snip for length>

LG just sucks at making phones. I'll never buy one and I could never in my right mind recommend one. Even if there's an LG Nexus I would avoid it like the plague because it's LG.

With Verizon if you want to get anything done right you have to call them and ask for Customer Loyalty. Don't talk to anybody else. CL is where you get things done. That's how I got my upgrade 5 months early after the bullshit with grandfathered unlimited data, the Share Everything Plans, and the loophole allowing you to keep unlimited by paying full price.

The Bionic thing though was just horrible especially since Verizon treats the Droid line like the second coming of Christ unless it's an HTC phone.

The one-click root people have an insane sense of entitlement too. Quite obscene. I've seen a number of developers abandon phones due to the sense of entitlement. That sense of entitlement also makes them incredibly quick to criticize even though they know NOTHING about Android in reality. They simply know 4.1.1 is better than 4.0.4 but they have no idea why.

what does this even mean..... I am confused.

Some vendors (LG for example) have completely awful drivers. The music software fighting for priority would be say having PowerAMP installed on CM10 and Apollo constantly popping up to play music instead of PowerAMP after a phone call.

Now that's just an example. That doesn't mean Apollo and PowerAMP are actually problematic.
 
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