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GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FAILS After Gaming for 2 Hours @ [H]

That has to be the cutest damn artifacting I've ever seen. It almost looks like little nVidia drone rolling around laughing ;).

Why is it every damn time some son-of-a-b says 'we will need to redefine performance' the darn thing just blows up, at least my gut still works.

That confirms it, I'm not grabbing one of these before Christmas and a few friends of mine waiting for pre-orders are cancelling until this is all sorted out. Time to beat the bushes and get Kyle some patreon dollars for the RMA hassles that will have been saved.
 
PhoenixWings said:
That's so true brother. I guess Digital Jesus is trying his best to get all the attention he can. I'm much older than DJ, and for the life of me my eyes hurt when he puts up those graphs. Nevermind that I don't have the patience to watch his videos, he is slow and takes forever to get to the point. Why not keep things simple? Anyway, he seems like a hard worker. I wonder who invested in him, because clearly he doesn't make enough from YouTube to hire staff and lease office space.
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I'm not sure Steve is trying to "just get attention”.
Digital media whether it's YouTube or a webpage is about capitalizing on topics of popular interest.
He could just post videos counting the number of unsubstantiated reports of failure. That's easy enough.
What's more telling is a stack of failed cards.
There's been a problem with gauging failure rates of products based on complaints in forums for a very long time.
"Are those people complaining in this forum the same people on some other forum?"
Should they be counted twice?
"Are these people credible or just trolling for likes?"
"What percentage of total purchasers does this number represent?"
All these questions make consumer facing research difficult if not impossible.

Isn't it reasonable to suggest the people whose cards are working are too busy using them to chime in on discussions of failure?

Even if they do comment would it even be appreciated? Likely not, it always comes across smarmy and like a brag.

If you look up a few posts you can see this very problem. A consumer lost confidence in a part that had yet to fail and some of us gave them shit for it.

From what I can tell Steve saw something in the news and forums that somewhat aligned with his audience.
So he is investigating in one of the only ways he can do so. By demonstration different modes of failure on a pile of cards he and any of his viewers can point to it and say "there seems to be a pattern."
So far that pattern seems to be reference PCB.

It's an investigation that I appreciate and trust far more that forum users and their "me too"s.

However, Kyle is in the same (similar) business as Gamer's Nexus, why would he go out of his way to provide them with content?
When he can write articles on his own site as a consumer (which he is) and get a usable card much sooner in the process?

Quite frankly we don't have to disparage any other media outlet to appreciate the [H].
 
Inacurate said:
So Intel, and now Nvidia, rushed SKUs to market and both are taking a bit of flak for various reasons.
Huh, wonder why they rushed.
Competition is great! ..even if competition isn't exactly beating down the door, but getting close enough to make them take rash action.
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This is the worst example of competition. Market leaders holding on to their position at the expense of their consumers.
Just like most corporations today. They aren't in business to make money doing their job. They are in business to put on an investor friendly face and put more effort into PR than R&D.

In the past competition stirred innovation whether it's delivering a better product or a better price.
I miss those days.
 
trick_m0nkey said:
Looks like you signed a Non Display Agreement.
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Mchart said:
There is zero competition to the 2080ti. Nvidia released it because they knew people wanted a 4K decent FPS card after all these years and they could charge the premium for it.
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so release it broken?

not seeing what you mean here.
 
I have a FE 2080 TI and a Zotac amp 2080 TI. I put them both on waterblocks a couple of weeks ago. At first I thought I had one card fail, but it turns out it was just the EVGA power link adapter that wasn't tightened correctly. After that, I have probably gamed about 50 hours or so without issue. I did notice that the thermal pads and such on the FE looks very badly applied and not really making full contact with everything. I am wondering if that goo they used for some of the chips instead of thermal pads being the issue, causing parts overheat. I am not sure why that is used instead of thermal pads. Was it for warranty if the stock heatsink was removed?
 
PhoenixWings said:
I wonder who invested in him, because clearly he doesn't make enough from YouTube to hire staff and lease office space.
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A quick look at GamersNexus' Patreon donations (1537 patrons & $5865/month) shows that he has a decent amount of money every month; still isn't enough to cover his business expenses, imo. So you have a good point. ;)
 
tungt88 said:
A quick look at GamersNexus' Patreon donations (1537 patrons & $5865/month) shows that he has a decent amount of money every month; still isn't enough to cover his business expenses, imo. So you have a good point. ;)
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That doesn't include whatever meager YouTube income, plus there's merchandise. If his comments about merchandise sales in his videos are any indication they are doing very well for him.
Patreon is a transparent indicator of income but there are other ways.
 
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so release it broken?

not seeing what you mean here.
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You’re misinterpreting what I said.

The point was that there is no competition to Nvidia at this level. No where did I say release it broken.
 
Orddie said:
Every time I read about the cards dying it’s after an overclock.

I have no plans to OC my card and I hope my “luck” of no issues continues
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Mine failed without any type of overclock having being applied to it. There was no point as it was unstable from the beginning.
 
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*Tinfoil Hat On*

Should have signed that NDA, Nvidia sent hackers after your RTX and blew it up!
 
Man my 1080ti seems better and better everyday.... seriously though given the insane cost of these cards Nvidia needs to sort this shit out ASAP.
 
Brian_B said:
It’s only people who didn’t sign an NDA. Signers haven’t had any issues at all with their cards.
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Some of the people who are making the most noise about this signed the NDA so I am not sure I follow.

mbelue said:
I'm not sure Steve is trying to "just get attention”.
Digital media whether it's YouTube or a webpage is about capitalizing on topics of popular interest.
He could just post videos counting the number of unsubstantiated reports of failure. That's easy enough.
What's more telling is a stack of failed cards.
There's been a problem with gauging failure rates of products based on complaints in forums for a very long time.
"Are those people complaining in this forum the same people on some other forum?"
Should they be counted twice?
"Are these people credible or just trolling for likes?"
"What percentage of total purchasers does this number represent?"
All these questions make consumer facing research difficult if not impossible.

Isn't it reasonable to suggest the people whose cards are working are too busy using them to chime in on discussions of failure?

Even if they do comment would it even be appreciated? Likely not, it always comes across smarmy and like a brag.

If you look up a few posts you can see this very problem. A consumer lost confidence in a part that had yet to fail and some of us gave them shit for it.

From what I can tell Steve saw something in the news and forums that somewhat aligned with his audience.
So he is investigating in one of the only ways he can do so. By demonstration different modes of failure on a pile of cards he and any of his viewers can point to it and say "there seems to be a pattern."
So far that pattern seems to be reference PCB.

It's an investigation that I appreciate and trust far more that forum users and their "me too"s.

However, Kyle is in the same (similar) business as Gamer's Nexus, why would he go out of his way to provide them with content?
When he can write articles on his own site as a consumer (which he is) and get a usable card much sooner in the process?

Quite frankly we don't have to disparage any other media outlet to appreciate the [H].
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I don't really understand why a significant portion of the people on these forums circle jerk around hating the computer youtubers. As you can tell from my joined date (and I was lurking a while before that), I certainly appreciate [H]ard but I also appreciate the dissemination of information around enthusiast computer components. The computer youtubers are providing a form of journalism and entertainment and hopefully getting new groups of people interested in this hobby.

Some are more accurate than others of course - you shouldn't reference Linus for anything serious but it can be good for a laugh. You have the exact same disparity in quality among written journalism that has always been present as well.

I can certainly understand why Kyle would send his card through his own channels for an analysis of the failures, but I also think some of those youtubers are trying to bring light to the situation as well. Youtube also gives them an opportunity to reach a wider audience.

As an owner of a 2080 Ti, I know I am certainly watching this particular situation closely on all forms of media.
 
Had a 2080 Ti pre-ordered and then changed my mind a couple days before the cards shipped.

Glad I had a change of heart - I wouldn't want to be going through these headaches.
 
This is unbelievable. Sorry about your shit luck Kyle. I emailed this story to bluesnews so the folks over there could see the bad news.

I bet next time you'll sign the nda.;)
 
Imhotep said:
I too think they should have gone with HBM2 . The die is so large with all the GDDR6 around adding too already hot GPU is a recipe for disaster. The fact that the power supply junk sits so close to the gpu/mem on reference cards adds even more heat.
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Hbm 2 also gives you the heat issue but in a different way with it being focused more intensely around the core. I had a liquid cooled vega64 for a while and the fan on that thing was pretty loud to keep temps in check, thats with it in a push\pull config as well. Hard to say if this cooler design they went with would have been enough for a card with a large die and hbm to keep tamed.

I honestly think they just fuecked up their cooler design and basically didn't let any airflow reach the pcb because of the vapour chamber. Usually with third party cards the vapour chamber is teamed with a large fin stack of aluminium and there's usually plenty of room to let air through. On this its a vapour chamber, a tiny fin stack and not much in the way of venting for the air to get where it needs to go, and escape the shroud of the card.
 
I think a new poll is in order. Failure cards (FE vs AIB) Failure Card (Samsung vs Micron).

I'm going to install both cards in my system and verify memory used in them. So far I've had 2 weeks on 1 card and about 15hrs + of gaming, the 2nd card is pushing now a few days and about 8-9 hours of gaming while overclocked.
 
First, is anyone seeing this happening on 2080 (non-Ti) cards in big numbers?

And also, I think Nvidia really did try to build it for overclocking. I feel for them in this respect: The power delivery really is quite the heavy duty overkill. Whether or not they officially let us pass 130% power targets right now or not the PCBs are really, really good.

This is probably going to be either a GDDR6 failure or some type of GPU core early mortaility they just didn't see coming before mass production.

Based on the type of garbage on the screens I'm kind of still leaning toward GDDR6 issues. My Gigabyte card has pretty poor memory overclocking compared to many people. I keep hearing how many people get +1200 max out on the slider but I know exactly where my artifact limit is. It's +845. And I've seen quite a few other people top out in the +800 range. Such a massive difference in RAM capability makes me wonder how much variation or change to the process is happening on the RAM front.

I think... if was purely GPU Nvidia would have an easier time identifying it. And they would have halted sales or initiated a full recall by now to stop the pain from increasing.

Any time you see those dot pattern or color grids on the screen the first thing you should think is something to do with the memory. I'd be expecting to see a lot more just straight up black screens and game crash messages and blue screens and dead no video issues if it was always the GPU going.
 
Motley said:
Holy crap, this is getting crazy, when it fails on Kyle? There is no way this is a minor issue. Nvidia has MAJOR problems right now.

The RTX technology is just STUPID. The demos that used it, well you can't even barely tell the difference with RTX on. It uses too many resources, and lower FPS. Its too expensive. And they have failure to design a reliable card.

If AMD could get their shti together and come out with some powerful GPUs, then Nvidia would go out of business because people are tired of this shit.
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Not to mention that it’s very possible that the current RTX line will not be optimal for performance with this technology. This wouldn’t be the first time Nvidia’s touted a cool technical feature that no one uses because of the titanic amount of system resources it requires (see: Gameworks).

We won’t know until actual benchmarks are released in actual gaming situations, but if I were a betting man, I would say that maybe the RTX 2080 Ti is almost adequate, but below that, don’t bother, and you can’t SLI the 2070 in the event you buy one and realize you would need extra horsepower to use the feature.
 
im glad i was able to pick up an evga 1080ti black for 649 last month at microcenter. i cant find a new 1080ti now for under 800 bucks. if i was kyle i would take that 2nd working 2080ti and repeat what he did to the first one to see if it fails also. maybe it is the brief oc that eventually kills it. would be good info to know.
 
rhexis said:
im glad i was able to pick up an evga 1080ti black for 649 last month at microcenter. i cant find a new 1080ti now for under 800 bucks. if i was kyle i would take that 2nd working 2080ti and repeat what he did to the first one to see if it fails also. maybe it is the brief oc that eventually kills it. would be good info to know.
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It would be a dot on the landscape if the OC hastens its demise because many have failed immediately or after a while of use with no OC.
The problem doesnt look to be OC related.
 
Quite a bit of bullshit and crystal-ball gazing going on in this thread...

It's too early to know anything, other than "some people's cards died.." If we can get actual failure rates from a manufacturer, then we will have something to talk about.

"Kyle got a bad card omfg!" LOL.. as much hardware as Kyle see's, statistically he was probably overdue for getting a defective item.

It sucks of course. I was hoping [H] would have some nvlink performance benchies at some point.
 
kamikazi said:
AMD needs to capitalize and post a Poor Turing video. Need to think of a word that ends with -turing to cut off with graffiti or something. It worked out so well last time...
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Turing that dies... hrm TurDing? Because they are crapping out.
 
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Glad I passed on the initial batch of cards. Guess I'll hang on to my 1080 Ti a while longer until this mess is sorted out!
 
Heres nvidia's idea of a vapor chamber system:

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Small dinky fin stacks that are tightly clustered together.

Now, here's sapphires off the 290 vapor x.

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Larger fins, space between them for airflow, heatpipes as well as a vapor chamber. Nvidia's implementation just looks anemic and half assed in comparison.
 
Can't really compare the HBM solution to the GDDR solution- they are different heat densities. As to fin spacing, within a reasonable range it's just a tradeoff. The tighter spacing with more fins has more surface area and thus needs less fan speed to remove the same amount of heat, but it will also likely be noisier at the same fan speeds. Tune one way or the other- I'd bet that the tighter spacing with more fins is a more expensive process, but at the same TDP and with the same fans would result in lower noise.
 
I agree it's easy to echo chamber on this. A half dozen noisy people on a few forums seem like an army of failures but if you've been around the tech forums long enough you get a sense of real vs. imagined issues. I think it's safe to say we at least have failure rates that are above the expected one or two percent for hardware.
 
cybereality said:
I was getting crash to desktop in several games and it ended up being a problem with the OC on my RAM.

Running 4133 speed, which was never an issue with my GTX 1080, but seemed to cause problems with the RTX 2080 Ti.

After bumping the RAM voltage to 1.375 (from 1.35) the problems went away. Maybe try tweaking the OC and see if it helps.
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It's entirely possible the problem is a RAM voltage issue that could be fixed by firmware/drivers. I'd recommend against RMA'ing cards at this point unless they're totally unusable... though it's conceivable just due to varying tolerances in the DDR parts you could end up with a card immune to the problem.
 
On the nvidia forums it sounds like the FE cards aren't being direct replaced by RMA anymore and are being 'repaired' instead which tells me they are receiving way more cards then 'normal'. As to what the 'repair' is we have no idea at this time. I believe nvidia 100% knows what the issue is at this point but are keeping things hush hoping the problem eventually fades away given enough RMA's.
 
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It's entirely possible the problem is a RAM voltage issue that could be fixed by firmware/drivers. I'd recommend against RMA'ing cards at this point unless they're totally unusable... though it's conceivable just due to varying tolerances in the DDR parts you could end up with a card immune to the problem.
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To clarify, the issue was on my DDR4 memory, not VRAM. System seems stable now.
 
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