FX-57 Why Not Faster?

yeah, san diego will definitly run a lot cooler than the clawhammer at a given voltage and mhz, plus, you probably won't need quite as much voltage, bring down temps a bit more
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
yeah, san diego will definitly run a lot cooler than the clawhammer at a given voltage and mhz, plus, you probably won't need quite as much voltage, bring down temps a bit more
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Thats what I want to hear... :D Since, it took 1.78V to 1.8V to run ok @>3.39Ghz (for this claw)..
 
bob said:
1. It doesnt make my room hot
2. the 3000+ is 154$ at newegg
3. It works good enough for me not to bitch about it like an old lady playing card games
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At least READ what is being said.
And how is Scali-bashing any better than Winchester-bashing (although I didn't actually bash, I just stated some facts)?
Grow up people, you guys piss me off.
So many people who don't even really understand what I said (and what I didn't say)... And who feel like just lashing out in my general direction for no other reason than that they're too pathetic to handle some less-than-positive news from their favourite CPU manufacturer.
Really, stfu already, all of you!
 
Scali said:
At least READ what is being said.
And how is Scali-bashing any better than Winchester-bashing (although I didn't actually bash, I just stated some facts)?
Grow up people, you guys piss me off.
So many people who don't even really understand what I said (and what I didn't say)... And who feel like just lashing out in my general direction for no other reason than that they're too pathetic to handle some less-than-positive news from their favourite CPU manufacturer.
Really, stfu already, all of you!
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Bro!

You really did have some great points to make! I commend you on that, and learned some things along the way.

I am not "pro" anyone... not AMD nor Intel.

You do have to understand that your tone tends to be combative, therefore you will get like responses.

I think we are done here.

-Skystalker
 
I just had a thought. With the new mem controller of the Venice/SD being able to handle 4xDS modules, does anyone care to speculate as to whether or not the new rev cpu will be compatible with 2GB mem modules? Not that WinXP Home or Pro will find any harmony in users filling 4 slots with 8 gigs of ram and trying to get Windows to use it all...


Thoughts?
 
Skystalker said:
You do have to understand that your tone tends to be combative, therefore you will get like responses.
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No, I don't understand this.
What do you mean exactly by that... can you give me any quotes and point it out?
As far as I'm concerned I just explained the problems AMD seemed to be having... and shortly after, I was getting insulted personally and all that, by at least 3 or 4 people.
 
Scali said:
Really, stfu already, all of you!
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Scali, above is a qoute where you seem to be combative.

on topic, I think the reason we are not seen faster products is because they get a better yield at the slower speed and are selling as many as they can make. What is the point of setting a higher bar.
 
Hito Bahadur said:
Scali, above is a qoute where you seem to be combative.
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Yea, which is at the very END of the discussion, after I got flamed and insulted many times over. So obviously this cannot be the CAUSE of these flames and insults, see?
*sigh*, I wonder how some of you people manage to breathe.
 
The question is whether we post to prove we are right or because it is soooo entertaining..... Any thought BillR?
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
i expect it to be that way with newark. they will be a mobile surprise, and when they come out, a few chosen people will discover how great they are for 754, and youll get hords coming back here for 3ghz chips with minimal effort, i hope :D
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I wouldn't count on it.
 
why not? at the moment, it appears to be a speed binned san diego. it should clock quite well. :p
 
Hito Bahadur said:
The question is whether we post to prove we are right or because it is soooo entertaining..... Any thought BillR?
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Only some are right, or trying to be. Not sure how too large of an ego can be enteraining ;)

(cf)Eclipse and I tend to think along the same lines so maybe I’m just plain prejudice :D
 
Delayed till may 6th. Only 3800 and 4000 venices or diegos will start shipping from Monarch on fri.. :(
 
centvalny said:
Delayed till may 6th. Only 3800 and 4000 venices or diegos will start shipping from Monarch on fri.. :(
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oh well i didnt have the cash to get one anyway.
 
Whats the predicted price of the FX-57? And how about the memory? Ive been told A64s run at 333mhz with using more than two slots.

After reading 7 pages of bitching and questions, I cant remember if its been answered or not.
 
bob said:
Whats the predicted price of the FX-57? And how about the memory? Ive been told A64s run at 333mhz with using more than two slots.

After reading 7 pages of bitching and questions, I cant remember if its been answered or not.
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they used too. with E3 and E4, (Venice and San Diego) teh memory controller ahs been updated and you can run 4 double sided dimms at DDR400
 
with a stipulation. they have to be double sided sticks. ;)
single sided sticks didn't have any problems unless you had a crappy memory controller.

as for the price, probably the same as the fx-51, 53 and 55 were at launch, ~$850 :D
 
I'm seriously considering a new build with the best of the best from the ground up, one piece at a time but I'm going to wait until the FX-57 comes out before I make that choice. That, and the new videocard offerings ;)
 
A chinese firework factory plans to buy AMD . THE good news is FX 53 AND 55 well be sold for $20.00 per chip. Intel plans to retired and start building military rifles to replace the aging and obsolete M-16.
 
Why does it say SpiffVortex posted in here but he's nowhere to be found? Strange.....
 
TheAcorn said:
Interesting marketing spin. Post title: "OMG! FX-xx @ 3.6 ghz!" would be quite a marketing coup for AMD in the enthusiast market. Remember the Athlon XP-M OCing (I'm still doing it) when people found out about that? I bet there are more XP-Ms in Desktops than there are in laptops!
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I agree
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From the AnandTech.com Athlon X2 review:

AnandTech.com said:
2) The Athlon 64 FX will continue as a single core CPU line, with the FX-57 (2.8GHz) due out in June.

3) The Athlon 64 FX-55 and FX-57 will co-exist, with the FX-57 being introduced at around $900.
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Yey! C'moooon June. :D
 
Well it says right there it'll "co exist" so that must mean 90nm....otherwise why mention it?
 
The FX-XX code designates the clock speed only, such that 51 = 2.2GHz, 53 = 2.4GHz, 55 = 2.6GHz, 57 = 2.8GHz, 59 = 3.0GHz, and so on. It's not a performance-based rating like "3500+"
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
why not? at the moment, it appears to be a speed binned san diego. it should clock quite well. :p
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Speed binned? Hahahaa. No, you got it wrong. They're mobiles, so they're binned for thermal performance instead. Transistors that have lower switching rate, typically run cooler. So, basically they would try to pick that slowest chip that can run X.X GHz, and sell it as a mobile.
(cf)Eclipse said:
well the 130nm fx-55 can coexist with the 90nm fx-57 ;)
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Nope. There can only be one flagship CPU.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
well the 130nm fx-55 can coexist with the 90nm fx-57 ;)
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It could, and would by default, but why even say anything about it? They'd have to refresh it to keep anyone interested really....seeing as how that's a market for people who like to spend lots 'o money. It was mentioned in the press release that they'd be side by side, so that leads me to believe 90nm....but I could be wrong.
 
iddqd said:
Speed binned? Hahahaa. No, you got it wrong. They're mobiles, so they're binned for thermal performance instead. Transistors that have lower switching rate, typically run cooler. So, basically they would try to pick that slowest chip that can run X.X GHz, and sell it as a mobile.
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explain the athlon xp mobile then ;)

tsuehpsyde, i hope you're right. plus, it kinda makes sense. :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
explain the athlon xp mobile then ;)

tsuehpsyde, i hope you're right. plus, it kinda makes sense. :D
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theyre not speedbinned, theyre voltage binned. since they can run at such low voltages, they often can overclock better with more voltage - rather than a chip that takes .2v more to get the same stock clock speed.
 
Well my basic point is this:

If they evolve to the next series, it's my idea (possibly incorrect) that the older FX's aren't made anymore....they just cycle out. Reguardless, why would they sell an FX-55 without SSE3 and running 130nm when they can pay a little more for 200 more MHz stock, 90nm which is cooler, and SSE3...plus a new core (San Diego). To be it only makes sense they at LEAST make a 90nm claw, or possibly a San Diego FX-55.....if not, why the hell even mention it in the press release ya know?
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Well my basic point is this:

If they evolve to the next series, it's my idea (possibly incorrect) that the older FX's aren't made anymore....they just cycle out. Reguardless, why would they sell an FX-55 without SSE3 and running 130nm when they can pay a little more for 200 more MHz stock, 90nm which is cooler, and SSE3...plus a new core (San Diego). To be it only makes sense they at LEAST make a 90nm claw, or possibly a San Diego FX-55.....if not, why the hell even mention it in the press release ya know?
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San Diego is a 90nm ClawHammer. Much like Winchester/Venice is a 90nm version of the NewCastle. Sure, there were some tweaks made along the way, some for better - some for worse, but it's still essentially the same core. Moreover, not only it doesn't make any sense for AMD to have to flagship chips at once (neither AMD nor Intel have done that recently, for a good reason, too) but it doesn't make any sense to keep manufacturing what's basically the same core on a larger fab. Not only it takes up a production line, but the bigger dies also cost more. And did I mention they're essentially the same thing? Besides, the new San Diego cores will not only be used for the FX-57, I'm sure. What about all those that don't make the bin for 2.8GHz? Throw them away? No, they can still be used in other CPU's, such as the 4000+, or whatnot.
(cf)Eclipse said:
explain the athlon xp mobile then

tsuehpsyde, i hope you're right. plus, it kinda makes sense.
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The AthlonXP-M was not a true mobile effort by AMD. True, they did bin them at X.XGHz at a preset voltage, that just so happens to be lower than the desktop parts. So you get realyively low-end mobile parts that can potentially be as good (or even better) than high-end desktop couterparts, such as the 3200+. And it even was the same way with the mobile Athlon64 line. No optimizations were made, those are basically just desktop CPUs that passed the bin for a lower voltage. Minus the heatspreader, but that doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

However, with AMD's new efforts to bring a 'true' mobile architecture, the Turion (did I mention I din't like the name?), ... anyway, AMD is really trying to cut down on power consumption and thermal output. Although the decided to still use the AMD64 architecture (it's much better suited for mobility than Intel's NetBurst, so they don't really need anything drastically different), it's not enough to just bin the chips at lower voltage anymore. They have made some optimizations, and although all the optimizations are transistor-level only (such as using SOI as opposed to SSOI, for one) there's also a bin for those cores which can just barely run their specified frequency at stock. So, in that sense, lower-end Turions (the 35W model, IIRC) should be better overclockers than the higher-end (25W, IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong). There's even a quote from some executive guy at AMD that the Turions will have transistors that have lower switching rates, at the gain of better thermal performance. I can't be bothered to find it right now, because I've pmed it to you a while ago, and it's much easier for you to dig it up now :). Of course, we can always hope that the Turion line will be the next Mobile Barton, but it's a long shot.
lithium726 said:
theyre not speedbinned, theyre voltage binned. since they can run at such low voltages, they often can overclock better with more voltage - rather than a chip that takes .2v more to get the same stock clock speed.
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Well, they're still speed binned, but at a lower voltage ;). Besides, it's not quite the same core...
 
iddqd said:
Besides, the new San Diego cores will not only be used for the FX-57, I'm sure. What about all those that don't make the bin for 2.8GHz? Throw them away? No, they can still be used in other CPU's, such as the 4000+, or whatnot.
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the 57, 4000+ and 3700+ are san diego.
 
iddqd said:
However, with AMD's new efforts to bring a 'true' mobile architecture, the Turion (did I mention I din't like the name?), ... anyway, AMD is really trying to cut down on power consumption and thermal output. Although the decided to still use the AMD64 architecture (it's much better suited for mobility than Intel's NetBurst, so they don't really need anything drastically different), it's not enough to just bin the chips at lower voltage anymore. They have made some optimizations, and although all the optimizations are transistor-level only (such as using SOI as opposed to SSOI, for one) there's also a bin for those cores which can just barely run their specified frequency at stock.
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yeah, i'm aware of that. i'm just trying to convince myself that amd won't use the turion based cores that need more voltage. and yes, the name really does suck. oh well

lithium, don't forget the 512kb san diego, 3500+ :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
lithium, don't forget the 512kb san diego, 3500+ :D
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oh right. i wonder if those will prove to be better overclockers? i doubt it though...

in retrospect, they might be. think of this: a SD that can pull 57 speeds but is binned a 3500+ becuase a bit of its cache is messed up... yummy
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that's my thought too. it's just a question of how many cpu's you have to go through before getting one :( :p
 
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