Epic Games Sues Apple

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Epic was recetly valued around 17 bill vs Apple at between 900 bill and 1 trill. A long legal battle realistically cant cost more than a few hundred million, right?....lawyers billing at $200/hr,
40hrs/week 50weeks/yr
400k per lawyer per year, or 10 mil/25 lawyers per year.

Epic is trying to prove a point and they think they're right. It'll just take the right courtroom tactics (cough counter-bribes) to pull off defeating Apple.

LOL Epic have you all hook line and sinker, pretending to be standing up for the little people standing against the big evil corporations.

They are nothing more than a money hungry company trying to make more revenue and cant handle the fact that they are on Apples and Googles terms not theirs. The Epic Fail Store is a perfect example of that.
 

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So the employee was given permission to sideload? Sounds like company error?
The last time I've ever heard of someone sideloading anything is this post.
Personal device, we use iPhones for all corporate phones. But allowances can be made for employees to use their own devices if the paperwork was filed. The manager snubbed a bunch of it for the wife’s phone. So yeah it was an error all right.

Company iPhones are further locked down by their MDM profiles so employees don’t even get the Apple APP store directly the company one wraps it and the apps available are what’s left after we run our filters on the actual App Store.
 
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The darkest truth is evolution: The weak will perish.

Let the sideloading gates open, and we will watch the unfit masses burn themselves alive as they rush outwards in a blind panic. Those that survive will be stronger, smarter, more prepared for the grim cybernetic dystopia that surely awaits. And those that fall? Heh.

Reality is not always kind.

The sun rises in the morning, and that is when the truth is revealed.
Do you think this world should be easy? It's not.

Be prepared for the ultimate challenge of survival, or you and your phone will meet its end.

So open those gates.
Let's see who transforms their phone into a glorious machine capable of all that they desire, versus those who morph their phone into a hideous virus abomination due to their own folly.

Icarus may fall...
But Apollo made it to the moon.

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The darkest truth is evolution: The weak will perish.

Let the sideloading gates open, and we will watch the unfit masses burn themselves alive as they rush outwards in a blind panic. Those that survive will be stronger, smarter, more prepared for the grim cybernetic dystopia that surely awaits. And those that fall? Heh.

Reality is not always kind.

The sun rises in the morning, and that is when the truth is revealed.
Do you think this world should be easy? It's not.

Be prepared for the ultimate challenge of survival, or you and your phone will meet its end.

So open those gates.
Let's see who transforms their phone into a glorious machine capable of all that they desire, versus those who morph their phone into a hideous virus abomination due to their own folly.

Icarus may fall...
But Apollo made it to the moon.

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Um, no. I want my phone to be a reliable communication and information device, not test of and testament to my survival or worthiness. I have enough such trials in my life (family, career, health...) and see no reason to add a frickin’ smartphone to the list. Above all else I want choice—the choice for you to willingly brave the sideloading-enabled battleground you so desire, AND the choice for me to pay someone to manage and curate it for me so I can focus my time in other directions.

And in any case, your post actually is more or less wrong in the modern age... the truth is evolution through specialization. That’s what got Apollo to the moon... people who paid others to take of the things they didn’t have time for, so they could specialize in and be the best at a small number of skills. don’t get me wrong, I am all for a basic level of competence with technology, the kind that carries no opportunity cost in terms of time and energy. But if I have to start researching the reseller ratings of an app, or read tens of reviews to suss out if it is safe, well I’d rather outsource that work and spend my time on something else.

...unless your post was written in sarcasm, in Which case I say I agree :)
 
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Millions more people are installing malware-laden apps from the official app stores than from sideloading.

https://arstechnica.com/information...-with-1-7-million-downloads-many-by-children/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...-store-delete-these-66-apps-now/#3f2622127bca
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=malware+playstore

Maybe we should ban guns because people cant be trusted not to shoot people? Ban cars because people cant be trusted not to drive unsafely? Ban independent thought because it may lead to an uprising? Walled gardens...lol.

Have any iOS figures? I've seen a couple of instances, but they're considerably rarer.

Like I said, the Play Store's issue is that Google, as usual, relies heavily on algorithms to moderate content. Those systems catch much of what gets through, but if something does get through, it can fester there until a security researcher points it out.

Apple doesn't approach things the same way. It has human reviewers combing over every app, including updated apps. Now, that can have issues for consistency on policy (an app might be accepted by one reviewer and rejected by the next), but you also don't see nearly as much malware reaching users.

If you allow sideloading on iOS, then, you really do dramatically increase the chances of malware reaching customers. Like Newbie_52 pointed out, there are plenty of people hit by sideloaded apps. And importantly, third-party Android stores are notorious for harboring malware-laden apps as the security checks aren't even as strict as Google's.

Again, I imagine Apple might not even look at sideloading unless it had a way to control apps that go rogue, such as requiring Developer ID signing. Google's approach on Android has arguably created more problems than it solved.
 

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If you allow sideloading on iOS, then, you really do dramatically increase the chances of malware reaching customers.

If you don't allow sideloading, then you really do dramatically increase the chances of violating anti-trust laws.

Apple's not OSing in a vacuum, here.
 

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If you don't allow sideloading, then you really do dramatically increase the chances of violating anti-trust laws.

Apple's not OSing in a vacuum, here.

It isn't in a vacuum, and for that reason it isn't necessarily violating antitrust laws. I wish folks would stop conflating their fantasies with what's actually legal, because there's a significant chasm between the two.
 

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The case wasn't tossed out on its face; there is potential truth to these claims.

Has Apple or Google filed a motion to dismiss? Not that I've seen. The bar for judges accepting cases isn't that high, so I wouldn't put much stock in the lawsuits surviving the weekend.

If a case isn't summarily dismissed, that just means it's not completely out to lunch. Proving the case is much harder.
 

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Has Apple or Google filed a motion to dismiss? Not that I've seen. The bar for judges accepting cases isn't that high, so I wouldn't put much stock in the lawsuits surviving the weekend.

If a case isn't summarily dismissed, that just means it's not completely out to lunch. Proving the case is much harder.

Ah yeah, I'm sure this lawsuit that was clearly carefully crafted well in advance by a multi-billion dollar company with the most experienced lawyers in these cases will just get tossed out as rubbish.
LMFAO

Did you also predict EGS and Fortnite would be gone after a year?
 

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Ah yeah, I'm sure this lawsuit that was clearly carefully crafted well in advance by a multi-billion dollar company with the most experienced lawyers in these cases will just get tossed out as rubbish.
LMFAO

Did you also predict EGS and Fortnite would be gone after a year?

Didn't say it would be tossed out, just that people can't shout "see, there's some truth to it!" because it hasn't been immediately dismissed. That's not how the court system works. All it says is that the lawsuit passed a minimum level of acceptability. If the judge had rejected Epic's lawsuit right away, it would be a lot worse than losing the chance to fight Apple. It would represent gross incompetence on the part of Epic's legal team -- as in a "fire the internal counsel and sue the law firm" level of failure.

As a general rule, judges dismiss lawsuits when they're making obviously false or unprovable claims (Apple is mind-controlling me through my AirPods!) or there are basic problems with the construction and submission of the lawsuit. After that, dismissals tend to come from successful defense motions or settlements.
 

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Didn't say it would be tossed out, just that people can't shout "see, there's some truth to it!" because it hasn't been immediately dismissed.

Fine. Robert Barnes said this case has merit and was well drafted.
 

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Well with Apple fans paying $999 for a monitor stand, this doesn't seem too far fetched.

Eh, I think the furor over the display stand was much ado about... well, not much! If you can afford both a Mac Pro and a Pro Display XDR, and you want more than a generic stand, $999 is peanuts. (And you're more of a creative pro than a hardcore fan).
 

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Eh, I think the furor over the display stand was much ado about... well, not much! If you can afford both a Mac Pro and a Pro Display XDR, and you want more than a generic stand, $999 is peanuts. (And you're more of a creative pro than a hardcore fan).
besides almost nobody needs the stand, all that stuff gets built into ergonomic desks that have built in stands and brackets.
 

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Eh, I think the furor over the display stand was much ado about... well, not much! If you can afford both a Mac Pro and a Pro Display XDR, and you want more than a generic stand, $999 is peanuts. (And you're more of a creative pro than a hardcore fan).
Thanks to the power of denial, the $999 Apple stand is a good deal. While that makes sense to an Apple fan, the rest of us sees it for what it is. A piece of aluminum that simply holds up the display. Gotta love an industry that can brainwash something as simple as a hunk of metal and multiply the price to insane levels and yet the community finds a way to defend it.

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Thanks to the power of denial, the $999 Apple stand is a good deal. While that makes sense to an Apple fan, the rest of us sees it for what it is. A piece of aluminum that simply holds up the display. Gotta love an industry that can brainwash something as simple as a hunk of metal and multiply the price to insane levels and yet the community finds a way to defend it.

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I didn't say it's a good deal, just that it's not nearly as exorbitant as it sounds for the target market. A Mac Pro + Pro Display XDR customer is already dropping a minimum of $11,000, and will likely spend thousands more. They're not thinking about whether they could get a phone for that money, they're thinking about how many thousands of dollars this system will save on their next project.

I'm not sure what's worse: a hardcore Apple fan, or a hardcore Anything But Apple type who acts like a 16-year-old defending his Xbox in the schoolyard. You don't have to agree with Apple's pricing, but you're presumably an adult... please behave like one.
 

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I didn't say it's a good deal, just that it's not nearly as exorbitant as it sounds for the target market. A Mac Pro + Pro Display XDR customer is already dropping a minimum of $11,000, and will likely spend thousands more. They're not thinking about whether they could get a phone for that money, they're thinking about how many thousands of dollars this system will save on their next project.

I'm not sure what's worse: a hardcore Apple fan, or a hardcore Anything But Apple type who acts like a 16-year-old defending his Xbox in the schoolyard. You don't have to agree with Apple's pricing, but you're presumably an adult... please behave like one.
And the user of that $11,000 computer is sitting in a $800 chair sitting at a $1200 desk.. The display stand was for the people using some janky setups and it was one of those products that they will make but they don't want to make a lot of because its mostly not needed so its small order big price tag sort of stuff. I mean if you want to rip on apples pricing the roller feet for those work stations that's where the rip off is.
 
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Do you realize that the two app stores have a much higher percentage of having malware hidden in random apps I might install, compared to the minimal amount of apps I would manually side-load from obvious trusted sources? Your argument is backwards.
I didn't say it's a good deal, just that it's not nearly as exorbitant as it sounds for the target market. A Mac Pro + Pro Display XDR customer is already dropping a minimum of $11,000, and will likely spend thousands more. They're not thinking about whether they could get a phone for that money, they're thinking about how many thousands of dollars this system will save on their next project.

I'm not sure what's worse: a hardcore Apple fan, or a hardcore Anything But Apple type who acts like a 16-year-old defending his Xbox in the schoolyard. You don't have to agree with Apple's pricing, but you're presumably an adult... please behave like one.

The funny part is everyone who hate on the $999 stand were never even a customer to begin with. Its like people being up in arms about Bentley charging $10k for an option on their cars. People getting butthurt because they just can’t afford something or Apples halo products.

Meanwhile you morons are converting your real money into imaginary ingame currency on a shitty kids game and you’re accusing Apple of screwing consumers over? BAHAHAHA
 

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Apple does tying for profit: it's a walled garden!

Facebook does tying for free: burn it to the ground.
 

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The funny part is everyone who hate on the $999 stand were never even a customer to begin with. Its like people being up in arms about Bentley charging $10k for an option on their cars. People getting butthurt because they just can’t afford something or Apples halo products.

Meanwhile you morons are converting your real money into imaginary ingame currency on a shitty kids game and you’re accusing Apple of screwing consumers over? BAHAHAHA

Precisely! Apple didn't build the Mac Pro or the Pro Display XDR for a gaming enthusiast who probably won't spend more than $3K on their entire system. This hardware is for a creative pro who won't blink twice at spending five digits on an editing rig. That $999 price for a stand is still a lot, but many in the target market just plan to attach the monitor to an existing VESA mount... and Apple's VESA adapter is much less expensive.

And yes, there's a tremendous irony to getting up in arms over the Pro Stand in the same thread where they rally behind a company selling virtual cosmetic items for a game. The Pro Stand is at least a physical product that will likely be useful for a decade or more; something tells me that Fortnite back bling won't help with your productivity.
 

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Precisely! Apple didn't build the Mac Pro or the Pro Display XDR for a gaming enthusiast who probably won't spend more than $3K on their entire system. This hardware is for a creative pro who won't blink twice at spending five digits on an editing rig. That $999 price for a stand is still a lot, but many in the target market just plan to attach the monitor to an existing VESA mount... and Apple's VESA adapter is much less expensive.

So we're talking about the kind of people who buy Monster Cables or $12,000 unicorn-hair HDMI cables, is what you're saying? :)
 

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So we're talking about the kind of people who buy Monster Cables or $12,000 unicorn-hair HDMI cables, is what you're saying? :)

I don't think that Apple's main userbase can be said to be much else than that. I've been teasing Apple-users for their inability to build or maintain their own computer since I was a teenager. It's probably only gotten worse. Only they would defend a "walled garden."

To be honest, if Apple made a walled garden, but still offered you the key if you really wanted to explore outside, then sure. Make me check a box or manually read "Installing apps found outside the Apple Store is a risk" to Siri. Then Siri can authorize sideloading after I've verified I know what it is and what the risks are.

But instead, Apple simply says, "Nope."
Well. this is a discussion that Apple users can have with the ghost of Steve Jobs if they want.

I don't think that these types of users are relevant to computer forums. They don't see their electronics the same way that I do. They don't see inventive potential or something to modify to their desires. Instead, they obey and submit. They don't "hack" their Apple product. They actually defend how it's done, and how it is done is that they spend absurd amounts of money on locked down consumer hardware to only have what what they are given. This is what they say to us directly, just here in this very thread. They defend how it is done.

And how it's done is not very hacky or fun. It's very subservient. To be direct: I am the master of my machine.
Apple users do not share this mindset.

The machine is not my master. It will do as I command. I will not submit to my computer. It will submit to me.
As long as I am the programmer, the user, the client, the owner, the builder, and the administrator of my own machine, then it will submit to me, and I will not submit to it.

Apple users do the opposite. They submit.
 

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I don't think that Apple's main userbase can be said to be much else than that. I've been teasing Apple-users for their inability to build or maintain their own computer since I was a teenager. It's probably only gotten worse. Only they would defend a "walled garden."

To be honest, if Apple made a walled garden, but still offered you the key if you really wanted to explore outside, then sure. Make me check a box or manually read "Installing apps found outside the Apple Store is a risk" to Siri. Then Siri can authorize sideloading after I've verified I know what it is and what the risks are.

But instead, Apple simply says, "Nope."
Well. this is a discussion that Apple users can have with the ghost of Steve Jobs if they want.

I don't think that these types of users are relevant to computer forums. They don't see their electronics the same way that I do. They don't see inventive potential or something to modify to their desires. Instead, they obey and submit. They don't "hack" their Apple product. They actually defend how it's done, and how it is done is that they spend absurd amounts of money on locked down consumer hardware to only have what what they are given. This is what they say to us directly, just here in this very thread. They defend how it is done.

And how it's done is not very hacky or fun. It's very subservient. To be direct: I am the master of my machine.
Apple users do not share this mindset.

The machine is not my master. It will do as I command. I will not submit to my computer. It will submit to me.
As long as I am the programmer, the user, the client, the owner, the builder, and the administrator of my own machine, then it will submit to me, and I will not submit to it.

Apple users do the opposite. They submit.

Please be careful standing on that pedastal, you might fall off.

what is with this online tech Illuminati that parrots the same rote schoolyard philosophy that sounds no different today than it did in the 1980s on usenet or delphi forums? I realize this exists in every field but it’s so pronounced in the PC world. Is it the existence of companies like Apple to give people like Aegir something visible to rail against? Something widely known and accepted? or are computer *users* generally more predisposed than others to flex their online muscle? If so, why them?

I find it so silly because of the tremendous hypocrisy. Does Aegir cultivate all his or her own food? if not... slave to the people who stuff food down his mouth... a mindless submissive with no real control over what he’s told to eat right? Did he build his own home? Design it himself to stand the test of time? I hope so, otherwise he’s really just a slave to the real masters. And heck let’s get closer to home.... “building a PC” is about as technically complex as baking a loaf of bread or fixing a leaky faucet. It signifies nothing. Want to impress? I’d like to understand your mastery of silicon engineering. What silicon have you designed? Wait you’re using an AMD or Intel chip you bought off a website or picked up from a store? What does that prove... that you can drive? You can buy something? Impresssive! You can install a program under Windows in a slightly more complicated manner than buying off an App Store? Wow that is something else. right up there with my 12 year old nephew. I thought I was hot stuff with my iPhone but you mister... you know how to use InstallShield!

in seriousness, many of us outgrew the teenage urge to show off how we are a tech enthusiast. Some of us ended up at these tech companies and realized it’s the people creating this hardware and software who deserve the accolades, not mere users, be they seasoned or not. Others realized what we accomplish with the technology is what matters, and while it’s okay for someone to think of PCs as a hobby, and to invest in it as many of us do, it’s just as okay to invest the same time instead into creating output with the tools. I myself started as the former, and today I am perfectly happy being the latter, with walled garden devices that will give me five trouble free and supported years for me and my family. And when I need more, other devices are a dime a dozen and in plentiful supply. I love the current state of affairs... I don’t think android should try to be iOS nor vice versa. They serve different purposes and people often are best served by one or the other. And some like myself appreciate and own both. And so far no one has demonstrated that flexibility isn’t without compromise at all. Microsoft’s usually fairly good at this and it still took them 3 months to get the May update 2004 ready for TR3 users like me. Don’t even get me started on Android!

Aegir my apologies if I’m being mean or too personal here, and if your post was written in sarcasm that I completely missed then I’m REALLY sorry! I just don’t have much tolerance these days for tech elitism, and often find that the people espousing it are often anything but elite in uncountable other areas. My apologies if you are really the master of all.
 
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Please be careful standing on that pedastal, you might fall off.

what is with this online tech Illuminati that parrots the same rote schoolyard philosophy that sounds no different today than it did in the 1980s on usenet or delphi forums? I realize this exists in every field but it’s so pronounced in the PC world. Is it the existence of companies like Apple to give people like Aegir something visible to rail against? Something widely known and accepted? or are computer *users* generally more predisposed than others to flex their online muscle? If so, why them?

I find it so silly because of the tremendous hypocrisy. Does Aegir cultivate all his or her own food? if not... slave to the people who stuff food down his mouth... a mindless submissive with no real control over what he’s told to eat right? Did he build his own home? Design it himself to stand the test of time? I hope so, otherwise he’s really just a slave to the real masters. And heck let’s get closer to home.... “building a PC” is about as technically complex as baking a loaf of bread or fixing a leaky faucet. It signifies nothing. Want to impress? I’d like to understand your mastery of silicon engineering. What silicon have you designed? Wait you’re using an AMD or Intel chip you bought off a website or picked up from a store? What does that prove... that you can drive? You can buy something? Impresssive! You can install a program under Windows in a slightly more complicated manner than buying off an App Store? Wow that is something else. right up there with my 12 year old nephew. I thought I was hot stuff with my iPhone but you mister... you know how to use InstallShield!

in seriousness, many of us outgrew the teenage urge to show off how we are a tech enthusiast. Some of us ended up at these tech companies and realized it’s the people creating this hardware and software who deserve the accolades, not mere users, be they seasoned or not. Others realized what we accomplish with the technology is what matters, and while it’s okay for someone to think of PCs as a hobby, and to invest in it, it’s just as okay to invest the same time instead into creating output with the tools. I myself started as the former, and today I am perfectly happy being the latter, with walled garden devices that will give me five trouble free and supported years for me and my family. And when I need more, other devices are a dime a dozen and in plentiful supply. I love the current state of affairs... I don’t think android should try to be iOS nor vice versa. They serve different purposes and people often are best served by one or the other. And some like myself appreciate and own both. And so far no one has demonstrated that flexibility isn’t without compromise at all. Microsoft’s usually fairly good at this and it still took them 3 months to get the May update 2004 ready for TR3 users like me. Don’t even get me started on Android!

Aegir my apologies if I’m being mean or too personal here, and if your post was written in sarcasm that I completely missed then I’m REALLY sorry! I just don’t have much tolerance these days for tech elitism, and often find that the people espousing it are often anything but elite in uncountable other areas. My apologies if you are really the master of all.


If you don't like tech elitism, then don't play the tech elitism game.
I love elitism when it comes to my hobbies, but if someone doesn't, then why would they even care?

It's like bragging about baking your own bread or something like you said. It only matters to people in the in-group.
The out-group doesn't even care. Why would they?

But this is Hard forum.

Just as a bread baker might tease a bread buyer on a baking forum, I'll do the similar thing here, and tease the people who buy a pre-built computer a little. But of course, it's all fun and games. If you stop having fun, then it's time to take a break from the internet.
 

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I’d also like to reflect separately on the meaning of flexibility. It’s not a one dimensional thing. It doesn’t only mean “I can hack however I want.”

last week my wife’s iPhone took a drop (cracks) followed days later by let’s call it an unfortunate encounter with the Pacific Oceanwhile kayaking :( it more or less killed it. We needed to get her running quickly. We popped the sim out, and put it in an iPhone 6s we bought about five years ago that was sitting in a drawer. Amazingly it updated to the same iOS, installed virtually all the same apps she uses, and other than it being somewhat slower, the experience is largely the same. It was frickin’ amazing. That’s a kind of flexibility and freedom to, and many of the billion+ walled garden userappreciate it just as much if not more so than the opportunity to play malware roulette. The day other ecosystems can provide this kind of extended support, ease of transition and backward/forward compatibility (all together) I’ll change my views in an instant.
 

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If you don't like tech elitism, then don't play the tech elitism game.
I love elitism when it comes to my hobbies, but if someone doesn't, then why would they even care?

It's like bragging about baking your own bread or something like you said. It only matters to people in the in-group.
The out-group doesn't even care. Why would they?

But this is Hard forum.

Just as a bread baker might tease a bread buyer on a baking forum, I'll do the similar thing here, and tease the people who buy a pre-built computer a little. But of course, it's all fun and games. If you stop having fun, then it's time to take a break from the internet.

I see. To you, hardforum = a passport or excuse to look down on others and talk smack about them. Fair enough... you do you. We’ll just agree to disagree.
 

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I see. To you, hardforum = a passport or excuse to look down on others and talk smack about them. Fair enough... you do you. We’ll just agree to disagree.

Yeah, it's banter.

The professional with a briefcase and business suit should probably just walk past the two kids arguing about Apple vs DIY.
Why would you even join that sort of argument unless you wanna have that sort of fun too?
 

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Yeah, it's banter.

The professional with a briefcase and business suit should probably just walk past the two kids arguing about Apple vs DIY.
Why would you even join that sort of argument unless you wanna have that sort of fun too?

well I always thought of forum conversation and debate as a way to understand other points of view, debate them, convince others but also evolve one‘s own view and hopefully learn something along the way. I also think of this forum as having a fair number of like-minded professionals. I like that mindset and am going to stick to it. That said you are of course absolutely correct that individuals who describe themselves as children who like to argue are best avoided/ignored.
 

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well I always thought of forum conversation and debate as a way to understand other points of view, debate them, convince others but also evolve one‘s own view and hopefully learn something along the way. I also think of this forum as having a fair number of like-minded professionals. I like that mindset and am going to stick to it. That said you are of course absolutely correct that individuals who describe themselves as children who like to argue are best avoided/ignored.

We all have our pride. That's why you keep responding.
Shouldn't you stick to your professional work instead of bantering with me in this "video game company vs Apple" thread?

But I'm not naive about how Apple markets their products, and the sort of person who buys them.
I've been to an Apple store before. I'm not naive. Are you?
 

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I’d also like to reflect separately on the meaning of flexibility. It’s not a one dimensional thing. It doesn’t only mean “I can hack however I want.”

last week my wife’s iPhone took a drop (cracks) followed days later by let’s call it an unfortunate encounter with the Pacific Oceanwhile kayaking :( it more or less killed it. We needed to get her running quickly. We popped the sim out, and put it in an iPhone 6s we bought about five years ago that was sitting in a drawer. Amazingly it updated to the same iOS, installed virtually all the same apps she uses, and other than it being somewhat slower, the experience is largely the same. It was frickin’ amazing. That’s a kind of flexibility and freedom to, and many of the billion+ walled garden userappreciate it just as much if not more so than the opportunity to play malware roulette. The day other ecosystems can provide this kind of extended support, ease of transition and backward/forward compatibility (all together) I’ll change my views in an instant.


Funny thing, my rooted Android phones do pretty much the same.
 

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Funny thing, my rooted Android phones do pretty much the same.
Doesn't even need to be rooted... main reason I don't want to use older phones is that they're Samsung, not that they don't work :D

[my wife has my old Note 4 booted up and is using it as a tethered PDA, since the battery is basically gone; pretty sure my old OG Pixel is around somewhere too]
 
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Funny thing, my rooted Android phones do pretty much the same.

Thats nice... let me know when your parents or grand parents can competently root their phones so they can keep getting software updates...

Apple provide a market to users who just want shit that works as advertised without screwing around. Sure I love to tinker but after working in IT for years many moons ago, I also appreciated coming home from work and just using something without having to fix it constantly.

iPhone fill a market for those users, if you want more flexibility and less long term support then buy an Android phone and leave us alone. Stop trying to convert something you hate just because you don’t like the way Apple does things.

For the vast majority of the market, Apple hits their mark perfectly.
 
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Even though I'm not so fond of Apple, I will give it to them for continuing to release updates for old hardware.

I have a iPhone 7 I think and an old iPad that still have the latest iOS. Android devices are usually abandoned within like 2 or 3 years.
 

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https://wccftech.com/microsoft-issu...t-of-epic-games-to-remain-on-apple-ecosystem/

A statement released today was prepared by Kevin Gammill, the General Manager for Gaming Developer Experiences for Microsoft. Kevin declared that the Unreal Engine provided by Epic Games, if not kept available on the Apple App Store for developers, would require Microsoft "to choose between abandoning its customers and potential customers on the iOS and macOS plattforms or choosing a different game engine when preparing to develop new games."

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