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i know new egg took off those mobos. but alienware is still selling them with there computers on there website also.
 
Yea, intel put a recall on one of their south bridge chips... i guess a current leak. They say their new ones are fine though............ so seeing as how your's hasn't been built yet, you should be fine.

As with upgrading the video card, yes... you can.

Did your dell gen 3 come with a PCI-Ex card? or an AGP 8x video card?
 
towert7 said:
Yea, intel put a recall on one of their south bridge chips... i guess a current leak. They say their new ones are fine though............ so seeing as how your's hasn't been built yet, you should be fine.

As with upgrading the video card, yes... you can.

Did your dell gen 3 come with a PCI-Ex card? or an AGP 8x video card?
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it is PCI-Ex
 
another question, i thought the new chipsets are put on the new mobos that use the new 775 socket. (wich also doesnt use any pins). do they make a new 3.4EE that now fits this new socket? or do they make a new mobo that uses this new chipset with the older socket?
 
chuckm1020 said:
another question, i thought the new chipsets are put on the new mobos that use the new 775 socket. (wich also doesnt use any pins). do they make a new 3.4EE that now fits this new socket? or do they make a new mobo that uses this new chipset with the older socket?
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i'm pretty sure it's a new chipset w/ the older socket.
 
Carnival Forces said:
..? :confused:
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He saw you guys talking about new Intel chipsets, and he assumed you meant the 915/925 chipsets.

Anyhoo, nice cogent arguments there,CarnivalForces. There were studies done here in India too, referring to the fact that outsourcing was actually creating jobs for Americans.
Weird but true :p
 
TechHead said:
He saw you guys talking about new Intel chipsets, and he assumed you meant the 915/925 chipsets.

Anyhoo, nice cogent arguments there,CarnivalForces. There were studies done here in India too, referring to the fact that outsourcing was actually creating jobs for Americans.
Weird but true :p
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I know it's true, i didn't realize you were Indian though? I am too :D

EDIT: should have looked at your locatin :rolleyes:
 
Lol. Location,location,location as they always say :p.
I have a few friends working in call centres, pretty highly qualified, engineering and commerce grads. Pay isn't too good though, and they are all looking to leave after 1-1.5 years. If you stick it out and become team leader in 4-5 years, pay rises dramatically.
 
TechHead said:
Lol. Location,location,location as they always say :p.
I have a few friends working in call centres, pretty highly qualified, engineering and commerce grads. Pay isn't too good though, and they are all looking to leave after 1-1.5 years. If you stick it out and become team leader in 4-5 years, pay rises dramatically.
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huh, interesting, at the threat of this getting locked though...


Dell is okay, you should do fine, you'll be able to buy a new mobo and replace their stuff, (except maybe for VidCard :rolleyes) so you'll essentially have a quasi-new-true-computer.
 
Dude, it's doesnt' matter what you buy, because in the 4 years it takes for you to become a grad, all of the fast machines today will be a slow POSs.
 
TechHead said:
He saw you guys talking about new Intel chipsets, and he assumed you meant the 915/925 chipsets.
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Well what the heck were they talking about? lol

I just caught the last few posts and to me it looked like they were talking about LGA 775 and the new motherboards.
 
Carnival Forces said:
As to the Poster of the Thread: While it does suck you're getting a Dell, at least the system you're getting is cooking! :p Trust me, even though Dell is making that computer, you'll be more than happy with it :D.




You know what, I bet you haven't even called Dell more than let's say, 5 times. Indeed, I doubt if you've gotten perhaps but ONCE a person on the line you couldn't understand. Additionally, it's rather ethnocentric of you to be saying "wah! I can't understand them! Damn foreigners!! wah wah wah!". Have you tried, oh, I don't know, working to understand them instead of expecting them to conform to YOUR standards of "English"? For your information, Indians go through weeks of grueling courses on how to talk like an American, there are fucking SCHOOLS for it for Christ's sake. They get trained, they learn how to pronounce consonants that are difficult for them (like "r's") like us. They take lessons on how to enunciate clearly. They even watch HOURS of American Sitcoms like "Friends" in order to understand our colloquialisms. In fact, I really doubt you know what you're talking about. There was a study done by a major broadcasting company (i think it was ABC), that found a surprising numbers of calls to "Customer Care" lines complaining about tech support people they "couldn't understand." However, shockingly :eek:, upon further investigation, the overwhelming majority of the calls were found to be unbased and lies at BEST. Really, what it all boils down to, is that you're just another ethnocentric, hyper-patriotic, outsorce-phobic, American.

In short, Sir, you are an asshole.
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outsourcing tech support to another country is the worst idea ever, period. why do you think theyre moving it back to america? because no matter how nice you are, there is always going to be a language barrier unless youre a native.
 
did you not read the last two pages at all..? :confused:

kronchev said:
outsourcing tech support to another country is the worst idea ever, period. why do you think theyre moving it back to america? because no matter how nice you are, there is always going to be a language barrier unless youre a native.
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Carnival Forces said:
as to those of you who are outsource-phobic, here's a copy of towert7 (who i must say acted remarkably maturely, unlike my "asshole" comment, i was slightly heated :p) and my conversation.


Re: you commented on one of my posts

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Originally Posted by towert7
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You know what, I bet you haven't even called Dell more than let's say, 5 times. Indeed, I doubt if you've gotten perhaps but ONCE a person on the line you couldn't understand. Additionally, it's rather ethnocentric of you to be saying "wah! I can't understand them! Damn foreigners!! wah wah wah!". Have you tried, oh, I don't know, working to understand them instead of expecting them to conform to YOUR standards of "English"? For your information, Indians go through weeks of grueling courses on how to talk like an American, there are fucking SCHOOLS for it for Christ's sake. They get trained, they learn how to pronounce consonants that are difficult for them (like "r's") like us. They take lessons on how to enunciate clearly. They even watch HOURS of American Sitcoms like "Friends" in order to understand our colloquialisms. In fact, I really doubt you know what you're talking about. There was a study done by a major broadcasting company (i think it was ABC), that found a surprising numbers of calls to "Customer Care" lines complaining about tech support people they "couldn't understand." However, shockingly , upon further investigation, the overwhelming majority of the calls were found to be unbased and lies at BEST. Really, what it all boils down to, is that you're just another ethnocentric, hyper-patriotic, outsorce-phobic, American.

In short, Sir, you are an asshole.


That's what you said, and most of it i disagree with, for you are trying to force opinion onto me, opinion that you choose, and not what i choose. most of its not true.

I have no idea if these people even go through any training.... that was not proven by your reply....

The one thing i KNOW you were right on though, is that i don't support outsourcing. it makes me sad. Everything else, like i said... is eaither wrong, or unproven.
Now, i won't go into the specifics and pick apart your message sentence by sentence.

Now as im sure YOU KNOW, i have an opinion.... and you have an opinion. To say someones opinion is WRONG (without even knowing the reasons for their opinion, or the specifics of it...) is what i call ignorance.

Trust me, you'll change in life... that's a given.... how long it will take is yet to be determined.
Lets hope its a speedy recovery.

~Your lord and master, towert7


Lord and Master?

as for the rest of your reply
I was a little hotheaded at the time, so mos of my post is probably not even coherent. As for "no proof of schools". Very well, point taken.
1]Indians are trained well: http://www.americanaccent.com/callcenter.html
2]Call-centers spend in excess of $200,000 to train workers anually:
http://www.callcenternews.com/specials/ws_000804.shtml
3]Indian call-centers are extremely efficient with an almost 90% rate of first-time call resolutions, and less than 5% abandon rate:
http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/si-as/comm...8/sqm/sqm_e.pdf
4]Indians go through rigorous training to speak like Americans:
CNN (TV Special, I don't know how to link you to that )

as for the whole "opinions" thing. Sure, of course, you're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. Just remember, the slave-holders were entitled to there opinions too...Opinions aren't always neither good nor bad. Unless, of course, you think that it was all right for the slave-holders to think the way they did...

My biggest concern about people like you, is the underlying mindset you embrace. You go on about outsourcing "stealing our jobs" and providing "horrible support." What don't you understand? People of other colors, nationalities, ethnicities can learn to speak English well, indeed, DO speak English well. Most of the call center techies probably speak English better than most Americans.

Additionally, as to outsourcing "stealing our jobs":
1]No it doesn't, a recent government inquiry released stated that it BENEFITED our economy.
2]As pe Paul Krugman (New York Times), Outsourcing was made possible only by AMERICAN companies laying the foundations, therefore, it reciprocates and HELPS American companies back.
3]No need to get mad at the Indians, it's YOUR companies who are doing it. The Indians are just trying to make an honest living like everyone else.
4]It's your government that makes it possible for Indian call-centers to be profitable; minimum wage here is higher than in India, therefore American companies will go where its cheapest (just like Nike making shoes in Indonesian sweat-shops).
5]You take a unilateral approach to trade, which is reallly bad. A multilateral (inclusive of other countries) approach, would generate 2.8 TRILLION dollars in the World Economy; 1.4 trillion of which developing countries will get, and it would also reduce the global poverty of over 320 MILLION people. Developed nations, such as the Western-European nations and America, for instance, would stand to benefit as well:
http://www.ipsnews.net/fsm2003/26.01.2003/nota6.shtml
(written by the PRESIDENT of the WTO, so it's qualified )

and by the way, so far as me challenging your opinions without "knowing the specifics", you've done the same by generalizing everything i said and saying
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Originally Posted by towert7
That's what you said, and most of it i disagree with, for you are trying to force opinion onto me, opinion that you choose, and not what i choose. most of its not true.


as for calling you an asshole, don't take it personally, it's just the mindset of ethnocentrism you embrace (either consciously or unconsciously). g'day.
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JSClark said:
I am not going to get into this debate once again, as we all are entitled to our own opinions, but Outsourcing IS stealing our jobs. IT IS stealing America's jobs. IT IS the reason why our unemployment rate has been at its peak (which is coming down). I do see some jobs opening back up in the US, but why is it right for other countries to get jobs that we americans should do, for our people? And then, when we can't get the tech jobs that we yearn for, we're then forced to work McJobs, and even those are being taken as well. I'm not in any way condoning racism in this matter, what I am saying is, if other countries want to flourish the way us americans do, they can either a: get out of their country and come to ours, legally of course, or b: find some way of advancing their own technology. How did us humans evolve into what we now know today?
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MadSkills said:
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Oh wait, I just got caught in the paranoia of the chicken littles.

This is what everyone said would happen in the 70's with the auto companies. Look what happened? Toyota is becoming an american company, employing 10s of 1000's of workers, and Ford and GM are buying out tons of Japanese and European auto companies that can't pay their bills b/c of all the crooked contracts and loans those countries allow.



Look, if you think outsourcing is bad, go read an economics textbook, or an economics history book, b/c history has proven you wrong. The laws of economics have not become inverted: when other countries do well, they become our trade partners, lowering the cost of our goods.

While it is true that low-skill jobs are leaving, that just means that ppl need to educate themselves. Saying that everyone DESERVES a low-skill job if they are too lazy to learn a useful skill is like ME saying I DESERVE a job making horsedrawn carriages, b/c that's the only thing I'm good at, so you all had better stop driving Japanese cards, dammit!

Go to school. You can compete with Indians. They don't even get half the calories per day you do. This is not a slight at them, but at their economy.
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Qwertyman said:
what u said is true. but i also have to add that their economy stinks not because of their "lack" of funds but because they have a billion people to support, way more then this country. Plus all that money some way or another does still get funneled back into the american economy one way or another. also for families i'm assuming that outsourcing is good for keeping the cost of a dell product down which is good. the biggest kick is that if these people spoke a 100% english like us here do, then no one would have known anything was wrong at all.
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Carnival Forces said:
It's ownage time.

let's start with little parts of what you said

little part number 1.




1]No it's not. Stealing would mean the jobs existed, for to steal something there has to be something to steal. Outsourcing jobs never EXISTED in the US, so they can't be stolen from it. These jobs were CREATED overseas, therefore, they weren't stolen.
2]America's jobs..hmm...i suppose those would be created by, oh, i don't know, American companies, eh? Oh hold up!! Hang on!! It's the American companies who are giving these American jobs to those damn non-Americans! Axes! Halbreds! Pitchforks and Torches! (</satire>)
3]Ethnocentrism 101: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ethnocentrism
eth·no·cen·trism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn-sntrzm)
n.
Belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group.
Overriding concern with race.

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ethno·centric (-trk) adj.
ethno·centri·cal·ly adv.
ethno·cen·trici·ty (-sn-trs-t) n.

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eth·no·cen·trism (thn-sntrzm)
n.

The tendency to evaluate other groups according to the values and standards of one's own ethnic group, especially with the

conviction that one's own ethnic group is superior to the other groups.

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ethno·centric (-trk) adj.
ethno·cen·trici·ty (-sn-trs-t) n.


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ethnocentrism

n : belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group


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sub-points:

A)
You claim that it's "our jobs" or "American jobs" that are stolen. You're qualifying the jobs as being uniquely American, as opposed to just jobs. These aren't just ANY run-of-the-mill jobs, Sir! These ones here, are American jobs. Why is it so important that Americans get clothed, fed, cared for, and have decent work above other nationalities / ethnicities?

B)
Once again, you make claims of "American" or "our" jobs, as opposed to jobs in general. Why are you so uptight about AMERICAN jobs? Don't you care about, let's say, the Mexican sugar-cane farmers who have nearly been put out of business? In a striking protectionist policy (the ones you seem to favor) the US has pushed "High-fructose corn syrup" on its Kansas farmers (for example). That's why every time you pick up something sweet you'll see among its top ingredients "High-fructose corn syrup". Needless to say, this has sent the base of Mexico's already fragile economy into (another) tailspin. But it's okay, right? Who cares if thousands of Mexican children sink into the jaws of poverty -- YOU'VE GOT AIR CONDITIONING thanks to your shiny new AMERICAN job, and THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.
3]Unemployment is being solved DESPITE massive trends UPWARD in outsourcing:
http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xht...g-Here-To-Stay&story_id=24081&category=trends

4]You said it yourself. Unemployment is being solved, even though outsourcing exists!

little part number 2.



1]SEE: Ethnocentrism 101
once again you claim that Americans are somehow intrinsically better than other races, i mean, COME ON. Why the hell should some damn INDIANS get jobs to feed their starving country when there's an American without CABLE T.V!?!!?
2]EXTEND my #5:
you haven't answered it. you drop it. you concede it.

little part number 3.



1]Oh yes, "us" Americans sure is flourishing! We even speak the English better then them thur British boys!
2]
b/c that's so easy, right? WRONG.
To become a US citizen you must first immigrate and then become naturalized. To ONLY PROCESS the immigration application can take over TEN YEARS: http://www.vidaamericana.com/english/visa.html
3]Now for naturalization. Just getting the APPLICATION processed can take LONGER than 2 YEARS. Then you (if you make it, that is) have to wait in this country for FIVE years before you're naturalized.
4]So that's a total of 17 years. Now, you can only begin when you're 18 years old. So you would be thirty-five years old, and only THEN be a citizen.
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/faq.htm#q13
5]
sub-points:
A)Ethnocentrism SEE: Ethnocentrism 101
B)Have you ever used Java, buddy boy? Or Linux? Or IRC? Or mIRC?... or ..Google? All of these were made by FOREIGNERS (google was made by a Russian who (I think) is a naturalzied American citizen as well, and also an American). That's right. Guess what, they're integral parts of "our(US)" technology.
C)THE BIG ONE: Howaobut the Internet? That couldn't function if it was just the US. It would be instantly devalued. Also, many many advancements to "our(US)" technology have come from foreigners..the Internet wasn't advanced all by the US...
5]To make a claim that they need to
JSClark said:
"advanc[e] their own technology
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is blatantly unilateral; cross-apply my number 5 by the president of the WTO.

little part number 4.



1]Obviously Americans haven't evolved that far since you still can't speak English correctly.
2]Believe it or not, it wasn't the Americans who pioneered the way for humane evolution; long before your country was
FOUNDED, India was a giant. As was China. And Britain. And a myriad of others.
3]America's only ~200 years old. While it has undeniably had major impacts on the world, not all of them have been good.

Why don't we look at:
sub-poitns:
A)Ethnocentrism SEE: Ethnocentrism 101
B)Ignored Rwanda and paved the way for future genocides in 1994
C)Backed out of the League of Nations it founded, thereby undermining the peace process and multilateral approach, leading to World War II.
D)Has tacitly allowed for genocide to become acceptable by non-action in Somalia and Sudan.
E)Legitimized the use of Nuclear weapons as an acceptable means of warfare (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) thus leading to a world-wide embracement of nuclearism, and therefore, the North Korean Nuclear Crisis (and soon to see the sequal: "Irked Iranis!")
there are many many more, but those are ones just off the top of my head.


my own little part: Why ethnocentrism is bad.


1]Slave-holders were ethnocentric to the degree of dehumanizing the blacks. This dehumanization allowed for slavery to take place. Therefore, an act of support to ethnocentrism is another action closer towards slavery.
2]The Nazis were ethnocentric. They believed in the superiority of the Aryan (they even got that wrong :rolleyes:) race above (particularly, but not only) the Jewish race. Look what happened, heard of the Holocaust?
3]Ethnocentrism is the driving force behind such genocidal conflicts as Rwanda (1994) in which 800,000 people died in only 100 days at a rate that was roughly five times faster than the Nazi death-machine.
4]Ethnocentrism has proven a substantial block to multi-national nations such as the United Nations, thereby blocking efforts to stop genocidal conflicts, civil strife, and human-rights violations (once again, empircal example=Rwanda).
5]Ethnocentrism is just, plain, morally indefensible. It's as bad as bad gets, to the core. Without a doubt, it is one of the scourges facing our entire race today. Unfortunately, people like you (either consciously or unconsciously) adopt this mindset, which allows for it to continue to propogate, like a festering wound in the body of our humankind.
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towert7 said:
I think its time we start taking bets to see how much longer this thread stays active.....

I say its a "dead thread" within a day. Anyone want to take me up on this? LOL
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I WIN! it's the day-after-tomorrow (from the reference of your post) :D
 
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Is it just me.... or is there just something about quoting a 2644 word post just for Refrence.... that makes you want to cry ~_~

Took me about 3 min's just to scroll past the darn thing ^_^.
 
******NEWS FLASH*****

Jobs can't be stolen. You can't "steal" jobs, they aren't "owned" by you. Jobs are owned by employers, and they can give them to whom they wish. It doesn't make it "stealing" from you.

Besides, poor ppl are poor ppl are poor ppl, it doesn't matter where it comes from. The beauty of globalization is that the world's poorest workers are able to get jobs doing the things that we can't stand doing anymore.
 
Back to Dell:

The one good thing about pre-built systems by someone like Dell is that they are almost guaranteed not to have issues out of the box. Now, if you are a hardcore user who likes to tweak his hardware and OS and overclock, that's a different matter.

They also inhibit your flexibility and charge you too much, and their choice of parts is not always the best. They are also not as expandable and upgradeable, as the power supplies are weaker, the cases are not designed for it, they are usually hard to open and work on, and they really don't want you to try to upgrade it anyway.

If you are concerned about having a machine that lasts you about 4 yrs, the best idea is to buy your own comp, that way you'll have maximum flexibility, the best hardware parts, and save some money for upgrades later.

Now, Dell LCD's are second to none except the low latency LCD's from Samsung and LG, I think.
 
MadSkills said:
Back to Dell:

The one good thing about pre-built systems by someone like Dell is that they are almost guaranteed not to have issues out of the box. Now, if you are a hardcore user who likes to tweak his hardware and OS and overclock, that's a different matter.

They also inhibit your flexibility and charge you too much, and their choice of parts is not always the best. They are also not as expandable and upgradeable, as the power supplies are weaker, the cases are not designed for it, they are usually hard to open and work on, and they really don't want you to try to upgrade it anyway.

If you are concerned about having a machine that lasts you about 4 yrs, the best idea is to buy your own comp, that way you'll have maximum flexibility, the best hardware parts, and save some money for upgrades later.

Now, Dell LCD's are second to none except the low latency LCD's from Samsung and LG, I think.
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yea, he just sumed up 5 pages of info... right in a few words.

Would you believe, that some companies (this is just what a friend told me... might be total BS), will void the warranty if you open the case up? My friend said that's the way with his E-machines....

As with cases being horrible, i can vouch for that. Ive worked on HP, Compaq, and Sony Vaio (i really hate HP cases... especially the small ones).

Would you belive, just to remove the CD-ROM drive out of a fairly new HP (very small case), i had to remove the WHOLE motherboard plate...... The darn thing did'nt have holes to fit a screwdriver threw, and there were 2 screws holding the drive in......... so the WHOLE motherboard and metal plate had to be removed just to replace the CD-rom drive................................. OMG.

Im afraid to see what they plan on doing in the future :mad:

As with my 4 year old dell XPS case........... its just a normal mid-tower case... nothing wrong with it at all (i must have got lucky). Opens up very easily. Front View
 
all the new mobos that are out right now with the new 915/925 chipset dont use the old socket. so how are they going to fit a 3.4EE in there because thats the old socket. i know theres gota be some way. u can buy a 3.4EE on alienwares website with the new chipsets also.
 
towert7 said:
Blagh!

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Is it just me.... or is there just something about quoting a 2644 word post just for Refrence.... that makes you want to cry ~_~

Took me about 3 min's just to scroll past the darn thing ^_^.
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lol, well, i had a bunch to say.. :D
 
....while more or less interesting, this thread is so far off the original topic it must finally be put it out of its misery.... :rolleyes:

Thanks - B.B.S.
 
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