id Software's Official DOOM3 Benchmarks

And this says nothing of how my 9700Pro non overclocked will run it. Damnit i need 1280*1024...else it looks bad on my monitor...DAMNIT.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
So that explains the 450...I still don't remember which one was 435...
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Those were the clock speed reports i was getting off nV News a while back. They said they were shipping at 400/425/435/450.

I've got about every 6800 review thats been posted so i can maybe find one at 435Mhz.
 
SuperRob said:
That's the most ridiculous conclusion I've heard so far. All this means is that the drivers are crippling an otherwise decent card. OpenGL is ATI's problem, always has been. But your facts don't support your conclusion that the chip design is less efficient. In fact, all the EXPERTS have always said that ATI's design is MORE efficient, if anything.
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Sorry, a 350MHz card smoking a 520Mhz card makes the 350Mhz card MORE EFFICIENT.
 
Relo@d said:
Just a question... or observation? But didn't Nvidia sponsor Doom3? They would have had a jump on tweaking drivers for doom3, but they never tweaked or cheated on drivers before so why would they start now. ;) This is also why its in opengl, because they knew ATI didn't focus on opengl... How clever, they deserve a cookie. :) The truth of the matter is, the x800 line isn't dead..... opengl is... how many games these days do opengl.... mostly nvidia sponsored games, hhhmmm! in their own world and benchmarks "they rock" But when it comes down to, all the games across the board in todays modern 3d engine "D3D" Nvidia drops the ball. So I'm impressed, I've built dozens of machines and have used the card that best fits the persons budget regardless of who made them, I've used just as many ATI as Nvidia and both draw good graphics but, when Nvidia can "fund" a project so it's written in their "preferred engine" and then tweak drivers for them, and then offer benchmarks based on their own numbers... and still come out ahead.... they are gods.... of something yesteryear. Bravo.... The lack of multiplayer blows and to be honest with all of you, The ati peeps should protest games nvidia does this with... cough, cough.. farcry also, And say "if thats who they are going to write the game for...poohy on you!" And everybody with a ATI shouldn't buy them so we can all see how many games sell when Nvidia buys their way into your pc, By the way fanboys "weight broke the wagon" :D

I used to love nvidia, but there business pratices are a disgrace... And theres nothing I want to own from a company like them!
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Yeah Call of Duty ( OpenGL ) sucked! Moron. NVIDIA hasn't dropped the ball in D3D either. OpenGL is alive and well. Quake 4 will surely suck too! RTCW sucked too! You are not a gamer and know nothing.
 
Cali3350 said:
And this says nothing of how my 9700Pro non overclocked will run it. Damnit i need 1280*1024...else it looks bad on my monitor...DAMNIT.
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I'm sure you will be able to run 1280x1024 on your 9700 pro. You probably wont be able to max out the eye candy though.

Were not sure yet what fps is going to actually be "playable" in DOOM3.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
This is so unbelievably fucked up on so many levels.

1. Doom isn't sponsored by Nvidia.
2. OpenGL isn't dead...just trust me on this one, it's alive and well and powering some of the most important graphics applications on the planet. It's harder to use, that's why most people don't use it for games anymore. Except geniuses like John Carmack.
3. This wasn't benchmarked in Nvidia's world, it was done in id's. And they are about as hardware agnostic as it comes.
4. Nvidia has never funded a graphics engine. The most they do is offer help and $$ to implement the latest features like PS3. And ATi does the same, it's a common practice.
5. There is no "lack of multiplayer" multiplayer is there, but this isn't Unreal Tournament, it's supposed to be dark and scary and sneaky so it's a little different. Quake 4 will be based on the D3 engine and fill the multiplayer gap.
6. Crytek is also adding 3Dc support to Farcry, which is an ATi technology.

You need to completely revise a lot of your opinions here, cuz you are very clearly fucked up.
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He is a complete idiot. Yeah, John Carmack picked OpenGL to screw over ATI! Guess he has never heard of GL Quake. Moron. Carmack has been all OpenGL since THE BEGINNING.
 
burningrave101 said:
If the card DOESN'T exist and it was never announced then then why has the X800XT came up in several different spec sheets on different sites for ATI's lineup and how would Anandtech know its suppost to be clocked at 500/500???

And its been said several times here on HardOCP that ATI is going to ship the X800XT to OEM's such as Dell.

The 6800 Ultra's have ALSO been shipping at all different clock speeds. They dont all ship at 400Mhz. They've shipped at 400/425/435/450. The current ones were all reference design as well and were made at the same facility and distributed to 3rd party vendors.
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Which spec sheets do you see an X800 XT agp like the card Anandtech had in that review? I'm very much interested in finding out about such a beast if you can point me to some information on it. Anyway, for reference the X800 XT shipping to Dell (along with other OEMs) is a pci-e based card. This much is admitted to on ATI's website.

Also the fact that you see NV40s clocked in excess of 400Mhz really doesnt mean much as those cards aren't labeled as simply "6800 Ultra" (I believe nVidia is the one that prevents this from happenings). It has to be named something else like "BFG 6800 Ultra OC" and gainwards 7800 super pulverizer edition whatever!! I mean come on, nVidia has already admitted the 6800 Ultra (400Mhz edition!) is their flagship and not the extreme.

You know what, go here http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?AID=188 and report back to me asap.
 
burningrave101 said:
I would have to do some digging in my reviews to find out but those are the speeds they've been shipping at.

The original XFX 6800 Ultra was shipping at 450Mhz. Alot of the other Ultra's have shipped at 425Mhz and 435Mhz.



http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03ODkmdXJsX3BhZ2U9NA==
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Retail XFX 6800Us are shipping at 425/1100.

The only Ultras that I know of that are shipping past are the Golden Sample Gainwards [430].

I don't see what all the hubbub about stock overclocks is anyway. My eVGA OCed past the majority of XFX/BFG GTs out there.
 
gordon151 said:
Which spec sheets do you see an X800 XT agp like the card Anandtech had in that review? I'm very much interested in finding out about such a beast if you can point me to some information on it. Anyway, for reference the X800 XT shipping to Dell (along with other OEMs) is a pci-e based card. This much is admitted to on ATI's website.

Also the fact that you see NV40s clocked in excess of 400Mhz really doesnt mean much as those cards aren't labeled as simply "6800 Ultra" (I believe nVidia is the one that prevents this from happenings). It has to be named something else like "BFG 6800 Ultra OC" and gainwards 7800 super pulverizer edition whatever!! I mean come on, nVidia has already admitted the 6800 Ultra (400Mhz edition!) is their flagship and not the extreme.

You know what, go here http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?AID=188 and report back to me asap.
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Check out Spodes Abode. They have a GPU guide with specs for all the current ATI and nVidia hardware and the X800XT and X800XT PE are both listed. I'm too tired to go track down the link.

And the 6800u's that shipped at 400/425/435/450 were labeld as just 6800 Ultra. Not OC or Extreme or anything else. Check nV News for people that actually got them. Then look at the review for the XFX 6800 Ultra i just posted and read the front of the box. Nowhere does it say Extreme. The eVGA 6800u Extreme says Extreme on the front of the box.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2126&p=2

The Asus 6800u ships at 425Mhz and the Albatron at 410MHz.
 
ATI == PWNED.

Maybe if all the ATI fanboys would have STFU about Farcry NVIDIA owners wouldn't be rubbing this STUNNING DEFEAT in their faces. But, ATI winning FarCry was a 520MHz card beating a 400MHz card....not a 350MHz card beating a 520MHz card!
 
Is it just me, or is nothing showing up on the link? I just see an empty space (no graphic benchmarks or anything...no text).
 
Cant wait to see some AMD benchies.
Will be interesting to see if the 2+ghz A64's can kick some ass in Doom3 over the 3+ghz P4's :D
 
ced06 said:
Is it just me, or is nothing showing up on the link? I just see an empty space (no graphic benchmarks or anything...no text).
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Yup same here. It displayed just fine a few hours ago. Maybe this is when [H] performs system backup or something and they lose some functionality during this time. Dunno. Check back in a little bit.
 
ced06 said:
Is it just me, or is nothing showing up on the link? I just see an empty space (no graphic benchmarks or anything...no text).
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follow it from the front page, link doesnt seem to work quite right in that post, noticed same thing
 
Sniper_Merc said:
follow it from the front page, link doesnt seem to work quite right in that post, noticed same thing
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Right you are. The link on the front page works but the link in #1 of this thread, although appears to an identical URL , doesn't work right.

I noticed the same thing a couple days ago when [H]'s Steve posted some highlights from the forums on the main [H] page but the links ended up displaying just the outter frame of the [H] page format, no actual content beyond that.
 
Phew, looks like I will be able to turn on some eye candy even with this card.
 
evilchris said:
ATI == PWNED.

Maybe if all the ATI fanboys would have STFU about Farcry NVIDIA owners wouldn't be rubbing this STUNNING DEFEAT in their faces. But, ATI winning FarCry was a 520MHz card beating a 400MHz card....not a 350MHz card beating a 520MHz card!
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I just got a great quote from the beyond3d forums which has been added happily to my sig.
 
I think the reason a lot of people don't understand the huge stink over this ONE benchmark and ONE game is that they simply were not around at the beginning. A lot of younger gamers or newer ones don't really have a grasp of how important Id Software is.

Anyone who was a Duke Nukem 3D fanatic remembers when the demo for Quake was released. They also remember the first time they saw that game running GLQuake on a Monster3D card from 3dfx. It was one of those moments, when everyone, even people who don't play games all stopped what they were doing and watched the PC for an hour. And the whole world collectively said, "That's amazing."

Id Software was there when mainstream 3D accellerated gaming started. Even though there's a million other game companies, Carmack and Id still call the shots. His company is damn near the Elvis of computer games. There were games before, and games after, but Quake defined the genre forever. Even Valve and the Half Life team owe everything they are to Id and the Quake engine.

I'm not a fanboy of Id in particular. But you can't deny the history.
 
I hate to say it, or maybe I don't. After a few rounds of ATI, nvidia has a product taht captivates me as much as the r300 series did.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
I registered just to post in this thread. I'm already [H]Lite...lol
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well actually.. haven't you already come and gone before ;)
 
evilchris said:
Sorry, a 350MHz card smoking a 520Mhz card makes the 350Mhz card MORE EFFICIENT.
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Not entirely. The 6800's have far more transistors.

Originally Posted by burningrave101
People dont realize the 6800u isn't even the PE's counterpart. Its the 6800u extreme. ATI announced the PE because of nVidia working on a 6800u extreme.
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Not when they are the same MSRP.

You could say the same thing about the 6800 GT. It was made because the X800 Pro was serious competition for the 6800U in some games.
 
hmm...i could swear somewhere in the rule stickies around here, that you should refrain from childish name calling...
 
CraftyOtter said:
Yup same here. It displayed just fine a few hours ago. Maybe this is when [H] performs system backup or something and they lose some functionality during this time. Dunno. Check back in a little bit.
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There is a difference in the 2 links. The link in the 1st post of this thread that doesn't work is http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy and the link on the [H] front page that works is http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy

Notice the www2. Maybe the site was getting hammered and they had to mirror it?
 
SCSI-Terminator said:
Kyle:

Since Mr. Carmak has mentioned that the sound engine is entirely CPU dependant, I'm currious what the sound settings were used in your benchmarks. This might be implied in with the terms "High Quality", "Medium Qaulity" and such. But as none of us here have the game yet, so we don't know what settings these terms imply. Perhaps your full in depth article will be more complete.

Anyways, I'm currious what the differences are between full 5.1, 2 channel stereo, and no sound at all, on framerates.


You may now resume your ATi vs nVidia flamewar :D
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Heh, the interesting thing to note is I can't remember which one of them said this(Carmack or Duffey) but apparently the CPU usage by the sound engine is less than those supposed "3d" sound cards (and for this game all you need is 5.1 sound out since EAX is worthless for doing 3d sound effects beyond positioning and some reverb not based on geometery at all and apparently not being used). So hopefully don't have to worry too much about the sound effecting the game.
 
Okay...see if you think this is as funny (and sad) as I do...

Someone just sold an ATI x800xt-PE on ebay for $930...they guy payed that much because he wanted to have it in time to play D3 :p

Does anyone else think its kind of sad that for the same money he can buy an 6800GT now...then when SLI becomes available he can purchase another and be set for a LOOONG time?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5108192044&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT

Oh well. I guess some people are just too impatient to see the benchmarks...
I'm glad I cancelled the x800 PE I had on order. If anyone is looking for a a "cheap" one they have them at eCost.com for 450.
 
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Advil said:
Anyone who was a Duke Nukem 3D fanatic remembers when the demo for Quake was released. They also remember the first time they saw that game running GLQuake on a Monster3D card from 3dfx. It was one of those moments, when everyone, even people who don't play games all stopped what they were doing and watched the PC for an hour. And the whole world collectively said, "That's amazing."
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Except for me and several people I knew. First came out the graphics were kinda nice but unfortunately multiplayer wasn't quite as fun as Duke3D. Heh, so back in high school we kept on playing Duke3D (we tried out Quake multiplayer but didn't learn to appreciate the DM in there at that time and also only 4 players (heh before learning about dedicated servers or the switch you run the exe with to get more :p )). That was untill I happened to stumble upon Team Fortress while playing some multiplayer on MPlayer. Heh, quickly brought that to school and we were playing it all the time. But, there was no wow look at those amazing graphics. Now Quake 2 in GL mode looked nice (GLQuake kinda looked ugly in its default with those light balls and besides high res and fast framerate wasn't anything great since wasn't made with it in mind like Quake 2 was).
 
Wow. I just got finished reading this thread and I feel as though I just finished reading War and Peace, of course without the same level of quality writing.:p Anyway, I have to hand it to Kyle and [H]ardOCP for their cool little benchmark, and I have to give a big hand to them for going the extra length and working on a Doom 3 [H]ardware guide as well. I like the fact that Kyle is actually going to be doing some testing on older cards as well. I have Ti4200 (which is dying and I will be building a new system hopefully soon) and my little brother still runs a GF3 since his/family computer always gets the hand-me-downs of my old system(s). So when I buy the game, I'm glad I will have such a great source of reference. I've been eagerly awaiting Doom 3 and am still deciding on what hardware to put in my future rig as well, and I'm proud of [H]ardOCP's efforts to do some quality testing. So good work Kyle and the [H]-Team.

As for the ATI vs. NVidia thing, c'mon children we can all play the games together, no need for slamming, flaming, pointless arguing etc. NVidia has definitely made a great accomplishment here, but there is no reason for ATi owners to feel remorseful about their cards, they are still excellent cards that play games very well, and there is no need to try and make them feel remorseful. This kind of competition would help the vide card companies push each other even harder, which we will definitely benefit from.

I think the reason a lot of people don't understand the huge stink over this ONE benchmark and ONE game is that they simply were not around at the beginning. A lot of younger gamers or newer ones don't really have a grasp of how important Id Software is.

Anyone who was a Duke Nukem 3D fanatic remembers when the demo for Quake was released. They also remember the first time they saw that game running GLQuake on a Monster3D card from 3dfx. It was one of those moments, when everyone, even people who don't play games all stopped what they were doing and watched the PC for an hour. And the whole world collectively said, "That's amazing."

Id Software was there when mainstream 3D accellerated gaming started. Even though there's a million other game companies, Carmack and Id still call the shots. His company is damn near the Elvis of computer games. There were games before, and games after, but Quake defined the genre forever. Even Valve and the Half Life team owe everything they are to Id and the Quake engine.

I'm not a fanboy of Id in particular. But you can't deny the history.
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I totally agree, it seems that not that many people on these boards actually played most of id's games when they were released. I remember playing Doom and Doom 2, then Heretic, Hexen, etc. Then I played Duke Nukem 3D by 3D Realms and thought it was the greatest, then id came back with Quake and it totally blew me away. I went down and bought the shareware version, and my neighbor across the street wanted to see it so bad that he actually paid for the registration for the full version (at that time id tried a new approach to their registration and had the entire game on the shareware CD but you had to "unlock" it by calling them and they would give you an unlock code, we were on the phone for like 45 minutes, lol) so I could play the full game. He said he would make me work it off by having me do yard work at his house but he never asked me to, so I got lucky on that one.:p So id definitely has a great track record, not to mention that their work (game engines etc.) live on for a long time too, I'm not afraid to say I'm a bit of a fanboy, but I guess like you said, you just can't deny the fact that they make awesome games, and in most cases they end up raising the bar. I guess I'll stop being a little bit of a fanboy once all their games and all the games based of their engine suck, but I don't see that happening soon, which can only be good for us.:D
 
evilchris said:
NVIDIA's driver won't improve?
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I'm not saying they won't improve, but nvidia cards already have superb opengl performance; how much better could they possibly get?
ATI on the other hand has always had crappy opengl performance, which means more room for improvement. Now that such high profile opengl games are coming out, I'm guessing their driver team will start paying a little more attention to opengl.
 
wow people, get ahold of yourselves. Yes, nvidia is much much better at D3 right now, but this isn't a "stunning defeat" for ATI users, nor is it some kind of "gigantic victory" for all nvidia users. It can only be a victory/defeat for the people that designed/built the cards.

What we need is one huge team deathmatch game, fanboys vs. fanboys. Winner takes all. Let me go set my server up, hold on... ;)
 
I don't know if Kyle is reading this, but if so, there's a few minor corrections to be made.

On the "DOOM 3 AGP Timedemos" page, second paragraph, below the first graph it says "Our 6880s", should be "Our 6800s".

A little lower on the same page, 3rd paragraph, "The NVIDIA GeForce 6800Ultra surely stands head and shoulders above all cards in this particular run when you calculate in the price point on the 6800GT compared to our other two leading cards."... I believe this is supposed to read "The NVIDIA GeForce 6800GT..." because it's the GT that has such a good price / performance ratio, not the 6800 Ultra. It might be clearer as, "When you calculate in the price point on the 6800GT compared to the two other leading cards, it clearly stands head and shoulders above them in this particular run."

Fourth paragraph on the same page, "Bring down the resolution..." should read
"Bringing down the resolution"

Sorry if this is nitpicky but hey, "daddybigwords", right? It's my job! :)
 
^eMpTy^ said:
This is so unbelievably fucked up on so many levels.

1. Doom isn't sponsored by Nvidia.
2. OpenGL isn't dead...just trust me on this one, it's alive and well and powering some of the most important graphics applications on the planet. It's harder to use, that's why most people don't use it for games anymore. Except geniuses like John Carmack.
3. This wasn't benchmarked in Nvidia's world, it was done in id's. And they are about as hardware agnostic as it comes.
4. Nvidia has never funded a graphics engine. The most they do is offer help and $$ to implement the latest features like PS3. And ATi does the same, it's a common practice.
5. There is no "lack of multiplayer" multiplayer is there, but this isn't Unreal Tournament, it's supposed to be dark and scary and sneaky so it's a little different. Quake 4 will be based on the D3 engine and fill the multiplayer gap.
6. Crytek is also adding 3Dc support to Farcry, which is an ATi technology.

You need to completely revise a lot of your opinions here, cuz you are very clearly fucked up.
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Dude you remind me of the wendy's "unofficial spokesman dork"
 
I think Kyle may have done a little ass grabbing himself in order to get the DOOM 3 exclusive ;)

Any chance of showing off some screenshots? Doesn't matter whose card, I just wanna see how doom 3 looks on today's top hardware.
 
Well im not to proud to admit it :eek: I just got Fuckin owned by Nvidia lmao :p I knew that ATI were going to have problems running openGL games but dam 20% from an X800XTPE what the hell are ATI up to?
Its starting to look abit like the FX fiasco in reverse and This time its the X800 Series being trounced?
Well there would be some pretty pleased 6800GT owners at the moment.And im glad i held out on getting a card.

and a BIG thanks goes out to Brent and kyle.Great review guys keep up the great work.This is why the [H] Rocks over all the rest ;)
 
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