F1 2010 coming this September

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its in the game, you access it via the OSD during the race (along with engine mix, etc.). on the 360 pad you can access it via the d-pad.
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Wait. How do I not know about this. I guess this is what I get for not looking at the Keyboard Controls version of the manual. I had no idea that W, E, and T did anything. Interesting that there isn't anything in the text about those options.
 
Seriously, you've never been involved in an 'incident'?

Afterwards, your spotter will say to you, "Mate, we believe that setting the wing to the upright position will eleviate some of the damage done to your car."

Then you have to wait for a long stretch so that you can make the adjustment without crashing.
 
WabeWalker said:
Seriously, you've never been involved in an 'incident'?

Afterwards, your spotter will say to you, "Mate, we believe that setting the wing to the upright position will eleviate some of the damage done to your car."

Then you have to wait for a long stretch so that you can make the adjustment without crashing.
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I hear that all the time, and I always thought - "Yeah, that would be a good idea, if only that was implemented in the game...jackass". Now I know that it was I who was the jackass.
 
How do you guys find time to run a weekend? Do you do one race weekend in a single sitting? It took me a full hour to do a few quick practice laps, a few quick qualifying laps, and then a 12 lap race (Melbourne). All of this on a fairly easy difficulty setting.

That's an hour. One race.

And, again, that's really only half a full weekend, since I only did enough practice and qualifying to hit my targets.

How long do you set aside to do a race weekend?
 
mellojoe said:
How do you guys find time to run a weekend? Do you do one race weekend in a single sitting? It took me a full hour to do a few quick practice laps, a few quick qualifying laps, and then a 12 lap race (Melbourne). All of this on a fairly easy difficulty setting.

That's an hour. One race.

And, again, that's really only half a full weekend, since I only did enough practice and qualifying to hit my targets.

How long do you set aside to do a race weekend?
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I do it over a couple of nights - I practice and qualify the first night, and then run the race the next, usually.
 
As a huge proponent of the flashback feature, I now have to eat my words.

At the highest difficulty setting, which I notched up to on my latest season, the game was no longer fun, since I was being pushed to the extreme, and was crashing at least once in every race. At Monaco I would crash during the first or second lap from trying to keep up. I realized last night that I had stopped playing this title, whereas before I found it a great way to relax at the end of the day.

I decided, what the hell, and maxed out my rewinds to 4. I have to a admit that it's made the game fun again. At the easier settings I wouldn't want the flashbacks, but at these settings it feels fair.
 
Forceman said:
I do it over a couple of nights - I practice and qualify the first night, and then run the race the next, usually.
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This has been one of my biggest gripes about sim racing, no save feature during a race. Geoff Crammond did it with his GP series so why no one else can do it? I hate having to start a race over because of some dumb AI car smacked into me from the rear and with a save option I could just start from my last save instead of either starting over from the beginning or accepting a DNF. With save you can run realistic length races too over a few nights, as it is now I can only sit for 50% real length max. Imagine being able to run 24hr Lemans at really 24 hours. All we need to do that is a goddamn save feature during a race.
 
Haste266 said:
Did a time trial @ Melbourne and recorded it with fraps. Anyone wanna try and beat the time? I'm always up for a challenge! :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmgk6wRqhm8&hd=1

Notice the OSD is gone in the video? When I restart a time trial from the ESC menu all the text and graphics for the OSD disappear. I wonder if this is an ATI thing or a codies problem? Anyone experience this also? I had to take a pic of the in-game menu time sheet to prove my time...



melbourne_fastlap.jpg
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damn 122 is a good time... i cant seem to break the 130 mark... gotta work on custom settings with the car setup i think
 
The flashback feature is a godsend when your going balls to the wall and you spin out in the gravel at Monza, or eat the wall at Monaco, on the last 5 laps in a 100% race.
 
AdamNesvick said:
The flashback feature is a godsend when your going balls to the wall and you spin out in the gravel at Monza, or eat the wall at Monaco, on the last 5 laps in a 100% race.
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Or you get a puncture right as you pass the pit entrance.
 
In the rain... and I mean pelting down rain... at Silverstone, playing on legendary, with the 360 controller, I used all 4 flashbacks. The 4'th time I used it I just said, thank god... thank god. It's a fine line between having fun and being needlessly frustrated.
 
In a real car, your body is an accelerometer that tells you when you are pushing too hard. In a computer game, you don't get that. Flashbacks are just a computer version of "you're pushing too hard" (try again).
 
How is the community for this game on the PC? I'm thinking about getting into PC racing (currently on 360) by getting an adapter to use my current MS wheel on my pc. I know this game has good support for it, as does Dirt 2/3. Achievements are neat but I'm looking for a good racer thats akin to say.. Forza.

I know Formula 1 is very different in nature but that core experience is what I'm looking for. If not F1, is there another game I should be looking at when referencing the Forza series? Wheel support?

Thanks!
 
At first the servers were dead, but last weekend (maybe on saturday morning) there were tons of people online. I finally was able to play in a game with a full grid! It seems like the trick is to join a server and if there are only 1 or 2 others in there, go back to the lobby and try again. Its worked every time so far. I would join a server with 2 people, go back to the lobby, try again, and suddenly there would be 7 or 8 people in the room. Then another 2 or 3 would join and the game would start. I'm sure this is due to bugs with the game's multiplayer code.

theNoid, I think that rfactor would be exactly what you are looking for, though I would hold off until rfactor 2 comes out (supposedly by the end of the year). You might like the Simbin titles (Race 07 and its expansions), they have package deals on steam.
 
redman223 said:
At first the servers were dead, but last weekend (maybe on saturday morning) there were tons of people online. I finally was able to play in a game with a full grid! It seems like the trick is to join a server and if there are only 1 or 2 others in there, go back to the lobby and try again. Its worked every time so far. I would join a server with 2 people, go back to the lobby, try again, and suddenly there would be 7 or 8 people in the room. Then another 2 or 3 would join and the game would start. I'm sure this is due to bugs with the game's multiplayer code.

theNoid, I think that rfactor would be exactly what you are looking for, though I would hold off until rfactor 2 comes out (supposedly by the end of the year). You might like the Simbin titles (Race 07 and its expansions), they have package deals on steam.
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Thanks I'll look into the rFactor series!
 
If you enjoy grinding through a single player career mode ala Forza (which admittedly I did on the first Forza ;)) then you probably wont like PC sims. If you enjoyed Forza for its physics, then you'll probably like PC sims (once you get used to them).
 
Tudz said:
If you enjoy grinding through a single player career mode ala Forza (which admittedly I did on the first Forza ;)) then you probably wont like PC sims. If you enjoyed Forza for its physics, then you'll probably like PC sims (once you get used to them).
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I'm nearing the end of my Forza 3 career grind. Its quite the grind and not exactly what draws me in. The reasons for completely career are sadly to get some achievements lol. When I have the chance to get them, I go for them.. but they are not important when having fun with games.

Forza's overall polish is quite good and I only used it as a reference since I have zero experience with PC racing sims. I have to admit I prefer more modern looking sims, F1 seemed as much. The thing I like most about say Forza when compared to other racing games was the amount of cars I could buy, customize, upgrade, auction house and solid online with a large community.

My 360 is now in my living room and I have no way to hookup my wheel out there. I had thought about buying a wheel stand pro but I'd rather not have to spend that much money ($140~). I'd much prefer buy the ms wireless gaming reciever, hook my wheel to my pc and play some support PC sims. I figured that F1 and Dirt 2/3 being GFWL they would have good wheel support but I'm open to anything really.
 
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After finishing my exams I decided to get back into this game and have found it gives me a headache to play for any length of time. Anyone else experience this? I've played a lot of racing games and always play from cockpit view and this is the first one that gives me a headache.

Not sure if it has something to do with the FOV, cockpit vibration, too much HDR/bloom or what... it doesn't happen instantly, but after about an hour of playing F1 2010 I'll start to get a headache and even after walking away from the game another half hour later it'll be a really splitting headache to the point where I need to take some pain killers.

I occasionally get migraines, but I've never traced any of them back to a particular game like this.
 
Tudz said:
After finishing my exams I decided to get back into this game and have found it gives me a headache to play for any length of time. Anyone else experience this? I've played a lot of racing games and always play from cockpit view and this is the first one that gives me a headache.

Not sure if it has something to do with the FOV, cockpit vibration, too much HDR/bloom or what... it doesn't happen instantly, but after about an hour of playing F1 2010 I'll start to get a headache and even after walking away from the game another half hour later it'll be a really splitting headache to the point where I need to take some pain killers.

I occasionally get migraines, but I've never traced any of them back to a particular game like this.
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Not me. I play cockpit view as well, for hours on end, havent experienced any issues.
 
I just played a bit more then... my head's still a bit sore from last time I played so figured it was a good opportunity to see what I'm sensitive to in the game.

It seems to be the shear amount of track vibration when in cockpit view. This seems to be what's causing my headaches. The vibration isn't there in bumper cam or "above head" view... though I dont really like these angles. Bumper cam is way too low and the above driver view makes me feel like I'm driving a very fast minivan.

Checked Live for Speed and it doesn't have nearly as much vibration when in cockpit cam even in the F1 car. There's a bit of vibration when going over rumble strips, but nothing like F1 2010 where the camera is constantly shaking.

Also checked GTR Evo/RACE. Again, the track doesn't vibrate in this game. The COCKPIT itself vibrates, but the track doesn't. I remember when I first played GTR I thought it was weird how the cockpit vibrated... maybe this is why? F1 2010 is the opposite... the cockpit is stationary and the track vibrates. Its easier on the eyes for the cockpit to vibrate to simulate motion than the track vibrating.

So it seems other racing sims dont have the violent high frequency track vibration that this game has, hence why I've never had issues with headaches in them.

Also, I deleted the post processing files in order to remove HDR...


WOW!!!!!! The game looks so much nicer now. Why the fuck do devs go to all the trouble of making some awesome realistic looking graphics and textures to hide them behind these disgusting filters. I might post a screenshot later for you guys to see... its night and day to me, the game looks so much nicer now.
 
that does look quite a bit different Tudz. thanks for sharing the screenshots. i dont have a problem with the default settings though, so i doubt ill mess with it.
 
Yeah, tastes in lighting effects do vary. I noticed on VirtualR someone has released a more realistic lighting mod similar to the pics I posted above (I simply deleted a bunch of post processing files, this guy actually went through and modified the track's lighting files).

Just depends what you like, I tend to prefer the more natural and realistic lighting, back when everyone was modding Crysis config files I thought 95% of them looks crap compared to the default lighting because they were so much more unnatural, but so many other people liked them.
 
How did you remove the filters?

That filter makes this engine seem muted and fuzzy. The original Dirt was very fuzzy indeed.
 
WabeWalker said:
How did you remove the filters?

That filter makes this engine seem muted and fuzzy. The original Dirt was very fuzzy indeed.
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Personally I did it using this method...

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-technical-help-1343/430575-hdr.html

Initially this actually made performance really bad, but I turned the post processing quality up and down in game and restarted it and now I'm back to a solid 60fps without the filters (GTX460 768mb running at 1680x1050).

But there's mods that do a similar thing, I haven't personally tried it, but this one looks like it might be good...

http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2010-track-lighting-2-0-mod-released/

There's some screenshots of it here...

http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2010-track-lighting-mod-0-1-released/

I personally haven't tried those... I just deleted the "type" xml files as outlined in the first link and it runs fine now so I wont bother fiddling around with it more. Apparently deleting these files removes other effects but I haven't really noticed anything, rain effects still look good. Haven't tested it on a night track though to test if the lighting still works.

Just to cover myself: Do these things at your own risk, back stuff up and I'm not responsible if you break your game or computer :p
 
Race Department has a bunch of mods for this game, but I haven't tried any of them yet.
 
Yeah I'm really not into mods. That's probably why I never got into rFactor. How much I enjoy a game is often negatively proportional to how much I have to fuck around with mods and settings :p Not the only criteria for my enjoyment of course, but if I spend half my time with mods and settings and half my time playing, you can guarantee I wont be getting "immersed" while playing.

Mostly I disabled the HDR and filters to see if that was causing my headaches then found out it actually looks a lot better in my eyes with all that stuff switched off.
 
I'm afraid to delete those files. I was halfway through season 3 when my save file got corrupted. I had to start all over. I don't want to touch anything right now. I'm probably just being paranoid.

Sure is a fun game though. I seem to have found a set of settings that make the game challenging, yet fun - all assists off, and AI set to Legendary. I need to disable tire simulation though. The game is no fun for me with that setting enabled because the AI simply blows past me - it's like I can't steer anymore.

I've also maxed out the flashbacks. At these settings I pretty much have to go flat out and hit every apex right on the nose just to stay in the order. The flashbacks, which I originally wouldn't touch, have become a real godsend. They can turn a frustrating evening into an enjoyable one. Usually I end up using all 4 of them anyhow.

Tracks that are causing me problems are Korea, Suzuka, Silverstone, and Singapore. I won once at Korea, but it was a fluke. In Korea I pitted in one lap after I was told to, and somehow I came out ahead. Have you guys learned never to pit when the AI is pitting?

As far as Monaco is concerned, I usually just deliberately run my car into a wall to end the race (how do you properly choose to retire from a race?). Usually by the third lap I'll have used up all my flashbacks. The AI is just too fast for me there. It's kind of over the top.
 
WabeWalker said:
I'm afraid to delete those files. I was halfway through season 3 when my save file got corrupted. I had to start all over. I don't want to touch anything right now. I'm probably just being paranoid.

Sure is a fun game though. I seem to have found a set of settings that make the game challenging, yet fun - all assists off, and AI set to Legendary. I need to disable tire simulation though. The game is no fun for me with that setting enabled because the AI simply blows past me - it's like I can't steer anymore.

I've also maxed out the flashbacks. At these settings I pretty much have to go flat out and hit every apex right on the nose just to stay in the order. The flashbacks, which I originally wouldn't touch, have become a real godsend. They can turn a frustrating evening into an enjoyable one. Usually I end up using all 4 of them anyhow.

Tracks that are causing me problems are Korea, Suzuka, Silverstone, and Singapore. I won once at Korea, but it was a fluke. In Korea I pitted in one lap after I was told to, and somehow I came out ahead. Have you guys learned never to pit when the AI is pitting?

As far as Monaco is concerned, I usually just deliberately run my car into a wall to end the race (how do you properly choose to retire from a race?). Usually by the third lap I'll have used up all my flashbacks. The AI is just too fast for me there. It's kind of over the top.
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Yeah I can understand your apprehension to deleting those files. I just made a backup of the folder, deleted the files and it worked fine, no loss of data. I'm only half way through the first season though, so dont really have anything to lose given the game was becoming unplayable. All I can say is it worked fine for me, but that's no guarantee it'll work fine for you.

I still hate pitting. The past few races I managed pole in the Lotus which I was pretty happy with achieving given the AI is on the 2nd to hardest difficulty level and all other settings are on their hardest... only to pit and come out anywhere from a few places down the field to near the bottom of the field.

Last race I just finished was Spa, I love that track, know it back to front in GTR1/2. Without much practice got pole (though it was raining and the AI sucks at qualifying in the rain). Then by rights I should have won the race, was consistently faster than everyone else, opened up a 4 second gap on Alonso who was in 2nd... pitted the lap after Alonso and reappeared about 3 seconds behind him. Fought my way back to within 1 second and almost had him on the last corner of the last lap but he just snuck through and I came 2nd.

I didn't think that was a bad effort in a Lotus on my 1st season with AI on professional and everything else on its hardest setting, I really want an offer from a faster team for next season though... this Lotus is killing me, so hard to stay competitive.

I agree with you on Monaco... I didn't even try to be competitive, crashed after about 4 laps with no flashbacks available and just gave up and retired, lol.
 
As far as I can tell, your final opportunity to accept an offer from a new team is after Korea. When you finish the race in Brazil, you return to the menu and your agent informs you that all offers have been withdrawn. So make sure to accept the best offer after your race in Korea.

On my first season I accepted an offer from Renault, and considerably improved my ride.
 
WabeWalker said:
As far as I can tell, your final opportunity to accept an offer from a new team is after Korea. When you finish the race in Brazil, you return to the menu and your agent informs you that all offers have been withdrawn. So make sure to accept the best offer after your race in Korea.

On my first season I accepted an offer from Renault, and considerably improved my ride.
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Really? Hmm. Do you get offered a place from the team of your rival if you're beating them? In my first season Massa performed pretty average so I got to pick him as a rival, so I'm ignoring all my other offers and working my arse off trying to beat Massa instead... if I beat him will I get an offer from Ferrari?

On another note, I won my first race!!! YAAAAY! AI on pro, everything else set to it's hardest level and I won Monza. Monza is another track I'm familiar with from GTR Evo, so after the practice sessions I was pulling qualifying laps half a second faster than the Red Bulls, the McLarens and the Ferraris using my lowly little Lotus even though they were so much faster than me on the straights. The game really builds you up for the wins, this is my first win and it's so exciting!
 
You won't get offers from teams until you rach an appropriate level. Red Bull, Ferrari, and McClaren are impossible to reach in your first season. Even Mercedes is tough to get in season one.
 
Ah ok, damn, I wanted to race in a Ferrari :p So sick of everyone passing me in this slow Lotus, lol.

So for next season, do you reckon its best to stay with Lotus, move to Force India, Sauber, Williams, Toro Rosso, HRT or Virgin? Lotus is currently the highest in the constructors thanks to me getting a nice bundle of points in a few races, and getting lucky with tyre choice in another one ;) But my team mate, Trulli, can barely get a 20th place and the offer from Lotus isn't as good as the ones from Force India, Sauber and Williams.

Do you normally go for the team that offers you more money, or the one ranked higher in the constructors? Williams and Sauber require a higher level and are offering more money, but Force India is ranked higher in the constructors.

As a side, does anyone else find qualifying a million times easier than the actual race? I can normally qualify on the front 2 rows or get pole if I know the track or actually use the practice sessions fully... yet actually finishing the race with any points is a struggle.
 
I may be mistaken, but I believe the requisite level for each team is dependent on how long your career is.

If you're involved in a three season career then select Force India out of the gate. Aim for Mercedes for your second season - you'll have to do really well though.
 
I've discovered the value of adjusting the front wing each lap. It really makes a huge difference to increase stability and turn in when the front wing is up, so you can tune a really low, near uncontrollable, downforce for the high speed sections, then just whack the wing up for the low speed.

This is a huge advantage in Korea where you have the 3 high speed straights one after the other, then just set the wing up at the end of the last straight.

I'm trying to set a macro to change wing, its easy to set a keyboard macro but unfortunately my keyboard is awkward to reach when the wheel is set up. Its possible to set macros on the G25 as well but for some reason its not working, so I'm just getting used to pressing left left up and left left down on the G25 D-pad while driving :p
 
WabeWalker said:
I may be mistaken, but I believe the requisite level for each team is dependent on how long your career is.

If you're involved in a three season career then select Force India out of the gate. Aim for Mercedes for your second season - you'll have to do really well though.
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I held out on any offers until after Korea, glad I did because Ferrari did give me an offer despite my low reputation ;) Not sure if Lotus has gotten better or I've gotten better but the past couple of races have been pretty easy. Been in the top 10 in practice, but then somehow get pole in qualifying then managed wins in Spa and Monza with top 3 finishes in Suzuka and Korea... compared to earlier in the season where I was struggling to even break the top half of the field.
 
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What season are you on - I thought this was your first season? What's your driver level? To get an offer from Ferrari in your first season isn't even possible, unless I'm missing something here?
 
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