Farcry ment for nvidia

[cornelious0_0]

As of the current product offerings, and taking into account the fact that they have the BALLS to charge 500 dollars for a card that is anything less than perfect, nVidia will not be seeing ANY of my dollars anytime in the near future.

Since when is ATI perfect. I love my 9800XT but I'll always give Nvidia credit where it's due and realise ATI faults at the same time.....you still sound kinda one sided here.

Well sorry for being so blunt, but I've see-sawed back and forth between ATi & nVidia for years - between my last nVidia card and the sales pitches by them lately I am very disappointed.

That's great.....but you've still gotta have an open mind to what is out there. Even though I'd never personally buy a 5950.....I'm still fully aware of what it offers the customer and where it holds it's advantages over my ATI board. It's good to have some kind of brand preferance.....but you can't let that preferance rule your mind and close doors in your head that HAVE to stay open to really have an educated discussion about this stuff.

 

[infin|ty]

I didnt bother reading the whole thread but if someone already said this let me know.

I picked up a magazine at the store.. "Computer Gameing" and inside it has an ad that says "What's hotter than Half-Life 2? Playing Half-Life 2 on your PC with one of ATI's RADEON 9800 or RADEON 9600 series graphics cards. It's the best* way to experience Half-Life 2. Nothing is more immersive. Nothing is more intense. Nothing is more real. Half-Life 2 and RADEON are ready. Are you?"

"ATI's latest RADEON series -- The preferred graphics solution for Half-Life 2."

Now I think we all know that HL2 destroys FC graphics. It's just whoever wants to pay to have "the" game say that their card runs the best when playing it. I would take the 9800xt over a 5950u, look at all the benchmarks. The 9800xt is usually on top on benchmarks over every card out there, it's obvious the 9800xt is overall the better card.

There is a similar ad permotion for EverQuest, they use Falcon Northwest as their "computer that runs best on EQ."

 

[NeoNemesis]

I really don't think NVIDIA (or ATI) should be allowed to advertise (because thats all it is) on games. If all hardware manufactureres started doing this, gamers would be subjected to an hour of movies before they could even start.

Imagine having to sit through advertisements from: intel, asus, kingston, samsung, antec, maxtor, lite-on, logitech, microsoft, sound blaster, and God knows who else.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by NeoNemesis
Imagine having to sit through advertisements from: intel, asus, kingston, samsung, antec, maxtor, lite-on, logitech, microsoft, sound blaster, and God knows who else.

heh, funny.

 

[mcryptic]

Originally posted by NeoNemesis

Imagine having to sit through advertisements from: intel, asus, kingston, samsung, antec, maxtor, lite-on, logitech, microsoft, sound blaster, and God knows who else.

coming soon to a boot screen near you!

 

[Spiff1333]

Originally posted by NeoNemesis
I really don't think NVIDIA (or ATI) should be allowed to advertise (because thats all it is) on games. If all hardware manufactureres started doing this, gamers would be subjected to an hour of movies before they could even start.

Imagine having to sit through advertisements from: intel, asus, kingston, samsung, antec, maxtor, lite-on, logitech, microsoft, sound blaster, and God knows who else.

Ahhh come on....it would be like watching the previews before the movie.

 

[DaveX]

Originally posted by mcryptic
coming soon to a boot screen near you!

*shudders*

 

[IYIENACE]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Since when is ATI perfect. I love my 9800XT but I'll always give Nvidia credit where it's due and realise ATI faults at the same time.....you still sound kinda one sided here.

Here's my take on these two video card manufacturers. (My opinion)

nVidia; generally a better looking card physically. To some this may mean nothing but to me - I want the card to look worth the price I paid or pretty close to it! ATi cards to me almost always take a back seat to nVidia offerings, though lately I have seen really nice looking cards from ATi & (3rd party)

nVidia's drivers always seemed far better to me.

Aside from that, if I want a solid performing card, a card I can drop in and expect dependable performance from w/o issues then it's ATi. I didn't wake up and start hating nVidia or get an endorsement in the mail from ATi! After spending literally thousands of dollars on video cards I definitely feel I have earned a right to be opinionated and/or biased!

I honestly doubt I am the only consumer out there that has seriously regretted buying an nVidia card where as in my own personal experience an ATi card's performance almost always surpasses what I expected.

 

[Leb_CRX]

Originally posted by NeoNemesis
I really don't think NVIDIA (or ATI) should be allowed to advertise (because thats all it is) on games. If all hardware manufactureres started doing this, gamers would be subjected to an hour of movies before they could even start.

Imagine having to sit through advertisements from: intel, asus, kingston, samsung, antec, maxtor, lite-on, logitech, microsoft, sound blaster, and God knows who else.

honestly I don't think it matters, let them advertise, those who know better know better, and those who don't, don't really matter anyhow

 

[Spiff1333]

Originally posted by IYIENACE

nVidia; generally a better looking card physically. To some this may mean nothing but to me - I want the card to look worth the price I paid or pretty close to it! ATi cards to me almost always take a back seat to nVidia offerings, though lately I have seen really nice looking cards from ATi & (3rd party)

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Sure some cards look cooler then others but when it comes down to perfomance I could give a rats ass what it looks like.

 

[fallguy]

Originally posted by Spiff1333
hehe ok, no wonder. prometia, vapo, water?

Mach II.

edit, speaking of marketing. In the very first page of this months PC Gamer, it has a Farcry add. In the sky there is a little spec, that you cant really see. It has three captions of what it could be;

1. Drunken Hang Glider
2. Migratory parrot
3. Winged messenger of death

Then at the bottom, it says, "The answer is clear when you experience Farcry with the visual power of an nVidia Geforce FX graphicas processor in your PC."

Uh..

 

[cornelious0_0]

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Sure some cards look cooler then others but when it comes down to perfomance I could give a rats ass what it looks like.

I agree.....to an extent. I'm not going to buy a better LOOKING card just because it's better looking (even though this isn't what IYIENACE said) and possibly sacrifice performance. You've gotta draw the line too though, especially if you've got a window on your case. If your computer is a "sealed case" with no window then I could see how you wouldn't care what it looked like but with MY full side window and CCFL's, I wouldn't want the pride and joy of my computer to look like ass.

Here's my take on these two video card manufacturers. (My opinion)

I do hand it to Nvidia for being MUCH more user friendly over the last few years. That doesn't mean I've had troubles with my ATI cards (never had one) but I remember how easy it was to "get up and go" with my first GeForce card (when i knew very little about comps) and it was great. The driver scene has gotten a lot better over the last quarter or two but I still consider Nvidia on top in terms of ease of use. The fact that you can pick up basically any Nvidia hardware and use the same drivers for any of 'em really appeals to people.....and that's something that a lot of people find attractive.

 

[Brackle]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
I agree.....to an extent. I'm not going to buy a better LOOKING card just because it's better looking (even though this isn't what IYIENACE said) and possibly sacrifice performance. You've gotta draw the line too though, especially if you've got a window on your case. If your computer is a "sealed case" with no window then I could see how you wouldn't care what it looked like but with MY full side window and CCFL's, I wouldn't want the pride and joy of my computer to look like ass.



I do hand it to Nvidia for being MUCH more user friendly over the last few years. That doesn't mean I've had troubles with my ATI cards (never had one) but I remember how easy it was to "get up and go" with my first GeForce card (when i knew very little about comps) and it was great. The driver scene has gotten a lot better over the last quarter or two but I still consider Nvidia on top in terms of ease of use. The fact that you can pick up basically any Nvidia hardware and use the same drivers for any of 'em really appeals to people.....and that's something that a lot of people find attractive.

Uhhh, hate to tell ya but ATI drivers are just the same....4.3 CATS cover all ATI cards....isnt that the same...or?....

DASHlT
P.S. I am not a Fanboy

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by DASHlT
Uhhh, hate to tell ya but ATI drivers are just the same....4.3 CATS cover all ATI cards....isnt that the same...or?....

Ummm, no.....not quite. They don't stretch ALL the way back. Someone can pick up an ancient Vanta or TNT2 and have the Dets work just fine.....whereas if someone has an older Rage 128 or something, there are seperate drivers "recommended" for them.

Here's ATIs options.....a little picky in terms of what you can use with what IMO:

And here's Nvidias nice compatibility list:

Again, this might seem weird 'cus I own a Radeon but it really seems like I'm sticking up for Nvidia here. Truth is, I love 'em both for different reasons..........and they both excel in different areas.

 

[KingPariah777]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0


Here's ATIs options.....a little picky in terms of what you can use with what IMO:


And here's Nvidias nice compatibility list:

wow, so i can install the latest 56.xx whatever drivers for my ti4400 and experience frequent graphical glitches?

Thanks nVidia!

Ill stick with the 41.09's from over a year ago.

Thats right, I can't play Far Cry. But the latest nVidia drivers cause problems with UT2k3.

Perhaps if they had a solid set of "ti4x00 ONLY" drivers I wouldn't be in this bind.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by KingPariah777
wow, so i can install the latest 56.xx whatever drivers for my ti4400 and experience frequent graphical glitches?

Thanks nVidia!

Ill stick with the 41.09's from over a year ago.

Thats right, I can't play Far Cry. But the latest nVidia drivers cause problems with UT2k3.

Perhaps if they had a solid set of "ti4x00 ONLY" drivers I wouldn't be in this bind.

I'm just saying that they techincally support quite a bit more.....I haven't personally tested them with EVERY card to make sure they they're gonna work 100% in all games. Cus there's always stuff like that.....

 

[Munka]

Originally posted by KingPariah777
wow, so i can install the latest 56.xx whatever drivers for my ti4400 and experience frequent graphical glitches?

Thanks nVidia!

Ill stick with the 41.09's from over a year ago.

Thats right, I can't play Far Cry. But the latest nVidia drivers cause problems with UT2k3.

Perhaps if they had a solid set of "ti4x00 ONLY" drivers I wouldn't be in this bind.

That's YOU before I put in my 9800pro two days ago, I was playing UT2k3 and 4 on 56.56 with great frames on my TI4200.... Granted I have to overclock the balls off it to get a decent L.O.D. it was still plenty playable. (nothing compared to now however haha )

 

[Cryect]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Ummm, no.....not quite. They don't stretch ALL the way back. Someone can pick up an ancient Vanta or TNT2 and have the Dets work just fine.....whereas if someone has an older Rage 128 or something, there are seperate drivers "recommended" for them.

May I make note Rage 128 came back out around the time Nvidia's Riva128z came out I recall :-P

Then make notice that the Riva line and the original TNT are lacking from the Det Drivers so its not really saying much when you claim that ATI isn't supporting back to the Rage line (though they kept selling the Rage line longer but only a couple years ago Dell was selling original TNT cards as there bottom line card beyond integrated VGA in machines).

 

[cornelious0_0]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to muck around over ever last little detail.....the fact remains that Nvidias UDA does a lot more for the user in the sense that it is still more "backwards compatible" with previous generations of cards.

ATI has made a big turn around in the driver scene but Nvidia has stayed steady for the longest time and has always been known for fantastic stability and support.

Again, I still love my Radeon, and I'm thankfull I've never had any problems with it.....but that doesn't mean that there AREN'T problems out there. This goes for either company.

 

[Cryect]

Heh thats fine, then again nvidia kinda supports more generations back also due to ATI for the longest time was basically coming out with only one generation a year before the Radeon line.

Anyways ATI is not known for good OpenGL support still (great for mainstream games but unfortunately not so great for graphics where if something isn't popular its often broken somehow).

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by Cryect
Anyways ATI is not known for good OpenGL support still (great for mainstream games but unfortunately not so great for graphics where if something isn't popular its often broken somehow).

Exactly, this is another one of those situations where I'm happy to let Nvidia have the upper hand. They do what they do very well.....and OpenGL (games or otherwise) just happens to be one of them.

 

[Sandman]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
If you look back, Nvidia has almost always dominated in the OpenGL titles on the market.....and I'm afraid that Doom3 will be no different.

Plz don't go spouting remarks that you THINK MIGHT be true before we're even close to seeing any cold hard facts about the REAL performance.

anyone else see the irony in those two sentences?


Anyway, all I've heard is "NV40 is made to play Doom 3". That sentence has been repeated plenty of times, so I'm going to guess that the NV40 cards will perform faster in D3 than the r420 cards (image quality being a completely different subject...).

But I do agree with corny that I don't care who comes out on top. Whoever has the better card will get my money.

 

[cornelious0_0]

anyone else see the irony in those two sentences?

Heh, I guess I did kinda contradict myself there didn't I.....ah well. You all knew what I was getting at.

But I do agree with corny that I don't care who comes out on top. Whoever has the better card will get my money.

Exactly, I do believe that it's important to have some kind of preferance in computer hardware but there IS a thin line between preferring something, and swearing by something. You then turn from a fan and supporter, to a loyalist or "fanboy".....something that we really don't need more of around here.

I'm really rooting for Nvidia to make a comeback but if they don't, oh well.....then I'll go ATI again. I honestly don't care either way, seeing as I've owned cards from both makers and had excellent experiences on "both sides of the fence". I'm more excited about where the market is going and how fast these cards are going to be more then I am about which side comes out on top.