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I love Linux

See, I 'member the days of print shops, Pantone colors, and Macs in said shops (I serviced copiers & wide-format inkjet printers in those days). I also remember Macs in lawyer offices, because their native networking was far superior to anything MS ever had (and still is).

Ya the print industry was Huge on macs. Quarkexpress was pretty much everywhere... and photoshop wasn't far behind. Quark sort of fell away after OSX the Quark guys made the mistake of not supporting OSX right away and Adobe did with indesign. I think most people still prefered Quark over indesign... but adobe improved their software pretty quickly. I miss Adobe I liked. lol One of my first gigs was helping a local printer who was (still is I assume) printing tons of magazine style publications, they ran craptastic windows workstations for their in house sales staff ect... but in the back with the Artists and Printer folk it was 100% mac, and as you say things like Panatone colour reproduction on those older high end Apple monitors was second to none.
 
Ya the print industry was Huge on macs. Quarkexpress was pretty much everywhere... and photoshop wasn't far behind. Quark sort of fell away after OSX the Quark guys made the mistake of not supporting OSX right away and Adobe did with indesign. I think most people still prefered Quark over indesign... but adobe improved their software pretty quickly. I miss Adobe I liked. lol One of my first gigs was helping a local printer who was (still is I assume) printing tons of magazine style publications, they ran craptastic windows workstations for their in house sales staff ect... but in the back with the Artists and Printer folk it was 100% mac, and as you say things like Panatone colour reproduction on those older high end Apple monitors was second to none.
Since we're in the "I Love Linux!" thread, mebbe I can get some help from ya on a dilemma I'm facing, starting here.

Cliffs: installed SSD, had hella problem getting Win7 installed, just for the helluva it I ran Mint 18.x x64 off the install USB drive live, and it ran FLAWLESSLY: correct display res, 5.1 sound, networking, etc. Once I FINALLY figured out Win7, it doesn't display right (drivers), has network but no sound, etc.

So, thinking seriously about Linux. I game, use Steam (HL/HL2, Mad Max, DOOM3, some older games--Duke Nukem{!}), also have a couple GOG games I bought (Caesar, have Caesar for Win), I also watch alot of movies ripped to an external drive in VLC.

So, advice? If ya wanna, we can take this to PM, or start another thread where the n00bs and kidlets can find info on making the switch. Who knows, maybe we can convince the deadstar to switch (or at least make his head explode by telling him most of the code in modern Windows is Linux-based... :vamp: :D
 
Since we're in the "I Love Linux!" thread, mebbe I can get some help from ya on a dilemma I'm facing, starting here.

Cliffs: installed SSD, had hella problem getting Win7 installed, just for the helluva it I ran Mint 18.x x64 off the install USB drive live, and it ran FLAWLESSLY: correct display res, 5.1 sound, networking, etc. Once I FINALLY figured out Win7, it doesn't display right (drivers), has network but no sound, etc.

So, thinking seriously about Linux. I game, use Steam (HL/HL2, Mad Max, DOOM3, some older games--Duke Nukem{!}), also have a couple GOG games I bought (Caesar, have Caesar for Win), I also watch alot of movies ripped to an external drive in VLC.

So, advice? If ya wanna, we can take this to PM, or start another thread where the n00bs and kidlets can find info on making the switch. Who knows, maybe we can convince the deadstar to switch (or at least make his head explode by telling him most of the code in modern Windows is Linux-based... :vamp: :D

Ya to defend MS slighly I guess... windows 7 is getting pretty old now and didn't ship with up to date drivers... and MS update procedure needs you to install the OS first. (unlike Linux most distros installers can and often will download updates before installing) So your mint ISO would have all the latest (or a lot more recent at least) kernel drivers already baked in.

For what your describing though... ya man give Linux a legit shot for awhile. HL/HL2 run great. Mad Max runs decent... Doom3 I haven't played myself I don't think there is a native linux version but people have had very good success running it in Wine with the Vulcan render (darn near identical and in some cases superior performance to windows from what I have heard)

VLC runs very very well in linux... I also like SMplayer. But there are a few very good Linux players... shouldn't have any issues there.

If your running Nvidia Graphics be sure to install the NV kernel driver. Most distros like Mint make that a snap these days. (I would argue far easier then going and downloading windows drivers)

Steam on Linux runs great... and it sounds like you game a lot like I do. Play a few titles but aren't the buy every single new game that hits anymore. (I was more a gamer 20 years back then I am today). I have plenty to play and haven't really had many issues with gaming.

For distros... Mint is a good place to start. As you have already noticed. The development team is solid it has a good base, and they focus on newer users. Another good option and my preference for new users is Manjaro. But that is up to you. I actually like Gnome desktop... but the other popular options like Mate, Cin, KDE are more then capable. Its a personal preference thing. For web browser install Chromium (the open source version of chrome) and if your a netflix user you will likely have to install a chromium-widevine DRM package but that isn't a big deal. (if your prefer all the major distros offer Chrome / Firefox).

So ya anyway give it a go. I didn't look a bunch into your windows issue thread... but ya just copying windows over is a nightmare. Windows boot partitions are hard to copy to new hardware. Not that I would recommend it to a new user but in linux you can do more advanced things like mount your /home (all your personal data and software) to its own physical drive or part, and actually use that same drive/mnt in distro reinstall (or with care even another distro). The main advantage though is when it comes to backing things up in Linux you will know where all the important stuff is. Its easy to simply copy (or gzip) a backup of your settings folders ect... so things like emails / software settings ect ect are super simple to backup yourself by hand no silly software needed.
 
Doom3 I haven't played myself I don't think there is a native linux version but people have had very good success running it in Wine with the Vulcan render (darn near identical and in some cases superior performance to windows from what I have heard)
I think Doom3 was the last game ID released source code for. As a result, I had a decent experience with dhewm3. Post a screenshot of your linux! thread.
At the time I walked through compiling it, but I think it's readily available prebuilt through mainstream repos/package-managers now a days.

edit: If you own Doom3 BFG edition - the dhewm FAQ says to check out RBDOOM-3-BFG
 
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I think Doom3 was the last game ID released source code for. As a result, I had a decent experience with dhewm3. Post a screenshot of your linux! thread.
At the time I walked through compiling it, but I think it's readily available prebuilt through mainstream repos/package-managers now a days.

edit: If you own Doom3 BFG edition - the dhewm FAQ says to check out RBDOOM-3-BFG

I think I was thinking of the new version of Doom honestly. lol :) Thanks
 
As an ex pirated Photoshop user that decided to come clean, I've been using GIMP for a number of years now and love it. Every time I fire up Photoshop now I'm completely lost.
 
Every windows fanboi on the planet like to point at the Mac's "closed" ecosystem & try to poke holes in them, whether it be hardware or software. However, if they're like me, I stopped trying to play "tech support" for family and friends with M$ products, because they (and MS) invariably fubared their systems, usually with virii and drive-bys.

So, now every time they ask me "what should I get?" I say "buy a Mac. It may cost a bit more up front, but in the long run it will last ALOT longer than the Wintel-based obsolescence machines. And that philosophy has borne out: my son's got a Mac AIO desktop and a MacBook that run flawlessly while the AMD Win7 machine (octocore IIRC, 16g RAM, 512g ssd, 2TB HD, decent AMD vicard) I built them to run their embroidery machine keep taking a dump on them, partly because the embroidery machine's software is shit, and because every time my daughter-in-law goes looking for patterns, she somehow manages to get virus'd, despite the plethora of anti-virus and such programs we have on the machine. Lately, they've stopped doing the embroidery work because the manufacturer refuses to fix the software problems, so they're now doing t-shirts with a dedicated thermal transfer printer attached to the Mac, whose software works--you guessed it--flawlessly.

Others who've gotten Mac devices are still running them, 10 years down the line, with zero problems.

And then there's the OS: based on BSD, a flavor of Linux. Gee, who'd've thunk it that a version of Linux is solid and dead-reliable?? ;)

Um, BSD is NOT a flavor of Linux, BSD is a derivative of Unix. BSD(s) are what you get when you put together a bunch of Unix hackers to port Unix to the PC. They didn't just 'port' a kernel, they ported a complete base OS. You install the base OS and then while running the base OS you can add the features you want from their 'ports' (software repository). The biggest issue with BSD is that it's not as popular as Gnu/Linux. It's going to be harder to find device drivers for BSD than it will for Linux. I played with BSD for about a year and really like it, but, I'm dual booting Windows with Linux instead of BSD. Pretty much based upon not being able to find a driver for my printers and not easily able to play my Steam games.

Philosophically, I like BSD more than Gnu/Linux. BSD(s) are 'designed' where Gnu/Linux feels more like it's 'evolved'. FreeBSD also has a more permissive license than Linux. Check out the wikipedia for FreeBSD if you want to learn more.
 
Since we're in the "I Love Linux!" thread, mebbe I can get some help from ya on a dilemma I'm facing, starting here.

Cliffs: installed SSD, had hella problem getting Win7 installed, just for the helluva it I ran Mint 18.x x64 off the install USB drive live, and it ran FLAWLESSLY: correct display res, 5.1 sound, networking, etc. Once I FINALLY figured out Win7, it doesn't display right (drivers), has network but no sound, etc.

So, thinking seriously about Linux. I game, use Steam (HL/HL2, Mad Max, DOOM3, some older games--Duke Nukem{!}), also have a couple GOG games I bought (Caesar, have Caesar for Win), I also watch alot of movies ripped to an external drive in VLC.

So, advice? If ya wanna, we can take this to PM, or start another thread where the n00bs and kidlets can find info on making the switch. Who knows, maybe we can convince the deadstar to switch (or at least make his head explode by telling him most of the code in modern Windows is Linux-based... :vamp: :D

I recommend dual booting Windows and Gnu/Linux. I basically use Gnu/Linux for all my normal computing/programming needs and just use my Windows partition for my Steam games that aren't available under Gnu/Linux (only about a third of my games work in Gnu/Linux). Almost all the applications I used under Windows are available under Gnu/Linux (Firefox, Thunderbird, jEdit, Octave, Libre Office, g++, eclipse, etc). On my laptop I'm dual booting Win 10 and Mint Linux (17.3, Mate desktop), on my desktop I'm dual booting Win 10 and Devuan Linux (1.0, Mate desktop).
 
Um, BSD is NOT a flavor of Linux, BSD is a derivative of Unix. BSD(s) are what you get when you put together a bunch of Unix hackers to port Unix to the PC. They didn't just 'port' a kernel, they ported a complete base OS. You install the base OS and then while running the base OS you can add the features you want from their 'ports' (software repository). The biggest issue with BSD is that it's not as popular as Gnu/Linux. It's going to be harder to find device drivers for BSD than it will for Linux. I played with BSD for about a year and really like it, but, I'm dual booting Windows with Linux instead of BSD. Pretty much based upon not being able to find a driver for my printers and not easily able to play my Steam games.

Philosophically, I like BSD more than Gnu/Linux. BSD(s) are 'designed' where Gnu/Linux feels more like it's 'evolved'. FreeBSD also has a more permissive license than Linux. Check out the wikipedia for FreeBSD if you want to learn more.
M'kay, whatever, it's still a 'nix, and MacOS is based on it--which was my entire point, mainly to set deadsun's hair on fire. And there's lots of stuff that can be ported to it from BSD and Linux, relatively easily.
 
I recommend dual booting Windows and Gnu/Linux. I basically use Gnu/Linux for all my normal computing/programming needs and just use my Windows partition for my Steam games that aren't available under Gnu/Linux (only about a third of my games work in Gnu/Linux). Almost all the applications I used under Windows are available under Gnu/Linux (Firefox, Thunderbird, jEdit, Octave, Libre Office, g++, eclipse, etc). On my laptop I'm dual booting Win 10 and Mint Linux (17.3, Mate desktop), on my desktop I'm dual booting Win 10 and Devuan Linux (1.0, Mate desktop).
I've got access to another Win7 unit here, so the desire to dual boot isn't so huge. I'm thinking running an emulator when I need to should be enough.
 
Ya to defend MS slighly I guess... windows 7 is getting pretty old now and didn't ship with up to date drivers... and MS update procedure needs you to install the OS first. (unlike Linux most distros installers can and often will download updates before installing) So your mint ISO would have all the latest (or a lot more recent at least) kernel drivers already baked in.

For what your describing though... ya man give Linux a legit shot for awhile. HL/HL2 run great. Mad Max runs decent... Doom3 I haven't played myself I don't think there is a native linux version but people have had very good success running it in Wine with the Vulcan render (darn near identical and in some cases superior performance to windows from what I have heard)

VLC runs very very well in linux... I also like SMplayer. But there are a few very good Linux players... shouldn't have any issues there.

If your running Nvidia Graphics be sure to install the NV kernel driver. Most distros like Mint make that a snap these days. (I would argue far easier then going and downloading windows drivers)

Steam on Linux runs great... and it sounds like you game a lot like I do. Play a few titles but aren't the buy every single new game that hits anymore. (I was more a gamer 20 years back then I am today). I have plenty to play and haven't really had many issues with gaming.

For distros... Mint is a good place to start. As you have already noticed. The development team is solid it has a good base, and they focus on newer users. Another good option and my preference for new users is Manjaro. But that is up to you. I actually like Gnome desktop... but the other popular options like Mate, Cin, KDE are more then capable. Its a personal preference thing. For web browser install Chromium (the open source version of chrome) and if your a netflix user you will likely have to install a chromium-widevine DRM package but that isn't a big deal. (if your prefer all the major distros offer Chrome / Firefox).

So ya anyway give it a go. I didn't look a bunch into your windows issue thread... but ya just copying windows over is a nightmare. Windows boot partitions are hard to copy to new hardware. Not that I would recommend it to a new user but in linux you can do more advanced things like mount your /home (all your personal data and software) to its own physical drive or part, and actually use that same drive/mnt in distro reinstall (or with care even another distro). The main advantage though is when it comes to backing things up in Linux you will know where all the important stuff is. Its easy to simply copy (or gzip) a backup of your settings folders ect... so things like emails / software settings ect ect are super simple to backup yourself by hand no silly software needed.

(I had a bunch of comments for this, but I got interrupted every damn time I'd go to reply, so this will be a bit disjointed, sorry.)

One question: do Logitech cordless keyboards and Kensington cordless trackballs work under Linux? Right now I use the corded ones, and am planning on replacing them with the cordless (I'm hooked up to the TV in the living room, HTPC setup and all that).

Another: my vidcard is an ATi HD4870-1GB, Asus, will that be fine driver-wise?

I've messed with Linux before: Red Hat, Mandrake, a couple others in that era (Mandrake on machine with a GeForce 2{!} vidcard DESTROYED two brand-new Hyundai 17" crt's, that they warranted & replaced--the nVidia driver just went where they couldn't and *pop* goes a component, it let the smoke out. I've also run Ubuntu on both desktops and laptops, and even an early version of Mint (iirc) on an old Sony Vaio that I still have. So, I'm not a *complete* n00b, but still nowhere near the level of expertise around here.

Which brings up the next question: what's the favorite/best flavor for the mix of stuff we do? Running Win7 in emulation *may* be important, unless most of the games I've got play in Linux (yes, including Minecraft). But 90% of what I do is email, YouTube, Amazon, some bittorrent (I make sure to serve up any and all FOSS I can, including Linux ;)), and basically that's it.
 
I'm using a Logitech Bluetooth mouse- it has the Logitech wireless stuff too, but I wanted fewer dongles :D.

And that's on an ASRock Z270 ITX board, with no extra drivers installed, Ubuntu base.
 
I'm using a Logitech wireless KB and mouse through a KVM switch. Works flawlessly with Mint-MATE. Also worked flawlessly with Ubuntu-MATE.

EDIT: They're not a matched set. Two different receivers are being used.
 
Heatle is heatle. Kyle gave us both a few day cool off... I hadn't had my coffee that night. Lets not get heatle going again, Kyle has had a busy enough week. lmao

LOL! Use what works for you. The great thing from my perspective about these kinds of threads is just how much you guys advertise Windows compatible software. I get that's not the intent but hey, SMPlayer, never even heard of it, downloaded it tried it for a bit.
 
Logitech user here, runs fine under Linux.

I prefer to avoid Windows. Therefore the simple fact that an open source software package is available under Windows is not, and will never be, a selling point regarding Windows for me. However it is a selling point regarding Linux IMO.

My Windows days are over, that includes Windows 7.
 
LOL! Use what works for you. The great thing from my perspective about these kinds of threads is just how much you guys advertise Windows compatible software. I get that's not the intent but hey, SMPlayer, never even heard of it, downloaded it tried it for a bit.

Like I have said before software developers... care about what they are creating now what OS your running. We can compile it for Linux/Win/BSD/Mac fairly easily so why not.
 
(I had a bunch of comments for this, but I got interrupted every damn time I'd go to reply, so this will be a bit disjointed, sorry.)

One question: do Logitech cordless keyboards and Kensington cordless trackballs work under Linux? Right now I use the corded ones, and am planning on replacing them with the cordless (I'm hooked up to the TV in the living room, HTPC setup and all that).

Another: my vidcard is an ATi HD4870-1GB, Asus, will that be fine driver-wise?

I've messed with Linux before: Red Hat, Mandrake, a couple others in that era (Mandrake on machine with a GeForce 2{!} vidcard DESTROYED two brand-new Hyundai 17" crt's, that they warranted & replaced--the nVidia driver just went where they couldn't and *pop* goes a component, it let the smoke out. I've also run Ubuntu on both desktops and laptops, and even an early version of Mint (iirc) on an old Sony Vaio that I still have. So, I'm not a *complete* n00b, but still nowhere near the level of expertise around here.

Which brings up the next question: what's the favorite/best flavor for the mix of stuff we do? Running Win7 in emulation *may* be important, unless most of the games I've got play in Linux (yes, including Minecraft). But 90% of what I do is email, YouTube, Amazon, some bittorrent (I make sure to serve up any and all FOSS I can, including Linux ;)), and basically that's it.

Think you have already heard from people running logitiech stuff. In general these days if its a name brand device its going to work just fine with Linux as long as your running a recent Kernel. Even if something is brand brand new and doesn't have an official kernel driver, chances are at least the basic functions will still work fine, as few devices are really major new designs. Logitech is big enough that support is very good. I believe like most large vendors you will find the logitech code added to the kernel is added by their employees. So they may still not list official support... but the people that know the hardware are the ones adding the code.

The ATI card should work just fine out of the box. I would suggest using the open source drivers... so I don't think you would have to do much if anything at all driver wise there. AMD does make a ATI linux driver but the open source driver is the one you want. AMD unlike Nvidia does a lot of the work on the open source driver themselves, and actually suggest people use that driver. Their pro linux driver is aimed more at large workstation type users that have support contracts ect.

As for Linux gaming not much I can say cause everyones use is just a bit different. Steam will install flawlessly on all the major distros these days. Games with SteamOS support run just fine on standards Linux... and the list is fairly long. How many of your games won't have native Linux versions you'll have to check. :) Older games you can often run with Wine no issues, and even some newer ones. Although it sounds like with a 4870 your machine might be a bit long in the tooth to be trying to run the latest greatest windows games in wine. However if your talking 3-5 year old DX 9 type games you should be able to get those up without to much issue. In general I would say wine will run 10-30% slower then windows native... so you can judge from there. For a lot of older games 10% isn't an issue. If your an old man like some of us don't forget about DOSbox as well. (and for heatle yes Dosbox has a windows port lol) It feels odd saying it but I still play a lot of old dos games when the mood hits and DOSbox is fantastic.

When it comes to distro... stick with the Friendly stuff, and know if you end up switching around a bit at first that seems pretty normal. There are a lot of distros and small little things do it for different people.

Manjaro Based on Arch which is a solid fast base... and the manjaro team have done a very good job building a new user friendly easy to use distro.
https://antergos.com/ I run this distro myself... its Arch based as well, and at one time was pretty much just a clean arch installer. It is its own distro a bit more now and has some themes ect... still for the big stuff they stick pretty much exactly to the arch base.
https://linuxmint.com/ I think your already played with mint a bit. Solid Ubuntu based distro
https://solus-project.com/ Solus wasn't really for me... having said that I know there are some big boosters around here. Its new user friendly has great steam integration and the development team is fantastic.
 
I like Ubuntu. Mostly because it's one of the more popular distros, meaning you'll find a lot of beginner tutorials and/or answers to simple questions searching online.

I am tempted to try Arch. I had a handful of issues with Ubuntu when I first tried it and all the tutorials or forum posts matched my issue but the fixes were for Arch. I ended up "converting" their Arch repair into a suitable Ubuntu repair, but it would have been so much easier to do it piece by piece.

Hindsight, Arch would have been easier to fix my issues, but I likely wouldn't have learned as much by just copy/pasting the canned fixes.
 
Damn, son, and I thought *I* was a verbose SOB. ;)

...Logitech...

Excellent; but what about Kensington? I *SHALL*NOT*EVAR* give up my trackball! ATM, I'm snaking USB across the floor to feed my Kensington trackball and keyboard. I've got a Logitech wireless KB with track pad, but it's so sensitive & unadjustable that I get caught dragging whole movie directories into other folders & not realizing it. :/


As for Linux gaming... Although it sounds like with a 4870 your machine might be a bit long in the tooth to be trying to run the latest greatest windows games in wine.

However if your talking 3-5 year old DX 9 type games you should be able to get those up without to much issue.

Yah, and that's one of the near-future upgrades as well. Unless new card prices come down soon, it'll be a few-years-old card that'll maybe get me into dx11 range, which I'm not overly worried about since the only NEW-New game I'm thinking of playing is Doom.


In general I would say wine will run 10-30% slower then windows native... so you can judge from there. For a lot of older games 10% isn't an issue.

Yep I figured as much, and I'm thinking my upgrade to a Xeon X5670 will make up that difference, at least some. Not to mention a RAM upgrade.

If your an old man like some of us don't forget about DOSbox as well. (and for heatle yes Dosbox has a windows port lol) It feels odd saying it but I still play a lot of old dos games when the mood hits and DOSbox is fantastic.

Yep, I'm an olde farte too, and I remember Dosbox from back in the days of Duke Nukem 3d and Redneck Rampage... Steam even has those old games available (unknown about Linux versions), as does GoG.

When it comes to distro... stick with the Friendly stuff, and know if you end up switching around a bit at first that seems pretty normal. There are a lot of distros and small little things do it for different people.

Manjaro Based on Arch which is a solid fast base... and the manjaro team have done a very good job building a new user friendly easy to use distro.
https://antergos.com/ I run this distro myself... its Arch based as well, and at one time was pretty much just a clean arch installer. It is its own distro a bit more now and has some themes ect... still for the big stuff they stick pretty much exactly to the arch base.
https://linuxmint.com/ I think your already played with mint a bit. Solid Ubuntu based distro
https://solus-project.com/ Solus wasn't really for me... having said that I know there are some big boosters around here. Its new user friendly has great steam integration and the development team is fantastic.

I was digging thru at DistroWatch last night, and I noted that Slackware was at the top of the list by a fair amount. I'm sure that's because the true Linusti in the world upvoted them like crazy. I'm sticking to here to get a fair idea of what gamers run & which is best for such things, so I'm downloading them & running them live off the USB drive, & evaluating them as best one can that way.

Awesome stuff, thanks for the info & tips!
 
Oooh, oooh, oooh, forgot to mention: when I plugged in this TV I'm using (2016 Hisense 55" smart TV) into the Win7 setup, I got *no* sound out the TV itself, forcing me to dust off the old Logitech 5.1 speaker set. My roomie's comp is a Gigabyte Brix with an AMD octocore, 8G ram, and integrated Intel graphics (she doesn't game), it *will* play sound thru the HDMI connection--and the Brix is the same Win7 as is on mine.

Oddly enough, Mint not only identified the TV (made by HITACHI, of all things), it enabled the HDMI sound passthru. And the Windows AMD drivers didn't.

Go figure.
 
I was digging thru at DistroWatch last night, and I noted that Slackware was at the top of the list by a fair amount. I'm sure that's because the true Linusti in the world upvoted them like crazy. I'm sticking to here to get a fair idea of what gamers run & which is best for such things, so I'm downloading them & running them live off the USB drive, & evaluating them as best one can that way.

Awesome stuff, thanks for the info & tips!

Gaming via Steam on Linux is far better nowadays if you run a distro that uses apparmor and snaps.

https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration
 
Oooh, oooh, oooh, forgot to mention: when I plugged in this TV I'm using (2016 Hisense 55" smart TV) into the Win7 setup, I got *no* sound out the TV itself, forcing me to dust off the old Logitech 5.1 speaker set. My roomie's comp is a Gigabyte Brix with an AMD octocore, 8G ram, and integrated Intel graphics (she doesn't game), it *will* play sound thru the HDMI connection--and the Brix is the same Win7 as is on mine.

Oddly enough, Mint not only identified the TV (made by HITACHI, of all things), it enabled the HDMI sound passthru. And the Windows AMD drivers didn't.

Go figure.

That actually is pretty odd- I'd put it on Hisense for their goofiness, as HDMI as a protocol is pretty much fire and forget.
 
Like I have said before software developers... care about what they are creating now what OS your running. We can compile it for Linux/Win/BSD/Mac fairly easily so why not.

There is a numbers game involved here. I've donated financially to some open source projects. I have Audacity, LibreOffice and OBS. I don't care that the software is cross platform but I wouldn't be using this stuff if it didn't have Windows versions, which is probably the #1 platform for many of these projects.
 
There is a numbers game involved here. I've donated financially to some open source projects. I have Audacity, LibreOffice and OBS. I don't care that the software is cross platform but I wouldn't be using this stuff if it didn't have Windows versions, which is probably the #1 platform for many of these projects.

No one was ever arguing with you that windows has the largest install base Heatle. We have simply attempted to correct your thinking about which platform all that stuff is developed ON. Make no mistake for the most part the developers on the projects you listed and almost all other Open source projects are developing them from Linux... for the big projects like Libre of course they spend a lot of time making sure the windows port works as well as it can on a sub par OS. (I am half joking no need to go back and forth lol for the majority of cross platform projects they perform equally that is how it should be)
 
We have simply attempted to correct your thinking about which platform all that stuff is developed ON.

If it's native code then it's developed on all of them. I can go to GitHub and pull the Windows code for Audacity for instance. It's a VS 2013 C++ project. It's not like you need Linux to develop the Windows code. I get that there tools and frameworks to make the porting easier but there's no inherent connection of the code bases for any particular platform if it's native.
 
If it's native code then it's developed on all of them. I can go to GitHub and pull the Windows code for Audacity for instance. It's a VS 2013 C++ project. It's not like you need Linux to develop the Windows code. I get that there tools and frameworks to make the porting easier but there's no inherent connection of the code bases for any particular platform if it's native.
Will you stop it with your winblows fanboi superiority complex? Go spam a thread in the Windows subforum, or go tell the Amiga people how badly their OS sucked.

Geez.
 
So, should I install the xeon first, then image to Linux? Or should I do that afterwards?

Also, what kind of benchmarking programs exist for Linux?
 
Will you stop it with your winblows fanboi superiority complex? Go spam a thread in the Windows subforum, or go tell the Amiga people how badly their OS sucked.

Geez.

What are you talking about? I simply pointed out a cross platform application that has native code bases for Linux, macOS and Windows: https://github.com/audacity/audacity. Anyone can pull the code and compile for any of these OSes. The code bases have no inherent interdependence.
 
What are you talking about? I simply pointed out a cross platform application that has native code bases for Linux, macOS and Windows: https://github.com/audacity/audacity. Anyone can pull the code and compile for any of these OSes. The code bases have no inherent interdependence.

I guess its a big whats your point ?? Yes Linux developers code for windows enjoy the free software.

I am not sure why we are talking about it Heatle... and I have no idea why it bothers you when we say yes Open Source software projects almost always end up with Windows compiled code... because Linux coders are about open software and I could give a shit what OS your running, as can most Open source folks.

Seeing as you used Audacity as an example I just have to add this next part to drive you INSANE. Here is a link to the Resume of the guy that founded that project. (Audacitys founder)
http://dominic-mazzoni.com/resume.html

Like most OSS guys he doesn't really touch windows unless forced to. ;)
 
I guess its a big whats your point ?? Yes Linux developers code for windows enjoy the free software.

I am not sure why we are talking about it Heatle... and I have no idea why it bothers you when we say yes Open Source software projects almost always end up with Windows compiled code... because Linux coders are about open software and I could give a shit what OS your running, as can most Open source folks.

Seeing as you used Audacity as an example I just have to add this next part to drive you INSANE. Here is a link to the Resume of the guy that founded that project. (Audacitys founder)
http://dominic-mazzoni.com/resume.html

Like most OSS guys he doesn't really touch windows unless forced to. ;)

I honestly don't touch Windows unless I'm forced to and I'm wrapped with my choices.
 
I guess its a big whats your point ?? Yes Linux developers code for windows enjoy the free software.

I am not sure why we are talking about it Heatle... and I have no idea why it bothers you when we say yes Open Source software projects almost always end up with Windows compiled code... because Linux coders are about open software and I could give a shit what OS your running, as can most Open source folks.

Seeing as you used Audacity as an example I just have to add this next part to drive you INSANE. Here is a link to the Resume of the guy that founded that project. (Audacitys founder)
http://dominic-mazzoni.com/resume.html

Like most OSS guys he doesn't really touch windows unless forced to. ;)

These FOSS native cross platform desktop clients aren't being built just by Linux developers is my point. Most of the users of these apps aren't even running them on Linux.
 
I guess its a big whats your point ?? Yes Linux developers code for windows enjoy the free software.

I am not sure why we are talking about it Heatle... and I have no idea why it bothers you when we say yes Open Source software projects almost always end up with Windows compiled code... because Linux coders are about open software and I could give a shit what OS your running, as can most Open source folks.

Seeing as you used Audacity as an example I just have to add this next part to drive you INSANE. Here is a link to the Resume of the guy that founded that project. (Audacitys founder)
http://dominic-mazzoni.com/resume.html

Like most OSS guys he doesn't really touch windows unless forced to. ;)
#BOOMheadshot!
 
So, should I install the xeon first, then image to Linux? Or should I do that afterwards?

Also, what kind of benchmarking programs exist for Linux?
Hey, as soon as HeadlessSon gets done hijacking the thread--yet again--could we answer my question, say, within the next hour? I'd like to button up my rig today. ;)
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