Still better than this http://static.flickr.com/74/209855018_e693be173d.jpg or http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com...is-Not-Good-for-Your-Back-Advisory-Says-2.jpg
And you are saying this make the display better?
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Hate your matte film?
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Still better than this http://static.flickr.com/74/209855018_e693be173d.jpg or http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com...is-Not-Good-for-Your-Back-Advisory-Says-2.jpg
And you are saying this make the display better?
I don't know, I'm seeing a big difference in contrast ratio with my TV when I turn the lights off. You may not be able to measure it but it's perceptible to the eye. The blacks actually look the same as when the tv is turned off, almost indistinguishable, but if there's not enough ambient light you can already see a faint glow, and the blacks get significantly worse in complete dark.
But it's not just the black levels, slight reflections give an illusion of depth to the picture as well.
On the other hand my matte laptop looks like utter crap no mater the lighting conditions it is in, it actually look worse in bright daylight.
The same thing was with my s27a950d, it was more reflective in the bright room than my tv, but it sure looked its best that way.
This might not be the case with some highly reflective screens like apple display, and those that use glass instead of plastic coating, but with darker toned down gloss finish it works for sure.
Well, I guess maybe it's just a matter of individual perception.
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I don't know, I'm seeing a big difference in contrast ratio with my TV when I turn the lights off. You may not be able to measure it but it's perceptible to the eye. The blacks actually look the same as when the tv is turned off, almost indistinguishable, but if there's not enough ambient light you can already see a faint glow, and the blacks get significantly worse in complete dark.
But it's not just the black levels, slight reflections give an illusion of depth to the picture as well.
On the other hand my matte laptop looks like utter crap no mater the lighting conditions it is in, it actually look worse in bright daylight.
The same thing was with my s27a950d, it was more reflective in the bright room than my tv, but it sure looked its best that way.
This might not be the case with some highly reflective screens like apple display, and those that use glass instead of plastic coating, but with darker toned down gloss finish it works for sure.
Well, I guess maybe it's just a matter of individual perception.
I agree. It is hard to explain but a glossy, shiny looking display does give a sense of greater sharpness and contrast to the image. Of course if a huge amount of light is being reflected the opposite is true, but in normal lighting conditions it is pleasant to me.
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Still better than this http://static.flickr.com/74/209855018_e693be173d.jpg or http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com...is-Not-Good-for-Your-Back-Advisory-Says-2.jpg
And you are saying this make the display better?
You can't have a direct light source behind a glossy monitor which is what you are showing in those pictures. Direct light sources hitting any monitor type is a bad thing and will wash out the settings.
Here is an extreme example of direct light source(camera flash in this case) hitting an ag and a glossy screen.
Just like setting up a tv surround sound array or a photo studio, you should design your gaming (and/or pc design) station layout appropriately. The stereotypical stuffing away of the pc desk against the wall like a bookshelf is the worst possible setup and acts as a catcher's mitt for direct light pollution. Direct light sources hitting any monitor surface will change the way your eyes see the contrast, brightness, and saturation. Allowing ambient lighting swings will also change the way your eyes see your settings as well.
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ITT: people think they dislike the matte coating but actually they just like to see their own reflections
jk
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ITT: people think they dislike the matte coating but actually they just like to see their own reflections
jk
Haha, you're probably right. I remember always seeing myself slightly on my gateway p7805u when the screen turned completely black and being like... oh! Hello handsome
I wish I could even take off the ag coating on my fg2421 monitor, but I found out the coating they used on the ag is not water soluble and won't come off with the "wet towels" technique.
You can't have a direct light source behind a glossy monitor which is what you are showing in those pictures. Direct light sources hitting any monitor type is a bad thing and will wash out the settings.
Here is an extreme example of direct light source(camera flash in this case) hitting an ag and a glossy screen.
Just like setting up a tv surround sound array or a photo studio, you should design your gaming (and/or pc design) station layout appropriately. The stereotypical stuffing away of the pc desk against the wall like a bookshelf is the worst possible setup and acts as a catcher's mitt for direct light pollution. Direct light sources hitting any monitor surface will change the way your eyes see the contrast, brightness, and saturation. Allowing ambient lighting swings will also change the way your eyes see your settings as well.
Biased picture are biased.
Here is a far more unbiased version of what it look like when you have light shine on both a matte and glossy surface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matte_display#mediaviewer/File:Glossy-Matte-394-S1.png
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I said it was an extreme example and that it was a camera flash.
Is this one better? lol
Obviously the links I quoted from your previous post were also "extreme" or "worst case" bias.. horribly positioned desk+glossy monitor photos where there was a sliding glass door or large windows in bright sunlight right behind the glossy monitors. The joke picture I posted also has a giant sliding glass door or window behind reflecting in the glass.
Any monitor gets direct light pollution so really rather than putting your desk up against a wall like a bookshelf with all your room lighting and windows behind your back (where the screen acts like a catcher's mitt for light pollution),you should set your desk facing away from a wall or corner with no windows or light bulbs/sources behind your back, instead putting all windows and light sources behind the backs of the monitors and if anything needed close it being desk lamps or floor lamps in line with the monitors and not in front of their faces. This is especially true of glossy monitors. If you design your gaming/design room properly you can have plenty of light without bouncing lasers off the glossy surface.
Is this one better? lol
Obviously the links I quoted from your previous post were also "extreme" or "worst case" bias.. horribly positioned desk+glossy monitor photos where there was a sliding glass door or large windows in bright sunlight right behind the glossy monitors. The joke picture I posted also has a giant sliding glass door or window behind reflecting in the glass.
Any monitor gets direct light pollution so really rather than putting your desk up against a wall like a bookshelf with all your room lighting and windows behind your back (where the screen acts like a catcher's mitt for light pollution),you should set your desk facing away from a wall or corner with no windows or light bulbs/sources behind your back, instead putting all windows and light sources behind the backs of the monitors and if anything needed close it being desk lamps or floor lamps in line with the monitors and not in front of their faces. This is especially true of glossy monitors. If you design your gaming/design room properly you can have plenty of light without bouncing lasers off the glossy surface.
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pcalltheway3
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Guys im trying to get acer to start releasing gaming monitors with option of both matte and glossy.
Here is the post I made they want to hear more from people.
http://community.acer.com/t5/Acer-Ideas/Glossy-panel-G-sync-monitors/idc-p/350982#
And link to post on this site if you want to join discussion
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1041496971#post1041496971
Here is the post I made they want to hear more from people.
http://community.acer.com/t5/Acer-Ideas/Glossy-panel-G-sync-monitors/idc-p/350982#
And link to post on this site if you want to join discussion
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1041496971#post1041496971
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Dell have recently released a 5k monitor with a PDC, thanks to apple, because apparently they are trying to compete with the new imac. We can only hope that they will drop the matte coating completely some day and the others will follow. There's no reason to ruin perfectly fine monitors with a thick matte film, when good compromises like pcd are available and are cheap to implement (you can find it on some korean monitors already) .
Some might argue that PDC ruins blacks, but it's almost non reflective and does provide even more clearer colors than the usual plastic gloss. Still better than the faded look of the matte.
Some might argue that PDC ruins blacks, but it's almost non reflective and does provide even more clearer colors than the usual plastic gloss. Still better than the faded look of the matte.
I still have my matte film removal equipment, thinking about starting up the service again in May. Especially for the Swift and the new Acer Predator. I'll get two of each and try my removal, may need to experiment with different chemicals.
So that beg's the question, with a certain risk involved in de-matte'ing $700-$800 monitors and I would have to eat that cost if a failure were to occur. What would you guys think is a reasonable price for the service? My previous removal charge was $99+shipping for the popular $249-299 Asus VG248QE lightboost monitor. Which by the way made a HUGE difference in picture quality!
So that beg's the question, with a certain risk involved in de-matte'ing $700-$800 monitors and I would have to eat that cost if a failure were to occur. What would you guys think is a reasonable price for the service? My previous removal charge was $99+shipping for the popular $249-299 Asus VG248QE lightboost monitor. Which by the way made a HUGE difference in picture quality!
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Vega I think it would depend on how many people you get using the service. I mean maybe if you tacked on an insurance fee to cover a failure/loss of a monitor. As long as that didn't happen very often and you had enough customers, that theoretically multiplied by the number of customers could cover the cost of replacing a failed removal.
If it were 1 in 40 monitors/customers,
$800monitor / 40 = $20 ins.
$800 monitor / 20 = $40 ins....
1 in 10 monitors/customers would be $80 ins.
Would depend on the number of customers and the calculated risk/failure rate I'd think. Just some ideas to play with. That's outside of the actual removal service fee and shipping of course but it would be a lot more appealing if you had option to have a total loss covered, for either you or the customers.
If it were 1 in 40 monitors/customers,
$800monitor / 40 = $20 ins.
$800 monitor / 20 = $40 ins....
1 in 10 monitors/customers would be $80 ins.
Would depend on the number of customers and the calculated risk/failure rate I'd think. Just some ideas to play with. That's outside of the actual removal service fee and shipping of course but it would be a lot more appealing if you had option to have a total loss covered, for either you or the customers.
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pcalltheway3
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If you dematte a XB240H and its pixel perfect and no major backlight uniformity
id buy in heartbeat for $500-550 they retail for $400
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not sure about that panel but i think that my dematte'd vg248qe has worse viewing angles than it did before. or it could just be that i don't remember the original monitor's viewing angles very well...
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Glossy should always be the standard out of the box this way if the consumer wants a matte'like film then have them buy it from a third party just they do with all the tablets and smartphones. Matte film for monitors has been out for years and it can be overall cheaper this way than having it already installed out of the box since its less material and processing.
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