I am not the guy, but I will answer for him: another rebranded card with software DX11 emulation would justify 1.If GTX 470 gets 4, what would get 1 for you? My verdict for GTX 470 would be 1 since it loses in every single way.
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I am not the guy, but I will answer for him: another rebranded card with software DX11 emulation would justify 1.If GTX 470 gets 4, what would get 1 for you? My verdict for GTX 470 would be 1 since it loses in every single way.
The performance is comparable. It just loses out on the noise, price, and power consumption front.
So if it pushes the FPS at a comparable rate, the tech isn't that bad, it's just not as good a VALUE as the 5850.
And it certainly wouldn't be considered an upgrade over a 5850 since it came out 7 months later and is still NOT appreciably faster.
For it to earn a 1 it would have to be considerably slower. For me a 1 would mean that i wouldn't even use it for anything but a very expensive paperweight.
As long as you keep the volume at the same level, you can compare the cards relative to each other. Btw dB scale is a logarithmic scale and cannot be compared directly.Watching a video is no way accurate to judge sound since it'll depend a lot on how loud I crank my speakers. I'd rather just trust sound measurements from the same site (assuming they keep the same methodology).
"Moving on, we have the GTX 470 to discuss. Its not NVIDIAs headliner so its easy to get lost in the shuffle. With a price right between the 5850 and 5870, it delivers performance right where youd expect it to be. At 5-10% slower than the 5870 on average, its actually a straightforward value proposition: you get 90-95% of the performance for around 87% of the price. Its not a huge bargain, but its competitively priced against the 5870. Against the 5850 this is less true where its a mere 2-8% faster, but this isnt unusual for cards above $300 the best values are rarely found there. The 5850 is the bargain hunters card, otherwise if you can spend more pick a price and youll find your card. Just keep in mind that the GTX 470 is still going to be louder/hotter than any 5800 series card, so there are tradeoffs to make, and we imagine most people would err towards the side of the cooler Radeon cards."
Why are you lying munif? These metrics by anandtech CLEARLY show that the card is better for price/performance. I am going to report you for spreading propoganda. This isn't fair. If you conduct these polls, do so without bias. I will not allow you to misrepresent your favorite brand's competition because you feel you have the right.
And the results from [H] CLEARLY show that the 470 is slower in each game tested than the 5850. Anandtech uses canned benchmarks, [H] uses actual gameplay. So great, the 470 can bench faster than the 5850, but the 5850 is faster playing games while using a shit ton less power.
Watching a video is no way accurate to judge sound since it'll depend a lot on how loud I crank my speakers. I'd rather just trust sound measurements from the same site (assuming they keep the same methodology).
Unfortunately, test from different sites can't be compared. Different methods, ambient acoustics, and such.
After comparing [H]'s 5870 noise level to my own, and adjusting my speaker volume accordingly, both of the GTX4x0 cards are louder/more annoying when under load. Hopefully, you can take manual control of the fan and not burn up the card.
And real gameplay guarantees the amount of polygons rendered for each video card are identical, right? WRONG.
You cannot optimize hotpaths on a compiler for a video card due to "canned benchmarks", that is an absolutely FALSE argument.
You're WRONG, pal. A "canned" benchmark guarantees the same control group for the 2 variables being tested. Do you honestly think testing without a control group is a valid, scientific way to show that one card is better than another?
No, it isn't, and it never was. I highly suggest you prepare your next argument as I'm currently doing compiler optimization with Machine Learning research, so I'll be happy to sit you down and tell you the difference.
The amount of uneducation on any forum astounds me, and I will not allow these intangible results pollute the power of a video card. If you can show me how exactly, using llvm or the likes, the compiler optimization is done for "canned benchmarks", I will eat my own words.
Until then, I am not going to tolerate people bashing a video card that, when given the IDENTICAL CONTROL GROUP TO THE ATI OFFERING, beats it.
If you want to talk methodology, that's fine. I think the way H reviews is different, and very good. But do not let it fool you into thinking that it is some true way of comparing cards.
Comparison needs to have the same environment and testbed for both variables we're testing. Unfortunately, "real world gameplay" could mean that one cutscene experiences many more polygons than the other depending upon actions taken. That's like saying "The set of infinitely uncountable real numbers shows that this borel algebra has a larger measure than this sigma algebra". Sure it does, but it's also an infinitely uncountable probability space, which we define an outer measure on.
Anyways.
And real gameplay guarantees the amount of polygons rendered for each video card are identical, right? WRONG.
You cannot optimize hotpaths on a compiler for a video card due to "canned benchmarks", that is an absolutely FALSE argument.
You're WRONG, pal. A "canned" benchmark guarantees the same control group for the 2 variables being tested. Do you honestly think testing without a control group is a valid, scientific way to show that one card is better than another?
No, it isn't, and it never was. I highly suggest you prepare your next argument as I'm currently doing compiler optimization with Machine Learning research, so I'll be happy to sit you down and tell you the difference.
The amount of uneducation on any forum astounds me, and I will not allow these intangible results pollute the power of a video card. If you can show me how exactly, using llvm or the likes, the compiler optimization is done for "canned benchmarks", I will eat my own words.
Until then, I am not going to tolerate people bashing a video card that, when given the IDENTICAL CONTROL GROUP TO THE ATI OFFERING, beats it.
If you want to talk methodology, that's fine. I think the way H reviews is different, and very good. But do not let it fool you into thinking that it is some true way of comparing cards.
Comparison needs to have the same environment and testbed for both variables we're testing. Unfortunately, "real world gameplay" could mean that one cutscene experiences many more polygons than the other depending upon actions taken. That's like saying "The set of infinitely uncountable real numbers shows that this borel algebra has a larger measure than this sigma algebra". Sure it does, but it's also an infinitely uncountable probability space, which we define an outer measure on.
Anyways.
But the tests are controlled. If they are not controlled, the shapes of the frame rate graphs would not match to such an astonishing degree.You're WRONG, pal. A "canned" benchmark guarantees the same control group for the 2 variables being tested. Do you honestly think testing without a control group is a valid, scientific way to show that one card is better than another?
5: Mediocre.
With all the extra transistors (50% more) and memory bandwidth (50% more), the 480 should be getting a much larger (than 10-15%) performance jump over the 5870.
It is a bit faster, but it is much bigger/hotter and more expensive to produce.
Overall, not a very impressive cycle for NVidia.
And real gameplay guarantees the amount of polygons rendered for each video card are identical, right? WRONG.
If you live somewhere like Alaska or Greenland, sure. If not, then I guess the most obvious question is, "What about when summer comes round?"The upside to these units is that they could replace a space hater. So there's another nice major feature that they have.
I give it 10. Fastest single card on the market. What else is there to discuss?
I give it 5 for the following reasons:
No true Eyefinity, too loud, too much heat, heavy power requirement and not enough performance.
With some luck, the GTX 580 is only 6 months away...
/agree... 15-20%+ more performance for 20% more price ($400 vs 500) 5870 vs. 480, at most, what's there to discuss? Some driver flaws but it's out in a couple weeks which hopefully will see fixes regardless... in some cases it is beating out the 5870 by 30% or more, not a bad showing.
Price/performance never scales linearly at the top of the heap. All I see are a lot of fanATIcs changing their complaints at random to try to put down the Fermi, because of their bright red goggles.
nvidia needs to drop their prices. You would have to give me better performance at the same $$$ for being a power hog.
480 $400
470 $300
According to the thread YOU STARTED its 7-15% faster. Just decide to make up the 15-20%+ number or what?
That would be a best case scenario, but I just can't see it happening. Nvidia knows that they can sell those cards at that premium price due to either customer loyalty(fanboys) or ignorance(those who think AMD is a second rate chip maker, GPU wise).
That would be a best case scenario, but I just can't see it happening. Nvidia knows that they can sell those cards at that premium price due to either customer loyalty(fanboys) or ignorance(those who think AMD is a second rate chip maker, GPU wise).
15%+, some games show a gain of 30-40%, some show 10-15%. The thread I started said around 15%. No one buys a $500 video card to run without AA . Had I omitted the non-AA results, you simply would have whined that I "cherry-picked" results .
I was nice and gave it an 8.
I see Newegg has a SAPPHIRE 100282-3SR Radeon HD 5850 for $279 (in stock and for this weekend only), to me the 5850 is the Fermi killer.
And yet it only average 15% faster overall WITH AA. That does not translate to 15-20%+, it translates to 15% if you only look at with AA (you're so called "cherry-picked" situation).