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Fast $700 rig

rasen

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc

Web Browsing and some graphics work (already have a good monitor). I need the computer to be fast in daily operations (ie bootup etc)

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
~$700. A little more or little less would be fine. Tax and shipping NOT included.

3) Where do you live?
California. I expect to be buying from places like amazon to keep the tax and shipping low, but you can leave the price hunting to me.

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.

All parts of the computer. I dont need speakers, monitor, mouse, or keyboard. Just the case and components within.

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.

no parts will be re-used.

6) Will you be overclocking?
No

7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
I have a 22" ultrasharp. I am not planning on upgrading.

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?

In the week.

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.

Generally basic. No sli, raid, blah blah.

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?
Yes. Windows 7.

Things that I would like, but certainly arent necessary are sata 3/usb 3.

Speed is of the essence here. I want a fast computer and you can skimp in other areas (such as graphics). If it comes down to it, integrated graphics might do just fine. Raw processing power and speed are the most important here. An SSD in this rig is required somewhere but probably no larger than 40 GB to keep the cost down. So maybe the Intel 40GB would work here?
 
MOBO + onboard nvidia 8 series hd graphics. Very good have used them on my crosshair II
And was surpised that onboard graphics could be that good.

MSI NF980-G65 AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130236 $159,99

Cpu
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851 $199,99

Ram
Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148323 $99,99

Ssd
Intel X25-V SSDSA2MP040G2R5 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167025 $99,99

Cheap case ( without graphics card there will not be that much heat so....)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163168 $39,99

450 watt psu will be more than sufficient.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817822002 $34,99

Is $634,-


It will be fast.
 
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above build looks good, except:
a) why does he need that sli mobo? wouldn't something like this work fine?:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=211467324&listingid=58153103
GIGA-BYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H

b) not familiar with that psu brand. Just make sure it's a quality unit. Couldn't find any actual reviews of it.

c) i would try to upgrade the ssd to the 80gb intel or some other model, simply for more space and faster speed.

d) If you're doing a lot of photo work more memory will always help.
 
The AMD processor is nice, but I am able to get a Core i7 930 for about $250, so I assume that would be better than AMDs 6 core due to its hyperthreading and turbo boost because single thread performance with the turbo boost would be really beneficial in some applications right?
 
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I recommend that you drop the SSD for now. The good ones that will give you a more noticeable speed boost are over $100 on their own. You'd benefit more from buying 8GB of RAM, as you could use a RamDisk program to convert one 4GB kit into a super-fast swap disk for your graphics work.

Do you live near a Micro Center or Fry's B&M store? They often have lots of local deals on processor and motherboard bundles, but they vary from store to store.

$200 - AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
$82 - MSI 880GM-E43
$85 - PNY Optima MD4096KD3-1333 2x2GB DDR3 1333 dual channel kit
$68 - Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB HDD
$26 - LG GH24NS50 SATA DVD burner
$40 - Cooler Master Elite 310 case
$50 - Corsair CX430 430W PSU
=====
$551 - Subtotal (not including shipping, taxes, or rebates)

Optional (if the onboard video's not to your liking):
$40 - Sapphire 100291L Radeon HD 5450

I intentionally left you some slack in your budget. You could choose between buying another dual-channel set of RAM or an SSD. If you had an additional $100 to spend, you could grab both, or you could use the extra money for a much better SSD.

The Intel Core i7 930 is not worth the money, as you'd have to spend more on a decent Socket 1366/X58 motherboard (at least $170, and most of the good ones don't come with onboard video).
 
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The AMD processor is nice, but I am able to get a Core i7 930 for about $250, so I assume that would be better than AMDs 6 core due to its hyperthreading and turbo boost because single thread performance with the turbo boost would be really beneficial in some applications right?

AMD has turbo boost too. 3 cores are raised to 3.6 on the 1090t that i have.

And I agree on the board not needing sli but it's just sweet onboard graphics.
 
taking your suggestions in mind, i came up with this build:

Intel Core i7 930 - $250
MSI X58M LGA 1366 Intel X58 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard-- $ 150
OCZ Obsidian 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory-- $77 After Rebate
Intel 40GB SSD-- $100
LG GH22LS50 22x DVD±RW Drive with LightScribe - (Double-layer)-- $20
Cooler Master Elite 310 case-- $40
Corsair CX430 430W PSU-- $50
Sapphire Radeon HD5450 512 MB DDR2-- $30 after rebates

Total $717 after rebates out the door

Sorry I didnt hyperlink anything. From what I have been reading, the 930 is still better than AMD's highest 6 core, the Phenom II X6 1090T
 
Give me the before-rebate price as well as where you're buying most of the parts from. My math's a bit off, but I believe that the total will be closer to $800 once you check out.

As an X58M owner myself, it's imperative that you either replace the northbridge heatsink (however, you'll void the warranty if you do so) or use a 40mm case fan to cool it. The northbridge runs very hot.

Replace the OCZ Obsidian RAM with a RAM kit that runs at 1.5V. G.Skill, Mushkin, Geil, and Corsair make 1.5V kits.

Is it safe to assume that you already have a storage HDD available?
 
Those prices are from all over, including ebay which is why some of them are insanely cheap. Yes, the cost will be close to 800 but the after rebate price is all that matters to me. yes a storage HDD is available and I will not need to purchase one. My main priority in this rig is speed and I think Intel is the way to go for that route.
 
Again, go with a RAM kit that runs at 1.5V. And if you're pursuing an X58M, get a 40mm fan for the northbridge heatsink.

If you can, try to get an Intel X25-M SSD, which is faster than the X25-V variety.
 
The AMD processor is nice, but I am able to get a Core i7 930 for about $250, so I assume that would be better than AMDs 6 core due to its hyperthreading and turbo boost because single thread performance with the turbo boost would be really beneficial in some applications right?
its hard to say, if you go with the i7 930 over the 1055 you are paying:
+40$ for cpu
+70$ for mobo
+30$ for video card

so the question becomes, are you willing to pay +140$ to upgrade from 1055 amd to intel i7 930?

i like using anandtech's bench to compare sometimes, they dont have the 930 but they have the 920 and 940:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/47?vs=147

with that 140$ you can get an 80gb intel x25 instead, or upgrade and get some more ram. As someone else mentioned, with the extra ram, you can create a ramdisk, which if setup properly with photoshop should speed it up quite a bit.
 
He's right $ 140,- is not worth the small performace gain.

Wich yo will not notice in most real life app anyway
 
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That build is downright sick. But I think we can drop the 1 TB HD for a 6 GB/s sata card since the SSD you selected supports sata III. I Was thinking this card? And also, maybe upgrade that PSU to the antec 450? So this one?

So that makes the new total: about $702 roughly which is 100% doable here.
 
looks good, just remember that mobo only has 2 memory slots.
edit: another mobo: msi 760gm-e51
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130254
Also, dont think he really needs the video card.

edit: hard drive looks good
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2010/07/21/crucial-realssd-c300-64gb-ssd-review/1

That build is downright sick. But I think we can drop the 1 TB HD for a 6 GB/s sata card since the SSD you selected supports sata III. I Was thinking this card?
I'm honestly not sure if you would see any difference getting a basic sata3 controller card vs an onboard sata2. Unless ofcourse you actually copy large sequential files (in which case i'm not sure what source you're going to get that supports writing faster than 300mbs...)

and the difference isn't that big anyways:
Sequential Access - Read:
355MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) 265MB/sec (SATA 3Gb/s)
Sequential Access - Write:
70MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) 70MB/sec (SATA 3Gb/s)

It's not going to improve random reads or writes at all.

Now if you got some uber sweet expensive controller card with onboard memory than maybe you'll see some difference
 
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Well I am going to get the Sata III card no matter what if I were to get that SSD, so keep that factored in the price.
 
Don't go for Bman123's setup at all for a few reasons:
- Uses DDR2 RAM which means it'll be extremely expensive to upgrade later on.
- Uses unjustifiably expensive DDR2 RAM
- Based on socket AM2+ which means a lower chance of CPU upgrade path in the future.
- Shitty PSU. Just because it worked for him does not make that PSU a good, smart, or intelligent buy. However, don't go for the Basiq PSU either since it's also a low quality PSU. May not be as shitty as the Coolmax but still of low quality.

Go for tiraides' setup. Far better in terms of quality than Bman123's setup. He sacrificed too much in quality to gain performance.
 
Don't go for Bman123's setup at all for a few reasons:
- Uses DDR2 RAM which means it'll be extremely expensive to upgrade later on.
- Uses unjustifiably expensive DDR2 RAM
- Based on socket AM2+ which means a lower chance of CPU upgrade path in the future.
- Shitty PSU. Just because it worked for him does not make that PSU a good, smart, or intelligent buy. However, don't go for the Basiq PSU either since it's also a low quality PSU. May not be as shitty as the Coolmax but still of low quality.

Go for tiraides' setup. Far better in terms of quality than Bman123's setup. He sacrificed too much in quality to gain performance.

Well In the post above I modified his build to suit my needs and if the ram bothers you, i can go for some nice DDR3 sticks CL 7 like these for the same price essentially.

And for the motherboard, what about something like this? I wouldn't worry too much on being able to upgrade in the future, as I will probably run this one for at least 5-8 years until it gets so old that its obsolete.
 
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dvd burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180

case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215

hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

mb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131631

psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231320

cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

$670 total, could prolly save money if you search online for best prices on these parts or might be some bundles for them on newegg. if you want a graphics card you could find a 9600gt, 9800gt, 4850 for the hundred dollar range that will be enough for you.
 
Well In the post above I modified his build to suit my needs and if the ram bothers you, i can go for some nice DDR3 sticks CL 7 like these for the same price essentially.

And for the motherboard, what about something like this? I wouldn't worry too much on being able to upgrade in the future, as I will probably run this one for at least 5-8 years until it gets so old that its obsolete.
That DDR3 RAM stick is ok-ish.

That mobo is an ok budget mobo.

I saw that you modified the build (somewhat). However I did note that your PSU choice was a poor one. If you do go with a modified version of Bman's build, at least get this good quality PSU:
$50 - Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W PSU
 
Well the PSU that I modified to was the Antec 450Watt, so I don't know how that would be "poor quality" compared to the Antec 400 Watt that you have up there now. But my question is, would it be smarter to drop the Video card and Sata III card and just buy an expensive motherboard with integrated video and Sata III controllers like skuzzzzy suggested above?
 
Well the PSU that I modified to was the Antec 450Watt, so I don't know how that would be "poor quality" compared to the Antec 400 Watt that you have up there now.

The Antec Basiq BP430 430W that you chose is a low-quality FSP design whose MAX efficiency is only 78%. The Antec Neo Eco 400C 400W PSU that I recommended is a good quality Seasonic design whose efficiency is higher than 80%. As such, the Antec BP430 430W is a poor buy considering that the higher quality Antec Neo Eco 400C 400W is the same price.

But my question is, would it be smarter to drop the Video card and Sata III card and just buy an expensive motherboard with integrated video and Sata III controllers like skuzzzzy suggested above?

Yeah it would be smarter. You get a higher quality mobo as a result
 
Since you're not overclocking, I recommend this RAM instead:
$82 - G.Skill F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT 2 x 2GB DDR3 1333 RAM

You're not gonna notice an iota of real world performance difference between the above G.Skill set and that OCZ set. These days, timings and RAM speed do not matter that much.
 
Well since speed is my main concern, I think having the fastest cheap ram I can put in there is important. With the AMD 1055, Sata 6b/s SSD, and 1600 CL6 DDR3 ram for a little over $700 is hard to beat.
 

i wouldnt get the ocz ram. the ram i listed is better.

and i suggested over a 500w psu so you had room to add a graphic card later, i dont know what kind of graphic work you will do but i believe you will get much better colors from a decent graphic card. and seasonic is one of the best brands you can get.

and if you really want a ssd id suggest a sandforce, more reilable and faster write speed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...233124&cm_re=sandforce-_-20-233-124-_-Product
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...231377&cm_re=sandforce-_-20-231-377-_-Product

but really if you are only going to get a 60gb ssd sandforce and dont have a storage hdd, i think you should just buy the 1tb spinpoint and get a ssd later when they go down in price.
 
i wouldnt get the ocz ram. the ram i listed is better.

and i suggested over a 500w psu so you had room to add a graphic card later, i dont know what kind of graphic work you will do but i believe you will get much better colors from a decent graphic card. and seasonic is one of the best brands you can get.

and if you really want a ssd id suggest a sandforce, more reilable and faster write speed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...233124&cm_re=sandforce-_-20-233-124-_-Product
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...231377&cm_re=sandforce-_-20-231-377-_-Product

but really if you are only going to get a 60gb ssd sandforce and dont have a storage hdd, i think you should just buy the 1tb spinpoint and get a ssd later when they go down in price.

Well I like that SSD that I have due to its amazing radom and sequential read speeds which will most likely help more in daily tasks such as bootup and opening applications. And a 70MB/s write is still faster than any HD I will buy.

Edit: C300 review Here
 
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Well since speed is my main concern, I think having the fastest cheap ram I can put in there is important.

It really isn't. Like I said, ZERO real world performance improvement. You're just paying for bling at that point.
 
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