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i7 vs i5

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hollandbk

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whats this new i5 proc and socket i'm hearing about, I just shelled out 600 for a i7 and 1366 motherboard but i'm hearing that i5 and its socket will be more mainstream, say it aint so :(
 
what worries me is if it is marketed as more mainstream will the 1366 socket procs be fazed out
 
dont be stupid, the i5 is gonna be the downgraded i7 stuff. if anything, you should be pleased its not new higher end stuff coming next.
 
Why should we be pleased? This means all "upgrade" paths are just downgrades rofl.
 
um, because both sockets are gonna be around for a while...its VERY unlikely gulftown will be released on LGA1156, so no hex-core upgrade for them. Nor do they get the third memory channel, nor do they get x16/x16 SLI. LGA1366 is the top socket, and its going to stay that way for a while.
 
Yea, but also means some of us i7 ppl (yeayea, still waiting on the board release) are gonna be bored for a while too.
 
I dont like this at all. Seems more of a marketing ploy to keep folks from OC cheap chips to get close to the benifits of high end chips. LGA 775 seemed to have a great deal of this, like the Q6600. I really think this is going to back fire on Intel. It may create unessisary confusion on what exactly the consumer is purchasing.
 
mstersmith1 said:
I dont like this at all. Seems more of a marketing ploy to keep folks from OC cheap chips to get close to the benifits of high end chips. LGA 775 seemed to have a great deal of this, like the Q6600. I really think this is going to back fire on Intel. It may create unessisary confusion on what exactly the consumer is purchasing.
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Only if you have been living under a rock...and don't you think hardware sites will tell it like it is?
 
Just be happy with what you have...grass will always be greener on the other side.
 
Intel is doing with i5/7 what AMD tried with socket 754/939/940, physically splitting the diferent market segments (budget/mainstream, mainstream/high-end, server) using different, incompatible sockets.
 
Elledan said:
Intel is doing with i5/7 what AMD tried with socket 754/939/940, physically splitting the diferent market segments (budget/mainstream, mainstream/high-end, server) using different, incompatible sockets.
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Keeping it simple is no longer an option.
 
i7 is a dual socket CPU without a socket. i5 is a single socket CPU in a single socket. WTF is so difficult about this concept that NOBODY can fucking understand it? Its not that fucking hard.
 
GLSauron said:
i7 is a dual socket CPU without a socket. i5 is a single socket CPU in a single socket. WTF is so difficult about this concept that NOBODY can fucking understand it? Its not that fucking hard.
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If it has no socket, how do you install/seat it?
 
GLSauron said:
i7 is a dual socket CPU without a socket. i5 is a single socket CPU in a single socket. WTF is so difficult about this concept that NOBODY can fucking understand it? Its not that fucking hard.
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:confused:
 
I think intel is retarted in creating 2 sockets. it's just a plain waste of resources and more incompatibility. they should just make a mainstream i7 with integrated mem controller but low cache and lower ghz. they coaul also introduce certain chipsets to allow for ddr2 instead of ddr3 on i7 to make mainstream more affordable. A second socket is plain dumb.
 
criccio said:
:confused:
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+1
If what he MEANT to say was that:
i7 = High end, tripple channel DDR3, socket 1336
i5 = Mainstream, dual channel DDR3, socket 1156

Then he choose an terrible wording...if not, his post makes no sense.
 
Atech said:
+1
If what he MEANT to say was that:
i7 = High end, tripple channel DDR3, socket 1336
i5 = Mainstream, dual channel DDR3, socket 1156

Then he choose an terrible wording...if not, his post makes no sense.
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Dual socket 1366 boards ARE coming, though. Can't say the same about 1156. ;)
 
Wow. Dual Gulftown (sexacore + HT) processors. Now that sounds fun. :D
 
hollandbk said:
whats this new i5 proc and socket i'm hearing about, I just shelled out 600 for a i7 and 1366 motherboard but i'm hearing that i5 and its socket will be more mainstream, say it aint so :(
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Its simple. With the memory controller on the chip, different types of memory have different number of pins.

LGA-1156 = Dual Channel DDR3 = Core i5 = Mainstream Desktop
LGA-1366 = Triple Channel DDR3 = Core i7 & Xeon = High end Desktops & Dual Processor Servers
LGA-1567 = Quad Channel FB-DIMM = Beckton = High end Multiprocessor Servers
 
GLSauron said:
i7 is a dual socket CPU without a socket. i5 is a single socket CPU in a single socket. WTF is so difficult about this concept that NOBODY can fucking understand it? Its not that fucking hard.
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"I'm a people person. I deal with the customers so the engineers don't have to. Don't you get that? What the hell is wrong with you people!"
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-office space

it just reminded me of that for some reason.
 
brom42 said:
Its simple. With the memory controller on the chip, different types of memory have different number of pins.

LGA-1156 = Dual Channel DDR3 = Core i5 = Mainstream Desktop
LGA-1366 = Triple Channel DDR3 = Core i7 & Xeon = High end Desktops & Dual Processor Servers
LGA-1567 = Quad Channel FB-DIMM = Beckton = High end Multiprocessor Servers
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Thank you, that basically sums up the whole strategy :)
 
GLSauron said:
i7 is a dual socket CPU without a socket. i5 is a single socket CPU in a single socket. WTF is so difficult about this concept that NOBODY can fucking understand it? Its not that fucking hard.
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Quote worthy of a sig lol :p:D

"I'm a people person. I deal with the customers so the engineers don't have to. Don't you get that? What the hell is wrong with you people!"

-office space
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That, too :D

The similarity is that both are incredibly ironic, and hilarious at that
 
Atech said:
Then he choose an terrible wording...if not, his post makes no sense.
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No, I said exactly what I meant to say. LGA1366 is designed primarily for DUAL socket operations. Using it in SINGLE socket operations is "a dual socket CPU without a socket".

And DDR2 and DDR3 are both 240 pins.

To explain further on LGA1366, by leaving the PCI-E controller on the "northbridge" (its really just a QPI->PCI-E (DMI being a 4 lane PCI-E connection) bridge, it reduces the duplicate parts on the CPU. Multi-socket operations are more memory intensive (as are server apps), thus the third memory channel. The only downside to this being the lack of a GPU in a standard configuration. A discrete GPU will have to used, either in a PCI-E slot or using PCI-E and built into the motherboard.

With LGA1156, neither is really important. One socket (and the desktop usage model) reduces memory bandwidth demands significantly. By removing the third channel, Intel can make a smaller die. By moving the PCI-E controller onto the CPU socket, they can reduce the chip count (goodbye expensive northbridge), and better utilize die space (32nm production being cheaper than 45nm production).
 
GLSauron said:
No, I said exactly what I meant to say. LGA1366 is designed primarily for DUAL socket operations. Using it in SINGLE socket operations is "a dual socket CPU without a socket".

And DDR2 and DDR3 are both 240 pins.

To explain further on LGA1366, by leaving the PCI-E controller on the "northbridge" (its really just a QPI->PCI-E (DMI being a 4 lane PCI-E connection) bridge, it reduces the duplicate parts on the CPU. Multi-socket operations are more memory intensive (as are server apps), thus the third memory channel. The only downside to this being the lack of a GPU in a standard configuration. A discrete GPU will have to used, either in a PCI-E slot or using PCI-E and built into the motherboard.

With LGA1156, neither is really important. One socket (and the desktop usage model) reduces memory bandwidth demands significantly. By removing the third channel, Intel can make a smaller die. By moving the PCI-E controller onto the CPU socket, they can reduce the chip count (goodbye expensive northbridge), and better utilize die space (32nm production being cheaper than 45nm production).
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  1. You did choose a terrible wording
  2. You should have written this instead
 
Atech said:
  1. You did choose a terrible wording
  2. You should have written this instead
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3. ????
4. Profit!!!!1

:p

Totally agreed, though. His first post made me scratch my head prior to giggling aloud. The second attempt was better, but I'm still not 100% on what he means...
 
Elledan said:
Totally agreed, though. His first post made me scratch my head prior to giggling aloud. The second attempt was better, but I'm still not 100% on what he means...
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Draw a picture of an inverted triangle, point facing down, flat side up). On the bottom is tylersburg (X58 / the northbridge). Each side is a QPI link, and the top points are each a bloomfield CPU/LGA1366 socket. Now, remove one point so its just a line between the top point (a socket) and the bottom (the northbridge). Thats a dual socket without a socket.
 
Oh, you mean with one less socket than it could support? :)

That'd make a lot more sense...
 
I'd heard there was going to be refresh of the X58 chipset that would include the Lucid Hydra chip onboard. Is that still in the cards?
 
cant wait for that new cpu that uses no socket, no motherboard or anything at all, but you still pay $800 for it, are you sure thats not an apple product?
 
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