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Farcry ment for nvidia

dave343

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So I pre-ordered my copy of Far cry today and whats inside but a card saying Farcry runs best with the Geforce FX cards. I feel like taking back my 9600XT for a 5900 or something.
 
Just part of nVidia's "The way it was meant to be played" campaign. Kind of ironic since most of those games run better on ATI cards. FarCry is no exception. Check out the new 9800XT vs. 5950 Ultra review on the [H]ard Ocp front page.
 
Originally posted by dave343
So I pre-ordered my copy of Far cry today and whats inside but a card saying Farcry runs best with the Geforce FX cards. I feel like taking back my 9600XT for a 5900 or something.
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testing shows the reverse
 
If you give the developers enough money they'll put "Runs best on a bucket of sh*t!" on it...
 
Originally posted by micron69
The testing was awsome....
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there is more to come as well

i recently just reviewed a 5900XT and put it up against a 5700Ultra and 9600XT, and i used the new farcry research facility demo, this time i did a fraps manual run and graphed it, along with screenshots
 
Doom3 is suppose to run better on Nvidia too...i'll believe it when I see it, I think it's politics and $$ that's yielding some software companies to stand behind nvidia...we'll see when the benchmarks come out but from what i've seen, ati is faster on hl2, doom3, farcry, so unless some kind of miracle happens, ATI is gonna kick ass when the official releases of those games come out
 
Originally posted by Brent
there is more to come as well

i recently just reviewed a 5900XT and put it up against a 5700Ultra and 9600XT, and i used the new farcry research facility demo, this time i did a fraps manual run and graphed it, along with screenshots
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when is that review out? or where is it?

Request for Brent: Please can you pit a Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB in any new review against a 5900 NU and/or 5900XT because these are in the same price range (circa $200) and I really want to see how well these will perform head to head and especially when both are overclocked to decent speeds.
 
Originally posted by Leb_CRX
Doom3 is suppose to run better on Nvidia too
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If you look back, Nvidia has almost always dominated in the OpenGL titles on the market.....and I'm afraid that Doom3 will be no different.

Plz don't go spouting remarks that you THINK MIGHT be true before we're even close to seeing any cold hard facts about the REAL performance.

We're at the point where Far Cry is basically finished and I doubt there are going to be any major performance swings in anyones favor from here on in. However, the same doesn't quite hold true for Doom3 and HL2. It's hard to even look at the past (nvidias hold on OGL) for answers here because by the time either of these two awsome titles are out we'll most likely have the nv40 and r420 to play with. Both nvidia and ATI are doing so much with their hardware and drivers that it's going to be a whole new ball game when this new hardware hits the market. It's about time that we had some new video cards out there that are more then just product revisions, and I'm really looking forward to both cards releases.....just too see how things end up.

Expect to see me siding with the winner after this long feud comes to a close.....whichever side it may be. :cool:
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
If you look back, Nvidia has almost always dominated in the OpenGL titles on the market.....and I'm afraid that Doom3 will be no different.

Plz don't go spouting remarks that you THINK MIGHT be true before we're even close to seeing any cold hard facts about the REAL performance.

We're at the point where Far Cry is basically finished and I doubt there are going to be any major performance swings in anyones favor from here on in. However, the same doesn't quite hold true for Doom3 and HL2. It's hard to even look at the past (nvidias hold on OGL) for answers here because by the time either of these two awsome titles are out we'll most likely have the nv40 and r420 to play with. Both nvidia and ATI are doing so much with their hardware and drivers that it's going to be a whole new ball game when this new hardware hits the market. It's about time that we had some new video cards out there that are more then just product revisions, and I'm really looking forward to both cards releases.....just too see how things end up.

Expect to see me siding with the winner after this long feud comes to a close.....whichever side it may be. :cool:
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I wish I had the money for a 9800XT AND a next-gen card.
 
heh, I'm pretty sure twiwmtbp(I spelled that right didn't I o_O?) is pretty much a compatibility program. There are many definitions of runs bests. There is we have tested that it indeed runs out of a rather small lineup (S3 savage 4, S3 Virge, Riva 128, and the geforce fx series), could mean they bug checked for geforce fx only, but I believe in the end it is all marketing. After all what developer is willing to really exclude a huge chunk of the market?
 
i'm an ATI fan but i'm getting sick of the nvidia vs. ati brewhaha. originally what started all this is half-life 2 early benchmarks. but the part that made that so strong was that the FX's were UNPLAYABLE. that and did less with more than ATI does. i personally don't give a damn if there's a <5% difference in framerates. only if either card was UNPLAYABLE with a game then i'd bitch and moan. i also wish benchmarkers would use the exact same settings on both cards. you can't really compare them head to head when one's at 0xAA and the other is at 4xAA.

but that's just my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Leb_CRX
Doom3 is suppose to run better on Nvidia too...i'll believe it when I see it, I think it's politics and $$ that's yielding some software companies to stand behind nvidia...we'll see when the benchmarks come out but from what i've seen, ati is faster on hl2, doom3, farcry, so unless some kind of miracle happens, ATI is gonna kick ass when the official releases of those games come out
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get real, dumbfuck... even Carmack himself has said that 99% of the time Nvidia has the edge in doom 3. stop gasbagging about what you speculate and what you read off of the inquirer...

Similarly to most Unreal engine games, Nvidia has the edge in opengl, especially when it comes to raw fps.
 
Originally posted by KickAssCop
when is that review out? or where is it?

Request for Brent: Please can you pit a Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB in any new review against a 5900 NU and/or 5900XT because these are in the same price range (circa $200) and I really want to see how well these will perform head to head and especially when both are overclocked to decent speeds.
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its not published yet, its in the editting phase

thats an interesting idea, can you show me some places where the 9800pro is that cheap?
 
bah. people are gonna be fanboys because they want to justify to themselves that they didnt' blow X amount of money on X possible inferior product so they're going to justify it any way they have to.
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Plz don't go spouting remarks that you THINK MIGHT be true before we're even close to seeing any cold hard facts about the REAL performance.
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I am not thinking anything, I know this for a fact:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nzone_doom3_home.html


and I quote "NVIDIA is pleased to announce that id Software recommends the GeForce FX family of graphics processing units for DOOM 3. The rich feature set and programmability of GeForce FX GPUs enable the gripping world of DOOM 3 to come to life with real-time dynamic lighting and shadow, while raw horsepower delivers non-stop multi-player action at lightning-fast frame rates. Look for this sticker on video cards equipped with a GeForce FX GPU, and witness the mind-blowing detail of the DOOM 3 experience - the way it's meant to be played. "
 
Originally posted by Munka
get real, dumbfuck... even Carmack himself has said that 99% of the time Nvidia has the edge in doom 3. stop gasbagging about what you speculate and what you read off of the inquirer...

Similarly to most Unreal engine games, Nvidia has the edge in opengl, especially when it comes to raw fps.
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you're a knob and clearly know nothing if you look at simple benchmarks they show how big of an idiot you are...

that is all, and as for Carmark saying it runs better on Nvidia, I believe he's still quite pissed off about the ATI leak, or did we forget that

and you know what, you're just a moron who falls for the political schemes, benchmarks speak the truth and as far as Nvidia beating ATI cards in openGL, I think my pet dog poochie knows a whole let better then you. www.hardocp.com and look at some benchmarks faggit
 
Originally posted by Brent
its not published yet, its in the editting phase

thats an interesting idea, can you show me some places where the 9800pro is that cheap?
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BuyXG Example 9800 Pro @ 204 bucks

Newegg example has already been posted..

FX 5900 SE retails for around 175-200 $ depending on where you are buying from. I think a person can sure save 20 more and spend it on a 9800 Pro.

Similarly FX 5900 NU retails for $200-220 in some locations.

FX 5700 Ultra surprisingly retails at circa 170 bucks still o_O.

9600XT retails for around 145 bucks and hence should not be considered in a circa 200$ review IMO.

I hope you take these facts into consideration when showing best value for money to the user in a review since that is afterall what you are aiming at.
 
Originally posted by Leb_CRX
your a knob and clearly know nothing if you look at simple benchmarks they show how big of an idiot your are...

that is all, and as for Carmark saying it runs better on Nvidia, I believe he's still quite pissed off about the ATI leak, or did we forget that

and you know what, your just a moron who falls for the political schemes, benchmarks speak the truth and as far as Nvidia beating ATI cards in openGL, I think my pet dog poochie knows a whole let better then you. www.hardocp.com and look at some benchmarks faggit
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As in the review, it runs much better for me on my 9800XT vs. my 5900NU@5950. While not being a true 5950, it still gives me a pretty good idea about the performance. I dont know if I cant post beta pics here... since the beta is over.. ? I took 13 shots with each of the two cards in the same system in about the same spot. But dont want to get in trouble posting them.. :(
 
Originally posted by Helmut
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See my engrish? Deal with it, wrong or right, you dont like it, dont read it, you dont understand it, get a tutor, I dont give a fawkkk. I am not trying to impress you with my english, I am mearly trying to discuss video card performance.

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Originally posted by Leb_CRX
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rofl

Don't make snap judgements. nVidia has pretty much dominated in OpenGL. Don't be so quick to dismiss nv40 as it is "rumored" to have 16 rendering pipelines.
 
get real, dumbfuck... even Carmack himself has said that 99% of the time Nvidia has the edge in doom 3. stop gasbagging about what you speculate and what you read off of the inquirer...
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[Tattoo]Ze flame! ze flame![/Tattoo]

Look, Carmack's notes on the subject have been public for a long time, but I guess you dont recall correctly.

Allow me to summarize for you so that you do not make such statements in the future:

When running the standard full-precision OpenGL mode with all the goodies (ARB2), the R300 wins. I know that blows your thesis but it's true.

When running the NV30-specific codepath (FX12, FP16 and FP32 shaders) the NV30 beats the R300 (running the standard ARB2 rendering mode).

There is no R300 specific codepath, probably because the R300 runs the ARB2 (std. OGL) mode so well that it's redundant. There is a R200 codepath which runs slightly faster than ARB2 on the R300, but it doesn't look as good.

See here

The R200 path has a slight speed advantage over the ARB2 path on the R300, but only by a small margin, so it defaults to using the ARB2 path for the quality improvements. The NV30 runs the ARB2 path MUCH slower than the NV30 path. Half the speed at the moment. This is unfortunate, because when you do an exact, apples-to-apples comparison using exactly the same API, the R300 looks twice as fast, but when you use the vendor-specific paths, the NV30 wins.
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Originally posted by DaveX
rofl

Don't make snap judgements. nVidia has pretty much dominated in OpenGL. Don't be so quick to dismiss nv40 as it is "rumored" to have 16 rendering pipelines.
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fair enough, we'll see when the time comes :)
 
Until they come out with a COMPLETELY new chipset from scratch, im still going to associate their entire product line with the 5800 card that they released and tried to sell.

I don't trust that company right now.

PS...I think that carmack himself said in an interview a while back that nVidia cards were impossible to program for, and that he completely backs ATI's hardware for Doom3...but that WAS a while ago.
 
I love media hypes and gimics. They confuse the public and furthermore look like a-holes.
 
I wish I had the money for a 9800XT AND a next-gen card.
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Heh, me too. ;) :p

get real, dumbfuck... even Carmack himself has said that 99% of the time Nvidia has the edge in doom 3. stop gasbagging about what you speculate and what you read off of the inquirer...
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And maybe you should quite being so offensive and wait until we've actually got the game in our hands to test ourselves.....there's a thought. :rolleyes:

I can't count the number of times things have been over-hyped (hardware or software) and then not come through in the end.....or not turned out JUST how we thought they would. This is just like any other thing out there, you CANNOT make any serious judgement calls for or against either party (ATI or Nvidia) until the game is actually released.

That's not personal bias or rumor.....it's plain and simple fact.
 
the thing about doom3 is it uses almost no shaders, Most everything is fixed function rendering. so the achilles heal of the NV3x line doesn't really come into play.
 
Originally posted by Merlin45
the thing about doom3 is it uses almost no shaders, Most everything is fixed function rendering. so the achilles heal of the NV3x line doesn't really come into play.
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They call him Merlin because he magically appears in every nVidia/ATI argument...:D
 
the thing about doom3 is it uses almost no shaders, Most everything is fixed function rendering. so the achilles heal of the NV3x line doesn't really come into play.
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I thought they were going to be using fragment shaders extensively in D3.
 
I'll agree that the GFFX cards to perform nicer in OpenGL due (partially) to the fact that there is not DX9 coding envolved and they are able to bypass some of their "hold ups". Still, the performance in the final product is going to be up in the air until it is just that.....a final product.

We can assume all we want now but I just prefer to "stay out of it" until I know things aren't going to end up coming back in my face.
 
Originally posted by leukotriene
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I thought they were going to be using fragment shaders extensively in D3.
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yes, but that is almost the entire extent of the shaders, and for the nv30 codepath he uses the nv_fragment extension, and arb_fragment for ARB2, That is the biggest difference between the two, but even then he is only using shaders up to about the ps/vs 1.1 standard (which doesn't really apply in OGL, but that is the equivilant), nvidia's problems mostly appear in PS2.0. Finally most of the effects are fixed function and only require hardware T&L support. Also the mixed precision problem doesn't really show in Doom3 because it doesn't use that much precision.
 
Originally posted by dave343
So I pre-ordered my copy of Far cry today and whats inside but a card saying Farcry runs best with the Geforce FX cards. I feel like taking back my 9600XT for a 5900 or something.
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Just like UT2k3 and the Dawn Demo were 'meant for nvidia,' they still ran faster and looked better with ATI cards. Don't buy into the hype/bribes.

Oh yeah, you can do some searches and you'll see that ATI cards run FarCry faster than Nvidia ones.
 
Also the mixed precision problem doesn't really show in Doom3 because it doesn't use that much precision.
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Carmack has stated that the ARB2 path is "the best looking".
The difference between ARB2 and NV30 may be totally minimal or relatively substantial on the shipping product, no one can say.

That is the biggest difference between the two, but even then he is only using shaders up to about the ps/vs 1.1 standard (which doesn't really apply in OGL, but that is the equivilant
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Really? I could have sworn I read Carmack talking somewhere about 32/24/16 bit floating point precision shader effects in D3. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.
PS1.1 is INT16 as I recall, which would make any differences between the effects using the R200 and ARB2 codepaths essentially nil, which is not the case from what I've read.
 
Really? I could have sworn I read Carmack talking somewhere about 32/24/16 bit floating point precision shader effects in D3. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.
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He was talking about 32bit color and how it's really 24bit with the last 8 reserved for rendering passes. Whatever the hell that means...I'm just repeating it.

Also, carmack mentioned that FX cards ran DOOM3 better in January of 2003, this was before the leak. HardOCP and a few other sites benchmarked a demo in may 2003, and it was clearly shown that D3 runs better on FX cards. I don't understand what the brewhaha is all about. You people can't possibly be surprised can you?
 
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