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[Derangel]

Argued many times. Societies don't grow unless there's some sort of incentive/punishment to steer men to marry and support families. Cheap prostitution, who in their right mind would get married? So, they keep any sex outside marriage illegal and immoral. Doesn't work perfectly, as we can see, but it keeps lots of stupid men stuck raising families. Most don't learn until it's too late, that we can get sex without the hassle of a house with a fat ugly wife and annoying kids.
I'm not saying that there aren't content married couples out there. But tell me the last time a guy who's married over a year, was in a hurry to get home after work so he could have hot nasty sex with his wife. Doesn't happen.
Single with a new girlfriend? Happens all the time.
You choose your type of sex. Same old same old, or new and hot (and more frequent).

That's a load of horseshit. Prostitution being legal won't change "love" or people wanting to live together. I'd argue that our country's hyper-puritanical view of human sexuality is one of the big causes of our high divorce rates. Society teaches us that even thinking of sex outside of a marriage is horrific and should never even be talked about. Couples can't even talk about that stuff without having to tread on eggshells and cross several bullshit and arbitrary social boundaries. Beyond that, life and partnership does not revolve around sex. Humans are sexual creatures, but we are also highly social and tribal ones as well. Maybe if we could be honest about this shit, and not bound by out-dated and worthless religious beliefs about sex, couples could be a hell of a lot happier.

I've known more than a few couples, straight and gay, with open relationships. It works incredibly well for them. Both partners are able to be honest about their desires and are allowed to seek adventures outside of the relationship, with some guidelines set by both of them. Obviously that kind of thing won't work for everyone, but it goes to show that sex being available outside of a partnership does not mean that partnerships do not happen.

 

[rudy]

A lot of people here argue a lot of different things. I found through unfortunate circumstances that the vast majority of people really have no clue what motivates humans in relationships. Most humans are simply programmed from their childhood for how they will behave in relationships and what they want and this includes them wanting to do things that make themselves unhappy. And that's the biggest driver. Religion, legal constraints, rational arguments, nothing matters, they will keep retracting back to their subconscious motivations no matter what society, friends, religion try to tell them, and there is simply no logic or even relevance to situations. Anytime someone tells you they like a person cause of X or Y, or got divorced because of A or B its pretty much all bullshit it was just a rationalization of a completely irrational subconscious emotional drive. So what does that mean, it means if you legalize prostitution plenty of people will continue with nuclear families, plenty of people will never go to prostitutes. But it also means that legalizing it or being liberal and open about relationships will also not create better relationships. Essentially what it means is that nothing will change. Relationships are largely voluntary emotional endeavors and if you are emotionally driven to live with another person you are going to try to make that happen no matter how cheap and plentiful and safe prostitutes are, and if you are emotionally driven to go have sex with a strange woman then you will go see prostitutes or find someone promiscuous at the bar no matter how draconian laws may get.

Here is an example. There are some people, and a surprisingly much bigger amount than you think that are programmed from childhood to be cheaters. For them what they need is to cheat. Now its not cheating if its an open relationship, that does not satisfy their desires. So out there in the population is this massive group of millions of people who need to convince someone to get into a "monogamous" relationship with them, then they need to go and cheat on that person. And nothing else will satisfy their desires. And the best part is they have no idea that they are like this. They will tell people every time that the reason they cheated was cause of A or B. IE their partner let them down never realizing or accepting that millions of other people go through far worse situations and don't cheat or that society now accepts open relationships. Just the same as some people are driven to be pedophiles and any other emotional desire people have.

The only way you can change society is if you change childhood, and the only way you can change that is by changing parenting. But good luck trying the platform of you are bad parents for anything in society.

 

[nightfly]

That's a load of horseshit. Prostitution being legal won't change "love" or people wanting to live together.

Over time, it will.

Beyond that, life and partnership does not revolve around sex. Humans are sexual creatures, but we are also highly social and tribal ones as well.

Yes, but we actually have laws about adultery, and that is the single biggest cause of couples splitting up, married or not. Infidelity is a HUGE deal for most people, if not for you. I'm guessing you've never had sex outside an active relationship, or had a mate do that while with you? And if you did you're fine with it? I'd love to meet your SO.
Well, more than half of the population has been cheated on, and more than half of marriages split apart, usually because each wants to have sex with someone else. So yes, our partnerships revolved tightly around sex, and who we're NOT getting to have sex with.

I've known more than a few couples, straight and gay, with open relationships. It works incredibly well for them.

My experience has been exactly the opposite. The ones who fool around and don't tell are the ones whose marriages survive. And that includes the guys who rent girls by the hour.

 

[Derangel]

Over time, it will.

Yes, but we actually have laws about adultery, and that is the single biggest cause of couples splitting up, married or not. Infidelity is a HUGE deal for most people, if not for you. I'm guessing you've never had sex outside an active relationship, or had a mate do that while with you? And if you did you're fine with it? I'd love to meet your SO.
Well, more than half of the population has been cheated on, and more than half of marriages split apart, usually because each wants to have sex with someone else. So yes, our partnerships revolved tightly around sex, and who we're NOT getting to have sex with.


My experience has been exactly the opposite. The ones who fool around and don't tell are the ones whose marriages survive. And that includes the guys who rent girls by the hour.

Care to back that up with proof? And I mean actual valid proof. Not some crazy conspiracy theory or religious nonsense. Marriage (or unions between two people) has existed for a very long time. You know what else has? Prostitution. There is a reason it is called the world's oldest profession. Prostitution has NEVER caused an entire society to abolish marriage. Prostitution is only illegal because of religious puritanical ideology. There is zero scientific of logical basis behind it being outlawed. It was demonized by corrupt religious and ruling figures that wanted to control what people did and used fear and other horrific methods to force people into believing what they wanted them to in order to control them.

I've been cheated on before as well. It hurts. Not only did it my relationship but it also destroyed the marriage of two of my best friends and cost all four of us that close friendship, forever. That experience has shaped how I feel about things now. Along with seeing how things work out for other people and their experiences.

Like I said, its obviously not something that will work for everyone. That said, I'd argue that if someone feels the need to hide something like that from their SO then the marriage shouldn't last in the first place. Sometimes people simply are not compatible. Prostitution being legal isn't going to change that. Realistically prostitution being legalized is unlikely to have any effect on marriage or divorce rates in the country. An over-all attitude shift on how we think about human sexuality and being more open to talk about things would though. In fact, it actually might have a short drop negative effect because people would feel more free to discuss these things and not feel the need to just accept when they're not happy. In the long term I do believe it would have a large positive effect on divorce rates.

Edit: All that aside. Is marriage really that important? I know its beneficial to have two parents to raise a child, but no one needs marriage for that. There are some damn good tax benefits for marriage, but I would say that it means it is required. Next of kin and all that jazz can be accomplished without marriage. Gotta say I don't really see a reason why marriage itself even needs to exist. Finding your true love, marrying them, raising a family (no thank you), and growing old together is a nice romantic idea but is there any actual societal need for the concept of marriage to exist?

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Follow the money. Maybe brick and mortar whorehouses want to fight the onslaught of online escort services? After all, pimps and madams have to make a buck, too.


Argued many times. Societies don't grow unless there's some sort of incentive/punishment to steer men to marry and support families. Cheap prostitution, who in their right mind would get married? So, they keep any sex outside marriage illegal and immoral. Doesn't work perfectly, as we can see, but it keeps lots of stupid men stuck raising families. Most don't learn until it's too late, that we can get sex without the hassle of a house with a fat ugly wife and annoying kids.
I'm not saying that there aren't content married couples out there. But tell me the last time a guy who's married over a year, was in a hurry to get home after work so he could have hot nasty sex with his wife. Doesn't happen.
Single with a new girlfriend? Happens all the time.
You choose your type of sex. Same old same old, or new and hot (and more frequent).

Yanno, women face the same dillema:marriage with a fat ugly guy, or hot sex every night at the local...

Um, damn. Any woman can get laid for free at any time. All she has to do is say "yes".

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Plenty of people I know in NV get married and raise families, this argument does not hold water, hmm...maybe that's not the best phrase in light of this topic. Prostitution has been legal in flourishing societies in the past (Ancient Greece and Rome come to mind).

Everyone likes strange...

FAKE EDIT: humans are constitutionally incapable of monogamy.

 

[DocNo]

Cue Hard|OCP/Hardforum moving to TOR in 3...2...1...

lol - no: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-02/tor-project-almost-100-funded-us-government-report

 

[nightfly]

Um, damn. Any woman can get laid for free at any time. All she has to do is say "yes".

Yes, but it's not with anyone that she wants to have sex with. Think about it; you can get put into prison and hence, wind up having sex anytime you want, too, I'm sure there are a number of willing prisoners who would welcome a blow job from anyone willing after a certain period behind bars. But is that with someone you want to have sex with? That's the problem with your statement. You assume that any woman is willing to have sex with guys who disgust her just to 'have sex'. Because that situation is pretty much guaranteeing she's not going to enjoy it. You get to stick it in her, pump for a couple of minutes, come, and be done, and be perfectly okay with that, fall asleep and repeat the same scenario the next day. It takes a whole lot more than that for a woman to enjoy sex.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

That's a load of horseshit. Prostitution being legal won't change "love" or people wanting to live together. I'd argue that our country's hyper-puritanical view of human sexuality is one of the big causes of our high divorce rates. Society teaches us that even thinking of sex outside of a marriage is horrific and should never even be talked about. Couples can't even talk about that stuff without having to tread on eggshells and cross several bullshit and arbitrary social boundaries. Beyond that, life and partnership does not revolve around sex. Humans are sexual creatures, but we are also highly social and tribal ones as well. Maybe if we could be honest about this shit, and not bound by out-dated and worthless religious beliefs about sex, couples could be a hell of a lot happier.

I've known more than a few couples, straight and gay, with open relationships. It works incredibly well for them. Both partners are able to be honest about their desires and are allowed to seek adventures outside of the relationship, with some guidelines set by both of them. Obviously that kind of thing won't work for everyone, but it goes to show that sex being available outside of a partnership does not mean that partnerships do not happen.

The divorce rate is mostly due to religions forcing their puritanical controls on sex education in that they refuse to teach the *biology* behind sex, preferring to hammer home the "GAAWD SEZ" bullshit without any real practical sex ed, which leads to the fact that people marry while they're still in "lust", mistaking that for "love", and when they revert to their base personalities, the find out how incompatible they really are. They don't have an actual FRIENDSHIP upon which to base a relationship. And so they split.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

A lot of people here argue a lot of different things. I found through unfortunate circumstances that the vast majority of people really have no clue what motivates humans in relationships. Most humans are simply programmed from their childhood for how they will behave in relationships and what they want and this includes them wanting to do things that make themselves unhappy. And that's the biggest driver. Religion, legal constraints, rational arguments, nothing matters, they will keep retracting back to their subconscious motivations no matter what society, friends, religion try to tell them, and there is simply no logic or even relevance to situations. Anytime someone tells you they like a person cause of X or Y, or got divorced because of A or B its pretty much all bullshit it was just a rationalization of a completely irrational subconscious emotional drive. So what does that mean, it means if you legalize prostitution plenty of people will continue with nuclear families, plenty of people will never go to prostitutes. But it also means that legalizing it or being liberal and open about relationships will also not create better relationships. Essentially what it means is that nothing will change. Relationships are largely voluntary emotional endeavors and if you are emotionally driven to live with another person you are going to try to make that happen no matter how cheap and plentiful and safe prostitutes are, and if you are emotionally driven to go have sex with a strange woman then you will go see prostitutes or find someone promiscuous at the bar no matter how draconian laws may get.

Here is an example. There are some people, and a surprisingly much bigger amount than you think that are programmed from childhood to be cheaters. For them what they need is to cheat. Now its not cheating if its an open relationship, that does not satisfy their desires. So out there in the population is this massive group of millions of people who need to convince someone to get into a "monogamous" relationship with them, then they need to go and cheat on that person. And nothing else will satisfy their desires. And the best part is they have no idea that they are like this. They will tell people every time that the reason they cheated was cause of A or B. IE their partner let them down never realizing or accepting that millions of other people go through far worse situations and don't cheat or that society now accepts open relationships. Just the same as some people are driven to be pedophiles and any other emotional desire people have.

The only way you can change society is if you change childhood, and the only way you can change that is by changing parenting. But good luck trying the platform of you are bad parents for anything in society.

When one realized that a relationship must be based on friendship, which begins with mutual respect, then it becomes immensely easier to build and work on any relationship, no matter the commitment level.

There's a saying: "Sex is sex, love is love." That means sex is not love, nor is love sex; that is, sex is a biological function, while love (aka "friendship") is an emotional function, and should be treated differently.

Sex as a biological function explains cheaters and prostitution: the drive to mate is the most powerful and highest priority instinct that drives us. Since few actually understand this, much less can control it, rampant cheating and whoring occurs, ESPECIALLY among males. Women can get laid far more easily than men (just say "yes"), so don't have to pay for it, while men must pay for it just to have a decent chance of getting laid.

Legalize prostitution, and rape/crime incidents drop like a rock, because men now have easier access, and don't have the breeding pressures pushing them to do the wrong thing. Regulate the industry, and the women have far less to worry about in terms of enslavement and rape--even women NOT in the industry, because the drive for a man to rape is significantly reduced to the point where it's controllable.

 

[alxlwson]

The divorce rate is mostly due to religions forcing their puritanical controls on sex education in that they refuse to teach the *biology* behind sex, preferring to hammer home the "GAAWD SEZ" bullshit without any real practical sex ed, which leads to the fact that people marry while they're still in "lust", mistaking that for "love", and when they revert to their base personalities, the find out how incompatible they really are. They don't have an actual FRIENDSHIP upon which to base a relationship. And so they split.

According to this, you're very wrong.

 

[alxlwson]

When one realized that a relationship must be based on friendship, which begins with mutual respect, then it becomes immensely easier to build and work on any relationship, no matter the commitment level.

There's a saying: "Sex is sex, love is love." That means sex is not love, nor is love sex; that is, sex is a biological function, while love (aka "friendship") is an emotional function, and should be treated differently.

Sex as a biological function explains cheaters and prostitution: the drive to mate is the most powerful and highest priority instinct that drives us. Since few actually understand this, much less can control it, rampant cheating and whoring occurs, ESPECIALLY among males. Women can get laid far more easily than men (just say "yes"), so don't have to pay for it, while men must pay for it just to have a decent chance of getting laid.

Legalize prostitution, and rape/crime incidents drop like a rock, because men now have easier access, and don't have the breeding pressures pushing them to do the wrong thing. Regulate the industry, and the women have far less to worry about in terms of enslavement and rape--even women NOT in the industry, because the drive for a man to rape is significantly reduced to the point where it's controllable.

Rape is not about sex. It's about control. Rape and prostitution do not correlate

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Over time, it will.

Yes, but we actually have laws about adultery, and that is the single biggest cause of couples splitting up, married or not. Infidelity is a HUGE deal for most people, if not for you. I'm guessing you've never had sex outside an active relationship, or had a mate do that while with you? And if you did you're fine with it? I'd love to meet your SO.
Well, more than half of the population has been cheated on, and more than half of marriages split apart, usually because each wants to have sex with someone else. So yes, our partnerships revolved tightly around sex, and who we're NOT getting to have sex with.


My experience has been exactly the opposite. The ones who fool around and don't tell are the ones whose marriages survive. And that includes the guys who rent girls by the hour.

Very few states have any form of infidelity laws (New York State being one of them).

Cheating happens because, once the couple gets a couple-three years in, they realize that they're utterly incompatible, with nothing in common upon which to base a relationship (i.e., they mistook "lust" for "love"), and things start going wrong. Often, they think having a kid or two will fix it, but it really just compounds the problem, to the point where the relationship dies altogether, and they start cheating on each other--and the first one to find a replacement wins.

Even people who have a strong relationship start to pine for that "rush" they had back in the day, and will step out. This is where I agree with you, in that those who are discreet and careful won't wreck their marriages (because they KNOW it's the better deal, long term), and stay together. But that's the exception that proves the rule.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

According to this, you're very wrong.

According to them, their very biased against biology versus god:

In its 30-year history, Barna Group has conducted more than one million interviews over the course of hundreds of studies, and has become a go-to source for insights about faith and culture, leadership and vocation, and generations

IOW, they have a vested interest in keeping your mind enslaved to their brand of belief. I only wonder which cult is really behind them.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Care to back that up with proof? And I mean actual valid proof. Not some crazy conspiracy theory or religious nonsense. Marriage (or unions between two people) has existed for a very long time. You know what else has? Prostitution. There is a reason it is called the world's oldest profession. Prostitution has NEVER caused an entire society to abolish marriage. Prostitution is only illegal because of religious puritanical ideology. There is zero scientific of logical basis behind it being outlawed. It was demonized by corrupt religious and ruling figures that wanted to control what people did and used fear and other horrific methods to force people into believing what they wanted them to in order to control them.

I've been cheated on before as well. It hurts. Not only did it my relationship but it also destroyed the marriage of two of my best friends and cost all four of us that close friendship, forever. That experience has shaped how I feel about things now. Along with seeing how things work out for other people and their experiences.

Like I said, its obviously not something that will work for everyone. That said, I'd argue that if someone feels the need to hide something like that from their SO then the marriage shouldn't last in the first place. Sometimes people simply are not compatible. Prostitution being legal isn't going to change that. Realistically prostitution being legalized is unlikely to have any effect on marriage or divorce rates in the country. An over-all attitude shift on how we think about human sexuality and being more open to talk about things would though. In fact, it actually might have a short drop negative effect because people would feel more free to discuss these things and not feel the need to just accept when they're not happy. In the long term I do believe it would have a large positive effect on divorce rates.

Edit: All that aside. Is marriage really that important? I know its beneficial to have two parents to raise a child, but no one needs marriage for that. There are some damn good tax benefits for marriage, but I would say that it means it is required. Next of kin and all that jazz can be accomplished without marriage. Gotta say I don't really see a reason why marriage itself even needs to exist. Finding your true love, marrying them, raising a family (no thank you), and growing old together is a nice romantic idea but is there any actual societal need for the concept of marriage to exist?

Only as a method of controlling womens' reproductive rights. The marriage concept is really an enslavement contract between the man (slaver), the woman (slave), and the church (the slavery-enabler). But keeping the flock stupid and uninformed about the reality of the biology, they keep them in check (especially women), and keep them writing those checks.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

lol - no: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-02/tor-project-almost-100-funded-us-government-report

Fine: "DARK WEB"....woooOOOoooo...

 

[Jagger100]

I'm confused is porn trafficking now called sex trafficking? Seems we found a way to confound the two and shutdown porn. Actual sex trafficking is already illegal, if anything this law will drive it deeper under ground and make it harder to find. Seems like Left and Right Prudes united to shutdown porn sites.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Yes, but it's not with anyone that she wants to have sex with. Think about it; you can get put into prison and hence, wind up having sex anytime you want, too, I'm sure there are a number of willing prisoners who would welcome a blow job from anyone willing after a certain period behind bars. But is that with someone you want to have sex with? That's the problem with your statement. You assume that any woman is willing to have sex with guys who disgust her just to 'have sex'. Because that situation is pretty much guaranteeing she's not going to enjoy it. You get to stick it in her, pump for a couple of minutes, come, and be done, and be perfectly okay with that, fall asleep and repeat the same scenario the next day. It takes a whole lot more than that for a woman to enjoy sex.

Not necessarily.

If a woman walks into a bar, and sees someone she wants, all she has to do is walk over and say "let's go"... And 9 time out of 10, he'll say "YES!" That one time out of ten will be a guy who understands himself and the biology better than the rest, and will be able to say "no".

But the rest? Not a chance.

As long as a woman KNOWS she has the right to say "no", and can back that up, she can do exactly this at any time she wants. And she SHOULD, if she chooses to do so, as a free and emancipated woman. Anything else is repression and a denial of her essential personhood.

 

[Jagger100]

Only as a method of controlling womens' reproductive rights. The marriage concept is really an enslavement contract between the man (slaver), the woman (slave), and the church (the slavery-enabler). But keeping the flock stupid and uninformed about the reality of the biology, they keep them in check (especially women), and keep them writing those checks.

LOL. Who pays the most on average to end this alleged dynamic in the relationship? Seems if it was the way you described, alimony would on average flow from a woman to a man to compensate his loss. But it doesn't, does it?

 

[alxlwson]

According to them, their very biased against biology versus god:


IOW, they have a vested interest in keeping your mind enslaved to their brand of belief. I only wonder which cult is really behind them.

You didn't address the data.

Just about every divorce study done uses Barna data because it's good data. Just because you don't like that it also happens to be from an organization that has roots in faith, doesn't make the data any less accurate.
I imagine you didn't even look at the data judging by your response. That's cool though. Whatever you need to keep your self-extracted opinion on a national issue with facts to back it up..

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

Rape is not about sex. It's about control. Rape and prostitution do not correlate

Only to the religulous, who don't wish to recognize the right of a woman to choose.

There are studies out there that prove that, in nature, many creatures will rape in order to breed--and it runs the gamut from insects all the way up to dolphins. And it includes humans.

Fact is, the only aspect of control in rape is controlling the unwilling partner long enough to complete the act--an act driven by an instinct so deeply programmed into every creature on the planet, that it becomes the #1 driver of behavior in all creatures. Especially mankind, who continues to ignore the fact because a few men want to control the minds and breeding of other people, and so will indoctrinate them into what is in essence a lie, and deny the truth behind the science.

That said, some instances of long-term rape are driven by control (heck, you can say that religion is just one gigantic long-term mind rape), which delves into psychopath territory; but many forms of rape (like date rape) are driven more by the biology than the desire to control--and this is where prostitution comes in to relive that biological pressure to breed at any cost.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

I'm confused is porn trafficking now called sex trafficking? Seems we found a way to confound the two and shutdown porn. Actual sex trafficking is already illegal, if anything this law will drive it deeper under ground and make it harder to find. Seems like Left and Right Prudes united to shutdown porn sites.

Exactamundo. The Wacky Religulous Nutbags just managed to criminalize porn, some forms of sex, and possibly sexual discussions.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

LOL. Who pays the most on average to end this alleged dynamic in the relationship? Seems if it was the way you described, alimony would on average flow from a woman to a man to compensate his loss. But it doesn't, does it?

Because the laws are still written to place the man as the "head of household", and therefore place the onus of everything in the relationship on him.

Again: in those situations, men cheat more than women, and aren't nearly as good at hiding it.

And I agree: it must be balanced out, eliminating any kind of "gender superiority" bias in the law.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

You didn't address the data.

Just about every divorce study done uses Barna data because it's good data. Just because you don't like that it also happens to be from an organization that has roots in faith, doesn't make the data any less accurate.
I imagine you didn't even look at the data judging by your response. That's cool though. Whatever you need to keep your self-extracted opinion on a national issue with facts to back it up..

I suspect the data immediately because they are a religious-based group, and their inherent biases will color every conclusion they make. Faith is not science; anything called "science" that is based on faith is not science. Statistics can be made to lie, especially when religion is involved.

 

[alxlwson]

Only to the religulous, who don't wish to recognize the right of a woman to choose.

There are studies out there that prove that, in nature, many creatures will rape in order to breed--and it runs the gamut from insects all the way up to dolphins. And it includes humans.

Fact is, the only aspect of control in rape is controlling the unwilling partner long enough to complete the act--an act driven by an instinct so deeply programmed into every creature on the planet, that it becomes the #1 driver of behavior in all creatures. Especially mankind, who continues to ignore the fact because a few men want to control the minds and breeding of other people, and so will indoctrinate them into what is in essence a lie, and deny the truth behind the science.

That said, some instances of long-term rape are driven by control (heck, you can say that religion is just one gigantic long-term mind rape), which delves into psychopath territory; but many forms of rape (like date rape) are driven more by the biology than the desire to control--and this is where prostitution comes in to relive that biological pressure to breed at any cost.

You sound like a miserable human being. I hope you get help.

 

[Jagger100]

Because the laws are still written to place the man as the "head of household", and therefore place the onus of everything in the relationship on him.

Again: in those situations, men cheat more than women, and aren't nearly as good at hiding it.

And I agree: it must be balanced out, eliminating any kind of "gender superiority" bias in the law.

Head of the household relegates everyone else as dependents or children and therefore need to be cared for by the head. Head of the household is not a Lord & Master roll. It's roll that has obligations.

 

[motomonkey]

Its ok because its just furries, who no one likes anyway/s.

“First they came for the Hookers, and I did not speak out- for I was not a hooker.

‘Then they came for the Furries, and I did not speak out- for I was not a Furrie.

‘Then the came for the Fleshlights, and I did not.... waiiitttt a minute!”

 

[rudy]

When one realized that a relationship must be based on friendship, which begins with mutual respect, then it becomes immensely easier to build and work on any relationship, no matter the commitment level.

There's a saying: "Sex is sex, love is love." That means sex is not love, nor is love sex; that is, sex is a biological function, while love (aka "friendship") is an emotional function, and should be treated differently.

Sex as a biological function explains cheaters and prostitution: the drive to mate is the most powerful and highest priority instinct that drives us. Since few actually understand this, much less can control it, rampant cheating and whoring occurs, ESPECIALLY among males. Women can get laid far more easily than men (just say "yes"), so don't have to pay for it, while men must pay for it just to have a decent chance of getting laid.

Legalize prostitution, and rape/crime incidents drop like a rock, because men now have easier access, and don't have the breeding pressures pushing them to do the wrong thing. Regulate the industry, and the women have far less to worry about in terms of enslavement and rape--even women NOT in the industry, because the drive for a man to rape is significantly reduced to the point where it's controllable.

You have your beliefs about relationships clearly strong ones but I would challenge you to think deeply about them before continuing to push for false solutions and try to convince people of things that are not real. The things people do are not just simple evolution. They are based on a number of things but the strongest factor in my studies and experiences is childhood upbringing. You say that "Legalize prostitution, and rape/crime incidents drop like a rock" Ok so if that is true we should be able to go look up data and see that a state like NV that has legalized prostitution should have a rape rate that is dropped like a rock or let me just give you the massive benefit of the doubt and say it should be at the lower end. So here is a data point https://www.statista.com/statistics/232563/forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-by-state/ and what you will see there is that no such reduction in rape has occurred. NV is the 7th worst state in the nation at that time for rape. But wait I don't want to be one of those biased people cherry picking results so lets see about another year, maybe NV just had a bad year. https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/opinion/sutter-alaska-rape-list/index.html Nope going back a few more years NV is in better shape but still in the worst 3rd of the states. How about another angle if prostitutes relieve some sort of sexual tension then why is it that once a person gets all the way to the prostitute they are then more likely to act violently against that person? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_prostitutes So it seems all those strip clubs, brothels and everything else aren't allowing a rapist to safely and consensually satisfy their desires. And it appears to directly refute your notions men are running around raping people because they have some suppressed evolutionary need to do so and if we could only accept this suddenly everything would get better. You claim to believe in science if so then you should look up the science on the subject and you should use a hypothesis driven approach to validate your claims.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

You sound like a miserable human being. I hope you get help.

I'm not the one who's brainwashed into thinking there's an invisible space alien pushing all our little buttons and causing people to turn into pedophiles disguised as priests and preachers.

I'm not the one conflating "faith" with reason and logic, and trying to cram his version of "faith" down everyone elses' throats.

If there's anyone here that's miserable it's you, because you live in a seriously flawed fantasy land, and will never be able to reconcile that with reality.

Me? I'm happy as a lark... except when some evangelical hypocrite tries to shove his religulous penis down my throat in the guise of a flawed law, or his idea of "how America should be". Otherwise, I'm completely at ease with myself.

 

[Big_Rig_Stig]

You have your beliefs about relationships clearly strong ones but I would challenge you to think deeply about them before continuing to push for false solutions and try to convince people of things that are not real. The things people do are not just simple evolution. They are based on a number of things but the strongest factor in my studies and experiences is childhood upbringing. You say that "Legalize prostitution, and rape/crime incidents drop like a rock" Ok so if that is true we should be able to go look up data and see that a state like NV that has legalized prostitution should have a rape rate that is dropped like a rock or let me just give you the massive benefit of the doubt and say it should be at the lower end. So here is a data point https://www.statista.com/statistics/232563/forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-by-state/ and what you will see there is that no such reduction in rape has occurred. NV is the 7th worst state in the nation at that time for rape. But wait I don't want to be one of those biased people cherry picking results so lets see about another year, maybe NV just had a bad year. https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/opinion/sutter-alaska-rape-list/index.html Nope going back a few more years NV is in better shape but still in the worst 3rd of the states. How about another angle if prostitutes relieve some sort of sexual tension then why is it that once a person gets all the way to the prostitute they are then more likely to act violently against that person? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_prostitutes So it seems all those strip clubs, brothels and everything else aren't allowing a rapist to safely and consensually satisfy their desires. And it appears to directly refute your notions men are running around raping people because they have some suppressed evolutionary need to do so and if we could only accept this suddenly everything would get better. You claim to believe in science if so then you should look up the science on the subject and you should use a hypothesis driven approach to validate your claims.

Nevada has only one place where prostitution is legal; the rest of the state prohibits it. So, bad example.

Better example: the Netherlands.

Go find the book, "A Biological Case For Rape", I forget the author; but his analysis is spot-on.

 

[H2R2P2]

 

[Darunion]

I see backpage was seized by the fbi.

 

[alxlwson]

I'm not the one who's brainwashed into thinking there's an invisible space alien pushing all our little buttons and causing people to turn into pedophiles disguised as priests and preachers.

I'm not the one conflating "faith" with reason and logic, and trying to cram his version of "faith" down everyone elses' throats.

If there's anyone here that's miserable it's you, because you live in a seriously flawed fantasy land, and will never be able to reconcile that with reality.

Me? I'm happy as a lark... except when some evangelical hypocrite tries to shove his religulous penis down my throat in the guise of a flawed law, or his idea of "how America should be". Otherwise, I'm completely at ease with myself.

Lol. You obviously have zero understanding of the faith. You also obviously have zero desire to have your misconceptions corrected.
Also, we are hypocrites. It's an open acknowledgement by all Christians. Nobody pushes our buttons because we don't have a destiny. There is this thing called free will.
That's cool though. I would suggest that before you continue to run your ignorant mouth on a subject you obviously have zero idea about that you educate yourself on the subject. You are so far away from even being able to have an educated discussion on the subject.

 

[nightfly]

That's cool though. I would suggest that before you continue to run your ignorant mouth on a subject you obviously have zero idea about that you educate yourself on the subject. You are so far away from even being able to have an educated discussion on the subject.

You love to use that as an out for the religious belief systems. We don't have to memorize the entire bible, koran, torah or any other compendium of religious dogma to be able to see the inconsistancies and paradoxes inherent to them, which relegate the status of them all, to fiction.
After all, if a god exists, why would it also provide a system of logical deductive reasoning that would make belief in it's religions less likely? And create a universe where the physical laws of that universe are inconsistant with the so called 'word of god'? Makes no sense, hence, nonsense.

 

[Derangel]

Lol. You obviously have zero understanding of the faith. You also obviously have zero desire to have your misconceptions corrected.
Also, we are hypocrites. It's an open acknowledgement by all Christians. Nobody pushes our buttons because we don't have a destiny. There is this thing called free will.
That's cool though. I would suggest that before you continue to run your ignorant mouth on a subject you obviously have zero idea about that you educate yourself on the subject. You are so far away from even being able to have an educated discussion on the subject.

I don't have Stig's rather extreme reaction to religion, but I definitely agree with him on one thing: It's all bullshit. I went to church as a kid. I've read the bible (King James version, if you want to know), most of my family are heavily Christian. I, thankfully, was allowed to explore my own beliefs and figure out what I did or did not believe in. I find religion to be utter bullshit. If people find happiness in it and if believing in some magic space man makes their lives better, so be it. Life sucks and for some people religion helps make it better. There are serious problems with subjecting young children to it, however. When it comes to children, yes, they are being brainwashed. In fact, churches use many of the same tactics as a cult would. And you are going to say something along the lines of you're helping them, you want to teach them about God, and whatever else. There is a perfectly apt reply for that: The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Dekoth-E-]

I see this thread has been thoroughly hijacked by the religious right and their typical refusal to provide even a shred of actual proof of their nonsense morality belief enforcement. The war on sex is like the war on drugs, it doesn't accomplish anything except make those who want to believe it works in spite of evidence to the contrary feel better. Actual studies (you know, objective scientific things, non bullshit pulled out of a demonstrably false book) have proven time and again that legal prostitution not only has zero impact on marriage, but actually reduces the transmission of STD's as well as violent sexual crimes. But go on believing 2000+ year old fairy tails that have absolutely zero credibility.

 

[alxlwson]

I see this thread has been thoroughly hijacked by the religious right and their typical refusal to provide even a shred of actual proof of their nonsense morality belief enforcement. The war on sex is like the war on drugs, it doesn't accomplish anything except make those who want to believe it works in spite of evidence to the contrary feel better. Actual studies (you know, objective scientific things, non bullshit pulled out of a demonstrably false book) have proven time and again that legal prostitution not only has zero impact on marriage, but actually reduces the transmission of STD's as well as violent sexual crimes. But go on believing 2000+ year old fairy tails that have absolutely zero credibility.

And now also by the forum's resident tin foil hat.

 

[Dekoth-E-]

And now also by the forum's resident tin foil hat.

Not a tin foil hat by any definition, but nice try and deflecting.

 

[alxlwson]

Not a tin foil hat by any definition, but nice try and deflecting.

Lmao. Ok dude.

 

[Dekoth-E-]

Lmao. Ok dude.

So are you planning on actually providing the first shred of unbiased evidence to support your claims? Or are you just going to keep posting links to nonsense websites and throwing out one line insults that you aren't even using correctly?