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HFM.NET Websites?

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Briliu

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Hi guys,

I was wondering how some of you have your HFM.NET webpage available on the internet?

From what I've read so far there's a couple ways to do it:
  • Host your own webserver and upload it there (do you need to get a domain name or can I just type in my IP at that point?)
  • Pay for space on a webserver place and have HFM.NET upload the website to their place.

Both of those ways do, or can, cost money. Is there a way to do it without having to buy anything? I saw someone here recently with theirs linked to their XXXXX.homeserver.com website. I have a homeserver at my parents house and would love to learn more about how to do that!

Thanks for any tips :)



 
In what way? lol

I've never made one before or hosted one. So.. maybe?
 
You can host one yourself for free. It's really not that hard to set up. Years ago I had a webserver in my room for my own use. Now I have a dreamhost account I mess around with.
 
000webhost.com

its free, no ads, and more then enough space
 
I think you will need a Windows scheduled batch to ftp your files to a web host. I don't think HFM has native ftp support. If you host it yourself, you should just be able to save the files to a Windows share. I used to have one set up, but that was something like 5 farm upgrades ago... :)
 
So, I probably should have just typed this question into google in the first place, but I found an AWESOME guide as to how to set up a free website for HFM.NET!! With pictures! (I'm easily amazed ;)) They show how to set it up for 000webhost.com too.

Remote montioring using HFM.NET (Source: Overclock.net Forums post by Zodac)

musky said:
I think you will need a Windows scheduled batch to ftp your files to a web host. I don't think HFM has native ftp support. If you host it yourself, you should just be able to save the files to a Windows share. I used to have one set up, but that was something like 5 farm upgrades ago... :)
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HFM.NET apparently does have native FTP support, Musky. The link above goes into great detail. It was VERY easy for me to set up.

My Monitoring Website.

The next thing that I need to "figure out" (Read: Find a guide on the internet) is how to have a remote boxen upload it's log file somewhere where my hfm.net can get at it and parse it. I see an option in HFM.NET for upload FAHlog.txt to target as well as the website. So maybe if I load up HFM on the other computer and have the HFM on this computer read the log from the ftp site, then upload to the website.

Maybe there's something more elegant. I'll post what I find for the curious.
 
I know some people here use LogMeIn Hamachi to set up a VPN that allows programs like HFM.NET remote access. I've tried it and it works.

Regarding hosting your own web server, you can use a dynamic DNS service to access it from the Internet. That's basically what Windows Home Server does with its web server, so I use that to host my stats.
 
SazanEyes said:
I know some people here use LogMeIn Hamachi to set up a VPN that allows programs like HFM.NET remote access. I've tried it and it works.
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I'm new to VPNs but my basic understanding of it is it would set up a connection that would seem to my computer as a LAN connection, and I could just read the fahlog.txt from there via HFM.NET? That seems pretty easy to do and doesn't require a periodic upload to the webserver to boot!

SazanEyes said:
Regarding hosting your own web server, you can use a dynamic DNS service to access it from the Internet. That's basically what Windows Home Server does with its web server, so I use that to host my stats.
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Could you go into more detail about this or perhaps post a link to some verbage about it? Your website was the one I was referring to in the first post actually lol. The way I'm doing it works very well but I'd love to know how to do what you've done!

Thanks for all the comments :) I hope this thread helps someone in the future at the very least.
 
Yeah. homeserver for me too. It uses the whiist plugin to enable hosting a website for anybody curious about that.

http://jborage.homeserver.com/fah/hfm/summary.html

WRT monitoring remote machines, I can't think of a more elegant way than something similar to what you described. Any way, I think, you're going to have to push fahlog.txt files across the internet so one instance of HFM.net can see them all.

That's not a bad idea really. I only have one borg, my dad's Phenom X4 9500, which gets like 2500 ppd running four classic clients lol. But if I ever add another, I think I'm going to do something like that.
 
Here is what my HFM web output looks like. It's heavily modified to include only the info I want to see and themed to kind of match [H]'s colors.

http://teamtobit.net/fahstats/
 
Oh yeah that's who I was thinking of. What happened to him anyway?
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jebo_4jc said:
Yeah. homeserver for me too. It uses the whiist plugin to enable hosting a website for anybody curious about that.

http://jborage.homeserver.com/fah/hfm/summary.html

WRT monitoring remote machines, I can't think of a more elegant way than something similar to what you described. Any way, I think, you're going to have to push fahlog.txt files across the internet so one instance of HFM.net can see them all.

That's not a bad idea really. I only have one borg, my dad's Phenom X4 9500, which gets like 2500 ppd running four classic clients lol. But if I ever add another, I think I'm going to do something like that.
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Jebo_4jc,

Does Whiist require the use of the Dynamic DNS thing? I THINK that since that is already done through WHS for the XXX.homeserver.com address you get when you buy it does it just tag along with the folder you choose to open up to the internets via Whiist?

That is an awesome addon though, thank you for the suggestion :)

If that's the case I may have to build up a server (with some horsepower for folding of course ;)) I left my old one at my parents place when I moved. They use it for backup, I'd feel bad stealing it back from them.
 
Dyndns and homeserver function similarly in that they direct web addresses to your home. Dyndns isn't required for whs.

So once you get your whs set up, whilst just allows you to add the pages to your homeserver site. In whilst you'll tell it you want a site at you.homeserver.com/Site_name then point hfm to a folder in your whs. Bingo.
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BTW, you'll want at least a quad core I7 for that capability.

I have a hexa core core in mine ;)
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I have an easy way to do it using dropbox. I'll post some instructions tomorrow if I have time at work.

Here's the short version:
1. Get a dropbox account if you don't already have one. Use my referral link and we'll both get some extra storage.
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI3NjE1OQ

2. In your Public folder, create a new folder and name it folding (name isn't important).

3. Set HFM to save the web files in the folding directory inside your Dropbox directory.

4. Right click on the folding directory, choose Copy Public Link under the Dropbox contextual menu. Paste that link into your web browser, bookmark it, and your done.

Here's what mine looks like:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27615/folding/summary.html

No hosting or FTP or scheduled tasks required.
 
The ftp support in HFM does not work for me at all. I think it has to do with the fact that FTP URL is not the same as my user login (FTP URL is ftp.domain.com, user is fah@domain.com, not fah@ftp.domain.com.) It probably has to do with the fact that my host has multiple domain names on it. Who knows, who cares..

I also couldn't get my batch script to work. I had it working at one point, but not now. I downloaded fling, and that seems to work fine (slick little proggy actually.)

http://www.avid-edge.com/fah/summary.html
 
Lots of good info in this thread. I don't use the Whiist plugin for WHS, but I agree that's probably the better way to go. I manually added a virtual directory to IIS, but that can break something if you're not careful.

Modifying the look of the web sites is pretty easy if you understand HTML and XSLT. Even if you don't understand them, they're easy to learn and look good on your resume. :) I think I'm going to steal some ideas from EvilAlchemist like adding the HardFolding badge to the page.
 
yeah I tried to manually set up an IIS site one time and totally nuked my WHS :)
 
musky said:
The ftp support in HFM does not work for me at all. I think it has to do with the fact that FTP URL is not the same as my user login (FTP URL is ftp.domain.com, user is fah@domain.com, not fah@ftp.domain.com.) It probably has to do with the fact that my host has multiple domain names on it. Who knows, who cares..

I also couldn't get my batch script to work. I had it working at one point, but not now. I downloaded fling, and that seems to work fine (slick little proggy actually.)

http://www.avid-edge.com/fah/summary.html
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iirc, the FTP function needed to upload to a folder, and couldn't upload directly to a root path.

Sounds stupid, but I remember helping someone with this exact issue.
 
jeremyshaw said:
iirc, the FTP function needed to upload to a folder, and couldn't upload directly to a root path.

Sounds stupid, but I remember helping someone with this exact issue.
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I'll try that. I am trying to send everything straight to the root directory right now.
 
Musky, check out that link I posted from overclockers forum, the guy there says the syntax for it is like this this:

ftp://username:password@yourftpserverurl/public_html/
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Where the username:password is, in this instance, for your 000webhost.com account. And the ftp server url was my website with ftp infront. ftp.briliu.herobo.com. I tried it without the /public_html/ and it did not work, but works fine with the folder in there!

Good luck :D
 
Briliu said:
Musky, check out that link I posted from overclockers forum, the guy there says the syntax for it is like this this:



Where the username:password is, in this instance, for your 000webhost.com account. And the ftp server url was my website with ftp infront. ftp.briliu.herobo.com. I tried it without the /public_html/ and it did not work, but works fine with the folder in there!

Good luck :D
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Make sure that you are using a locked down account for ftp access. All of your info is being sent in the clear, so it would be pretty easy to sniff out the user name and password. Giving someone access to your F@H stats is no big deal, but make sure you aren't using an admin account to upload your info or you may be giving them access to a whole lot more.
 
leagle said:
Make sure that you are using a locked down account for ftp access. All of your info is being sent in the clear, so it would be pretty easy to sniff out the user name and password. Giving someone access to your F@H stats is no big deal, but make sure you aren't using an admin account to upload your info or you may be giving them access to a whole lot more.
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:confused:

What do you mean locked down account? Like, the website i am sending it to? I think the FTP is locked (as it requires the username and password that's listed in the ftp setup I described above), but as illustrated by my link way back, the website is open to anyone to view.

Also, when you mean admin to send, are you speaking about windows? I have vista and im on my account name account, not the admin account there, but there's pretty much nothing i cant do (i get the uae popup a lot though lol)

You've got me worried now lol
 
Briliu said:
:confused:

What do you mean locked down account? Like, the website i am sending it to? I think the FTP is locked (as it requires the username and password that's listed in the ftp setup I described above), but as illustrated by my link way back, the website is open to anyone to view.

Also, when you mean admin to send, are you speaking about windows? I have vista and im on my account name account, not the admin account there, but there's pretty much nothing i cant do (i get the uae popup a lot though lol)

You've got me worried now lol
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use a FTP account that ONLY has access to the F@H stats upload directory(ies).
 
Briliu said I'm allowed to hijack the thread (ok, not in as many words).. so I have a quick question as to how exactly HFM works and if it'll do what I need it to do.

I have 3 machines that are sometimes, but not always, connected on the same network. For the purpose of this discussion, lets say they're in 3 completely different physical locations (Boston, NY, DC -- I do travel a lot of work, so this is very possible). I want to be able to access a combined view of their status at any given time, from any given place.

How should I be setting all this up to get it to work that way? If I run HMF separately on all 3 machines, then I can probably get 3 separate reports, 1 of each machine. But I really like that view on HMF where I can see all my clients (regardless of what machine they're physically on).

I *do* have access to my own webserver (shared hosting), so I *can* upload to an ftp. I also have a dropbox account as another user suggested, if that helps at all. And, is there a way to do this so I don't need to install HMF on all three machines? One of my machines has an issue w/ the .net framework.. no idea what it is yet, haha.

Thinking outloud, if I run HMF on each machine independently, each HMF client can be configured to report on any local FAH client(s) that the machine is running. But how can I get HMF to now combine all three of those reports into one master list?

[edit] It's been a long day at work.. and I didn't read carefully enough page 1, which basically has a lot of the same question I just asked here... so for any of the stuff I just re-asked that was answered, ignore me. Going to go read page 1 more carefully now :X

[edit again] Ok I re-read everything. So looks like the best way for me to do it is.. run "Fling" on 2 of my machines and have it monitor the FAH log files. Whenever they're updated, the program with automatically FTP the logfile to a FTP server/location. The 3rd machine can run HFM, and within HFM, I can it up so that a client access a FTP location for the log file. From this third machine, it can also create the webpage that shows the whole summary/overview of all my machines.
 
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One way to do it would be to install LogMeIn Hamachi on all three machines to create a VPN. That would allow HFM.NET on one of the machines to see the F@H directories on the other two machines over the VPN.

The other way would be to FTP (or otherwise copy) the critical F@H files on two of the machines either directly to the third, or to a central location accessable by the third. Then have the HFM.NET program on the third look at those files as if it's looking at the remote machine.
 
Kuo said:
[edit again] Ok I re-read everything. So looks like the best way for me to do it is.. run "Fling" on 2 of my machines and have it monitor the FAH log files. Whenever they're updated, the program with automatically FTP the logfile to a FTP server/location. The 3rd machine can run HFM, and within HFM, I can it up so that a client access a FTP location for the log file. From this third machine, it can also create the webpage that shows the whole summary/overview of all my machines.
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nailed it
 
Briliu said:
Musky, check out that link I posted from overclockers forum, the guy there says the syntax for it is like this this:



Where the username:password is, in this instance, for your 000webhost.com account. And the ftp server url was my website with ftp infront. ftp.briliu.herobo.com. I tried it without the /public_html/ and it did not work, but works fine with the folder in there!

Good luck :D
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The problem I have right now is that I do not have a /public_html/ directory in ftp.domain.com. I have a bunch of other stuff in my /public_html/ folder. I purposely pointed ftp.domain.com to a single directory (the whole security thing mentioned in later posts.) Unfortunately, that is probably my problem. I'll try it when I get a chance later.
 
Kuo said:
So looks like the best way for me to do it is.. run "Fling" on 2 of my machines and have it monitor the FAH log files. Whenever they're updated, the program with automatically FTP the logfile to a FTP server/location. The 3rd machine can run HFM, and within HFM, I can it up so that a client access a FTP location for the log file. From this third machine, it can also create the webpage that shows the whole summary/overview of all my machines.
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This method using fling and ftp, or the method I outlined using Dropbox. Either one will work just fine.
 
Briliu said:
:confused:

What do you mean locked down account? Like, the website i am sending it to? I think the FTP is locked (as it requires the username and password that's listed in the ftp setup I described above), but as illustrated by my link way back, the website is open to anyone to view.

Also, when you mean admin to send, are you speaking about windows? I have vista and im on my account name account, not the admin account there, but there's pretty much nothing i cant do (i get the uae popup a lot though lol)

You've got me worried now lol
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jeremyshaw answered your main question, but let me elaborate since it was my post that caused your concern. When I am talking about accounts, I am not referring you your Windows accounts. I am talking about the account(s) you are using to login to the ftp server. A locked down account is one that has limited access. For ftp, you want to use a login and password that only have access to that ftp folder. You don't want to use your main login and password that you got from your web host to manage the account (the admin account). That admin account can probably do the same stuff as the ftp login, but it is a bad idea to use it in such a way for a couple of reasons. The first and foremost is that every time you login to your ftp account, your username and password are sent in the clear (i.e. not encrypted). There are ways to make it more secure, but the easiest thing to do for something like this is to use a locked down account so that if anyone ever did get the user name and password, they wouldn't be able to do anything but mess with that one ftp directory. If they got the admin account and password, they could do a lot more damage.
 
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