Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'Motherboards' started by FrgMstr, Nov 28, 2007.
Read the story here.
Definitely a result of NV/Intel bad blood. NV refusing to licence SLI on Intel chipsets, Intel hitting back with this Yorkfield crap. Weren't the ES Yorkfields fine on 680i? If that's the case these two companies need to get their shit together.
Biggest CPU manufacturer fighting biggest GPU manufacturer = all lose out.
"Intel is about to have their own video cards and SLI solutions in the market, possibly as early as 2008, and Intel is betting that when that happens, there will be little need for NVIDIA chipsets in the market place"
Nice finally Nvidia might have some competition. Me personally would rather have Intel chipsets and be able to SLI. I would never buy a 680i mobo after all the bad things I've heard.
Could, (and should), Nvidia sue Intel for restraint of trade, IF Intel simply refuses to license their CPUs to Nvidia after 2008?
What's your opinion Kyle?
/shrug, all Intel has to do is not disclose to Nvidia the engineering data for Nehalem board development and I would think the Nvidia chipset business would be mortally wounded. Is there some existing agreement that Intel must honor and share Nehalem engineering ?
huh ? Skulltrail uses Nvidia chips embedded on the Intel board to provide SLI but are you talking about Intel coming up with their own proprietary video card "teaming" scheme ?
ALL INTEL INSIDE ! (Why does that make my wallet cringe in fear ? )
I guess I've been living under a rock - since when did Intel announce / someone leak information that Intel would be producing dedicated graphics cards? I can't find any info on the net either... Someone help me out here please.
Works both ways. NV refusing to license SLI on Intel chipsets means in court it would be hard for NV to win. They've kind of dug their own grave. Anyway, where does it say Intel is going to stop NV from making their own version of chipset?
I don't think that this went down like that at all. I seriously doubt that Intel designed Yorkfield and Wolfdale chips with the goal of making them incompatible with 680i SLI boards.
I would agree with you but there seems to be a lot of peeps on different forums saying their engineering sample Yorkies run fine. Just what changed between ES and commercial release?
I wasn't aware that any of the Yorkfield Engineering samples worked on 680i SLI boards. If that is indeed the case then perhaps I was wrong concerning the hatred between Intel and NVIDIA.
I want to know exactly what this 'circuit change' is. If it's something that requires balls and a soldering iron I'll be among the first to give in a shot. I suspect it'd be a variation on what a few people over at XS have already done to improve the voltage regulation of the board and reduce or eliminate vdroop. If it's at the PCB level, which it may well be... eh.
The sad thing is that a lot of board manufacturers (Abit, Asus, Evga, etc) are going to "take a hit on their PR chin" over this when really they had nothing to due with it. In the end, the end consumers (us), who paid $200 plus for their 680i board takes the biggest hit.
Imagine a world where Nvidia and Intel worked together to ensure compatibility so that the customer doesn't get burned. This would be a world where Intel and Nvidia grew their consumer base instead of shrinking it.
I am sure a few Intel/Nvidia folks will move over to the AMD/Crossfire solution over this in the coming several months. Let's see if AMD can release the products to keep them there.
Competition is a good thing.
As it stands, nVidia really is the company with a lot to lose. If they don't sort things out with Intel, AMD can really shine with their native solutions that cover CPU, MB and GPU and work best together.
If nvidia wants to play ball as the king of the hill GPU maker, they have to work with intel to make SLI work there too even if it hurts their mb board share. Though if nvidia can come up with something more stable, better performing, cheaper than intel on a mb front, then all the power to them.
Maybe Nvidia will finally start putting out their own CPUs...
This isnt so bad for NVidia.
Intel have produced a chip that isnt compatible with 680i so they will probably take the rap for it.
NVidia make a new board and sell lots more!
Unless it can be proven that NVidia changed the design or introduced a flaw, NVidia shouldnt look bad.
I dont think this is any form of company fighting, just the way it goes.
Intel coming up with their own video card and SLI solution. And AMD/ATI.
So we use to have two (I guess you can say three or more) companies making cpu's, a few making chipsets, a couple making video cards. Now companies are consolidating more and more. Pretty soon it will basically be two companies for cpu, gpu and chipset.
Good for business, bad for us.
A good flashback read from April of this year.
State of the Silicon Union - Q207
I got some of it wrong, but even if AMD would have scaled to 3GHz as expected, which they still might, things would be back on track for them somewhat. But anyway, the statement above made me remember saying this back in April.
Exactly. Good for stock holders. Not for consumers when the playing field gets smaller.
Yep time to buy 1000 shares of Intel.
lol , a reworked 680i with a pci-e 2.0 add on chip, next gen HA !
And I feel for the recent 680i buyers but look at what Intel has done to Intel customers over the last 14 mounts,
Board after board with minimal performance increases, same cpu respun with new numbers but NO performance increase. It is not like the new ones are any faster than my OCed E6300 I bought the first day C2D's were available. OK more cache, /yawn. We (that hang around here and places like it ) are knowledable enough to avoid the major BS but the average consumer ?
Intel is clearly in the divers seat and within the 6 months has started acting that way, at least it seems that way to me. An you know, they are in business first and foremost to make money. But dear God no, we do not need another Microsoft on the hardware side.
I don't understand why NV didn't license SLi to intel in the first place. I mean, AMD licenses Crossfire to intel, and you'd think they'd be more in a position to say no and they don't? Or is that a remnant of the old ATI agreeing to it and AMD inheriting it? Either way, this little squabble certainly bumps AMD's spider platform's attractiveness in my eyes, and come Q2 if AMD gets their 45nm up to decent speeds, that's exactly the route I'm going. Speed is great, but not at the cost of incompatability.
purely conjecture on my part, but this intel nvidia mash up may simply be about intel seeing profitability in the discrete graphics market. both company's boards are ubiquitous among enthusiasts, when was the last time you went to frys and didn't see as many intel boards as nvidia boards? considering this stalemate, and intel's dominance in the cpu market, challenging nvidia on the gpu front seems almost practical.
what about my 650i chipset?
If Intel does enter the graphics race,it could be the kick in the pants Nvidia needs.They've faced little competition from ATI,and they've counted on people buying their motherboards just to get SLI.With the money and resources Intel has,they could give them real competition.Their motherboard chipsets are clearly superior,add their own graphics cards and SLI alternative,and Nvidia could be in trouble.
Well, as I understand it, nVidia doesn't even allow Crossfire certification logo besides their own on PSU boxes. They don't want anyone to believe that Crossfire is even remotely similar/as good as SLi. This could be one reason they held back licensing SLi to Intel.
One problem though, is anyone REALLY going to be tempted to buy an intel graphics card over an Nvidia? SLI solutions is one thing, but video cards.... i dunno
Who knows? Intel does have years of experience making highly efficient GFX shader pipes for their chip sets. Coupled with possible 32nm process advantage by 2009 who knows what hundreds of those currently low power pipes combined can do?
With the market possibly split into Intel/AMD for complete solutions Nvedia would become the odd man out. should both camp decide to hold back technical details to Nvedia to handicap Nvedia it could be in a real shit hole.
If their cards are better,you can bet people will buy them.Especially coupled with their own SLI motherboards that have the stability Intel chipsets are known for.It's a logical next step for Intel,they know the only reason people buy Nvidia's MB's is for the SLI,( it certainly isn't for their dependability).By developing their own cards,they not only open a new area for profit,they also probably drastically cut down Nvidia's competition in motherboard sales.
Ironically, HD3870 CF turns out to be just as good or better than 8800GT SLI, at least without AA/AF:
Conclusion is, Nvidia needs to get into the CPU business. But do they have what it takes?
whats the point of multiple gpu if not for more aa and af?
More frames per second?
I noticed this a couple days ago when looking over ASUS's 45nm compatibility guide for all their recent chipset 775 mobos:
That sort of thinking is how nVidia killed 3Dfx in the first place.
Higher res and/or fps. Besides, 2x HD 3870 are not that far behind 2x 8800 in the AA/AF dept considering the price difference.
I find it hard to believe that Intel could just jump in the Graphic's market! It took Nvidia years or research and development to get where they are. With that said, does Intel has a patent sharing technology agreement with Nvidia, because they must have, if Intel believe's that they can get in the Graphics market and have a competitive solution over the Big 2!
If Intel has the business concept and strategy of "Doing what is good for Intel but not doing good for the Group also"....fella's than we are in for a rough future!
Intel is in the graphics business, granted, none of us think about this much because it's only integrated graphics, but it wasn't so long ago that Intel tried to become a player in the high-end segment. Doesn't anybody remember the i740 graphics card? It was availible at the same time as GeForce2, Ati's Rage, and 3DFX's Voodoo.
Even if Intel did, NVIDIA would have known sometime ago that the CPU simply would not work in the boards. But instead of doing the right thing and informing consumers as quickly as possible they simply ignored it so as not to hurt sales of the 680
Intel changed the microcode on the CPUs between ES and retail so all that really is needed is a BIOS update on the i680. However it seems Intel refuse to share the microcode information until Nvida give up the SLI license.
The reason a separate component now is needed to get it working isn't technical, but due to licensing.
QFT. Intel's graphic solutions are the largest percentage in the graphics market. I think that Intel graphic solutions are actually in over 50% of all the laptops. Intel is just trying to re-enter the discrete graphics market. I remember seeing some computers at work that came with i740 Intel cards, they weren't anything notable when it came to 3D, but the driver support and image clarity was way above the SiS and VIA integrated solution that a lot of our low end machines had.
seconded. i'm not optimistic.
ASUS says i'm good to go.
rock solid and heart-touching!
notice how it says its multicore ready for 45nm chips, but it doesn't say quad core though....