Here are AMD's Radeon VII Benchmarks

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  1. funkydmunky

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    Well I am jumping into VR this year and I really have little choice. Each has a drawback.
    1080ti - Used
    2080 - 8GB
    V7 - Power use(guessing little OC headroom)
    All three are a tie in my mind. Each has pro's and cons. At this point I see no other logical choices if I want to game. And I am running a 7950 atm so I am due!
     
  2. Eymar

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    The big deal to me is AMD has caught up (with GCN no less) in general DX11/DX12 performance on similar transistor count/clock speeds to 2080. If Navi improves on power and Nvidia continues using part of their transistor budget on tensor and RT cores then it is conceivable that AMD can win the benchmark wars (in non RT games) with same price\segment next gen cards. I wouldn't hold my breath for that, but I'm genuinely surprised that a GCN card is matching up with 2080 at similar clocks.
     
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    OpenGL?

    A
     
  4. Eymar

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    Well if you're going VR then Nvidia is really the best option for performance. 2080 probably the best option with the inclusion of VR-link
     
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    Pretty sure it's the Polaris replacement but that doesn't mean it can't be high end.

    To my understanding Polaris/Navi are GDDR 5/6 gpu's designed with consumer usage in mind while Vega/??? are the more expensive HBM gpu's designed with enterprise/research usage in mind.

    Nvidia is using the same approach it seems with Volta being the enterprise and Turing being the consumer GPU's.

    With that in mind, I see no reason why AMD can't/won't follow suite with Nvidia and release a HALO consumer GPU based on the NAVI arch.
     
  6. Thatguybil

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    But it can RAY TRACE!!!!

    ;)
     
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  7. oROEchimaru

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    that is a steal and i would of bit!
     
  8. Mega6

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    Rumors have Navi as a 14nm part, that should tell you a lot.
     
  9. Dahkoht

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    Honestly , still sitting on my Titan Pascal (first one , it oc's to 2000 fine thankfully ) for 2.5 years now. I play at 4k 60hz 32" and won't go back to under 4k. So it looks like going on three years later there's still nothing out there reliably worth an upgrade. Good value for me , ridiculous too at the same time.

    If AMD had come out with a card at 800-900 even with zero RTX features , but 2080ti 4k speeds with zero chance of space invaders I'd jump on it.

    I don't give a shit about RTX featuers for some shiny shit in two games for the next three years at a god awful performance hit.

    Are Nvidia and AMD stuck at some point for "normal" speeds (no new RTX , split hair ends that glow, other shit that doesn't matter etc etc ) wall that can't really be gone past much for some reason ?


    As it is a card from August of 2016 at 4k doesn't really have anything that trounces it in 2019. With nothing on the near future either.

    Both companies suck at the high end atm.
     
  10. Californian

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    Probably more to do with AA and other bandwidth/ROP/etc heavy things?
     
  11. Riccochet

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    Poorly
     
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  12. DF-1

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    also 1080 here.

    $1200 is double what i paid, and it's just almost double the performance.

    usually new generations give you better price/performance. This is just silly.
     
  13. Cobalt35

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    So there are several games that go from ~28fps to ~34fps. Woooooow!!

    /sarcasm.

    They're still unplayable.
     
  14. piscian18

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    Its more complicated for me because The GTX 2080ti shines over the GTX 1080 in 4K. I game at 1440p. They don't make a (34"+ 4k 144hz monitor.) There only seems to be a 40-50% gain. $500-600? sure. 1300???? shooo go on get outa here. I paid exactly $525 for my GTX1080 in 2017.
     
  15. Iceshot

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    Meh, going to sit on my 1070 and ride it out until after Navi is released. By then, we should know if Nvidia's 1100 series rumors pan out. At 1440p gaming, still have respectable FPS now and for the foreseeable future.

    With AMD & Nvidia's pricing right now, not compelled to upgrade at the current price points.
     
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    Yeah I know, Asus has a competing monitor as well. I want my ultrawide and I will be a big whiny baby until I get it :). Honestly once I went ultrawide I could never go back. Ultrawide was actually a downgrade from surround, but you get more support :(.
     
  18. IdiotInCharge

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    But they haven't caught up- they're still two years behind, while using a more advanced node.
     
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    What’s more terrible, this post or that it was like by 3 people?
     
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    Having to read it yet again. ;)
     
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  21. gbnz

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    Am I wrong in thinking this card is inefficient with its 300W TDP? The 1080 Ti which it is somewhat similar to is only about 250W if im not mistaken. I would of thought 7nm would of got the power draw down or is AMD just clocking this high to compete?
     
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  22. ManofGod

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    Ah, nope, they are not two years behind at all. But hey, not our fault Nvidia is dragging their feet and over charging for the "product". Oh, and the end result of the on screen image has to through compression on the Nvidia product, not so on the AMD product and in my opinion, that means that the image is not as good and they are reducing the quality just to up the fps.
     
  23. ManofGod

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    We don't know since we do not yet have that information.
     
  24. ManofGod

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    If I did not already have a RX Vega 56 flashed with a Vega 64 bios, I might consider this card. However, I have been gaming at 1080p 144hz freesync style with my Powercolor Red Devil RX580 and enjoying that very much.
     
  25. RobCalleg

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    Freesync 1080 144hz Vega 56 here too.

    No way im paying 700 for this card plus a new 1440 or 4K monitor. That’s my only upgrade path. I’m stuck.

    Edit,
    Overwatch maxed out plays at 144fps
    Rise of the Tomb Raider maxed (i think) runs at 60-80 FPS
    Doom maxed runs at 90-110 FPS

    if I get a new 1440 or 4K monitor my frames will drop below 60 and if i keep the monitor and buy this card I gain some frames. Have to do both to see a real difference. EXPENSIVE
     
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  26. ManofGod

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    Well, I have a Samsung 4k 43 inch TV that I have hooked up to my Vega 56. :) I bought that in December of 2017 for $349 plus tax.
     
  27. wrangler

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    hmmmm…..

    Lot's of new AMD gaming machines out there now.

    Is anybody else out there like me with the ocd?

    Right now I have Intel/Nvidia. But I am intrigued to consider an all AMD system... It is viable now without giving up much if anything....
     
  28. IdiotInCharge

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    They just 'caught up' to the 1080Ti

    :ROFLMAO:
     
  29. Tsumi

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    Don't underestimate the trickle effect of having a halo product on the lower tier products.

    Yes, it is overpriced, especially when comparing it to how Ryzen was priced against Intel.
     
  30. Snowdensjacket

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    I play a lot of total war Warhammer 2. I just used DSR to mimic 4k on my 1080p system and ran the battle benchmark with my OCed rtx 2070. I got 32.6 fps while amd is reporting 34.6. Though they do not say what benchmark they used.

    In the campaign benchmark I got 40.0 fps.

    In the Skaven benchmark I got 42.3 fps.

    This is with my OCed 2070 with the core clock averaging 2085 mhz with the memory at +800. I don't even know what stock is. 1600mhz or something.

    Will be interesting to see the [H] review.

    And hey will be even more interesting if "it just works" DLSS ever actually works.
     
  31. Imhotep

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    5960X with 2 cores disabled + V64 Farcry 5 benchmark in 4k with HD Textures on. Scores exactly what AMD claims. This Vega VII can swing 4K with FreeSync comfortably. Sneaking in the card will be easy, but how will I explain to the other half that my monitor suddenly got bigger :D
     
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  32. maxius

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    they always find out man lol
     
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    So basically,
    • it lack RTX and PhysX
    • being sold at a guesstimated $50USD loss
    • same performance as a 1080TI from 2 years ago
    What really jumps out at me is they used an Intel i7 7700K. Was Ryzen not fast enough?!

    AMD should really foucson the valuse segment.
     
  34. Chimpee

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    Its not like AMD didn't want to focus on the mainstream segment, but at the moment they cannot due to whatever issues AMD is having with Navi.
     
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  35. maxius

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    • PhysX is a software layer thats been incorporated into game engines and is now platform agnostic.
    • How did you come up with this ascertain? show me the numbers that support your statement?
    • Same performance as a rtx 2080 that was launched 3 months ago your 1080ti argument is useless compare new to new ffs
    Amd is doing what they do best release a product that is an alternative to nv's high end card.

    perhaps you should stick to your day job?
     
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  36. IdiotInCharge

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    It's missing the features on the 2080, so it is 1080Ti-level.
     
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  37. maxius

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    those features are dead on arrival as till consoles support ray tracing! no dev without buckets of nv money are going to waste time for the 1% that have rtx cards and with those "features" off the table off the cards are comparable
     
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    Last time I checked No physX in Borderlands with AMD. We'll see if that changes with Borderlands 3.
    As for my asscertion :

    did you not read the word guessimate?

    And finally the last guy answered you.

    My be you should also stick to your day job?
     
  39. IdiotInCharge

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    AMD is implementing DXR. Your argument is wholly invalid; RTX will be used on major releases going forward.
     
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    Your opinion is so valuable here simply because those of us that will be buying it also expect RTX at 30 FPS...from a VEGA VII...:D