Every 24" LCD Negative?

[Serpico]

No problem!

 

[Gravestone Doji]

As for old 24"PVA vs new 24"PVA for office use, I would definitely choose newer ones. Old PVAs had excessive and poorly regulated brigtness. Newer ones have lower brightness and higher contrast ratio. The Dell 2407-HC (or even a fancy 2408) is a good choice.

Umm... Umm... When comparing the older 244T to the newer 245T, which is what my original question was regarding, (I didn't ask about any comparisons to Dell) The Brightness is shown to be @ 500 cd/m2 and the Contrast is rated @1,000:1 for BOTH monitors.

 

[albovin]

Umm... Umm... When comparing the older 244T to the newer 245T, which is what my original question was regarding, (I didn't ask about any comparisons to Dell) The Brightness is shown to be @ 500 cd/m2 and the Contrast is rated @1,000:1 for BOTH monitors.

Maxmal measured brightness for 245T according to different tests is about 350cd/m2, minimal is about 110 cd/m2 - that is important. The Dell 2408 has similar figures but with amazingly high contrast at low brightness. Measurements may vary slightly from one laboratory to another.
For older monitors (Dell 2707 (not HC!), especially blinding Gateway 2485 - sorry, I have no data for 244T handy) minimal brightness did not go less than about 180cd/m2 or higher - unacceptable.
Same about the contrast ratio - the reality is different from what is on paper.
Newer monitors are more eye-friendly.

 

[Gravestone Doji]

Interesting info; Mind telling me where you got these maximal/minimal measured brightness numbers from these "different tests" ? And you have nothing to disprove that the 244t also conforms to these maximal/minimal measured brightness numbers of the 245t?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting your info and I appreciate the help. I certainly don't want some super-duper bright 24" monitor. I want one to use for office applications, displaying spreadsheets, stock charts, etc. I have a three older Samsung 940t models that I use now that I feel are quite good with clear text and simple to use, while not being real bright. I'd like for whatever 24" monitor I end up with to closely match the brightness of the 940t models as I plan to use all of them, including a couple 17" monitors flipped sideways, in a multi-monitor configuration like THIS.

So from what you're saying, I reckon that despite the numbers shown in the links I posted for the 245t and 244t being of identical brightness, that those numbers are incorrect or misleading at best and can't be taken at face value?

 

[ohlmsjm]

So, I've been reading the Display forum for a while and have gone back and forth through all the 24" monitors that people have posted on here (since I'm in the market to buy one) and I've come to one conclusion. Everyone seems to have a bad review on the monitors they have and either they have sent them back, or bleed to much, or don't have the right gamma settings, or they are too green...

Don't feel too bad ben chi(f4), it looks like the 24" monitor market just hasn't really produced any clearly defining winners within a decent price range. Based upon some of the reviews written, the NEC 2490WUXi is (imho) as close to perfection as you're going to get, but it's going to cost you.

 

[Serpico]

Based upon some of the reviews written, the NEC 2490WUXi is (imho) as close to perfection as you're going to get, but it's going to cost you.

Unfortunately it is true. It is the one LCD that made me abandon my CRTs and it cost me a pretty penny.

 

[10e]

Well,

There are some good monitors out there, it just depends on your use.

Fast gamer panel:

The BenQ G2400W is a good monitor. I don't care about response time, but input lag is non-existent, and even with magnification, I challenge anyone here to find banding or FRC blinking/pixel squirm on this monitor. Out-of-the-box color calibration is excellent for a TN panel. Not too bright, not too dark. Most balanced TN panel I've seen without resorting to BS marketing like dynamic contrast and G2G deflated response times.

If you can find it the LG L245/6WP is a good all-arounder. Nice panel, very functional VGA, and good component with minimal overscan and good de-interlacing.

The BenQ FP241W built June 2007 or later is still the benchmark multi-functional monitor, with digital and analog connections. Full aspect ratio handling and overscan on/off make it customizable for almost anything. OSD is slow. I have the VW and I'm quite happy with it except the ugly and poorly designed stand.

Samsung 245T is nice, but a bit high on the input lag. Gorgeous panel. Not sure how it handles HD content over video type connectors, as I've heard it can have some issues with 16:9 or 4:3 content.

Westinghouse L2410NM (m-va) is also a bit laggy (50ms) but handles HD content phenomenally, and is cheap right now. De-interlaces 1080i better than most TVs and scales up resolutions to 1080 extremely well. Just get an extended warranty.

Gateway FHD2400 looks good, but just turn brightness down to 0 as soon as you take it out of the box or the backlight bleed will get progressively worse.

NEC LCD2490Wuxi. Best of the bunch if you are willing to spend the money. At least you know the minimum you will have it is 4 years due to the extended warranty. Probably the best pro-sumer level display out there. Two DVI and one VGA should enable most uses. There is nothing glaringly wrong with this display except it costs.

Dell 2407WFP-HC or 2408. I'd actually prefer the 2407, but the 2408 will mature into a better screen very soon, with following revisions.


There is no perfect monitor, but there are some which fulfill their niche quite nicely. You just have to research the he11 out of them and figure out what it is you want.

Hope that helps,

10e

 

[albovin]

So from what you're saying, I reckon that despite the numbers shown in the links I posted for the 245t and 244t being of identical brightness, that those numbers are incorrect or misleading at best and can't be taken at face value?

those numbers are incorrect or misleading

Exactly. That is just a reflection of what munufacturers publish in their ads.

Mind telling me where you got these maximal/minimal measured brightness numbers from these "different tests" ?

No problem. The links you posted contain further links to those "different tests".

 

[Serpico]

Well,

There are some good monitors out there, it just depends on your use.

Fast gamer panel:

The BenQ G2400W is a good monitor. I don't care about response time, but input lag is non-existent, and even with magnification, I challenge anyone here to find banding or FRC blinking/pixel squirm on this monitor. Out-of-the-box color calibration is excellent for a TN panel. Not too bright, not too dark. Most balanced TN panel I've seen without resorting to BS marketing like dynamic contrast and G2G deflated response times.

If you can find it the LG L245/6WP is a good all-arounder. Nice panel, very functional VGA, and good component with minimal overscan and good de-interlacing.

The BenQ FP241W built June 2007 or later is still the benchmark multi-functional monitor, with digital and analog connections. Full aspect ratio handling and overscan on/off make it customizable for almost anything. OSD is slow. I have the VW and I'm quite happy with it except the ugly and poorly designed stand.

Samsung 245T is nice, but a bit high on the input lag. Gorgeous panel. Not sure how it handles HD content over video type connectors, as I've heard it can have some issues with 16:9 or 4:3 content.

Westinghouse L2410NM (m-va) is also a bit laggy (50ms) but handles HD content phenomenally, and is cheap right now. De-interlaces 1080i better than most TVs and scales up resolutions to 1080 extremely well. Just get an extended warranty.

Gateway FHD2400 looks good, but just turn brightness down to 0 as soon as you take it out of the box or the backlight bleed will get progressively worse.

NEC LCD2490Wuxi. Best of the bunch if you are willing to spend the money. At least you know the minimum you will have it is 4 years due to the extended warranty. Probably the best pro-sumer level display out there. Two DVI and one VGA should enable most uses. There is nothing glaringly wrong with this display except it costs.

Dell 2407WFP-HC or 2408. I'd actually prefer the 2407, but the 2408 will mature into a better screen very soon, with following revisions.


There is no perfect monitor, but there are some which fulfill their niche quite nicely. You just have to research the he11 out of them and figure out what it is you want.

Hope that helps,

10e

Excellent summarization.

 

[albovin]

Excellent summarization.

Agree with some exceptions. Wouldn't argue much about the BenQ 241W - no decent tests (but it has blackout ussue and excluded from all nominations).
But "all-rounder LG 245" - it's a joke.

 

[Serpico]

Well, I'm taking his word for it at this point now, aren't I? I haven't seen the BenQ G2400W before, I have never ever seen a TN without immediately apparent dithering or banding, but I'll take his word for it until I see one myself.

 

[(cf)Eclipse]

But "all-rounder LG 245" - it's a joke.

please do explain why you feel this way

i have the L246WP, which is more or less the same thing as the 245, and it really is an excellent monitor.

 

[berndawg3]

I have the Westy L2410NM and I don't even notice the lag, and value of it for $330 after tax was wonderful

 

[albovin]

please do explain why you feel this way

i have the L246WP, which is more or less the same thing as the 245, and it really is an excellent monitor.

To be "all-rounder" (I mean good at everything, universal) a monitor must have:
1. Photo quality picture or simply "CRT-like" quality picture (LG 245/246 has *VA panel, suffers from colorshift and limited viewing angles).
2. Minimum of two digital inputs (to support a quality multimedia device and a quality PC connection at the same time) with proper Full HD support ( LG245/246 has just one digital input - even worse - in the form of HDMI - likely to have overscan issue, no evidence of 1080p proper support, no real scaling - 1:1 and Fill only, some reports state that even Aspect is missing(?) - unbelievable but I did not check).
3. Equipment to minimize eyestrain (autobrightness and comfortable range of brightness settings, legible dot pitch, ergonomics). LG 245/246 covers this to some extent.
4. Responsiveness for multimedia use. LG 245/246 has no problem with this.
General addition - disgracing review on xbitlabs.com.
It's not suprising that there is no trace of LG245/246 in recomended monitors list.

All-rounder is a high rank.
A particular monitor may please a prticular user very well. For example, I still love my old 20" Sony. Why not love your LG246?
But being all-rounder is a different story. It's out of the question for the LG245/246.

 

[mickey4paws]

General addition - disgracing review on xbitlabs.com.

I personally don't give much weight, if any, to that review. The reviewer was using Fortemanager to calibrate, which IMO is a poor program for proper calibration.

My LG 246WP has none of the issues the reviewer spoke of.

Albovin, just curious, but how long did you have your LG 246WP? What did you use to calibrate it?

 

[albovin]

I personally don't give much weight, if any, to that review. The reviewer was using Fortemanager to calibrate, which IMO is a poor program for proper calibration.

My LG 246WP has none of the issues the reviewer spoke of.

Albovin, just curious, but how long did you have your LG 246WP? What did you use to calibrate it?

I did not have it.
Well, we can disregard that review.
From #1 to #4, it's very clear what limitations it has by design. It may be not bad up to those limitations.

 

[Michaelius]

I have heard LG is introducing new version of 245/246 with new generation of S-IPS now this might turn into holy grail of 24" monitors

To be "all-rounder" a monitor must have:
1. Photo quality picture or simply "CRT-like" quality picture (LG 245/246 has *VA panel, suffers from colorshift and limited viewing angles).
2. Minimum of two digital inputs (to support a quality multimedia device and a quality PC connection at the same time) with proper Full HD support ( LG245/246 has just one digital input - even worse - in the form of HDMI - likely to have overscan issue, no evidence of 1080p proper support, no real scaling - 1:1 and Fill only, some reports state that even Aspect is missing(?) - unbelievable but I did not check).
3. Equipment to minimize eyestrain (autobrightness and comfortable range of brightness settings, legible dot pitch, ergonomics). LG 245/246 covers this to some extent.
4. Responsiveness for multimedia use. LG 245/246 has no problem with this.
General addition - disgracing review on xbitlabs.com.
It's not suprising that there is no trace of LG245/246 in recomended monitors list.

All-rounder is a high rank.
A particular monitor may please a prticular user very well. For example, I still love my old 20" Sony. Why not love your LG246?
But being all-rounder is a different story. It's out of the question for the LG245/246.

What you describe isn't even met by Eizos in all 4 points and if something comes close it should be noted as ultra high quality LCD not all-rounder

Ad1. Angles are good enough for almost everyone (well i prefer to watch my monitor from front of my desk not sitting almost 90 degrees to the side, below it or floating two meters above it but I guess i might be exception here ) Also for most people they don't need ultra precise colors.
Ad2. I never needed more than 1 DVI, for other multimedia devices like consoles they invented those 40" TVs with Full HD
Ad3. ok
Ad4. ok

However there is recomendation for it in prad.de forums:
http://www.prad.de/board/index.php

 

[farfromhome]

I have heard LG is introducing new version of 245/246 with new generation of S-IPS now this might turn into holy grail of 24" monitors

I'll believe it when I see it. It seems more common these days to stuff TN panels into former VA's then to make them into IPS's (which would probably double the price).

 

[Dainas]

Xbits labs review its like they were talking about an entirely different monitor from a horror story. Theres is NOTHING REMOTE to the stated brightness problems on my L245WP! The only negative about this panel in relation to its pricepoint is only having one digital input.

 

[albovin]

What you describe isn't even met by Eizos in all 4 points and if something comes close it should be noted as ultra high quality LCD not all-rounder

Eizos never cover all four. They are PVA monitors with colorshift and limited viewing angles as regular Samsungs or Dells. Best of them are very well equipped and cover #2, #3(completely!) and #4. They are expected to have somewhat better production quality. Terribly overpriced.

In 24" we have only one all-rounder (**I mean good for everything, universal) - the NEC 2490WUXi covers all 4 easily. BTW it can be found for $1030 now.

In 26" all-rounders(**) we have the NEC 2690WUXi, almost there is the new DoubleSight DS-263N .
Nothing in 27-28".
In 30" all-rounders(**) a place is reserved (so far) for the NEC 3090WQXi.
Closest candidate is the Dell 3008 (HD issue still to be clarified).
So... they are not many but there is a choice!

Ad1. Angles are good enough for almost everyone (well i prefer to watch my monitor from front of my desk not sitting almost 90 degrees to the side, below it or floating two meters above it but I guess i might be exception here ) Also for most people they don't need ultra precise colors.
Ad2. I never needed more than 1 DVI, for other multimedia devices like consoles they invented those 40" TVs with Full HD

Yes. Agree. That is what I am saying. Most people don't need all-rounders (**).

well i prefer to watch my monitor from front of my desk not sitting almost 90 degrees to the side, below it or floating two meters above it but I guess i might be exception here

I like your joke. But this is a very sad joke as the worst thing about *VA is that you actually have to look from an angle to see what you really have on your screen.

 

[tsuehpsyde]

albovin, I have to ask, have you ever even used the L246WP? The comment about limited viewing angles is, well, completely wrong? This thing has a very, very wide array of viewing angles, none of which degrade the image quality at all. You might want to look at the TN panels about that, but I can assure you, that is not the case on here. Mark has some pictures to show this, as well.

And this isn't a PVA, it's an MVA panel, btw.

MVA (Multidomain Vertical Alignment)
- compromise between TN and IPS technologies
- superior color reproduction over TN but not as good as IPS
- very good viewing angles but less than IPS
- higher contrast than TN or S-IPS means very good blacks
- dead pixels are black
- slower pixel response than TN or IPS
- details can be lost when directly viewing dark areas

MVA / P-MVA / PVA / S-PVA Compromise for All-Around Use
These panels are a compromise between the fast pixel response times of the TN panel and the excellent color reproduction of the IPS panels. Contrast and blacks are best of all the panel types. Viewing angles are similar but slightly inferior to IPS.

How is that not "all around" use? Sounds like all around use to you is top of the line?

 

[Serpico]

How is that not "all around" use? Sounds like all around use to you is top of the line?

HAH!

 

[Ahriman4891]

How is that not "all around" use? Sounds like all around use to you is top of the line?

I suspect albovin's first language is not English. When he says "all-rounder" he means "good at everything", while English speakers mean "average at everything".

well i prefer to watch my monitor from front of my desk not sitting almost 90 degrees to the side, below it or floating two meters above it but I guess i might be exception here

I really hate to quote myself, but:

If you are sitting in front of the screen's center, you are viewing screen edges at an angle

Amazing that some people don't get this simple concept. It gets worse as screen size goes up, too.

 

[albovin]

albovin, I have to ask, have you ever even used the L246WP?

No. I've had many similar PVA monitors.

And this isn't a PVA, it's an MVA panel, btw.

Same thing. PVA is slightly improved MVA - deeper black and better contrast. Both are *VA anyway.

MVA / P-MVA / PVA / S-PVA Compromise for All-Around Use

Is it from Bible?
Here is another page: "First of all, lateral viewing angles with IPS technology are by far the best. Next usually come monitors with TN panels. In the past (more than 2 years ago), TNs were rather catastrophic from the side angles. Now, it is possible for several people to share a screen, even if they aren’t perfectly in front of it. Finally, we have the PVAs and MVAs, which are more or less equivalent. Beyond 40° from both sides, there is a loss of contrast, which however isn’t too extreme."

Yes, *VA is a compromise for all-around use. As a simple explanation for zero beginners - that's OK. But we are talking about all-around use. Not about compromised all-around use. There may be endless compromises. Isn't the BenQ 2400 (24" TN) a compromise?
So I am talking about true all-arounders and support this with four MUSTs for them.

*VA Colorshift Diagram.

A real image to illustrate the diagram. Three identical turtles look different on the same screen due to different angles.
Note: turtle #3 is still in black crush zone, #1 nears washout zone. (Dell 2707)

Viewing angles are similar but slightly inferior to IPS

OMG! Please look at *VA viewing angles.

H-IPS viewing angles. (NEC 2490WUXi)

Colorshift on *VA. You can't see the picture unless you look from an angle. (Gateway 2485)

One of our friends in this topic prefers to seat in front of his *VA.
Well, let's watch a movie. It looks like we have "more movie" when looking from a side at 8VA monitor.

Colorshift on a picture in process.

Etc., etc..

How is that not "all around" use? Sounds like all around use to you is top of the line?

Hmm, after what we have just seen...

 

[albovin]

I suspect albovin's first language is not English. When he says "all-rounder" he means "good at everything", while English speakers mean "average at everything".

Yes, thank you!
I will say "universal" - less tricky.

 

[tsuehpsyde]

OMG! Please look at *VA viewing angles.

If you want, I can take a picture of my screen at that angle. It most definitely does not do that.

 

[Ahriman4891]

One of our friends in this topic prefers to seat in front of his *VA.
Well, let's watch a movie. It looks like we have "more movie" when looking from a side at 8VA monitor.

albovin, I don't think people with *VA monitors will appreciate this video They'll just rant about how you can't use youtube to measure anything since its quality sucks.

(IPS here , video works for me as intended).

 

[mickey4paws]

I don't care about the YouTube video since it absolutely does not reflect how my monitor handles video at all and I have an MVA panel. I've never seen it shift color like that.

 

[farfromhome]

It's all rather pointless squabbling anyway. I don't think anybody claimed that *VA was better than IPS. Just because IPS is better overall does not make *VA a turd though. There are variable quality panels of every type, and there's no doubt that some *VA panels are quite bad with color/gamma shift at angles. Most are not nearly as bad as that video though; mine for example has a slight gamma shift at angles, and no color shift whatsoever. I could get an old TFT with 20 dead pixels and put it up on YouTube, it wouldn't mean that every LCD panel had tons of dead pixels and that we should all go back to CRT, would it?

The colors in a VA panel, however, are much more intense and true than a TN panel, and some TN panels have even more trouble with wide viewing angles than bad *VA panels. So overall it's a big gain from TN. There is no doubt that IPS is better. There is also no doubt that IPS is much more expensive. Try finding a new-in-box IPS 24" monitor for $400 or below, even on sale. It's a matter of personal preference, but I'll take a 24" VA monitor over a 20" IPS monitor any day. So *VA does indeed make a good middle-of-the-road monitor: much better color reproduction than a TN panel, but still with some viewing angle problems (though not nearly as bad as has been made out here in general), but much cheaper than an IPS with even better color reproduction and no viewing angle problems.

 

[10e]

Funny enough I've tested 5 BenQ FP241W/VW monitors and I've never seen the blackout issue. I've seen all sorts of other problems but not that. I'll summarize why I'm finally on the fifth in my long journey through the BenQ turnstyle:

1) FP241W - Overscan on HDMI and component of 5% + incorrect 1920x1080 sizing with 360. 1920x1080 sizing on VGA and DVI worked perfectly. No dead pixels - April 2007 build - returned
2) FP241VW - March 2007 build date x2 - Dead subpixels on 1, none on the other, but same issues as #1
3) FP241VW - December 2007 build date x2 - First had stuck pixels, unrepairable, returned and replaced with new Dec.07 build with no stuck pixels. Works great, and calibration removed some of the Green push. horizontal viewing angles some of the best I've sen for a *-MVA type panel (A-MVA from AUO apparently).
4) BenQ G2400W - September 2007 build date - Small issue with DVI returning from power save, one dead subpixel (green) top left corner. Wanted to exchange, but Tiger Direct did not have one so I ended up just returning it. Viewing angles were ok vertically from slightly above centre and had excellent out-of-box colour calibration on sRGB.

For the LG it is a decent all rounder in the sense that it works fairly well over component, and very well over HDMI and VGA. Yes, it does suffer from some horizontal gamma shift, but otherwise it's a pretty good screen. Now, obviously it does not have the fabulous *-IPS viewing angles, but alternatively for the price range it was introduced at, it was a good deal at the time. I had two for about two weeks each and I was impressed with the display quality and useful OSD.

Unfortunately with any technology, such as the VA technology maybe Samsung concentrated too much on high gamut enhancements and not with horizontal viewing angles stability. Progress is not always a step forward, it's sometimes two steps forward and 1.9 steps back

Sorry if I sound like a busted record LOL

Regards,
10e

Agree with some exceptions. Wouldn't argue much about the BenQ 241W - no decent tests (but it has blackout ussue and excluded from all nominations).
But "all-rounder LG 245" - it's a joke.

 

[10e]

I agree with you, but at least you can't question the quality that the extra dollars purchased, and I bet you will have your monitor longer than most here, including myself.

There is nothing that the monitor cannot do well. Gaming, photo editing, word processing, video, it has it all.

Regards,

10e

Unfortunately it is true. It is the one LCD that made me abandon my CRTs and it cost me a pretty penny.

 

[Dainas]

Same thing. PVA is slightly improved MVA - deeper black and better contrast. Both are *VA anyway.

I have a S-PVA and an MVA from roughly the same generation, and the MVA is far far superior in blacks, contrast and color. So you can't even use token stereotypes to differentiate them.

 

[albovin]

I have a S-PVA and an MVA from roughly the same generation, and the MVA is far far superior in blacks, contrast and color. So you can't even use token stereotypes to differentiate them.

Saying this - is an example of how "token stereotypes" grow.
Talking about abstract PVA/MVA does not make sense.
We cannot buy a pound of freshly baked PVA or MVA.
Every single piece of them has it's own name and model number.
If you want to share your observations you need to tell what models you are talking about.

I don't use stereotypes to differentiate monitors.
What I use are fundamental technical principles, published professional reviews and tests, my own tests and experience plus observations and opinions I receive from other users.
Look at the summary on this page.
You see that PVA monitors are consistently better than MVA in terms of contrast ratio and black color level. Add the Dell 2408 which in this aspect is better than any of them.

 

[Mav451]

Lol the 2408's input lag is just as bad as the 2407HC (2-3frames), making it essentially useless for all but the most boring tasks (e.g. Office work). I don't think anyone on this forum should even either of those panels if you want to have a possibility of gaming. From the numbers I've seen, the 2490 is only slightly better, with an average of 2 frames, dipping or going a bit over that figure. In this day and age, the only monitors to consider are the ones that do 1-2frame avg, which makes the LG246 just barely fall into that category.

And with that said, the only real monitor to be considered is the DoubleSight, which does not have the horrendous lag-inducing processing of the NEC 26".

Sadly the 243N is not an IPS - wtf DoubleSight?

 

[gtg465x]

To be "all-rounder" (I mean good at everything, universal) a monitor must have:
1. Photo quality picture or simply "CRT-like" quality picture (LG 245/246 has *VA panel, suffers from colorshift and limited viewing angles).
2. Minimum of two digital inputs (to support a quality multimedia device and a quality PC connection at the same time) with proper Full HD support ( LG245/246 has just one digital input - even worse - in the form of HDMI - likely to have overscan issue, no evidence of 1080p proper support, no real scaling - 1:1 and Fill only, some reports state that even Aspect is missing(?) - unbelievable but I did not check).
3. Equipment to minimize eyestrain (autobrightness and comfortable range of brightness settings, legible dot pitch, ergonomics). LG 245/246 covers this to some extent.
4. Responsiveness for multimedia use. LG 245/246 has no problem with this.
General addition - disgracing review on xbitlabs.com.
It's not suprising that there is no trace of LG245/246 in recomended monitors list.

All-rounder is a high rank.
A particular monitor may please a prticular user very well. For example, I still love my old 20" Sony. Why not love your LG246?
But being all-rounder is a different story. It's out of the question for the LG245/246.

Dude... you've got to be kidding me. That list is a joke. It says the Samsung 245BW is a good "all-arounder", and surely the LG L246WP tops that monitor.

1. The 245BW is TN. The L246WP is MVA. Enough said.
2. The 245BW has 2 inputs. The L246WP has 3.
3. The L246WP does not have overscan as you guessed. And how is DVI better than HDMI? They are the same, except HDMI can carry audio as well as video. I'de go for HDMI if I had to choose.
4. The 245BW doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping, while the L246WP does, and therefore the 245BW can't even support 1080p video properly without stretching it.
5. That review of the L246WP at X-bit is flawed. It's based on using the User color setting instead of sRGB. It is widely known that sRGB is the way to go if you get this monitor, and had he figured that out, the review would have gone much differently. Also, some L246WPs have the contrast and brightness mislabeled in the menu in User mode, so the reviewer might have been confused as to why they weren't doing what he expected.
6. Did I mention the L246WP has PiP and a more adjustable stand than the 245BW?

 

[albovin]

Lol the 2408's input lag is just as bad as the 2407HC (2-3frames), making it essentially useless for all but the most boring tasks (e.g. Office work).

How do you know?
Have you tried it?
Well, you made me work hard. I have looked through 10 pages of 2408 thread
There is 1 (ONE!) semi-complaint from a user about input lag on the Dell 2408 (... input lag makes him think or so...)
One user's complaint from 10 pages of forum discussion. Check the rest if you want.
From my experience: yes, the Dell is good for office and it's the best for Full HD of what I have seen on *VA.

Actually IMO gaming is an activity that brings the least possible amount of food for the brain.

 

[albovin]

Dude... you've got to be kidding me. That list is a joke. It says the Samsung 245BW is a good "all-arounder", and surely the LG L246WP tops that monitor.

Which list? What I posted? Those are 4 "MUSTs" for a universal monitor.
Sorry, I've never talked about Samsung 245BW. 245BW is a cr@ppy TN in general, considered suitable for fast gaming AFAIK.
It's below LG 245 - no doubts.

 

[Mav451]

How do you know?
Have you tried it?
Well, you made me work hard. I have looked through 10 pages of 2408 thread
There is 1 (ONE!) semi-complaint from a user about input lag on the Dell 2408 (... input lag makes him think or so...)
One user's complaint from 10 pages of forum discussion. Check the rest if you want.
From my experience: yes, the Dell is good for office and it's the best for Full HD of what I have seen on *VA.

Actually IMO gaming is an activity that brings the least possible amount of food for the brain.

Lol did you miss my post on page 12, in response to Nav's test on page 11?
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032124531&postcount=213
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032124915&postcount=225
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1264046&page=11


61ms is just under 66ms (which would account to nearly 4 frames of input lag). Maybe it was combination of worst-case + response time (b/c he only has one timer). Even that, the next step would be 3 frames. Still unacceptable.

And I say that from experience, b/c I bet the 2405 is close to that. 45-55ms was observed back when I was first digging around about input lag, and it's pretty spot on - basically 3 frames.

 

[Snowdog]

Colorshift on *VA. You can't see the picture. etc...

Excellent post of the multitude of ways color shift shows up on *VA panel. I think I will have to bookmark it. I am flabbergasted that people don't notice this. It makes *VA panels unusable for me. And yes both PVA and MVA, they have the same characteristics when it comes to gamma/tone/color shift.

 

[(cf)Eclipse]

Excellent post of the multitude of ways color shift shows up on *VA panel. I think I will have to bookmark it. I am flabbergasted that people don't notice this. It makes *VA panels unusable for me. And yes both PVA and MVA, they have the same characteristics when it comes to gamma/tone/color shift.

people don't notice because that's probably a worst case scenario for color shifting with a poor quality *VA panel. observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_e8mGu6rc