DuckDuckGo, ChatGPT search and Microsoft Copilot down due to Bing API issue

that's funny because i was just on reddit talking to someone about using mojeek but being they are new sometimes they are hit or miss but you would still get results that would come up that you wouldn't see on google or even duck due to all the corporate sponsored links and fact checked non-sense and the official mojeek account chimed in and told me something about that being because duck duck go is basically just Bing. i didn't know that.
 
Interesting that DuckDuckGo Search advertises itself as privacy focused..but this is news to me with its ties to Bing..... ugh... what to use now
 
jlbenedict said:
Interesting that DuckDuckGo Search advertises itself as privacy focused..but this is news to me with its ties to Bing..... ugh... what to use now
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Duckduckgo can use Bing api without feeding it anything about the user I think, yes that would mean Microsoft know what people search for but not know who did, DuckDuckGo pay Microsoft to use their service there is no necessarily a need to involve ads/data (at least in that part of the transaction).

microsoft collaboration always have been public, they have their own crawler, but rely a lot on bing:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/

Brave Search also used the bingapi for a while (seem to have had quite the decline since they stopped to pay)
 
jlbenedict said:
Interesting that DuckDuckGo Search advertises itself as privacy focused..but this is news to me with its ties to Bing..... ugh... what to use now
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Microsoft allows API access but does have options to do so with no data upload.
It’s how they support enterprise clients, Microsoft would have more lawsuits lined up than even it could handle if CoPilot was uploading business data for mining. In the Microsoft agreements they make it very clear they don’t collect user data nor train on it to maintain their security status. It’s one of the key factors that differentiate it from ChatGPT.
 
Lakados said:
Microsoft would have more lawsuits lined up
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Here in this case it would be 100% on DuckDuckGo, Microsoft cannot know what DuckDuckGo does not actively tell them about you the user....
 
Lakados said:
Microsoft allows API access but does have options to do so with no data upload.
It’s how they support enterprise clients, Microsoft would have more lawsuits lined up than even it could handle if CoPilot was uploading business data for mining. In the Microsoft agreements they make it very clear they don’t collect user data nor train on it to maintain their security status. It’s one of the key factors that differentiate it from ChatGPT.
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Business data being the keyword here.

They play fast and loose with personal data like everyone else. Maybe even worse than the rest. (we poor regular folks don't have the same means to review EULA's and other legal agreements and sue them)

DuckDuckGo being the intermediary is what saves it.
 
jlbenedict said:
Interesting that DuckDuckGo Search advertises itself as privacy focused..but this is news to me with its ties to Bing..... ugh... what to use now
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Brave search completely ditched the Bing API last year. They use their own indexing now.
 
Armenius said:
Brave search completely ditched the Bing API last year. They use their own indexing now.
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If you prefer ML/AI ads targeting....

Brave has pioneered a new breed of privacy-respecting targeting that is matched directly on the user’s device (aka “client-side”), without any personal data phoning home to Brave’s servers. To achieve targeting at scale in a privacy-respecting capacity, Brave Ads uses on-device machine learning to anonymously match users to relevant ads. The system is built by leading privacy engineers with a range of cryptographic technologies that ensure that no personally-identifiable data ever leaves the user’s device. Contrary to other major ad tech providers who suck up as much personal data as they can, Brave only ever sees anonymous data.

Each of Brave’s ad units has a unique approach to achieve varying levels of ad relevance with the end user:

Does anyone think they are not just anonymous numbers in the google-bing machine ? That the issue is a lack of anonymity toward those people ?
 
Lakados said:
Microsoft allows API access but does have options to do so with no data upload.
It’s how they support enterprise clients, Microsoft would have more lawsuits lined up than even it could handle if CoPilot was uploading business data for mining. In the Microsoft agreements they make it very clear they don’t collect user data nor train on it to maintain their security status. It’s one of the key factors that differentiate it from ChatGPT.
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Oh that's what I thought, too, but be careful with that. It may not apply to all Microsoft services and it is only if businesses opt-in. Watch for pop-ups where you accept data collection. Never trust big-tech that they won't slip in a loophole to spy on you.

For example the Azure OpenAI service does "abuse monitoring and human review" on your data. You can ask for a waiver:
"If Microsoft approves a customer's request to modify abuse monitoring, then Microsoft does not store any prompts and completions associated with the approved Azure subscription for which abuse monitoring is configured off. In this case, because no prompts and completions are stored at rest in the Service Results Store, the human review process is not possible and is not performed."
 
sleepeeg3 said:
Oh that's what I thought, too, but be careful with that. It may not apply to all Microsoft services and it is only if businesses opt-in. Watch for pop-ups where you accept data collection. Never trust big-tech that they won't slip in a loophole to spy on you.

For example the Azure OpenAI service does "abuse monitoring and human review" on your data. You can ask for a waiver:
"If Microsoft approves a customer's request to modify abuse monitoring, then Microsoft does not store any prompts and completions associated with the approved Azure subscription for which abuse monitoring is configured off. In this case, because no prompts and completions are stored at rest in the Service Results Store, the human review process is not possible and is not performed."
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In our case that is all managed in Intune as part of the preferences and best practices so users don’t even get that option you build your profile and push it out and the systems act accordingly. If Microsoft were to mess with those profiles, sweet baby Jesus would there be lawsuits, even if it was done by accident. That would auto enroll government, education, special interest, corporate… That would be one hell of a problem.

But yes still got to watch, they do send out notifications to admins about new settings but so far they have always defaulted to off and not enrolled.
 
LukeTbk said:
If you prefer ML/AI ads targeting....

Brave has pioneered a new breed of privacy-respecting targeting that is matched directly on the user’s device (aka “client-side”), without any personal data phoning home to Brave’s servers. To achieve targeting at scale in a privacy-respecting capacity, Brave Ads uses on-device machine learning to anonymously match users to relevant ads. The system is built by leading privacy engineers with a range of cryptographic technologies that ensure that no personally-identifiable data ever leaves the user’s device. Contrary to other major ad tech providers who suck up as much personal data as they can, Brave only ever sees anonymous data.

Each of Brave’s ad units has a unique approach to achieve varying levels of ad relevance with the end user:

Does anyone think they are not just anonymous numbers in the google-bing machine ? That the issue is a lack of anonymity toward those people ?
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You can opt-out by going to search settings.

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Armenius said:
You can opt-out by going to search settings.
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That really not the part (outside the really intense) would care about versus brave running a local AI that look at everything you do, to target ads to your personality.

The on server, answer to a question you write is completely different and "fine" (except for the anti-AI crowd).

There is excellent search service that are paid, for example:
https://kagi.com/

If you do not pay for your search, how it could possibly work (tax payer money ?) to be any better than say bing
 
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