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towert7 said:You see, the irony is that.
Dell has the worst support ive ever had the luck of dealing with.
So when your mother says she want's you to get a computer that is reliable and has good tech support............ she's as far off as can possible be in my opinion. (its an opinion).
Now i have nothing wrong with other races and nationalities, but when you call up tech support and get Yamid Elakbar the first, and you have the hardest time trying to understand what he's saying, and he can't understand a darn thing you just said........ it get's a little annoying (and who can forget those "let me put you on hold"... and they just hang up). LOL, try giving your e-mail address to one of them... it will take you an hour just to do that. "Yes sir, my e-mail address is [email protected]"....
why is he an asshole? he should have a right to his own opinion and granted this may not be those of the majority its still an opinion and something he went through. Also why do they have to go all this training, months and months of it just to be a tech support, we need jobs in THIS country not over there. for one we already do speak english, we have many people here who are compentent as well, and dell's tech support in the past was already top notch why did they have to mess with it to save a few bucks. and u have to agree that since they did move it to india compliments have gone up so his claim must hold water. Its not that indians are bad people or workers they are far from it but you live in america with many inpatient people who just don't want to deal with it and criticize others because of it, i certainly can't speak another language and i probably never will, i still applaud them for doing so.Carnival Forces said:you are an asshole.
Qwertyman said:Also included is the matter that basic home users do not know what hardware is in their computer such as harddrives and such so they can't diagnose the problem and if they do they have to go through dell or hp which will take forever and they'll have no computer for that time. Thats why i always tell people to build their own computer. its not very hard for the younger generation. you know where your getting your parts from, u know how to return it, u can diagnosis, what is wrong, and u can save money to buy some better software as well. to me its a win, win situation in many ways. its the same thing with a car most people do not go into a dealership asking for anything they can drive. they want the comfort, the feel, the good parts, the safety, and if your a little car savy you can be more happy with your product so why not do the same with a computer and learn more about what your buying before you actually do so. just my 2 cents.
Qwertyman said:well of course everyone can't be an expert at everything, i was just to lazy to type that. also everyone should have basic knowledge of most things such as the stuff in the above post, which i'm also to lazy to type.
chuckm1020 said:ok are u ready for the price. your going to get sick. $5100 with tax and shipping
Additionally, as to outsourcing "stealing our jobs":
1]No it doesn't, a recent government inquiry released stated that it BENEFITED our economy.
2]As pe Paul Krugman (New York Times), Outsourcing was made possible only by AMERICAN companies laying the foundations, therefore, it reciprocates and HELPS American companies back.
3]No need to get mad at the Indians, it's YOUR companies who are doing it. The Indians are just trying to make an honest living like everyone else.
4]It's your government that makes it possible for Indian call-centers to be profitable; minimum wage here is higher than in India, therefore American companies will go where its cheapest (just like Nike making shoes in Indonesian sweat-shops).
5]You take a unilateral approach to trade, which is reallly bad. A multilateral (inclusive of other countries) approach, would generate 2.8 TRILLION dollars in the World Economy; 1.4 trillion of which developing countries will get, and it would also reduce the global poverty of over 320 MILLION people. Developed nations, such as the Western-European nations and America, for instance, would stand to benefit as well:
http://www.ipsnews.net/fsm2003/26.01.2003/nota6.shtml
(written by the PRESIDENT of the WTO, so it's qualified )
MadSkills said:The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Oh wait, I just got caught in the paranoia of the chicken littles.
This is what everyone said would happen in the 70's with the auto companies. Look what happened? Toyota is becoming an american company, employing 10s of 1000's of workers, and Ford and GM are buying out tons of Japanese and European auto companies that can't pay their bills b/c of all the crooked contracts and loans those countries allow.
Look, if you think outsourcing is bad, go read an economics textbook, or an economics history book, b/c history has proven you wrong. The laws of economics have not become inverted: when other countries do well, they become our trade partners, lowering the cost of our goods.
While it is true that low-skill jobs are leaving, that just means that ppl need to educate themselves. Saying that everyone DESERVES a low-skill job if they are too lazy to learn a useful skill is like ME saying I DESERVE a job making horsedrawn carriages, b/c that's the only thing I'm good at, so you all had better stop driving Japanese cards, dammit!
Go to school. You can compete with Indians. They don't even get half the calories per day you do. This is not a slight at them, but at their economy.
JSClark said:I am not going to get into this debate once again, as we all are entitled to our own opinions, but Outsourcing IS stealing our jobs. IT IS stealing America's jobs. IT IS the reason why our unemployment rate has been at its peak (which is coming down). I do see some jobs opening back up in the US, but why is it right for other countries to get jobs that we americans should do, for our people? And then, when we can't get the tech jobs that we yearn for, we're then forced to work McJobs, and even those are being taken as well. I'm not in any way condoning racism in this matter, what I am saying is, if other countries want to flourish the way us americans do, they can either a: get out of their country and come to ours, legally of course, or b: find some way of advancing their own technology. How did us humans evolve into what we now know today?
JSClark said:Outsourcing IS stealing our jobs. IT IS stealing America's jobs. IT IS the reason why our employment rate has been at its peak (which is coming down).
You claim that it's "our jobs" or "American jobs" that are stolen. You're qualifying the jobs as being uniquely American, as opposed to just jobs. These aren't just ANY run-of-the-mill jobs, Sir! These ones here, are American jobs. Why is it so important that Americans get clothed, fed, cared for, and have decent work above other nationalities / ethnicities?The tendency to evaluate other groups according to the values and standards of one's own ethnic group, especially with the conviction that one's own ethnic group is superior to the other groups.
Once again, you make claims of "American" or "our" jobs, as opposed to jobs in general. Why are you so uptight about AMERICAN jobs? Don't you care about, let's say, the Mexican sugar-cane farmers who have nearly been put out of business? In a striking protectionist policy (the ones you seem to favor) the US has pushed "High-fructose corn syrup" on its Kansas farmers (for example). That's why every time you pick up something sweet you'll see among its top ingredients "High-fructose corn syrup". Needless to say, this has sent the base of Mexico's already fragile economy into (another) tailspin. But it's okay, right? Who cares if thousands of Mexican children sink into the jaws of poverty -- YOU'VE GOT AIR CONDITIONING thanks to your shiny new AMERICAN job, and THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.Belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group.
Overriding concern with race.
4]You said it yourself. Unemployment is being solved, even though outsourcing exists!Since the first report surfaced, along with similar estimates by other consulting firms, the business environment has changed in the United States. The economy has begun to climb out of the onerous recession of the last three and a half years. Also, unemployment appears to trending down following its sharp -- indeed, near unprecedented -- increase during the same time period. In short, outsourcing is unlikely to be the hot political button it was even six months ago.
Ironically, Forrester notes that the outcry prompted in part by its statistics led to a greater awareness of the efficiencies to be gained from outsourcing. "Instead of squelching activity, the increased press and savings have spurred senior executives to ask, 'What is our offshore strategy?'" the report says.
JSClark said:our employment rate has
been at its peak (which is coming down)
1]SEE: Ethnocentrism 101JSClark said:why is it right for other countries to get jobs that we americans should do, for our people?
you haven't answered it. you drop it. you concede it.Carnival Forces said:5]You take a unilateral approach to trade, which is reallly bad. A multilateral (inclusive of other countries) approach, would generate 2.8 TRILLION dollars in the World Economy; 1.4 trillion of which developing countries will get, and it would also reduce the global poverty of over 320 MILLION people. Developed nations, such as the Western-European nations and America, for instance, would stand to benefit as well:
http://www.ipsnews.net/fsm2003/26.01.2003/nota6.shtml
(written by the PRESIDENT of the WTO, so it's qualified )
1]Oh yes, "us" Americans sure is flourishing! We even speak the English better then them thur British boys!JSClark said:if other countries want to flourish the way us americans do, they can either a: get out of their country and come to ours, legally of course, or b: find some way of advancing their own technology.
b/c that's so easy, right? WRONG.JSClark said:they can...get out of their country and come to ours, legally of course
sub-points:JSClark said:find some way of advancing their own technology
1]Obviously Americans haven't evolved that far since you still can't speak English correctly.JSClark said:How did us humans evolve into what we now know today?
now you've gone to far leave high-fructuse corn syrup out of this conversation, its delicious!"High-fructose corn syrup".
i agree with u on that. lolQwertyman said:now you've gone to far leave high-fructuse corn syrup out of this conversation, its delicious!
but i make better oneschuckm1020 said:i love these debates, both make very good points.
chuckm1020 said:i was wondering wat speed will the dvd-rw i got play dvd's at. kronchev told me i need a 16X to play dvd's good. but my old 12X played them just fine. and for the people saying i better be getting the gen 3. i am, i said that in this thread somewhere, but i know its long to read. and dell did tell me the x800xt is the one built by ati. and for people saying the 3.4EE isnt worth it, i know!!!!!!!! duh, im not an idiout. but i will be using this system for about 3-4 years. so i wanted the fastest dell i could build. and that was it. and thats why i got 2GB of memory. i know i dont need it yet, but in a few years probably. hey kronchev, im thinkin about puttin a exos on this too. jk. ill miss those debates
miss them? where are you going?chuckm1020 said:jk. ill miss those debate
chuckm1020 said:i love these debates, both make very good points. i was wondering wat speed will the dvd-rw i got play dvd's at. kronchev told me i need a 16X to play dvd's good. but my old 12X played them just fine. and for the people saying i better be getting the gen 3. i am, i said that in this thread somewhere, but i know its long to read. and dell did tell me the x800xt is the one built by ati. and for people saying the 3.4EE isnt worth it, i know!!!!!!!! duh, im not an idiout. but i will be using this system for about 3-4 years. so i wanted the fastest dell i could build. and that was it. and thats why i got 2GB of memory. i know i dont need it yet, but in a few years probably. hey kronchev, im thinkin about puttin a exos on this too. jk. ill miss those debates.
lol, sure, i say it's alive by day-after-tomorrow.towert7 said:I think its time we start taking bets to see how much longer this thread stays active.....
I say its a "dead thread" within a day. Anyone want to take me up on this? LOL
EnderW said:someone needs to lock this for sure
chuckm1020 said:I still really want to build my own computer. i would build an fx-53 939 system definetly. after im done with this dell and some schooling, ill go back to building them. alot of u guys say u cant upgrade a dell. are u just meaning motherboard, and psu. im thinkin maybe 2-3 years down the line i might want to put a different video card in there."u know they practically come out with a new line of vid cards every year" is upgrading the vid card possible, i wouldnt see why not, unless dell did something weird so it cant be done.
are they going to be dropping all the 939's, wich they just released. or just the fx series, and just keeping all of the fx's on to 940Carnival Forces said:i would guess upgrading the vid. card would be possible, i mean, they all use AGP (except maybe for PCI-Express coming out later...) so I don't see why not.
as for building a 939 system, IIRC, that's a bad choice b/c AMD plans to be dropping that core and going 940 i think