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Good Modular PSUs

Spectre said:
I would not recommend an Ultra. No offense to dude with some crappy 450w ;)

The good modulars are teh Antec Neopower, OCZ Modstreams and possibly the SuperFlower Plug-N.


Use the search feature Luke........
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The ModStream PSUs, unfortunately, do not have dual +12 V rails. So I don't think that makes them good anymore, considering how more and more PSUs are supporting dual +12 V rails.

The Antec NeoPower seems to have it all except the flashy looks. I'm leaning toward getting that - hopefully one will be on sale soon. Newegg had a $30 rebate on them a couple weeks ago, but I hesitated to pull the trigger and missed out. :(
 
beowulf7 said:
The ModStream PSUs, unfortunately, do not have dual +12 V rails. So I don't think that makes them good anymore, considering how more and more PSUs are supporting dual +12 V rails.
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Neither are most of the X-connects that were being considered. The OCZ still has a better build quality, and rails than average that still makes it good. Also it works well for systems that will not be upgraded to need ATX12v2.0 spec compliance.
 
Spectre said:
Neither are most of the X-connects that were being considered. The OCZ still has a better build quality, and rails than average that still makes it good. Also it works well for systems that will not be upgraded to need ATX12v2.0 spec compliance.
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I agree that, in general, the OCZ has much better build quality over the X-Connect. However, the fact that it doesn't even do 30 A at 12 V (I'm referring to the 520 W) is a big disappointment. The NeoPower, rated at "only" 480 W, easily clears 30 A between its two +12 V rails. The NeoPower would be a no-brainer over the ModStream.

The PowerStream is a great PSU, has plenty of amps at 12 V, but is not modular. Too bad OCZ had to "dumb down" the PSU when they made the riced up ModStream. :(
 
Id point out that the Topower\OCZ's are rated at 40C whereas we dont have a definative rating temperature for the Antecs, thus a true tmperature derating curve for direct comparision isnt possible.

and of course there is a vast difference in the crossload profiles of the Powerstreams to the Modstreams
 
I saw that NeoPower at Fry's on Saturday, but I'm going to take it back. I just like the idea of being able to go to SLI one day. I'm going to get a Seasonic S12 600w. No sleeving, not modular. I'll be happier knowing it is something I will most likely not have to upgrade for another 5 years or more.
 
Ratboy said:
another 5 years or more.
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thats a long time

in context

a good PSU properly employed will certainly last that long
what its designed to power may well have moved on to different requirements

even those bastions against change the Monitor isnt immune
 
ive seen a couple people posting here on hardforum saying they are running SLi 7800 GTX's on a NeoPower. Is it really possible or are they just pulling peoples legs?
 
Of course it's possible.

SLi certification is overkill. Doesn't make it WRONG. It's just overkill.
 
So much for going modular. I pulled the trigger on the Seasonic S12-600 (600 W) PSU. :eek:
 
Ice Czar said:
thats a long time

in context

a good PSU properly employed will certainly last that long
what its designed to power may well have moved on to different requirements

even those bastions against change the Monitor isnt immune
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Some might argue that the NeoPower is more likely to be futureproof than say the S12 600w due to the modular design. But I have no doubt that adapters will work just fine, albeit with some added resistance, should I need a new plug. Unless they come out with some new radical ATX spec that will make all current market PSU's obsolete, like some sort of communication interface between motherboards and PSU's or videocards and PSU's, I dunno, something RADICAL that will have a deep impact on system performance, then I trust a higher ceiling in wattage to be my futureproofing.
 
Ratboy said:
Some might argue that the NeoPower is more likely to be futureproof than say the S12 600w due to the modular design. But I have no doubt that adapters will work just fine, albeit with some added resistance, should I need a new plug. Unless they come out with some new radical ATX spec that will make all current market PSU's obsolete, like some sort of communication interface between motherboards and PSU's or videocards and PSU's, I dunno, something RADICAL that will have a deep impact on system performance, then I trust a higher ceiling in wattage to be my futureproofing.
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Can you explain how you think the Neopower will be more future proof than the S12 600w?
 
well my point was in five year we really dont know what kind of amp to rail ratios we will see
mobos might be totally +12V , they are pretty close now actually, and components cant stay on their historic power consumption curve without spray cooling and grown diamond substrates well that or phase change or some other escoteric thermal solutions :p

something has got to give, you project the historic trend in power requirement into the future 5 years and you end up with everyone taxing 850 SSI PCP&C and whatever energy doesnt escape your box as light is converted into heat (after some rather useful employment of course :p )

5 years = 60 Months = Moore Cycles 3.3
3.2GHz x 3 = 9.6GHz

which is why we are seeing dual core development
thats effectively doubling the processing power but only jumping the power consumption 15%

of course currently GPU development is in hyperdrive at something like three times the rate of a CPU Moore Cycle (18 months)

then you add in dedicated physics processors, or offloading technologies like Chimney to dedicated chips....

power and thermal density is going to increase, by what amount is hard to say
enterprise isnt happy with the latest rounds of infrastructure invesments they have had to make (the driving force behind blade servers, increase the density but decrease the total area that need to be cooled) and would perfer to not overtax their latest investments
(going to market adoption, based on a cost benefit ratio)

power and cooling are two sides of the same coin ;)
 
Ice Czar said:
well my point was in five year we really dont know what kind of amp to rail ratios we will see
mobos might be totally +12V , they are pretty close now actually, and components cant stay on their historic power consumption curve without spray cooling and grown diamond substrates well that or phase change or some other escoteric thermal solutions :p

something has got to give, you project the historic trend in power requirement into the future 5 years and you end up with everyone taxing 850 SSI PCP&C and whatever energy doesnt escape your box as light is converted into heat (after some rather useful employment of course :p )

5 years = 60 Months = Moore Cycles 3.3
3.2GHz x 3 = 9.6GHz

which is why we are seeing dual core development
thats effectively doubling the processing power but only jumping the power consumption 15%

of course currently GPU development is in hyperdrive at something like three times the rate of a CPU Moore Cycle (18 months)

then you add in dedicated physics processors, or offloading technologies like Chimney to dedicated chips....

power and thermal density is going to increase, by what amount is hard to say
enterprise isnt happy with the latest rounds of infrastructure invesments they have had to make (the driving force behind blade servers, increase the density but decrease the total area that need to be cooled) and would perfer to not overtax their latest investments
(going to market adoption, based on a cost benefit ratio)

power and cooling are two sides of the same coin ;)
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Yes I understand that. Pretty much what you're explaining is no matter what PSU is out there there now will most likely be specs that will make them obsolete. That's pretty much a given for ALL PSU's. You have to account for maximizing your return on investment (ROI). As of right now with all the current modular PSU's, they are more likely going to be shit canned sooner than say the 600 enermaxes and 700 watt fortons. But all will become obsolete.

I think in honestly looking at your highest ROI you would be best with PSU's like a TPII 550. I would also consider a VERY high ROI to be a 510 w PCP&C since you can send it back to them and have it upgraded for, say, 50 bucks.

Edit to say: Considering the Return in terms of longevity and hrs of use.
 
well when it comes to my RIO
I have a slight advantage over a gamer
they retire to a render cluster :p

or other dedicated duties
NAS, IDS, Browser Boxen
Ive yet to toss out an ATX PSU or loose a complete platform
(lost 2 mobo and 2 sticks of RAM got replaced (Crucial)

and yeh, a good thread ;)
 
Umm...

I'm hard on people for being unnecessarily rough on Ultra, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say X-nay on the Oolmax-cay.

It's made by ATNG and only has 28A on the 12V rail.....

.... and it's $101!!!!

That's more than my non-UV Ultra cost me two years ago and that has a 34A 12V rail! :eek:

If you're willing to spend that much money, I'd still recommend a Modstrem 450W with "only 26A" on the 12V rail for only $85 compared to that.
 
I was just curious about the coolmax as it was the first time I noticed them recently.

Just researching b/c around X-mas when I do my complete overhaul. I think I'm going to sell my current gaming rig minus the HD. And build a whole new system. Based on maybe a Lian Li PC7B Plus (w/120mm fans) a modular PSU with 120mm fan. And try to make the PC as quiet as possibly for an OC'd demon that is.

I'm thinking 4 x 120mm fans at low RPM's maybe on a rheobus/vantec controller. ---- 1 front (stock), 1 rear (stock) 1 top (modded) and 1 side intake by videocard/ CPU (modded)
 
Render said:
what about the aerocool 550w turbine
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I can't confirm this, but that ooks like it's made by Youngyear.

Check out the guts: http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cases/other/psu/acoolt550/index.shtml

LOL! Seems that Aerocool was able to put out the next generation X-Connect before Ultra did! It's the same as the proto I've seen except for the integrated ATX cable (the Ultra ATX connector is still modular. They just made the PSU interface 24-pin instead of 20-pin like last year.) and the light in the center of the 120MM fan (Ultra got rid of the UV lights in the X-Connect.)

Classic! :)
 
Oklahoma Wolf said:
Looks very similar to the Hiper R-Type 580w innards to me... similar markings on the main transformer.
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I dunno. Maybe. I still think it looks more like a Youngyear than a Superflower. I wish they listed a UL number, but it looks like they just show the UL logo w/ no number.
 
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(L) MadDog rebrand (R) SuperFlower branded
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Aerocool by???????(YY)
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Hiper Type R


Edit: Picture credits are (top) jonnyGURU www.slcentral.com (bottom) www.viperlair.com
 
Trying to use my pictures against me? ;)
 
jonnyGURU said:
Trying to use my pictures against me? ;)
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Well at least I gave you credit :p Just posting them though so people can compare on the same screen side by side easier.
 
You know... Now that I see them side by side and looking at the X-Finity 500W I have sitting here on the floor (I don't have the new X-Connect) all together at one time, I now have to say that I feel that the Aerocool isn't made by Superflower or Youngyear... and probably not Wintech either!

So I'm at a loss. Square 0. And there's no UL number, so Im just spinning wheels here. :p

The Aeropower has a UL number on the box, so I'm trying to find a supplier that has one that they can read the number off to me (the pics at Newegg aren't legible) and maybe that can steer me in the right direction.
 
jonnyGURU said:
You know... Now that I see them side by side and looking at the X-Finity 500W I have sitting here on the floor (I don't have the new X-Connect) all together at one time, I now have to say that I feel that the Aerocool isn't made by Superflower or Youngyear... and probably not Wintech either!
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I don't really recognize anything obvious either, which is what's making me question whether Hiper stopped using Fore Point/Fortrex/Superflower and went with something else for the Type R. I can tell the Aerocool and Hiper have identical or very similar main transformers (at least from the markings) in those pics.
 
Eh.. IMHO, that main transformer looks like 90% of them. And the markings on top don't match ANY. :(
 
LOL! Mom!!!!

Why not? She made all of the robots! :D
 
well thats what she looks like in a thousand years, now you know her as Lucy Lu :p
 
Shens!

Lucy Lu had her head stored in a jar!

You must have missed the episode where Fry downloaded Lucy's personality from the Internet. :D
 
i have the superflower plug-n modular PSU and I love it. Comes with a giant 14cm fan blue back lighting, and supports both socket 478 and 775. It doesnt have dual 12v rails but you are running a socket 478 so it doesnt matter
 
jonnyGURU said:
Shens!

Lucy Lu had her head stored in a jar!

You must have missed the episode where Fry downloaded Lucy's personality from the Internet. :D
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LOL I remember that episode! Too bad FOX canned "Futurama". :( :mad:
 
beowulf7 said:
LOL I remember that episode! Too bad FOX canned "Futurama". :( :mad:
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Yeah that was great stuff on Futurama....damn Simpsons staying and not Futurama.

But back on topic. Anyone get a UL number?
 
WOW! , :eek: man I never expected such a good discussion thread from the original posting. Thanks for all the info, recommendations, and contribution to the discussion. :D

Well, I still have my Vantec Stealth 520, but now my G/F's PSU is failing. Errr.. Correction, the fan is buzzing upon startup, and after giving it the once over, it appears to be a fan failure. Considering it's just a 400W Powmax that was included in the case, I'm not upset. It has lasted almost 2 yrs. Can't complain for only $30 for the case and PSU combo at the local ( for you Dallas peeps, 1st Saturday ) computer swap/flea market.

I'm still entertaining the modular PSU idea for my box, and then giving my Vantec Stealth to my G/F. I was leaning towards the Antec Neopower, but the Hyper-R is kinda tempting. I'm still wanting the ATX connector to be modular, but if it's short enough ( so the Hyper-R reviews seem to say ) I think I'd give up that aspect for a better PSU. I'm still leery of the Ultra-X Connects. I don't plan on running a SLI rig, so support for that isn't neccesary. Over the past year, my box has seemed to move from a primary gaming rig, to more of a overall general purpose/usage comp. Don't get me wrong, I still appreciate good quality, but dual 7800's on a mobo with dual-dual core CPU's, 5 SATA 300GB HDD's in a RAID array isn't in my future anytime soon.

Quality, price-to-performance, and scalability are more important to me right now. ( well actually performance, price, and being able to fit the damn thing in my plexi mid-tower )

My funding won't be here unitl Friday, so I've still got a few more days to solidify my decision. If you had apprx $100 +/- 20 to spend, which way would you recommend going?
 
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