Game Cafe Robbed, Gamers Fight Back

vengence said:
Right, when people go around robbing other people the solution is to do nothing to discourage people from robbing people in the future.

If people assume there is no penalty for robbing a 7/11 then every will just start robbing 7/11s. If on the other hand, 9 out of 10 people who try to rob a 7/11 get a shotgun to the face, 7/11 robberies would go way down.

Why do you think no one tries to rob fort Knoxx? There's a hell of a lot more pay out there than there is a 7/11.
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This kind of reminds me of a Star Trek next gen episode where a bunch of the crew were on this planet on vacation at this "garden of eden". Westley dives over the perimeter to catch a football and in doing so "breaks the law" landing in a bed of flowers.

Any law broken on this planet was punishable by death. I remember thinking this was a pretty good idea. Sure it was a little extreme, i guess BUT people would really think twice about doing anything out of line.
 
If you actually pay attention to the interview they show Starcraft 2 playing on one of the pc's.

Wondering if the kid thought the one taking his DS was a protoss warrior. He used a stimpak and went for it.
 
Mayenard said:
This kind of reminds me of a Star Trek next gen episode where a bunch of the crew were on this planet on vacation at this "garden of eden". Westley dives over the perimeter to catch a football and in doing so "breaks the law" landing in a bed of flowers.

Any law broken on this planet was punishable by death. I remember thinking this was a pretty good idea. Sure it was a little extreme, i guess BUT people would really think twice about doing anything out of line.
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I think you may have missed the writer of the episodes point :D
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Seriously? They were just getting jumped for money, happens all the time. Murder isn't the solution :rolleyes:
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I think you are looking at this all wrong. The criminal needs to understand that his little shortcut for making money (as opposed to steady employment) isn't worth dying for. He/She shouldn't be attacking people or going up to them and through some form of intimidation (with or without a weapon) forcing them to give him money, credit cards, or personal possessions. The bad guys need to understand that their actions have consequences and failure to realize that is not my problem. Once an individual commits to preying on others he or she becomes a piece of shit. And make no mistake about it, these are probably not a good people, They are not worthy of your pity, They are criminals. From the very moment he/she began following through with any plan to prey on others they have rendered his or herself a piece of shit. He/She is no more deserving of my mercy than any sub-human slime that preys on the weaknesses of others.

Forcing a law abiding citizen into defending themselves and their property is what will get them killed. It isn't murder. You may not feel like protecting what is yours and what you have earned is worth killing for but I can't agree. I feel like what I've got is mine and damn it I'll protect it. If that results in some dead street thug, drug addict, pedophile, rapist, murder, thief etc. then so be it. They should have made better choices in life.
 
Situations like this are why I always carry my Gerber on me at all times. When I return from my deployment, I'm getting a gun and a concealed carry permit.
 
Totally agree. You let them go with this, they go out and do something else. Stupidity runs rampant.
 
vengence said:
Right, when people go around robbing other people the solution is to do nothing to discourage people from robbing people in the future.

If people assume there is no penalty for robbing a 7/11 then every will just start robbing 7/11s. If on the other hand, 9 out of 10 people who try to rob a 7/11 get a shotgun to the face, 7/11 robberies would go way down.

Why do you think no one tries to rob fort Knoxx? There's a hell of a lot more pay out there than there is a 7/11.
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Where did I say to do nothing? Whatever happened to beating someones ass? I've been jumped before (have any of you ethugs been jumped?) and I made sure they all got theirs, without pulling a gun on them.
 
Dan_D said:
I think you are looking at this all wrong. The criminal needs to understand that his little shortcut for making money (as opposed to steady employment) isn't worth dying for. He/She shouldn't be attacking people or going up to them and through some form of intimidation (with or without a weapon) forcing them to give him money, credit cards, or personal possessions. The bad guys need to understand that their actions have consequences and failure to realize that is not my problem. Once an individual commits to preying on others he or she becomes a piece of shit. And make no mistake about it, these are probably not a good people, They are not worthy of your pity, They are criminals. From the very moment he/she began following through with any plan to prey on others they have rendered his or herself a piece of shit. He/She is no more deserving of my mercy than any sub-human slime that preys on the weaknesses of others.

Forcing a law abiding citizen into defending themselves and their property is what will get them killed. It isn't murder. You may not feel like protecting what is yours and what you have earned is worth killing for but I can't agree. I feel like what I've got is mine and damn it I'll protect it. If that results in some dead street thug, drug addict, pedophile, rapist, murder, thief etc. then so be it. They should have made better choices in life.
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hahahaha you're so naive it isn't even funny.

what about if someone is robbing money to feed themselves or their family? What if someone is robbing to pay their rent because they got laid off due to the economy?

I agree, theft is wrong, but your self righteous attitude is way off. I know plenty of people that used to be thugs and did alot of wrong things, now many of them are productive citizens and they regret what they've done in the past.
 
coldHelix said:
Oh I WISH this would have happened in Texas. My brother has his concealed hand gun license; takes it everywhere. Yes, even to the lan hangout.
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Great, because what I want even more than being robbed is being robbed AND being shot by some wannabe gunslinger.
 
vengence said:
Why do you think no one tries to rob fort Knoxx? There's a hell of a lot more pay out there than there is a 7/11.
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Also had to highlight this brilliant quote. I'm sure there is no other reasons that Fort Knoxx isn't held up by street thugs than simple violence.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
hahahaha you're so naive it isn't even funny.

what about if someone is robbing money to feed themselves or their family? What if someone is robbing to pay their rent because they got laid off due to the economy?

I agree, theft is wrong, but your self righteous attitude is way off. I know plenty of people that used to be thugs and did alot of wrong things, now many of them are productive citizens and they regret what they've done in the past.
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Then sell drugs.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Where did I say to do nothing? Whatever happened to beating someones ass? I've been jumped before (have any of you ethugs been jumped?) and I made sure they all got theirs, without pulling a gun on them.
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sabrewolf732 said:
hahahaha you're so naive it isn't even funny.

what about if someone is robbing money to feed themselves or their family? What if someone is robbing to pay their rent because they got laid off due to the economy?

I agree, theft is wrong, but your self righteous attitude is way off. I know plenty of people that used to be thugs and did alot of wrong things, now many of them are productive citizens and they regret what they've done in the past.
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Were you jumped, or were you doing the jumping?

Yeah, there are a multitude of reasons behind thugs, to say it's justified? Never. It's not theirs, no matter what the reason behind it. I'm sure Hitler was just, in the millions of bankrupt, laid off, starving Germans; it really justifies things, doesn't it? It may not seem the same to you, but it is the same to me.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
hahahaha you're so naive it isn't even funny.

what about if someone is robbing money to feed themselves or their family? What if someone is robbing to pay their rent because they got laid off due to the economy?

I agree, theft is wrong, but your self righteous attitude is way off. I know plenty of people that used to be thugs and did alot of wrong things, now many of them are productive citizens and they regret what they've done in the past.
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Bullshit, I could maybe understand your argument, if they were trying to sneak a snickers under their arm at a grocery store and got beat. However, beating someone down or threatening to, for food (especially when food is so cheap and easy to get) is not even close to ethical. You bring a physical threat, you better expect some, period. Game on.

Stealing does not equal robbery.

ps. Potential redemption has nothing to do with self defense against fear and pain, you can't predict an individuals future behavior.
 
I think once they grabbed the guy's DS, one of the shamans in the cafe popped Bloodlust on the guy with the DS, who was a fury warrior with Titan's Grip, cause then he procced Frenzy and popped Recklessness and went for it.

sounds about right, warriors are too easy to down :/
 
bh192012 said:
Bullshit, I could maybe understand your argument, if they were trying to sneak a snickers under their arm at a grocery store and got beat. However, beating someone down or threatening to, for food (especially when food is so cheap and easy to get) is not even close to ethical. You bring a physical threat, you better expect some, period. Game on.

Stealing does not equal robbery.
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Yeah, these guys didn't run in and raid the snack rack. They walked in and started punching people and demanding money. That's not someone I can feel sorry for, no matter what their situation is.
 
This is so great, Devon is a associate of mine here in Hawaii. Frequent the same forums and have some of the same customers.

These kids were just stupid punks. In Hawaii there are more dumbass punks than there are hard criminals.

The best part is EVERYONE here now knows their names, facebook and where they live.

Here is the thread from our hawaii vbb.

http://www.forumshawaii.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=635201
 
jeremyshaw said:
Were you jumped, or were you doing the jumping?

Yeah, there are a multitude of reasons behind thugs, to say it's justified? Never. It's not theirs, no matter what the reason behind it. I'm sure Hitler was just, in the millions of bankrupt, laid off, starving Germans; it really justifies things, doesn't it? It may not seem the same to you, but it is the same to me.
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Me and a friend got jumped by around 9 kids, don't really recall the exact number, but it was 5-6 initially and more jumped in.

And you're comparing stealing $75 from some nerds to hitler? okay bud.
 
bh192012 said:
Bullshit, I could maybe understand your argument, if they were trying to sneak a snickers under their arm at a grocery store and got beat. However, beating someone down or threatening to, for food (especially when food is so cheap and easy to get) is not even close to ethical. You bring a physical threat, you better expect some, period. Game on.

Stealing does not equal robbery.

ps. Potential redemption has nothing to do with self defense against fear and pain, you can't predict an individuals future behavior.
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Oh, I agree. If someone kills someone because they fear for their life, fine. Self defense is self defense, but then you have people saying this dumb kids (kids are dumb, it's inherent with their nature) deserve to die? that's a joke.
 
Spewn said:
Yeah, these guys didn't run in and raid the snack rack. They walked in and started punching people and demanding money. That's not someone I can feel sorry for, no matter what their situation is.
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I definitely don't feel sorry for them, and they should definitely get their asses whooped, do they deserve to die? :rolleyes:
 
Lebowski said:
It isn't the solution. It's the outcome. The solution is to not rob people.
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it wasn't the outcome in this case, I'm just saying people that are saying the stupid kids deserve to die need to get over themselves.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
hahahaha you're so naive it isn't even funny.
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That's not how I see it. I think people tend to complicate issues that really are very simple.

sabrewolf732 said:
what about if someone is robbing money to feed themselves or their family? What if someone is robbing to pay their rent because they got laid off due to the economy?
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Nonsense. There are a ton of social programs designed to help feed people and give government assistance that those of us who aren't a drain on society pay for. There are shelters in every major city in the country. There is plenty of help if they truly want it. They should avail themselves of that help. If they got laid off and can't find a job in the industry for which they are qualified, they need to expand their horizons to working at Jack in the Box, or anywhere. A little money coming in beats no money. Many times people stay unemployed because they refuse to "lower themselves" to certain jobs. Sometimes you have to downgrade your life style or ask friends for help. You may have to do things you don't like to get back on track or whether the storm but you can't convince me that anyone in the United States has to resort to theft, muggings and armed robbery to survive.

Hell begging on the street corner is something I would consider a viable alternative to theft. I've been homeless twice and I spent quite a bit of time unemployed as a young adult. I've lived in storage facilities and a tool shed. I've never once resulted to petty theft, jumping people for cash or any other illegal methods of obtaining money. So you are going to have to try a lot harder to sell me on that BS.

sabrewolf732 said:
I agree, theft is wrong, but your self righteous attitude is way off. I know plenty of people that used to be thugs and did alot of wrong things, now many of them are productive citizens and they regret what they've done in the past.
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And those thugs were lucky enough to avoid getting killed until they figured out that their choices were self-destructive. Its great that they are contributing members of society now but that doesn't change what they did. It doesn't change who they were/are at the moment they committed past criminal activities. It doesn't absolve them of their past crimes or activities. Do I believe a criminal can learn their lesson? Can they do their time and cease being a piece of shit? I'd have to answer yes. I've seen it. I believe that's possible. However until that happens I have no sympathy for them or the excess of understanding you have for such people. I can not say to myself "I won't shoot this guy whos car jacking me because one day he might be a stand up guy." If and when someone tries to do me harm I'm just going to assume that they are shitty people and ponder what might have been or what could be at a later time. Until they have changed. Until that change is "past tense" they are shit bags. Nothing more.

Again I say that if someone chooses to prey on others for any reason then they accept the consequences of those actions by default. If they didn't realize that robbery could get them killed until it was too late then lets give them a Darwin award and move on.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
it wasn't the outcome in this case, I'm just saying people that are saying the stupid kids deserve to die need to get over themselves.
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We aren't talking about kids who took an extra cookie from the cookie jar without asking their parents. We are talking about thieves who try to take from others with the threat of violence. I do not understand how you can have so much sympathy for people like that. And I'm not saying that they deserve death. That is however a very real consequence of their actions. If they do not realize this then it is their own fault.
 
Dan_D said:
You are too soft on them. The gamers who were of legal age to do so should have been able to pull out their guns and shoot the robbers until they were dead.

Dead criminals > One handed gimpy criminals with handicapped parking permits and goverment disability checks
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I disagree. Unless we assume these are the only punks doing this, seeing a guy walking around with one hand (or some very specific fingers missing) is a pretty good visual for anyone contemplating the same thing.

Everyone thinks they can get their piece out and shots fired before the next guy. It gets you killed.

It all sounds a little too Shari'ah Law to me, though.
 
Dan_D said:
We aren't talking about kids who took an extra cookie from the cookie jar without asking their parents. We are talking about thieves who try to take from others with the threat of violence. I do not understand how you can have so much sympathy for people like that. And I'm not saying that they deserve death. That is however a very real consequence of their actions. If they do not realize this then it is their own fault.
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I don't have any sympathy, I guess I misunderstood what you were saying.
 
Simple fact is that if you act like you have a gun, you will be treated like you have a gun. I carry, and it's use will never be threatened, it will simply be used. I won't give anyone the chance to prove whether or not they are in fact carrying a functional firearm if they threaten to use one, especially in the presence of family and friends.
 
It's good to see people fighting back. The only way to stop crime is to nip it in the bud. Give the crooks a bloody nose and they'll think twice. Society has gone far too soft in dealing with crooks. You don't fix criminal behavior by coddling. If you get stung by hornets you don't go playing with hornet nests. Same thing with bad behavior. You find out that crime doesn't pay, you rethink your life. People need to stop treating thieves and bullies like poor misguided children and get tough with them instead. The solution is simple. Getting the spineless legal system and legislature to do it is another matter, especially with that Abominable Clueless Lawyers Union messing it all up at every turn.
 
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