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Established Traders Group

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I just created a trusted trader group. By Invite only. Its open enrollment time. Anyone who has been a [H] member for 2+ years and with 100+ heatware that PMs me will get invited. Everyone else needs to be recommended to the group by a current member.

Trusted Traders
 
good idea. i think the recommendation thing is very important, because sometimes people build up paltry heatware just to set up one big scam..

however my heat is low compared to yours! so apparently i cant get in yet..? :(
 
I have a feeling as soon as I can get karaktu and a few of the other big rollers to accept their invites, the group will grow fast. I'm sure you guys will get invites soon enough.
 
bail_w said:
Can you invite Crosshairs?
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Thanks Bro..:)

I like this idea, I want to say thanks to brom42 for thinking of it and setting it up....
This could be a very good tool in helping our FS/FT forums be less stressful for many of us.

Nothing I hate more than seeing a troll thread.....no one deserves to be ripped off.
 
Crosshairs said:
Thanks Bro..:)

I like this idea, I want to say thanks to brom42 for thinking of it and setting it up....
This could be a very good tool in helping our FS/FT forums be less stressful for many of us.

Nothing I hate more than seeing a troll thread.....no one deserves to be ripped off.
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The reason I wanted to do this is because we have a lot of great traders that don't really trade all that often. With this list, these traders can be vouched for my other members to help out more paranoid traders such as myself.
 
this is very silly.. it seems like its for people who want to pat them selfs on their back.. the creator of the club has a whole 30 heat!! woooooooohooo i do 30 buys a month and know i wont be checking to see if anyone i buy off is in this gay club..

so go ahead guys give yourself another pat on the back from me and pretend this is going to actually help people not get ripped off.. If a deal is to good to be true it prob is.. if the person has low heat or no heat have them ship first.. if person joins a good trader group they just sound like they are trying to hype them self up.. on that note im goign to be starting my own group..

the Good seller most trusted trader group..
 
killster1 said:
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Yup, I only have 32 heat with one of those positive heat reviews is from you. ;)

No system is perfect or fool proof. Heatware has plenty of problems, as you have found out.

You know, you could have just asked to be invited and I would have invited you. You could have started a discussion about how to make the group better and not "gay" or "silly"

So thanks for all the help! :rolleyes:
 
I accepted the invitation, but, I guess on some level I agree with Killster1 on this

This isn't going to help anyone avoid getting ripped off, and it's only going to create hurt feelings for those that don't qualify, or a flood of people saying "but I'm a good trader too!" and asking to be let in.
 
Wish i could join, but i have only been here 4 months and only have 6 heat :(
 
Vertigo Acid said:
I accepted the invitation, but, I guess on some level I agree with Killster1 on this
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i dunno if i do or not. i dont agree with how he expressed it though :p but this could actually help people, as long as the group is careful! this idea seems to be akin to the trusted trader list at guru3d, and that list has never steered anyone wrong. in fact its a great benefit and without it i believe the FS/FT forum there would descend into madness loel :D

i guess it seems to me like this could be practical, but only if it properly supplements the trading guidelines we use here; its not meant to replace them. killster, nobody is saying that this is some cure-all for trading woes, but i dont think its some "exclusive club" either. it has the potential to be an important tool..
 
killster1 said:
this is very silly.. it seems like its for people who want to pat them selfs on their back.. the creator of the club has a whole 30 heat!! woooooooohooo i do 30 buys a month and know i wont be checking to see if anyone i buy off is in this gay club..

so go ahead guys give yourself another pat on the back from me and pretend this is going to actually help people not get ripped off.. If a deal is to good to be true it prob is.. if the person has low heat or no heat have them ship first.. if person joins a good trader group they just sound like they are trying to hype them self up.. on that note im goign to be starting my own group..

the Good seller most trusted trader group..
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I agree with you.

Supposedly a existing member can invite a non-member. This rule can and will be exploited. Let's imagine, a scammer (who might very well have 40+ reps) makes an increditble deal to an existing member, do all the right thing, then ask to join this group. Now, he is "recommended" by this group, then goes on to scam a lot of people. This defeats the whole purpose of a "super duper group."

This idea sounds good but fails. It provides a false sense of security to traders. What's worse is when the above scenario does happen, you'll have lots of great traders that are now on a list with a scammer.

Best way to protect yourself is to use your common sense.
 
__hollywood|meow said:
i dunno if i do or not. i dont agree with how he expressed it though :p but this could actually help people, as long as the group is careful! this idea seems to be akin to the trusted trader list at guru3d, and that list has never steered anyone wrong. in fact its a great benefit and without it i believe the FS/FT forum there would descend into madness loel :D

i guess it seems to me like this could be practical, but only if it properly supplements the trading guidelines we use here; its not meant to replace them. killster, nobody is saying that this is some cure-all for trading woes, but i dont think its some "exclusive club" either. it has the potential to be an important tool..
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This. The only reason this thread exists it to let people know about it and get some members started. I plan on locking this thread after about a week. After that the only requirement to get in is to be recommended by a current member. That's it, it won't matter how long you have been a forum member or how much heat you have.

I really don't see how anyone who trades here who hasn't screwed anyone over and isn't an ass to people won't be able to become a member. I mean Karaktu probably could invite half the forum in.

All that this group means is that if someone is a member, someone here vouched for the person and said they are a good trader. That's it. It also give traders a spot to discuss things about the FS/FT subforum without having everyone who is not a member crash the thread.

I was just annoyed by how killster1 went about it. I just put up this group without a ton of thought. I am open to any constructive criticism, if you think the description is misleading or need to be majorly changed, just start a discussion and help out, don't just call it "gay"
 
killster1 said:
blah blah threadcrapping blah blah.
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EVERYONE can view EVERYTHING that is posted in a group. Log out and view the group. You can read everything in it. So how is this behind closed doors? The only thing that not being a member does is not allow you to post in it.

Killster1, try to go anywhere in this forum and bash other members and see how long it lasts before you get your 3 day vacation.
 
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I feel folks are making this way more than it is. However, I would be supportive if the only members were here on their on merit, and not the recommendation of others.

Having a good trader list is a very good idea. Just look at how many post in the *deals gone wrong* section.

Brom, just remember, you can't please all the people all the time. Your doing a good thing IMO.
 
Here's the problem I have with a trusted traders list. There are people out there that will build up a reputation for a while, then turn around and scam 20-30 people in a month. By the time everyone figures out that this person is a con-artist, it's too late. The first few threads that call him out will be full of people that can "vouch" for the guy and insist that he's probably just having a hard time, to give it time. This has happened here before, at least twice that I know of.

Now, with a trusted trader list/group that person would be on that list/group, I can honestly see this making the above situation worse, since (as someone already pointed out) the false sense of security provided by the list could postpone people from calling out a scammer because he's trusted on this forum.

Granted, it probably isn't very often this happens, but one time would completely invalidate the entire list for a lot of people.
 
ryan_975 said:
Here's the problem I have with a trusted traders list. There are people out there that will build up a reputation for a while, then turn around and scam 20-30 people in a month. By the time everyone figures out that this person is a con-artist, it's too late. The first few threads that call him out will be full of people that can "vouch" for the guy and insist that he's probably just having a hard time, to give it time. This has happened here before, at least twice that I know of.

Now, with a trusted trader list/group that person would be on that list/group, I can honestly see this making the above situation worse, since (as someone already pointed out) the false sense of security provided by the list could postpone people from calling out a scammer because he's trusted on this forum.

Granted, it probably isn't very often this happens, but one time would completely invalidate the entire list for a lot of people.
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Nothing is perfect. Hence this method does not guarantee anything.
 
bail_w said:
Nothing is perfect. Hence this method is not guarantee anything.
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Yet, it's called "trusted" trader group. The very title implies a guarantee. Maybe call it "The traders that haven't scammed anyone yet group", but that just doesn't sound as catchy.
 
ryan_975 said:
Yet, it's called "trusted" trader group. The very title implies a guarantee. Maybe call it "The traders that haven't scammed anyone yet group", but that just doesn't sound as catchy.
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You can interrupt it anyway you want. By definition, the word trusted mean having confidence in someone. Thus, it does not guarantee anything.
 
bail_w said:
You can interrupt it anyway you want. By definition, the word trusted mean having confidence in someone. Thus, it does not guarantee anything.
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What am I interrupting?

I understand the intent, and it's a good idea. It's just fundamentally flawed, you can't block scammers without blocking those who aren't, and you can't let everyone that is trustable in without letting the scammers in. One good trade does not make a trader good. However, that's all that's required to become trusted in this group.
 
Things to remember about this group:

1. This is not an official [H]ardForum trusted traders group, there will never be one.
2. Think of this group as being Brom42's personal group of people he trusts to deal with.
3. Always do your research on who you are trading with.

There is no need to argue with the pros and cons of this group or any other group. This is simply just a group personally made by Brom42. That is all.
 
techdude01 nailed it on the head. Its called Trusted Traders because I liked the way it sounds. That said I am starting to think that Trusted was the wrong word to use. I PMed Vertigo Acid (or maybe techdude01 can answer this) to see if a the title can be changed. If that is an option, then I plan on setting up a discussion topic in there and us members can hash out a better title.

I can however change the description of the group at any point in time, so feel free to suggest any changes you want to make to it or even better start a discussion in the group.
 
It looks like the title of the group can be changed. I do see that under my moderation options.
 
ryan_975 said:
Here's the problem I have with a trusted traders list. There are people out there that will build up a reputation for a while, then turn around and scam 20-30 people in a month. By the time everyone figures out that this person is a con-artist, it's too late. The first few threads that call him out will be full of people that can "vouch" for the guy and insist that he's probably just having a hard time, to give it time. This has happened here before, at least twice that I know of.

Now, with a trusted trader list/group that person would be on that list/group, I can honestly see this making the above situation worse, since (as someone already pointed out) the false sense of security provided by the list could postpone people from calling out a scammer because he's trusted on this forum.

Granted, it probably isn't very often this happens, but one time would completely invalidate the entire list for a lot of people.
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Come on now, did you really type all that? So, by your logic (which may be true for a very small percentage of the population) ebay feedback, heatware..etc.. are all useless too then. Who needs FICO too, right?

*disclaimer: I am not for or against this "group."
 
JRW21 said:
Come on now, did you really type all that? So, by your logic (which may be true for a very small percentage of the population) ebay feedback, heatware..etc.. are all useless too then. Who needs FICO too, right?

*disclaimer: I am not for or against this "group."
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eBay feedback really is useless. Heatware almost as much. But to create a list "trusted" traders based solely on the recommendation on one person already in the list... well, if you can't see where I'm going then I won't bother. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree, so be it.
 
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