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NickJames
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I mean all that is easily modifiable, not that the government is going to go in and purposely make you out to look like a pedophile by planting evidence on your electronic device. But if someone REALLY wanted to ruin your life, yeah you would have a problem explaining a lot of things.
Thing is, it's like lying. A person starts telling lies and pretty soon, those lies are going to have to be true. And all the time, one lie sits on another and soon enough it just gets too hard to deal with, and you get caught, and then you're a liar. You loose all credibility cause you lie.
It's the same thing here and the cops know it too.
Like this guy, maybe he really is a shit heal and beats his daughter. Who here wouldn't like to kick the dog shit out of this guy if he really was beating his kid, abusively out of shear meanness, he's beating his little girl?
What the cops know, is that he won't stop. If they don't get him this time he'll do it again. They know it cause they see it all the time. Sure they want to stop him and I am sure sometimes it becomes too big and the cop will fudge something to make things stick exactly for the same reasons. Because they know a shitheel like this won't stop until they are forced to stop.
It sucks.
But seasoned cops see a lot that sucks and they are going to keep seeing more that sucks so until they retire they have to hold onto their safety blanket just so they can keep working and not go nuts. They have to care a little less. They have to take the long road and they have to accept that they can't catch all the assholes and they have to accept that if they don't get him this time, there will be a next time.
And that's how they deal with the suck. And that's why they don't usually have to plant shit, unless they shot someone by mistake .......
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That's not what I said. As it was noted earlier, ANYONE could accidentally hit some clickbait that drops certain images, text or search results, into a devices history or cache. You and they can be equally as innocent, however, because you had to prove your innocence they are now unwillingly dragged into your situation and having to do the same like some kind spreading disease.
But, if your conscience is filled without doubt that your innocence and that of all those around you is beyond reproach, go ahead and have my blessing (as you seem to need it) to turn anything of yours over to law enforcement. That to is YOUR right, and while I'd recommend otherwise, I wouldn't stop you from doing so. Check? Are we good on that point now?
I will never be so ignorant as to relinquish my rights as granted by the U.S. Constitution and allow the government to wade unabated into my thoughts, memories and extensions thereof, without my express permission to do so. And I say that knowing that my neighbors next door are on the local police force as well that friends and family work for the State Police. Even THEY say, "Don't do it!" That if you truly understand your rights- "Why would you deny yourself the privilege of taking a step back and talking to a lawyer FIRST?!"
We definitely live in different "circles". Mines called, Reality
....We definitely live in different "circles". Mines called, Reality
I was all ready to say that you were doing so good and then messed it all up with the last comment ..... then I saw the smily face.
But I will point something out anyway. In past topics related to cops I have found that there seem to be many people who have very different views toward cops then I have. I think it boils down to environment, big city America vs rural America. Just like you have friends and family who are cops, I grew up with cops around. I graduated from a school with a graduating class of 60. 60 people in your senior class is small, it's intimate. 60 is small enough that every kid knows every other kid in your grade level and most in the adjacent levels. So there is this cops kid who I go to school with and play football with. His dad, the cop, is there to watch the games and is helping buy pizza at the pizza place after the game. It's a very different level of familiarity in a small town situation vice the big city.
And times were different when I grew up and that must also have an impact. But the point being, the different circles thing is real and there are more than just one reality.
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There are even automated tools to do this, and if you think the government hasn't used this type of tactic in the past you are damn wrong!
I know for a FACT that a systems administrator for an agency did frame another employee for doing some things by using altered time stamps and recreating some files.
This has been discussed extensively at some of the black hat conferences.
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I couldn't agree more! And that continues to beg the question- Why, in any of the circles, would anyone willingly subvert their already presumed innocence by potentially and unwittingly fouling the waters with evidence that leads to perhaps more questions and further suspicion without first having had discussions with legal counsel?
Even my kids know better than to freely offer up leads I can use to unravel their half truths.
Web portals to communicate with their teachers and school administrators 24/7, call logs, browser histories, system logs/caches, etc. Electronic surveillance and evidence gathering has made my life as a parent so much easier!Ask for their phone or laptop and it's all, "Why?! Wha-what'dya need it for?"
Ah, the sound of the "guilty" never sounded so sweeeetI should have noted this a little more it was a governmental intelligence/law enforcement agency.
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A friend of mine is currently serving a 5 year sentence for pictures of Marijuana plants he had on his phone. He used to carry a medical card, which expired. The photos were from a few years prior to his arrest and the accusation that he was selling drugs.
So.
Well now we know why BOOnie world law is so fucked...BOOnie world is not in the U.S. and BOOnie doesn't understand U.S. law (thus his love of guilty till proven innocent)
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If I can prove my innocence by displaying the evidence or an alibi I will do that in a heart beat. I don't enjoy being under false suspicion let alone sit in jail for the time they figure it out.
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That can't be true. Nobody gets arrested for pictures lol. He did something else and this was circumstantial evidence. Your friend was obviously hanging around in a drug ring - his own fault.
Like I said - you only need to hide if you have something incriminating in your phone. Your friend was foolish enough to take pictures of illegal contraband showing proof that he was taking part in their cultivation. Someone else has pictures of kiddies in questionable situations on their phone. Yeah, that can and SHOULD land you in trouble.
Me - I haven't got a worry in the world. That's one of the benefits of keeping it clean.
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Yes B00nie world has honest and trustworthy cops that people can depend on to do their jobs properly. B00nie world has the highest education rate in the world, social security and free medical services for everyone. Yes, even foreigners that come here.
I think I prefer it here.
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If someone wants to frame you, they can and will. Evidence can be always planted in places where you can't hide them.
Most of the cases anyway are just normal criminals that create wild lies about being framed. The classic 'I don't know how that joint ended up in my pocket, officer!'.
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We definitely live in different "circles". Mines called, Reality
Yours is called a fucking nightmare. I wouldn't want to live in constant paranoia and fear of being prosecuted for something I didn't do.
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They way you brag about your life to everyone else here and tell everyone they are trashy druggies, really is kind of painting a less-than-perfect image of you. You seem to get really worked up which is making me assume you really do have some pent up anger issues.
You might not be doing anything illegal, but insulting everyone doesn't make you a good person either, not a criminal, but not a role model by any means.
Like I said, I don't distrust every cop I see, I just don't automatically think every stranger has my best interests at heart. I grew up in a small city of 50k and very low crime rate. I have also seen areas that are much worse.
Where I live now, I keep a handgun nice and handy. There are bad people in the world and in such a scenario, I don't have time to wait for a cop to show up when they can (I live in the country so its about 20mins+ for a sherrif). Our cops are quite friendly and helpful out here, I like them. But I don't depend on them.
Good people and bad people exist everywhere, statistically you likely have eaten lunch next to a murder or rapist or child molester. Scary thought is the same people can be in the police force, schools, medical field etc etc.
Maybe it is healthy for you to trust every person you meet, I disagree, but our life experiences have created this difference.
By the way, what is this magical place you live where cops have never committed crimes? I am curious to look up some statistics of it to back your statements.
Man, you are a nut job, at least most on this forum seem to understand that you do not talk to cops when they are investigating you. You talk to your laywer and they talk to the cops man, you do not know shit about the law compared to them.
I am guessing you live in Singapore, and man I hope your right, because you won't here anything about police corruption if they search you legally and find something they can charge you with even if you did not know you had it.
Also, why are you exporting your expections to a foreign country (the USA) and telling people to act like you do, that is insane man, don't be a shit, adapt to the country around you, or at least to the country your talking about.
That would be the same place he's pulling his ideals and illogic from... Fantasy Land.
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I only go by on what they posted themselves. You can tell a lot about the conclusions they take. Anger issues? Now that's inventive.
Again, I went by what they posted. If you're scared that your car might have illegal contraband or other evidence on it, you must live in a whole different world from me. Either you're a criminal yourself or you hang around with ones.
I never said cops never committed any crimes. There is a quite public trial at the moment against the head of the drug enforcement agency. I said I can trust them to do their jobs properly - and so do most of the citizens of Finland according to studies. http://stat.fi/ajk/satavuotiassuomi/suomimaailmankarjessa_en.html
Also the agencies have strict policies on data access and if anyone makes unauthorized queries to the police/medical/customs database they get caught red handed. There have been numerous prosecutions where cops or medics were checking the background of a neighbor or childs boyfriend etc. They were slapped with penalties immediately.
Having said that I believe fully that by definition if you refuse to show evidence on base of not having to incriminate yourself - you have something incriminating there to hide. In the case of a child molester having proof of his sick doings on the phone... I truly believe that anyone that's being accused of such a horrid thing would do anything to clear their reputation.
Perhaps in the U.S. you have to be scared of the government and have to protect yourself with the default assumption that you're being treated hostile and unprofessionally. Actually the millions of inmates you have currently are some sort of a testament of that.
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That would be the same place he's pulling his ideals and illogic from... Fantasy Land.
That would be the same place where you can pull your foot out of your mouth.
You dont get the basic premise and are either unwilling to or are just blind to the facts. Either way its pretty clear you have an unrealistic world view and are just making shit up.
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NickJames
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How wrong you are. You have to realize things aren't fucked up everywhere on this planet
And you have to realize that not everyone and everywhere is perfect.
Also..
Population
• July 2016 estimate
5,488,543
Perhaps we have good reason to be suspicious of our law enforcement personnel. Even you seem to have hedged your position with this latest acknowledgement that our nation leading the world in incarceration rates might actually speak to some sort of a problem...you think?
Your latest reveal does beg the question of why you thought it appropriate to not divulge the fact that you are not a US citizen or residing in the US when questioning US citizens in a thread discussing US law, rights, and punishments. In polite conversation, at least here in the US, that is considered disingenuous.
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Fair enough. However I think it's absolutely disgusting what the pedophiles do and I would have no problem to force them wave their rights to catch them.
Why don't to just say FBI, they are the only agency that crosses those boundaries between LE and Intel.
Now others LE agencies do have their own Intel, but their Intel is LE Intel, not Military National Defense kind of Intel like the CIA, NSA, NGA, DIA, etc.
How wrong you are. You have to realize things aren't fucked up everywhere on this planet
Really?
I bet you could name any little country or island that you think isn't fucked up, and I can find a decent and similar area of the US that is just as good. And I also bet I can still find some of the same fucked up shit happening their as well.
And, I also think we make things look worse then they really are on many occasions because it sells.
As long as homo sapiens is around, something is getting fucked up cause that is just what we do.
Nature of the beast.
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Honestly, I want suspected murderers and rapists molesters thieves etc etc to receive the same treatment as suspected innocents until proven they are guilty. Rights are rights because they are not supposed to be just taken away.
People love to use the pedo example to argue with, its fair, it brings up the most emotion typically in people. But judgement cannot be made on emotion, only facts.
Ive seen a few cases in my lifetime where a boy or girl has falsely accused their teacher of touching them. The public reaction is to just hang the teacher at first word of this, no trial no investigation. This is why I am glad there are trials. Sad as it is, typically those teachers lives and careers are devastated due to this because you carry with you the "accused of sexual assault with a minor" forever.
Feel like I got off topic a little there but really was just going toward the we have to treat everyone fairly on the judicial side of things or we end up just doing a roman Colosseum style voting live or die as a group and not bothering with investigation.
TL;DR Don't let your feelings make decisions like that.
We prefer to convict them first, after as fair a trial as we can offer.
Then we do really bad things to them, like lock them up with several thousand other individuals, who are as uninhibited as themselves