Hyper-V causes sluggish performance?

[TerraPhantm]

I recently installed Server 08 with the intention of using it as a workstation. I was playing around with Hyper-V, but I notice that by simply having the role installed, and not even running a virtual machine, the use of the main OS becomes very sluggish, anything that might be *slightly* graphically intensive (such as scrolling a page in a browser) causes the system to really struggle. Uninstalling the role brings things back to normal. Does anyone else have this issue? If so, have any of you found a fix for it? Overall I like server 2008 quite a bit; even if it isn't quicker than Vista, it sure feels like it is (which is enough reason for me to use it), however it'd be really nice to get Hyper-V to function properly. Thanks in advance for the help!

 

[SuperSubZero]

I had no such problem on my laptop with Server 2008. Hyper-V did not take much resources at all.

 

[Mithent]

Having the Hyper-V role installed means that the hypervisor is running under the main OS, I believe? Not that it helps the problem, but it might be useful to know - and also means that it's not a good idea to use the Hyper-V role if you're not using virtualisation, since it's just a needless thunking layer then.

 

[TerraPhantm]

Yes, that does mean that the hypervisor is running on the main OS. I've done a bit of research on the issue, and it seems to effect those who have nVidia graphics drivers. I'm not really willing to change my video card at this point, but I can't find any way to fix the issue (other than reinstalling server 08 and just sticking w/ the beta of hyper-v)

 

[AMD T-type]

I am having the exact same problem...

Server 08 Standard / Core2Quad 6600 / DFI P965-S Dark / 4GB DDR2 / 150GB Raptor / nVidia 8800GT

With Hyper-V enabled it's really sluggish and videos take FOREVER to open.
But after I turn it off all is well

Hopefully they release a fix for this if it truly is an nVidia related issue

 

[4saken]

I am running 2k8 64bit ENT w/hyper-v on a q6600 w/8GB ddr2 RAM. I havent noticed any slowdown, and i have 4 virtual machines running, 1 2k3, 1 2k8, 1 linux, 1 XP, using up about 4GB of RAM total.

Im using a a Intel GMA33 mainboard(its a dell inspiron 530). With whatever integrated intel vid card that uses.

 

[AMD T-type]

Yeah, it looks like it is an nVidia problem

 

[SaveYourself]

I have noticed this as well..(8800GT video) I've been disabling Virtualization in BIOS and killing the services when I want to game. Early in maps for TF2/COD4 and the like, I get tons of chop with all the Hyper-V junk running. Smooth as can be with it all off.

 

[4saken]

I have noticed this as well..(8800GT video) I've been disabling Virtualization in BIOS and killing the services when I want to game. Early in maps for TF2/COD4 and the like, I get tons of chop with all the Hyper-V junk running. Smooth as can be with it all off.

Glad to know this. I had been tossing the idea around of throwing an 8800gt into this box for use as a 2nd gaming guy when i have more people over, guess it will just stay a server for now.

 

[gersson]

same here. I wanted to use Server2k8 as a workstation w/ hyper-v but games and audio stutter like crazy as soon as hyper-v was installed. Uninstalling hyper fixed the problem.
Hope there is a fix soon.

 

[imadude]

Anyone find a workaround for this? I've used the vista multimedia scheduler configuration tool here with some success, but not enough. I'm wondering if my knowledge of the process scheduling is too pathetic to know wtf I'm doing.

I'd love to hear if anyone can point me in the right direction.

This link may also help.

 

[Ranma_Sao]

There is no work around for this. Server's don't have high performance accelerated video cards.

I suggest you use the in-box vga driver for your graphics needs on your server, or remote desktop.

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[bigdogchris]

Did you change CPU priority from background services to programs or vice versa?

 

[imadude]

There is no work around for this. Server's don't have high performance accelerated video cards.

I suggest you use the in-box vga driver for your graphics needs on your server, or remote desktop.

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This post is worthless. 2k8 shares a kernel with vista sp1. 2k8 plays all sorts of games and plays back 1080p video with no problem, sans hyper-v.

 

[imadude]

Did you change CPU priority from background services to programs or vice versa?

Yes, I've tried that, but good suggestion anyway.

 

[Ranma_Sao]

This post is worthless. 2k8 shares a kernel with vista sp1. 2k8 plays all sorts of games and plays back 1080p video with no problem, sans hyper-v.

Thank you. I assure you I'm quite familiar with how Server 2008 internals work.


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[DeaconFrost]

This post is worthless. 2k8 shares a kernel with vista sp1. 2k8 plays all sorts of games and plays back 1080p video with no problem, sans hyper-v.

But it is still designed to be a server OS, and should be used as such. There is already an OS for workstation/gaming system use, and it is called Vista. Don't use a hammer for a job that calls for a screwdriver. How many servers do you know of, that ship with Nvidia cards in them? Exactly.

PS: On a side note, telling an MS developer that his post about Server 2008 is worthless....probably not a good idea. There's an outside chance that Ranma_Sao might know what he is talking about.

 

[imadude]

But it is still designed to be a server OS, and should be used as such. There is already an OS for workstation/gaming system use, and it is called Vista. Don't use a hammer for a job that calls for a screwdriver. How many servers do you know of, that ship with Nvidia cards in them? Exactly.

PS: On a side note, telling an MS developer that his post about Server 2008 is worthless....probably not a good idea. There's an outside chance that Ranma_Sao might know what he is talking about.

His post said he works on internals. Hyper-V is not a core component. The post also added nothing constructive to the thread.

I have seen Microsoft reps at Technets use laptops running Windows 2000 advanced server for demos, including running PowerPoint presentations. Should I have told them that AS wasn't designed for presentations and thus shouldn't be used that way?

2008 and Vista share the same kernel, both have dx 10, etc. The components are all there. If you had read the post I linked to, you would see that people were even having problems scrolling in web pages, it's not just games or hd video. On that note, servers don't ship with wireless cards either. Does that mean wifi support should be removed as well?

I only have one pc at home and I don't really see a point in having to dual boot just so I can play with hyper-v. 2008 works flawless in every other aspect until I install hyper-v (even without a vm setup). No other vm (vpc, vmware, etc) causes me this problem.

That 'other' os, vista, I have nothing against. Just one problem. No hyper-v. That was why I installed 2008 in the first place.

 

[Zlash]

Well like they've said, don't use accelerated drivers on a server OS or wait a long time for a fix if ever.

 

[Ranma_Sao]

His post said he works on internals. Hyper-V is not a core component. The post also added nothing constructive to the thread.

I have seen Microsoft reps at Technets use laptops running Windows 2000 advanced server for demos, including running PowerPoint presentations. Should I have told them that AS wasn't designed for presentations and thus shouldn't be used that way?

2008 and Vista share the same kernel, both have dx 10, etc. The components are all there. If you had read the post I linked to, you would see that people were even having problems scrolling in web pages, it's not just games or hd video. On that note, servers don't ship with wireless cards either. Does that mean wifi support should be removed as well?

I only have one pc at home and I don't really see a point in having to dual boot just so I can play with hyper-v. 2008 works flawless in every other aspect until I install hyper-v (even without a vm setup). No other vm (vpc, vmware, etc) causes me this problem.

That 'other' os, vista, I have nothing against. Just one problem. No hyper-v. That was why I installed 2008 in the first place.

You are in an unsupported configuration for Hyper-V. I'm well aware of the situation you are describing. What I can say is you are in an unsupported configuration, and to suggest using an unaccelerated video card. Server's don't ship with 8800GT's usually, since why would someone pay extra when most people run server's headless these days. (Notice the G33 with stock intel driver it works fine. ) And why would a home user pay thousands of dollars for a server O/S?

Windows Server 2003 was the first Microsoft Server OS that actually disabled all the workstation stuff. Server administrators repeatedly told Microsoft that they don't like the fluff since why waste valuable space and cycles on fluff.

Can I ask why Hyper-V is needed over Virtual PC? It seems for your configuration, Virtual PC on Vista would be perfect.

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[imadude]

You are in an unsupported configuration for Hyper-V. I'm well aware of the situation you are describing. What I can say is you are in an unsupported configuration, and to suggest using an unaccelerated video card. Server's don't ship with 8800GT's usually, since why would someone pay extra when most people run server's headless these days. (Notice the G33 with stock intel driver it works fine. ) And why would a home user pay thousands of dollars for a server O/S?

Windows Server 2003 was the first Microsoft Server OS that actually disabled all the workstation stuff. Server administrators repeatedly told Microsoft that they don't like the fluff since why waste valuable space and cycles on fluff.

Can I ask why Hyper-V is needed over Virtual PC? It seems for your configuration, Virtual PC on Vista would be perfect.

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To me it seems embarrassing for ms that standard nvidia drivers change your server into an "unsupported configuration". I'm also willing to bet whether I'm using a 8800gt or a 6200 makes no difference. It doesn't make sense that ms would just bury their head in the sand by just saying it 'won't work'. Aero is included in 2008 (although I don't use it). If I turn that on, then install sql server, and aero starts lagging, would ms suddenly say I'm in an unsupported configuration?

As for how we got into this mess, 2008 did not cost me thousands. I have a technet subscription that I paid for out of my own pocket for about $100. As previously stated, I only have one pc at home and I don't want to dual boot. I was hoping to use hyper-v for educational purposes, and perhaps to get a little linux experience in on the side. VPC is fine but it doesn't have the power or management tools that hyper-v has.

 

[450]

Glad to know this. I had been tossing the idea around of throwing an 8800gt into this box for use as a 2nd gaming guy when i have more people over, guess it will just stay a server for now.

You could give that 8800gt to me... Or... Just trade the 8800gt with an ATi card like a 4850 ($130 AR) or maybe a 4830.

 

[Ranma_Sao]

ATI vs Nvidia shouldn't matter.

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[450]

ATI vs Nvidia shouldn't matter.

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Wait I thought people were having issues with Hyper-V due to nVidia drivers? So in this case wouldn't ATi vs nVidia matter?

 

[DeaconFrost]

VPC is fine but it doesn't have the power or management tools that hyper-v has.

That's when you stick to Vista, since it is the proper tool for the job, and load VirtualBox. Then you could run XP, Linux, and Server 2008 as VMs with very little effort, and without the need to dual-boot. Proper tools for the job, always make the job simpler.

 

[imadude]

That's when you stick to Vista, since it is the proper tool for the job, and load VirtualBox. Then you could run XP, Linux, and Server 2008 as VMs with very little effort, and without the need to dual-boot. Proper tools for the job, always make the job simpler.

Again, reading is fundamental. I want to learn more about hyper-v, not other solutions.

 

[ND40oz]

Wait I thought people were having issues with Hyper-V due to nVidia drivers? So in this case wouldn't ATi vs nVidia matter?

According to the posts over at technet, people are having the same problems with ATI cards, it's just not quite as bad.

Others have used XP x64 drivers and some people say it fixes the problem.

It would be nice if they made a solution available, there are plenty of people out there that would like to test Hyper-V using their workstations rather then use a dedicated server.

 

[DeaconFrost]

Again, reading is fundamental.

You said you wanted to use Hyper-V for educational purposes. That, to me, meant you were using Hyper-V to learn other OSes.

My sincerest apologies for not using my ESP web-browser helper object when I read your post.

 

[imadude]

You said you wanted to use Hyper-V for educational purposes. That, to me, meant you were using Hyper-V to learn other OSes.

My sincerest apologies for not using my ESP web-browser helper object when I read your post.

No reason to apologize. I enumerated two items, hyper-v and linux. The post is clear that they are two distinct things.

As for how we got into this mess, 2008 did not cost me thousands. I have a technet subscription that I paid for out of my own pocket for about $100. As previously stated, I only have one pc at home and I don't want to dual boot. I was hoping to use hyper-v for educational purposes, and perhaps to get a little linux experience in on the side. VPC is fine but it doesn't have the power or management tools that hyper-v has.

 

[Ranma_Sao]

According to the posts over at technet, people are having the same problems with ATI cards, it's just not quite as bad.

Others have used XP x64 drivers and some people say it fixes the problem.

It would be nice if they made a solution available, there are plenty of people out there that would like to test Hyper-V using their workstations rather then use a dedicated server.

A solution to dual boot too:

http://www.microsoft.com/servers/hyper-v-server/default.mspx

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[450]

That's when you stick to Vista, since it is the proper tool for the job, and load VirtualBox. Then you could run XP, Linux, and Server 2008 as VMs with very little effort, and without the need to dual-boot. Proper tools for the job, always make the job simpler.

You could also run VirtualBox from Server 08. I've been doing that and have no issues so far. (8600GT is my GPU)

 

[ND40oz]

You could also run VirtualBox from Server 08. I've been doing that and have no issues so far. (8600GT is my GPU)

Yeah, but that doesn't help you get into using Hyper-V and SCVMM. At this point, if you've already invested in ESX and VC and you want to test microsofts solution, they aren't making it very easy by not supporting default workstation configs. The whole point is it runs on an OS that you already have installed...

Oh well, what can you do.

 

[DeaconFrost]

The post is clear that they are two distinct things.

Do we really need another English lesson on here? What's clear in your head, doesn't always come across in type as being clear to someone else. Ever try to have a chat with someone on an IM program? Ever write a technical article or HOW-TO guide? Then you'll know what I'm referring to.

You said you were using Hyper-V for educational purposes. As I said above, that could have very well meant you were using Hyper-V to learn OTHER OSes. I do not have ESP. I can only go on the words provided.

 

[XOR != OR]

To me it seems embarrassing for ms that standard nvidia drivers change your server into an "unsupported configuration".

Then you're in for a world of hurt as you get deeper into server OS territory.

It's perfectly valid for MS to say your configuration is unsupported ( and untested ). You have a gaming video card hooked up to a server OS, something that I'm having a hard time justifying in a real world environment ( somewhere that is using the OS as it was meant to be used ).

It's like putting a blower on a tractor, then complaining when you don't top out over 40miles/hr.

 

[SuperSubZero]

You have a gaming video card hooked up to a server OS

The catch here is the drivers are universal. The driver Johnny Gamer uses for his overclocked liquid hydrogen-cooled 4xSLI rig is the same driver a server using an integrated nVidia chipset in a 1U rack-mounted server would use.

Vista had the later 178.xx drivers in a recent Windows Update. I'd be interested to know if Server 2008 did as well.

 

[DeaconFrost]

integrated nVidia chipset in a 1U rack-mounted server would use.

Do they exist? I haven't ever seen Nvidia chipsets as an option for HP or Dell servers.

 

[ND40oz]

Do they exist? I haven't ever seen Nvidia chipsets as an option for HP or Dell servers.

HP usually use their serverworks chipsets. I know the new Dell R805 is using the NVIDIA MCP55Pro + IO-55 Chipset, but it uses an embedded ATI ES1000 for video.

 

[Zlash]

A dedicated 1and1 server I manage has an nvidia chipset, but I have no idea what brand it is.

 

[XOR != OR]

The catch here is the drivers are universal.

Doesn't matter; the vendor is free to write whatever driver they wish.

MS, as a company, has stated they will not support that configuration. That's really all there is too it, and it makes sense because who would put a gaming card on a server? What legitimate reason would you have for that? Why should MS dedicate QA to something that the business world won't use?

 

[ND40oz]

Doesn't matter; the vendor is free to write whatever driver they wish.

MS, as a company, has stated they will not support that configuration. That's really all there is too it, and it makes sense because who would put a gaming card on a server? What legitimate reason would you have for that? Why should MS dedicate QA to something that the business world won't use?

What does this have to do with gaming cards, I'm under the impression Quadros and FireGLs have the same problem, do they not?