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Hot: 6TB HardDrive for $199 shipped - STBD6000100 6TB 128MB Cache

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-Int...136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item462bb18da0

Reputable merchant, as its just NewEgg via Ebay. Downside is that since its NewEgg, there's a 50% chance it will probably ship in an unpadded snail mail envelope with the bottom sticking out and secured with a piece of chewing gum with a boot imprint on it.

Still, in for one!
 
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Ducman69 said:
Hot: 6TB HardDrive for $199 shipped - STBD6000100 6TB 128MB Cache

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-Int...136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item462bb18da0

Reputable merchant, as its just NewEgg via Ebay. Downside is that since its NewEgg, there's a 50% chance it will probably ship in an unpadded snail mail envelope with the bottom sticking out and secured with a piece of chewing gum with a boot imprint on it.

Still, in for one!
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When was the last time you ordered a HDD from Newegg? They have changed their packaging specifically for HDDs. It's actually pretty good.
 
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Agreed, Newegg HDD shipping is fantastic. They even have custom bubble enclosure packs now.
 
good price but I'm going to try to wait till they get to the $150 range which I hope would happen sometime this year
 
I haven't had any problems with newegg packaging their hdds. Last time I ordered 4 hdds and they actually sent them in the 12-pack OEM box, the 4 drives were nicely distributed amongst the 12 available slots.
 
I'm waiting for the 8TB Seagate they claimed would launch at $249... To actually be $249
 
I didn't even know the 8TBs were out yet.

Of course once I stock up, they will say next week that they have invented a new holographic hard drive with 50TB capacity the size of an SSD for $300.
 
DPI said:
I'm waiting for the 8TB Seagate they claimed would launch at $249... To actually be $249
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Those SMR drives? Bleh, maybe after letting other guinea pigs test the crap out of it for 1+ years first.
 
I have 2 of these and have been solid. Think I paid $192 each.
 
TypeO said:
I have 2 of these and have been solid. Think I paid $192 each.
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I believe that was the other best brief sale, but it was actually $192 + tax for most people I think, which put it at $205+ish. So I think this is the cheapest its been from my research.

And this is definitely the cheapest 6TB on the market by a big margin:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/internal-hard-drive/

Only the Western Digital WD60EZRX comes close, but the WD is slower (5400 vs 5900) and has smaller buffer (64 vs 128).
 
Ducman69 said:
I believe that was the other best brief sale, but it was actually $192 + tax for most people I think, which put it at $205+ish. So I think this is the cheapest its been from my research.

And this is definitely the cheapest 6TB on the market by a big margin:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/internal-hard-drive/

Only the Western Digital WD60EZRX comes close, but the WD is slower (5400 vs 5900) and has smaller buffer (64 vs 128).
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You are correct. I just looked at my invoice and it was through Best Buy. No issues and I use it for Plex now.
 
Seagate also gives me pause, especially after the BackBlaze report on it. How did they get to become so huge if they truly make so many mediocre drives? :/
 
Not worth the risk. They are cheap for a reason. And even if they weren't, their name is tainted. I'll never touch a Seagate.
 
rive22 said:
Not worth the risk. They are cheap for a reason. And even if they weren't, their name is tainted. I'll never touch a Seagate.
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There is no risk.

Every manufacturer of any hard drive has the potential to fail. Hard drives will go bad. Period.

So you have to take that into account when building your array, so that if you have one die, its not a big deal you get it replaced under warranty, pop the replacement back in, and you're good to go.

Now the downside with 6TB drives at $200 a pop is that means your minimum buy in is $400. The great thing about it is less noise, less heat, less points of failure, and much more compact so you can have a smaller NAS.
 
jhatfie said:
I used to feel the same, but the past couple Seagate drives I have purchased are still going strong.
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Yea, I have WD, Seagate and Hitachi various sizes from 2TB to 6TB. The ones that have died on me were Hitachi. Seagate drives has been fine, but I don't have any 3TB Seagate drives.
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Those SMR drives? Bleh, maybe after letting other guinea pigs test the crap out of it for 1+ years first.
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Actually, guinea pigs have been testing them out for probably a year, and Seagate's been testing them internally longer than that. In other words they didn't just come up with these new form factors last week and start shipping drives. They reached these aerial density points years ago.

Seagate actually has an early access program that some companies are invited to join under NDA, my friend works at a hosting company and they've been testing these for a while. 10TB already being tested.
 
Ducman69 said:
There is no risk.

Every manufacturer of any hard drive has the potential to fail. Hard drives will go bad. Period.

So you have to take that into account when building your array, so that if you have one die, its not a big deal you get it replaced under warranty, pop the replacement back in, and you're good to go.
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Don't bother. Its just a given that every thread on the internet about harddisks will always have those people that play my anecdotal evidence is better than your anecdotal evidence, and make statistically meaningless conclusions that "X brand sucks, but Y brand is great cuz I still have one from 2008 that haznt died!" They're usually the same people that will whine every time there's a new drive size on the market: "Oooh, <x>GB/TB in one drive is scary I'd hate to lose that much data". Just pat 'em on the head and move on.

Or people will point to Backblaze stats like they mean something - a company that busts consumer drives out of external enclosures with a screwdriver and proceeds to run them in their 24/7 environment. Without a statistically significant study of hundreds of thousands of drives, you're just paddling pork. And in any case you should always have backups of important data. Personal perceptions on "reliability" is meaningless because there are a thousand variables that Backblaze & friends aren't bothering to factor.
 
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Thanks OP. These actually are retail box drives for those leary about newegg hard drive shipping and have a 2 year warranty from Seagate. I picked up a couple.
 
The problem is that I bought 4 1TB segate drives and they all died at least once, some twice, and one even 3 times (meaning the replacement drives died) while they were within warranty. One is still alive with bad sectors. These were from different places and had different revision numbers. Then I bought 6 samsung 1tb drives at the same time. Everyone of them is still in use today, many years after the segates all went to shit.

So That is why I have not forgiven segate.

Yes I have had WD drives go bad as well (Raptor drive I paid $400 for back in 04-05) never worked right, it was also replaced several times before it's long warranty went out. Yes, the samsungs will eventually fail, but the difference in quality with segate was astounding. Maybe segates have gotten better, but I won't find out until I forgive them. The worst part is that the drives would die without any warning. Just one day they still spin up but would not be detected by the computer.

My Hitachi 4TB coolspin drives have been doing good so far but they never seem to go on sale...
 
tpctcn said:
I know why. It's because they don't.

The only thing that matters is your personal luck with drives.
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True. I admit I mainly buy WD but just two weeks ago I picked up 3 dead WD Mainstreams from Best Buy. Only wanted one to replace a dead Seagate in an HP all in one for someone. Hehe. Crap shoot from brand to brand and size to size.
 
an interesting post on drive history:

http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/750988-3tb-hard-drives-and-failures

Micropolis - Bankrupt (1997)
Quantum > Maxtor (2001)
Maxtor > Seagate (2006)
Matsushita - left industry in 2004
Mitsubishi - left industry
Samsung > Seagate
LaCie > Seagate (2012)
Fujitsu > Toshiba (2009)
IBM > Hitachi (HGST, 2002)
Hitachi (HGST) > WDC (2012)
WDC (pre-Hitachi templates) > Toshiba

Today, only WDC, Seagate, and Toshiba are still in the 3.5" market. With Toshiba not manufacturing any "enterprise" level units, that leaves us with WDC and Seagate.

The originally disclosed plan for the breakup of Hitachi/HGST had Toshiba getting their 3.5" lines, and WDC getting the 2.5" and SSD lines. Somewhere down the line, that apparently changed so that WDC obtained all of the Hitachi/HGST lines by transferring most of their then existing lines to Toshiba.

WDC has since taken this divestiture as the Golden Goose that is was for them, and run with it. Where once WDC was synonymous with endless RMA's and average support, and with the realignment of their newly acquired production models (mostly) completed, WDC has re-emerged as The leader in platter storage and development, which is a complete 180 on their previous standing and reliability.

For reasons and theories that we will not get into, Seagate has not fared nearly as well in their acquisitions and subsequent re-deployments, and is taking a heavy beating on the reliability of their products as a consequence, and their declining sales and support practices are not helping matters any.

I'll just leave it there since Seagate is still in our dog-house with months old unresolved tickets, their OEM "storage specialists" take a week (or more) to get back to you with specs, and their RMA count was still climbing before we switched over to WDC (HGST) in our production systems last year.
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I have a Synology DS413 with 4x 3TB WD reds. All the original drives died but the replacements (with a different firmware number) are still going strong. Planning on buying an 1815+ soon and want to load it with 8x 6TB drives in RAID 10. Anybody have experience with running multiple 6TB HGST NAS in a box? Are they noisy? The first generation reds are super quiet. Trying to decide between these two. Normally spindle speed would trump noise but I have to live with it in the same room for a few months.
 
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Ducman69 said:
8TB for $250: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1107004&is=REG&Q=&A=details
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I think I'd stick with older drives (not necessarily these 6TB drives). Leaving out backblaze, as I recall, Google reported years ago that virtually all brands were roughly the same, but that new models tend to have more failures. They may have mentioned that there was the occasional lemon model too (I'd be more specific, but it's been at least 4 or 5 years).

I've got a pair of Seagate 4TB drives (is 1+ years old) and so far no issues. Most of my drives are WD drives. I've had some of them go bad, but the one that started going recently was bought in 2008 and was up 24x7 for last 4 or 5 years (though I took one from 2008 and another from 2011 out for the last month (replaced by the seagate), but they'll go back in eventually.
 
WetMacula said:
an interesting post on drive history:

http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/750988-3tb-hard-drives-and-failures
Micropolis - Bankrupt (1997)
Quantum > Maxtor (2001)
Maxtor > Seagate (2006)
Matsushita - left industry in 2004
Mitsubishi - left industry
Samsung > Seagate
LaCie > Seagate (2012)
Fujitsu > Toshiba (2009)
IBM > Hitachi (HGST, 2002)
Hitachi (HGST) > WDC (2012)
WDC (pre-Hitachi templates) > Toshiba

Today, only WDC, Seagate, and Toshiba are still in the 3.5" market. With Toshiba not manufacturing any "enterprise" level units, that leaves us with WDC and Seagate.

The originally disclosed plan for the breakup of Hitachi/HGST had Toshiba getting their 3.5" lines, and WDC getting the 2.5" and SSD lines. Somewhere down the line, that apparently changed so that WDC obtained all of the Hitachi/HGST lines by transferring most of their then existing lines to Toshiba.

WDC has since taken this divestiture as the Golden Goose that is was for them, and run with it. Where once WDC was synonymous with endless RMA's and average support, and with the realignment of their newly acquired production models (mostly) completed, WDC has re-emerged as The leader in platter storage and development, which is a complete 180 on their previous standing and reliability.

For reasons and theories that we will not get into, Seagate has not fared nearly as well in their acquisitions and subsequent re-deployments, and is taking a heavy beating on the reliability of their products as a consequence, and their declining sales and support practices are not helping matters any.

I'll just leave it there since Seagate is still in our dog-house with months old unresolved tickets, their OEM "storage specialists" take a week (or more) to get back to you with specs, and their RMA count was still climbing before we switched over to WDC (HGST) in our production systems last year.
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I have a Synology DS413 with 4x 3TB WD reds. All the original drives died but the replacements (with a different firmware number) are still going strong. Planning on buying an 1815+ soon and want to load it with 8x 6TB drives in RAID 10. Anybody have experience with running multiple 6TB HGST NAS in a box? Are they noisy? The first generation reds are super quiet. Trying to decide between these two. Normally spindle speed would trump noise but I have to live with it in the same room for a few months.
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I think I have a 1 or 2GB Micropolis drive somewhere around here.
I liked Quantum, hated Maxtor in the aughts (they were good in the early 90s).

I find that the 4TB Seagates (these are consumer quiet drives, not enterprise) are fairly quiet, but if they're noisy when they spin up. I don't ever recall hearing the 1, 1.5 or 2TB green drives spin up...though maybe the 2008-2011 never sleep.
 
WetMacula said:
Anybody have experience with running multiple 6TB HGST NAS in a box? Are they noisy? The first generation reds are super quiet. Trying to decide between these two. Normally spindle speed would trump noise but I have to live with it in the same room for a few months.
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Random access is surprisingly very quiet on my HGST's. The sound from the increased spindle speed is definitely noticeable though. My Reds are much quieter in that regard. Just depends on what you'll be using them for. 5k drives are very well suited for the typical home NAS. The faster spindle drives really shine when multiple threads are introduced from many concurrent users, mass file editing applications, large databases, virtual machines, etc.
 
I'm mainly using it for unpacking large archives on the NAS from networked PC's, streaming large video files, and multiple non-stop torrents at 25 down and 15 up.

Will 8 reds in RAID 10 saturate a gigabit network? I'd be happy with that. The reds sure are quiet compared to blacks.

I have 4 reds in a DS413 as a single SHR1 (raid 5) volume and the best I can get is 85 megabytes read and 65 write. This is with LSO disabled on the Intel NICs and Jumbo Frames on. All connected to an HP 1810-8G switch with no flow control.
 
i'm waiting for the 8TB drives to really shine, and be 199 or less :)

currently have 15TB across four drives... I think I'm set for a while.
 
nilepez said:
I think I'd stick with older drives (not necessarily these 6TB drives). Leaving out backblaze, as I recall, Google reported years ago that virtually all brands were roughly the same, but that new models tend to have more failures. They may have mentioned that there was the occasional lemon model too (I'd be more specific, but it's been at least 4 or 5 years).

I've got a pair of Seagate 4TB drives (is 1+ years old) and so far no issues. Most of my drives are WD drives. I've had some of them go bad, but the one that started going recently was bought in 2008 and was up 24x7 for last 4 or 5 years (though I took one from 2008 and another from 2011 out for the last month (replaced by the seagate), but they'll go back in eventually.
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That's basically the truth with any brand. The only thing the brand is good for is seeing if they have a track record of consistently poor products. If they have consistently good products you're still the guinea pig each time a new product comes out. Will the product you purchased be the first time they faltered? If you really want to know about reliability of a product you need to wait and see reviews of how a particular model has faired over time.

I can say with experience so far so good with these 6TB models. I got them from BB months ago when they were on sale the other time. There are a couple of little issues I've noticed but nothing that is a deal breaker for me.

1. They are missing one of the screw holes in the side of the drive. If you have bays which require using the center screw hole then you might not be able to secure them down all the way. I only have 2 screws in mine versus 4 since the server case I have uses the back and center set of holes.

2. They are very heavy and warm. Just make sure to keep a fan on them to keep the temps in check.

3. I have a random slowdown that I never really looked into too hard. Not sure if it's the drive or in my setup, but per drive they are blazing fast. 200MBps+ read and writes. Some condition seems to occur where they slow down to like 130MBps and then stay there until I restart the pc. Given they are in an array that they are still fast enough to saturate a 1gb link I haven't looked into it other than knowing it seems to occur for me.
 
Did you know that a hard drive manufacturing clean room has to be 10 times cleaner than a drug manufacturing clean room in order to have a high success yield? A fart could ruin 10,000 drives. Let's say [H] got a hold of 10 of those drives...
 
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