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Ocellaris said:
Your fan failed because those aren’t designed to run a 100% duty cycle for an extended period of time, not the angle. It’s a cheap laptop where they cut corners everywhere.
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mine have been running 24/7 since about the same time. Not a single problem. That fan failed early by any reasonable measure.

How close to ROI did you get on the laptop anyway? For me its just a backup laptop so I don't actually need it. I wouldn't mine on anything I truly need.
 
mkrohn said:
mine have been running 24/7 since about the same time. Not a single problem. That fan failed early by any reasonable measure.

How close to ROI did you get on the laptop anyway? For me its just a backup laptop so I don't actually need it. I wouldn't mine on anything I truly need.
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well like I said, I only really mined on it overnight since I used it much of the day and wasn't worth it to switch between mining and not multiple times daily. I think I made about $20, so 5%. Enough to cover like 5 fans :-D No real regrets though. Still never ran over 70c. Investing in some GPUs though so this can be used as a laptop again.
 
mnewxcv said:
is 8 hours that long though (while i sleep)? I'm pretty sure the fan is at 100% when I game on it too, and it is after all a gaming laptop.
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I just realized this is the same thread we originally warned people against mining on laptops....

Post 328 you started mining on your Omen laptop on December 23. You got a whopping 2 weeks or so?
https://hardforum.com/threads/ick-nicehash-down.1949787/page-9#post-1043394054

Games are not 100% duty cycle. There's level loading sections, FMV cutscense, and generally significantly less load on CPU and GPU --- and just overall heat buildup would be considerably less gaming for an hour or two vs. mining overnight. I suspect you weren't undervolting the 1060 in the laptop either. That thing was just cooking itself to death, and the little fan that couldn't --- didn't'.

I'm not surprised it failed - I'll admit I'm slightly surprised it failed so soon. You'd expect even a sleeve based laptop fan to last significantly longer than that (six months? -- maybe a year?) -- must have simply got too hot and cooked the fan bearing.
 
mkrohn said:
mine have been running 24/7 since about the same time. Not a single problem. That fan failed early by any reasonable measure.

How close to ROI did you get on the laptop anyway? For me its just a backup laptop so I don't actually need it. I wouldn't mine on anything I truly need.
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I'll agree the fan shouldn't have failed in two weeks - but let's check back in six months....

you guys better hope the fan is the only component you damage with the heat buildup.

"Hey - guys I've driven my car at redline every day for the last two weeks - it hasn't blown the engine yet." :p
 
Archaea said:
I just realized this is the same thread we originally warned people against mining on laptops....

Post 328 you started mining on your Omen laptop on December 23. You got a whopping 2 weeks or so?
https://hardforum.com/threads/ick-nicehash-down.1949787/page-9#post-1043394054

Games are not 100% duty cycle. There's level loading sections, FMV cutscense, and generally significantly less load on CPU and GPU --- and just overall heat buildup would be considerably less gaming for an hour or two vs. mining overnight. I suspect you weren't undervolting the 1060 in the laptop either. That thing was just cooking itself to death, and the little fan that couldn't --- didn't'.

I'm not surprised it failed - I'll admit I'm slightly surprised it failed so soon. You'd expect even a sleeve based laptop fan to last significantly longer than that (six months? -- maybe a year?) -- must have simply got too hot and cooked the fan bearing.
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Again, not really sure. It was a 1050ti underclocked, not a 1060, but it wasn't the GPU fan that failed but the CPU fan. Temps never got over 70c so I don't know. Just a cheap fan. Wish laptop fans were modular so I could get a decent one in there.
 
I've got the second 1080 ti in. So i have 1x FE and 1x MSI. When I run them both, the MSI only runs at 1544mhz no matter what tdp i set it at, the FE runs normal. I should have more than enough power with my PSU in sig. Also temps on both cards are below 70C. I'll switch their placement on the MB and see if that helps. Anyone ran into this issue?
 
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I've got the second 1080 ti in. So i have 1x FE and 1x MSI. When I run them both, the MSI only runs at 1544mhz no matter what tdp i set it at, the FE runs normal. I should have more than enough power with my PSU in sig. Also temps on both cards are below 70C. I'll switch their placement on the MB and see if that helps. Anyone ran into this issue?
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unlink power and temp limit in afterburner and slide the temp limit to the max.
 
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unlink power and temp limit in afterburner and slide the temp limit to the max.
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Ewww to what end?

I unlink and set my temp limit at 75 on MSI afterburner these days on my 1080ti.

If the card is thermal throttling to 1544mhz, there’s a reason.

For a quick thermal test point a box fan at your card or turn the fan to 80% manual setting temporarily to see if the temperature drops if that unlocks and if that unlocks the MHz cap a bit.

On my 1080ti cards I target 65% power target and low to mod 1600mhz core. (Say 1610-1640 range)
 
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Archaea said:
Ewww to what end?

I unlink and set my temp limit at 75 on MSI afterburner these days on my 1080ti.

If the card is thermal throttling to 1544mhz, there’s a reason.

For a quick thermal test point a box fan at your card or turn the fan to 80% manual setting temporarily to see if the temperature drops if that unlocks and if that unlocks the MHz cap a bit.

On my 1080ti cards I target 65% power target and low to mod 1600mhz core. (Say 1610-1640 range)
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the card is below 70C *shrugs*
 
mnewxcv said:
unlink power and temp limit in afterburner and slide the temp limit to the max.
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This was it. I had the temp limit down to 75 C. Even though it was below that it was still throttling. Everything is working now. Thanks!
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Off topic real quick, but I plan on gaming on it, too. I bought an HB SLI Bridge but since the cards are different sizes it didn't fit (oops lol). I read up and 2x regular sli ribbons will work.

Got the temps down and now they are really cooking. I have them at 90% tdp, cards are both below 70c. My office/ computer room has an attached attic that has a vent to outside, so its freezing in here.. I just leave it open and it stays around 40F in here for the time being.

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Ziontrain said:
Off topic real quick, but I plan on gaming on it, too. I bought an HB SLI Bridge but since the cards are different sizes it didn't fit (oops lol). I read up and 2x regular sli ribbons will work.

Got the temps down and now they are really cooking. I have them at 90% tdp, cards are both below 70c. My office/ computer room has an attached attic that has a vent to outside, so its freezing in here.. I just leave it open and it stays around 40F in here for the time being.

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what clock speeds?
 
Wish I had a better setup for this. I am still just messing around with it and haven't invested anything. I have a whole 1 burst and .0028.. BTC How does the payout work from Nicehash? At .1 does it just auto-pay to the wallet you setup? I've been doing it a few weeks.. month? not really sure.

I still have quite a ways to go but it says:
Next payout 2020-04-02 05:28 (changes because i start/stop as i use the computer. It was 2019-09-02 before I stopped it.)
Payout amount 0.10011302 BTC
 
Outlaw85 said:
Wish I had a better setup for this. I am still just messing around with it and haven't invested anything. I have a whole 1 burst and .0028.. BTC How does the payout work from Nicehash? At .1 does it just auto-pay to the wallet you setup? I've been doing it a few weeks.. month? not really sure.

I still have quite a ways to go but it says:
Next payout 2020-04-02 05:28 (changes because i start/stop as i use the computer. It was 2019-09-02 before I stopped it.)
Payout amount 0.10011302 BTC
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I think they payout once a day. For the external wallets it may be once a week. So at the time they will payout for you, the estimate you will have that much. It doesn't pay on exactly 0.1,but when you hit the next payout time/day after hitting 0.1.
 
https://www.nicehash.com/help/when-and-how-do-you-get-paid

For internal wallets with a balance greater than 0.001 or external wallets greater than 0.1, they pay out daily.

For external wallets with a balance greater than 0.001 but less than 0.1, they pay out whenever the hell they feel like it.

Whatever your balance is at the time they process payments is what they give you, less their fees, provided it's at least the minimum.
 
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So... I should have setup an internal wallet is what your saying? lol

I am going to guess I can't change my wallet with them without losing earn coin.
 
Outlaw85 said:
So... I should have setup an internal wallet is what your saying? lol

I am going to guess I can't change my wallet with them without losing earn coin.
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I asked the same question a few days ago. Some say one way, some say the other. I took the advice to use NH wallet and withdraw to coinbase (no fees) daily. And whatever you have earned that hasn't been paid, well just use that address now and again to keep it active and hopefully the payout threshold for external wallets will decrease from .1btc.
 
mnewxcv said:
I asked the same question a few days ago. Some say one way, some say the other. I took the advice to use NH wallet and withdraw to coinbase (no fees) daily. And whatever you have earned that hasn't been paid, well just use that address now and again to keep it active and hopefully the payout threshold for external wallets will decrease from .1btc.
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They did payout 0.01 externals earlier this week, but they also raised the fee for them to 5%.
 
Dang. lol Thanks for the clarifications though.

I'm just doing this on current gaming hardware (4770k and gtx980) when I'm not using it so the coin earned is not much at all . I'm only at .0028 or $46.66... I'd give it more effort if I didn't only have old hardware (c2q's, xeon 5xxxx, gtx 660, gtx 460 and 2x8800gts).

Woot! LOL
Daily estimated earnings (4770k / gtx980): ~$3.50 (.000219 btc)
Daily estimated earnings (10core L5series Xeon): ~$1.29 (.00008 btc)
 
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In case anyone was looking for a case, these rosewill cases are supposed to be great. I just ordered a couple

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192182483504

if you spend over $200 from rosewill on ebay by adding to ebay cart, you get $25 off. I bought 2 cases and the $6 100pk of zip ties for $180 shipped. They have 3 cases left it looks like.
 
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mnewxcv said:
In case anyone was looking for a case, these rosewill cases are supposed to be great. I just ordered a couple

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192182483504

if you spend over $200 from rosewill on ebay by adding to ebay cart, you get $25 off. I bought 2 cases and the $6 100pk of zip ties for $180 shipped. They have 3 cases left it looks like.
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For GPU mining? You'going to have to mod that to get more than 2 or 3 cards in there. This one would be more suitable, but it's hard to find in stock. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147270
 
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ryan_975 said:
For GPU mining? You'going to have to mod that to get more than 2 or 3 cards in there. This one would be more suitable, but it's hard to find in stock. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147270
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meant to post this as well, I ordered these to go with it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1731197.0

~$160 for a case that can hold 7 cards essentially.

but apparently the case isn't hard to mod, the drive cages just come out with screws. I prefer something cleaner and without having to drill, so I ordered those inserts.
 
I have 4 Rosewill LSV-4500 + Spotswood GPU bracket 4Us. I prefer them over the crate route with 0 reservations.

mnewxcv You are correct. It is a 15 minute job to remove the unnecessary front-end components, and perhaps 30 minutes to install the bracket. No drilling necessary. It turns the LSV-4500 into a true density solution. With the H110 Pro BTC+ for example, i can do 9 full form factor dual slot cards.

However: the key to acceptable thermals is creating as effective a wind tunnel in the case as possible. I used x3 120mm Corsair SP 120mms here, but plan to replace all the build 120mm fans with NoiseBlocker 120mms which can do almost 100CFM each. The 120mm Gentle Typhoons are also an option.

Here is one of my 9 card 1070 Ti builds warming up:
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Elkwood I have come to appreciate the 4U extended form factor The drop-in bracket turns that specific Rosewill LSV-4500 into the perfect solution. It definitely puts out the heat - it's been a good feet warmer :D

mnewxcv I do indeed have the cards turned down, but even farther than that. I found best hash/watt to be @60% TDP (+- a few %). At 60%, each card does 115w but maintains 480-500H/s and an aggregated average ~4.3ish H/w efficiency according to DSTM.

So, all in all, 115x9 = 1035ish for the GPUs. Killawatt likes to sit on around an average of ~1175w.
 
Why not just use a simple wire rack and zip ties?

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Super easy to setup and troubleshoot (one monitor on a USB/DVI or HDMI switch and you can manage all rigs.)

Much cheaper ($35 for a four shelf rack)

Easier to cool (I can use one 20” round floor fan on low speed to cool all racks —— so no expensive, loud, high CFM 120mm fans necessary.

Easier to expand GPUs (8, 12, 16 cards on a single shelf - can wrap cards all the way around the shelf if needed)

Can use multiple smaller cheaper PSUs per rig instead of one big expensive one.

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To me the only con for a metal rack is it would be more difficult to pick up and move.

One could argue cosmetics are a con too - I suppose if you don’t have a utility/HVAC room to put the cards in.


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Archaea said:
Why not just use a simple wire rack and zip ties?

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Super easy to setup and troubleshoot (one monitor on a USB/DVI or HDMI switch and you can manage all rigs.)

Much cheaper ($35 for a four shelf rack)

Easier to cool (I can use one 20” round floor fan on low speed to cool all racks —— so no expensive, loud, high CFM 120mm fans necessary.

Easier to expand GPUs (8, 12, 16 cards on a single shelf - can wrap cards all the way around the shelf if needed)

Can use multiple smaller cheaper PSUs per rig instead of one big expensive one.

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To me the only con for a metal rack is it would be more difficult to pick up and move.

One could argue cosmetics are a con too - I suppose if you don’t have a utility/HVAC room to put the cards in.


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Yours looks clean, but I prefer an enclosure. I went with the wire rack setup over the summer but this time around I want something, like you said, more aesthetically pleasing and easy to move if need be. Also, because it isn't in a separate room (will serve as a heater in bedroom until it warms up) I don't want the dogs and cat poking their head where they shouldn't.
 
I like the enclosure idea because you can direct the cooling and heat. Here is Florida I have almost no choice but to use A/C if I continue to mine. Some options include using very low settings so each card is consuming much less power thus heat while maintaining profitability (that really depends on the current status of the Crypto market). For Winter time using it as a heater is basically power being put to much better use and really using a heater in a home would be wasteful compared to using heat from mining cards to heat up the place.
 
In the summer an enclosure would definitely be nice to be able to possibly even direct the heat outside my house. I'm just getting started for now, and since it's winter I'm fine starting out with the wire-rack method, since I had an extra one of those sitting around in my basement anyway.
 
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Through my work I have access to metal fabricators. Would a custom case be of interest? If so I'd be happy to collaborate on a design to get some quotes to work out some kind of group-buy. Given the prices I've seen for even open-frame racks on Amazon, it's possible this fabricator would be fairly competitive for an actual case.
 
yowen said:
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Through my work I have access to metal fabricators. Would a custom case be of interest? If so I'd be happy to collaborate on a design to get some quotes to work out some kind of group-buy. Given the prices I've seen for even open-frame racks on Amazon, it's possible this fabricator would be fairly competitive for an actual case.
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Look at the insert I linked to for 60 bucks. That plus a case is 160 round numbers. If they can beat that by a significant margin then maybe. Also have to consider shipping costs. I think if you had someone able to design something modular it might be a winner. Something you can expand with your expanding gpu fleet. Idk. Others chime in.
 
mnewxcv said:
Look at the insert I linked to for 60 bucks. That plus a case is 160 round numbers. If they can beat that by a significant margin then maybe. Also have to consider shipping costs. I think if you had someone able to design something modular it might be a winner. Something you can expand with your expanding gpu fleet. Idk. Others chime in.
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I'm thinking if it's unpainted (I think it's cheaper if I have it zinc-plated, rather than powder coated), could be under $100 shipped and if it were stack-able, that'd be pretty cool, that would make it modular.

Perhaps something that houses 8 gpu's, a motherboard and a PSU. And something that's designed to have 120mm fans both front and rear.
 
mnewxcv said:
Look at the insert I linked to for 60 bucks. That plus a case is 160 round numbers. If they can beat that by a significant margin then maybe. Also have to consider shipping costs. I think if you had someone able to design something modular it might be a winner. Something you can expand with your expanding gpu fleet. Idk. Others chime in.
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Actual 4U rack cases with roller slides. I find used racks for dirt cheap on craigslist.

Ideally, my setup will have a hot and cold isle. Everything exhausts in to the hot idle which will be direct vented outside. Cold isle will be just that, cool/cold air. You can buy blank plates for unused rack space, seal it off as much as possible. This is how Switch has their datacenters. It'll take a little framing in my spare bedroom, but it'll be a hell of a lot more efficient dealing with the heat. A small portable A/C unit that vents it's heat in to the hot isle would work perfectly.
 
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