Disney Wants to Dump Star Wars Boss Kathleen Kennedy, but There’s a Problem

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I’m too lazy to look, but I seem to remember hearing Solo had to make $400-$450 million to break even. The marketing costs were roughly $150 million IIRC and the movie budget was $250 million IIRC.
A quick and easy way to figure out the break even point for a movie is to double the production budget. It isn't always accurate, but it is usually close enough. The low-end estimate of Solo's budget was $250 million. So they would need, at least, $500m to reach the break even point. Could very well be much higher than that however as they effectively shot the entire movie twice and did several script rewrites.
 

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I watched VII (at home) and fell asleep thru quite a bit of it and couldn't be bothered to go back and watch it. I suppose I'll check out VIII now that it's on Netflix and expect much the same. Between Anakin in episodes II & III and Kylo Ren in VII, I can't take much more of the teen angst.
Like slavery and ownership of women...
The irony of your generalizing wasn't lost on me.
 

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When the Thrawn series came out, I bought each book and finished it the day of release.

However, for those viewing that series with nostalgic glasses, I invite you to read them (or any of Zahn’s books) again. You’ll be shocked at how bad they are. THRAWN was a great character but the rest....
I loved the original Thrawn trilogy when it came out and I still love it now. I've read and re-read it quite a few times over the years. My son just recently read it as well. I warned him from the beginning that in a way the series is "rough". The storyline throughout the series is good but the writing itself is rough. The reason so many people like the trilogy is simply because it's a good continuation building off the events of The Return of the Jedi. Everything in it works in the setting of the Star Wars Universe. The well known characters are still themselves but at the same time show growth from what they were but none of them are torn down or re-worked.

The events in the trilogy aren't some super huge massive change to the galaxy to make everything bigger and better such as what happened with the Vong storyline and later. Zahn also came up with some new characters which were interesting in many ways while not having to be some sort of caricature good or bad guys. He also introduces us to different aspects of the Star Wars Universe which are believable such as Karrde's organization and other shady or underworld enterprises. It's something you know has to be there and he just sheds a bit of light on it. He's a very well written character.

Then you have Mara Jade. She's not evil although she has managed to do some evil things in her time. She has a hatred of Luke which in her point of view is fully justifiable. Her growth as a character involves her looking beyond her certain point of view.

After that you have the main character of the series, Thrawn. His introduction is explained in a way which is completely plausible. As a character he's extremely intriguing simply because he doesn't have any special superhuman powers but at the same time is as much or more of a threat than the Emperor or Vader ever were. He's not evil, his intentions are not evil and his actions are not evil.

This trilogy is the epitome of the continuation of Star Wars how it should be. It tells a good, believable story with a perfect fit into the Star Wars Universe. Old characters are treated with respect and the growth of those characters makes sense. New characters are introduced and are well written. It expands a little on parts of the Star Wars Universe we had not previously seen or only had glimpses of. I say again that the writing is definitely rough overall but the stories, characters and expansions of the Universe fit the Universe. I'll also agree with Dan_D that the ending of the trilogy regarding Luuke and Mara Jade was lacking but it wasn't bad and still a lot better than what we've seen from Episodes 7 and 8.

The Zahn trilogy wasn't a masterpiece of writing but overall it was a perfect fit for the Star Wars Universe. Episodes 4, 5 and 6 weren't masterpieces of writing either but those movies spawned a multi-generation following and created a lot of enjoyment for a lot of people and Zahn's trilogy follows the same pattern.
 

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I'm not threatened by "The Force is Female"... I just want a damn good movie like the original 3. And I'll even say Episode III and Rogue One were good, too. So its not impossible, its just that the their batting average of good movies to all they've made lately would get them demoted to Single-A, and this franchise is too old to be in the minors.
What Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk fail to grasp is that our problems with TFA and TLJ have nothing to do with Rey's gender, Finn's skin color, Rose being Asian or even Admiral Holdo's hair color. The issues with the film come from making unlikable characters with no depth and making the main character a Mary Sue with no plausible explanation for it. We take issue with them shitting on the universe, it's more, it's history and the characters many of us grew up with.

There was no deference or respect for the source material. Events in the new films aren't a logical continuation of the existing films. The Last Jedi is bad because it violates just about every rule about writing literature or making films. Plot lines and questions go unresolved, characters are inconsistent with established behavior with no exposition as to the reasoning for it.

Physics has always been somewhat loosely adhered to in Star Wars, but TLJ took it too far by making mistakes even a third grade student can point out. When important plot elements hinge on a flawed understanding of physics that doesn't even make sense to flat Earthers, your story breaks down on every level. It doesn't work. TLJ wouldn't even fly as B grade science fiction. It's not only a bad Star Wars film but a bad movie by any standard.
 

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I loved the original Thrawn trilogy when it came out and I still love it now. I've read and re-read it quite a few times over the years. My son just recently read it as well. I warned him from the beginning that in a way the series is "rough". The storyline throughout the series is good but the writing itself is rough. The reason so many people like the trilogy is simply because it's a good continuation building off the events of The Return of the Jedi. Everything in it works in the setting of the Star Wars Universe. The well known characters are still themselves but at the same time show growth from what they were but none of them are torn down or re-worked.

The events in the trilogy aren't some super huge massive change to the galaxy to make everything bigger and better such as what happened with the Vong storyline and later. Zahn also came up with some new characters which were interesting in many ways while not having to be some sort of caricature good or bad guys. He also introduces us to different aspects of the Star Wars Universe which are believable such as Karrde's organization and other shady or underworld enterprises. It's something you know has to be there and he just sheds a bit of light on it. He's a very well written character.

Then you have Mara Jade. She's not evil although she has managed to do some evil things in her time. She has a hatred of Luke which in her point of view is fully justifiable. Her growth as a character involves her looking beyond her certain point of view.

After that you have the main character of the series, Thrawn. His introduction is explained in a way which is completely plausible. As a character he's extremely intriguing simply because he doesn't have any special superhuman powers but at the same time is as much or more of a threat than the Emperor or Vader ever were. He's not evil, his intentions are not evil and his actions are not evil.

This trilogy is the epitome of the continuation of Star Wars how it should be. It tells a good, believable story with a perfect fit into the Star Wars Universe. Old characters are treated with respect and the growth of those characters makes sense. New characters are introduced and are well written. It expands a little on parts of the Star Wars Universe we had not previously seen or only had glimpses of. I say again that the writing is definitely rough overall but the stories, characters and expansions of the Universe fit the Universe. I'll also agree with Dan_D that the ending of the trilogy regarding Luuke and Mara Jade was lacking but it wasn't bad and still a lot better than what we've seen from Episodes 7 and 8.

The Zahn trilogy wasn't a masterpiece of writing but overall it was a perfect fit for the Star Wars Universe. Episodes 4, 5 and 6 weren't masterpieces of writing either but those movies spawned a multi-generation following and created a lot of enjoyment for a lot of people and Zahn's trilogy follows the same pattern.
Oh, don't get me wrong - the Thrawn Trilogy movies would be Citizen Kane compared to the garbage Disney released. However, we're also forgetting one key fact - it takes place within a handful of years after RotJ, so if it were made today, ALL of our beloved characters would need to be recast.
 
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A quick and easy way to figure out the break even point for a movie is to double the production budget. It isn't always accurate, but it is usually close enough. The low-end estimate of Solo's budget was $250 million. So they would need, at least, $500m to reach the break even point. Could very well be much higher than that however as they effectively shot the entire movie twice and did several script rewrites.
Gotta love it when they say solo didn't crash because of boycott... That is hard to believe, Solo is ( was? ) One of the most important and loved characters of SW... It should have been a blow out.
 

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Oh, don't get me wrong - the Thrawn Trilogy movies would be Citizen Kane compared to the garbage Disney released. However, we're also forgetting one key fact - it takes place within a handful of years after RotJ, so if it were made today, ALL of our beloved characters would need to be recast.
That's why you won't hear me saying anything about those books needing to be the basis for new movies. The only time those books could have been used for movies was when they came out. Around that time the actors could have portrayed those in the books and possibly adjusted the time the books were set after the original movies. I've already stated many times that the Zahn trilogy couldn't be the movies we're looking for at this point in time. Those books would have been the perfect starting point for more movies but we're waaaaaaay past time they could be made.

The only thing I was defending was the books, not that the books should be made into movies. Even though those books have rough writing in them they have the "Spirit of Star Wars" which the new movies do not have in my opinion.
 

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Gotta love it when they say solo didn't crash because of boycott... That is hard to believe, Solo is ( was? ) One of the most important and loved characters of SW... It should have been a blow out.
Outrage over The Last Jedi as well as bad press over SJW crap in Solo, and its troubled production history were all a big part of that. Disney cited franchise fatigue, which is bullshit. I think people are simply tired of the fact that most Star Wars films are bad. Many of us have a soft spot for the original trilogy, but all the prequels were bad and Rogue One was polarizing. TFA was mediocre and made worse by the follow up film failing to address certain points of the earlier film fans had issues with.

Out of 10 films, only four or five are worth a shit at best. That's the reason for franchise fatigue and that's why people aren't going to spend a ton of money and take their kids to see these films anymore.

Let's not forget the negative impact of social media either. All the crap about Lando being pansexual is a turn off for fans. Even if you are tolerant, it wasn't right to change the character. Kathleen Kennedy and her cronieshave said some pretty stupid things and then doubled down on the dumb afterwards. All that shit has put people off to these films. Episode IX is shaping up to be a disaster as well.
 

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I don't know where some of the numbers you're using are coming from, but Solo did *NOT* lose money:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

Solo cost ~250 Million to Produce.

Domestic: $207,279,115 56.2%
+ Foreign: $161,715,168 43.8%
= Worldwide: $368,994,283

No, it's not a cash cow that Disney wants, but that's still a profit.
You haven't been paying attention. Marketing and other costs damn near double the production costs. It's been said that Solo needed to hit close to the 500 million mark to be profitable.
 

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I don't know where some of the numbers you're using are coming from, but Solo did *NOT* lose money:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

Solo cost ~250 Million to Produce.

Domestic: $207,279,115 56.2%
+ Foreign: $161,715,168 43.8%
= Worldwide: $368,994,283

No, it's not a cash cow that Disney wants, but that's still a profit.
That's not an actual profit. A 250 mil production isn't even going to break even with a 370 mil box office. They only make a fraction of the box office take. In addition, that 250 mil doesn't take into account advertising or distribution costs. The basic calculation for point of profit is roughly 2x production cost.
 

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I fail to see how this situation is so dire. Solo was a flop. The rest of their films were pretty wild successes and they all reached a billion WW box office.

Finish the new trilogy and be ultra selective with your spin off films. Keep the TV, Games, Merch and EU stuff going and drip feed the films. Don't overload us and everyone will be happy.

Edit: Also, the Vong series was the best star wars story of them all and is basically the reason for everything.
 
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I don't know where some of the numbers you're using are coming from, but Solo did *NOT* lose money:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

Solo cost ~250 Million to Produce.

Domestic: $207,279,115 56.2%
+ Foreign: $161,715,168 43.8%
= Worldwide: $368,994,283

No, it's not a cash cow that Disney wants, but that's still a profit.
https://www.google.com/amp/wegotthi...tar-wars-story-not-break-even-box-office/amp/

They’re estimating $500 million to break even. You’re not accounting for marketing, distribution, etc. So it looks like Solo will end up losing $100 million or so in all likelihood.
 

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Outrage over The Last Jedi as well as bad press over SJW crap in Solo, and its troubled production history were all a big part of that. Disney cited franchise fatigue, which is bullshit. I think people are simply tired of the fact that most Star Wars films are bad. Many of us have a soft spot for the original trilogy, but all the prequels were bad and Rogue One was polarizing. TFA was mediocre and made worse by the follow up film failing to address certain points of the earlier film fans had issues with.

Out of 10 films, only four or five are worth a shit at best. That's the reason for franchise fatigue and that's why people aren't going to spend a ton of money and take their kids to see these films anymore.

Let's not forget the negative impact of social media either. All the crap about Lando being pansexual is a turn off for fans. Even if you are tolerant, it wasn't right to change the character. Kathleen Kennedy and her cronieshave said some pretty stupid things and then doubled down on the dumb afterwards. All that shit has put people off to these films. Episode IX is shaping up to be a disaster as well.
I hate to break it to you but the original trilogy aren't some master theatrical pieces. It is a standard hero's journey set in space. It hit the jackpot with ground breaking special effects and cool toys for kids to ask their parents for.

If Star Wars was released today it would either be a flop or a mild here today gone tomorrow success.

Also, no one wants movies set 3000 years in the past like KOTOR. Those would flop.

Lastly, I am not sure why Disney doesn't just shut it down. Star Wars fans will not like anything that is released... it is just the way it is. Hell George Lucas was screamed at with phrases like "raper of childhoods".
 

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Stick a fork in Disney. It's long past time. At their age and size they can't drop the political BS and just make fun content. They can't do it anymore. "Let it go..."
 

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I hate to break it to you but the original trilogy aren't some master theatrical pieces. It is a standard hero's journey set in space. It hit the jackpot with ground breaking special effects and cool toys for kids to ask their parents for.

If Star Wars was released today it would either be a flop or a mild here today gone tomorrow success.

Also, no one wants movies set 3000 years in the past like KOTOR. Those would flop.

Lastly, I am not sure why Disney doesn't just shut it down. Star Wars fans will not like anything that is released... it is just the way it is. Hell George Lucas was screamed at with phrases like "raper of childhoods".
I love to break it to you but the original trilogy was a master theatrical piece. They took a simple concept and molded it into a huge universe which is still alive and followed by millions to this day. Millions who want more of that universe. One of the greatest points of the original trilogy is that they kept it simple. Wonderful special effects aren't the reason the movies are great. The special effects are only part of it. It was a fun story with good characters you can easily relate to.

The only thing the new movies have in common are special effects. Nothing else transitioned over. I didn't find Han to be very likable in The Force Awakens. I think The Last Jedi would have been better without Leia. Luke is a damn travesty. Rey's character is completely unbelievable. Finn started as a bumbling idiot trope but eventually became watchable by the end of TFA but is made useless in TLJ. Poe is introduced to us as a smart, funny, and likable guy who gets the job done in TFA but is portrayed as an out of control moron in TLJ. Kylo Ren is a petulant, moody child who would manage to burn water 99 times out 100 and doesn't change except for his very first scene. How they managed to screw him up after his first scene, I'll never know. It's as if that scene was written by a completely different person than the rest of the movie. Rose from TLJ is just fucking horrible. She adds nothing positive to the movie. There's also no real story. Despite the fact that Star Wars was supposed to be a single standalone movie, they managed to keep a storyline going from that to Empire. There's really no overarching story between TFA and TLJ. There was some fun to TFA but with TLJ I was mostly bored. There was also some suspense to TFA but none to TLJ. Maybe some people think otherwise but for me, worrying about running out of gas simply isn't very suspenseful.

I disagree with your premise that if Star Wars had been released today instead of 40 years ago it would flop. A fun story set in an interesting universe which you can lose yourself in would still be a hit.

I disagree with your reasoning for saying a KOTOR type movie would be a flop. I think the only reason it wouldn't be as big is because most people don't know that particular time in the Star Wars Universe that well. However, that may be the perfect reason for doing some movies like that. People are getting sick of what they've done with the "modern" Star Wars storyline. Also, that older setting allows for different types of battles and fights. The one thing I hear about over and over about the prequels is how great the fights were. By the time of the prequels, the Jedi were basically a shadow of what they had been. The way the KOTOR era has been setup allows for situations and events we haven't seen before. Sure, almost all of that has been thrown out as canon but that doesn't mean they can't work it right back in. Keep in mind that era of the Universe has many different situations and events to work with based on the Extended Universe material. We have a Sith Empire, Jedi vs Jedi events, Sith vs Jedi, the Mandalorian War and much more. As far as action and adventure goes, it makes the modern portion of the universe (the movies) look boring.

I'd love to see a standalone movie done during that time period. If it does well they would always be able to continue that in possibly another trilogy or just continue standalone movies each focusing on a different event and may not even need to share characters. It would be a great way to expand the universe easily.
 

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I hate to break it to you but the original trilogy aren't some master theatrical pieces. It is a standard hero's journey set in space. It hit the jackpot with ground breaking special effects and cool toys for kids to ask their parents for.

If Star Wars was released today it would either be a flop or a mild here today gone tomorrow success.

Also, no one wants movies set 3000 years in the past like KOTOR. Those would flop.

Lastly, I am not sure why Disney doesn't just shut it down. Star Wars fans will not like anything that is released... it is just the way it is. Hell George Lucas was screamed at with phrases like "raper of childhoods".
I don't disagree with you. Nostalgia is a big part of why the first three are revered today. However, those films have a certain charm to them. They were the right movies at the right time, but I have to disagree with you about people not liking anything "Star Wars" that's recently released. The Clone Wars series and Star Wars Rebels did very well and are liked by many of the fans. You can release new Star Wars material today and make it not suck. Kathleen Kennedy, Rian "Anti-climactic" Johnson and JJ "I hate White People" Abrams just haven't figured out how to do that. Dave Filoni figured it out. Several novelists, and game developers figured out how to do good Star Wars stories over the years. I don't think it's as hard to please the fans as you do.
 
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I don't disagree with you. Nostalgia is a big part of why the first three are revered today. However, those films have a certain charm to them. They were the right movies at the right time, but I have to disagree with you about people not liking anything "Star Wars" that's recently released. The Clone Wars series and Star Wars Rebels did very well and are liked by many of the fans. You can release new Star Wars material today and make it not suck. Kathleen Kennedy, Rian "Anti-climactic" Johnson and JJ "I hate White People" Abrams just haven't figured out how to do that. Dave Filoni figured it out. Several novelists, and game developers figured out how to do good Star Wars stories over the years. I don't think it's as hard to please the fans as you do.
Have to agree with you on every point of this. With the animated clone wars(both series) and Rebels, I cringed a little in the beginning and by the end was anxiously awaiting each next episode. Once S4 Rebels drops in price I'll be ordering it in an instant. Already binged it 2x from DVR. One of my personal favorite games was PS2/Xbox Bounty Hunter. Playing it through was like a movie unto itself. Really is a shame so many can't focus on just telling a fun story instead of trying to appease whatever the latest political faction/fashion is.
 

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Episode IX we can learn that all of Episode used toilet paper was a Force Dream Kylo was having about 1 possible future... with all the shit they did to Luke, just Kylo's fantasies...
 

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Episode IX we can learn that all of Episode used toilet paper was a Force Dream Kylo was having about 1 possible future... with all the shit they did to Luke, just Kylo's fantasies...
Pulling a "Dallas" is about the only way out of the corner Rian Johnson painted them into. (In shit I might add.)
 

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What you are "whining" about has been part of the human condition for hundreds of thousands of years. America was one of the leading nations to end slavery over 150 years ago. American women are as free as any women in the history of the world. Implying that somehow the American culture needs saving by insipid SJW's is one of the great lies progressives tell. It is the malaise that is killing the Star Wars franchise. SJW's are like the dinosaurs immediately after the asteroid. They are still walking around and talking but the backlash has begun. In a few years they will be politically extinct.
You're reading too much into my one-sentence post.

I'm just not a fan of the phrase "good old values" as there is no such thing.
 

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I think i had more fun reading SW threads here, and watching independent reviews on you tube than watching the actual movies. Sorry.
 

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I don't disagree with you. Nostalgia is a big part of why the first three are revered today. However, those films have a certain charm to them. They were the right movies at the right time, but I have to disagree with you about people not liking anything "Star Wars" that's recently released. The Clone Wars series and Star Wars Rebels did very well and are liked by many of the fans. You can release new Star Wars material today and make it not suck. Kathleen Kennedy, Rian "Anti-climactic" Johnson and JJ "I hate White People" Abrams just haven't figured out how to do that. Dave Filoni figured it out. Several novelists, and game developers figured out how to do good Star Wars stories over the years. I don't think it's as hard to please the fans as you do.
You realize that Rebels was entirely produced under Disney, right?
 

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HOW has no one made an reference like "Time for Order 66 of Kennedy and her followers".

You guys are slipping. I'd expect a Order 66 meme with Iger by now.
 

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You realize that Rebels was entirely produced under Disney, right?
I never said anything about Disney in the post you quoted. Disney by itself isn't the problem. If anything, Disney was too "hands off" with Star Wars after acquiring Lucasfilm and it's subsidiaries.
 

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I think i had more fun reading SW threads here, and watching independent reviews on you tube than watching the actual movies. Sorry.
Don't apologise to me lol. The one you owe an apology to is Lucas Films.
 

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I never said anything about Disney in the post you quoted. Disney by itself isn't the problem. If anything, Disney was too "hands off" with Star Wars after acquiring Lucasfilm and it's subsidiaries.
Indeed. I do not blame Disney directly either. They can make good movies too, their Marvel superhero saga standing as proof. Yeah there may be way too many of them but even worst one of those is an entertaining popcorn flick and all of them have carefully thought out continuity between the movies. I wish I could say the same from their Star Wars films...

Disney gave too much power to KK and her goons. And now its too late to intervene. They have trouble getting rid of her without causing a major shitstorm, and most of all the damage is already done to the franchise. The sequel trilogy is ruined for good unless they go for rebooy and I don't see that happening in many years, if ever.
 

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Indeed. I do not blame Disney directly either. They can make good movies too, their Marvel superhero saga standing as proof. Yeah there may be way too many of them but even worst one of those is an entertaining popcorn flick and all of them have carefully thought out continuity between the movies. I wish I could say the same from their Star Wars films...

Disney gave too much power to KK and her goons. And now its too late to intervene. They have trouble getting rid of her without causing a major shitstorm, and most of all the damage is already done to the franchise. The sequel trilogy is ruined for good unless they go for rebooy and I don't see that happening in many years, if ever.
I think the success of Marvel's films is precisely why Marvel went hands off with Lucasfilm. Kathleen Kennedy was in place before George sold Star Wars. It made sense to stay hands off, especially given that TFA was financially successful. The issues didn't really pop up until Episode VIII. Now, Disney probably should have at least kept a better eye on things and squashed some of the behavior on social media as its wildly inappropriate all around. I agree that the current trilogy is basically fucked beyond repair. TFA has some plot holes and issues but could have been seen differently if those problems and questions were addressed in Episode VIII. Unfortunately, they doubled down on the stupidity and Episode VII is actually a worse film than it was upon release for it. Episode VIII has so many missteps and problems that it will completely taint Episode IX. I don't think JJ Abrams knows how to fix that mess and frankly, I don't think anyone could without ignoring Episode VIII entirely.
 
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I have no problem with remakes of movies with different actors but when they try too hard to imitate the past you get a fake movie.
 

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You're reading too much into my one-sentence post.

I'm just not a fan of the phrase "good old values" as there is no such thing.
"Good old values" like those values and traditions that have been shaped by tens of thousands of years of social evolution that effect the survival of the species? Just as the industrial revolution made the need for slaves obsolete some aspects of traditional practices also become archaic but "much" of those "good old values" have stood the test of time with respect to the survival of the human race and woe unto those who disrespect Charles Darwin...
 

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I fail to see how this situation is so dire. Solo was a flop. The rest of their films were pretty wild successes and they all reached a billion WW box office.
The Last Jedi made half what TFA did. It was also a divisive film which wasn't liked by many people.

Finish the new trilogy and be ultra selective with your spin off films. Keep the TV, Games, Merch and EU stuff going and drip feed the films. Don't overload us and everyone will be happy.
It isn't franchise fatigue or overload that's the problem. Marvel's various Comic based films come out at a rate of 2 or 3 per year and break records constantly. The problem with Star Wars isn't fatigue, it's that people are angry about TLJ.

IEdit: Also, the Vong series was the best star wars story of them all and is basically the reason for everything.
Utter horse shit. The Vong story is the most cliched and terrible story introduced into the EU ever. It's bad science fiction at its worst. It also doesn't "feel" like Star Wars either. Technophobic aliens that want to destroy technology? That's what you'd call the best Star Wars story of them all? You must not have read anything else. Its bad (as if there was ever good) fan fiction.
 

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They are already promoting ep9... Of this shit I feel fatigued. It is being promoted with "news" articles and cooked up social media. I am hating Disney. Well l, will keep modifying my feed.. it shit about SW shows up obviously due to my searches and shit Ive read, doesn't mean I want Disney ads in the form if shit news in my feed. Yes i think the only lesson they have learned is that SW movies needs more promotion, and more "viral" infection of social media for longer periods of time.. over a year even.
I starting to think this KK gone rumors have no basis in reality.. plus even if so ep9 has very little chance, if any at all. It should be boycotted even harder if anything.
 

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Indeed. I do not blame Disney directly either. They can make good movies too, their Marvel superhero saga standing as proof. Yeah there may be way too many of them but even worst one of those is an entertaining popcorn flick and all of them have carefully thought out continuity between the movies. I wish I could say the same from their Star Wars films...

Disney gave too much power to KK and her goons. And now its too late to intervene. They have trouble getting rid of her without causing a major shitstorm, and most of all the damage is already done to the franchise. The sequel trilogy is ruined for good unless they go for rebooy and I don't see that happening in many years, if ever.
I hope people (including me) can resist the temptation to see Episode IX and it bombs as a result. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film that 1) I only saw once in the theater and 2) Refused to buy when it came out on bluray.

I hear a lot about all the SJW stuff in the movie, but to me, it was just plain bad. TFA wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it built a good base that would've been expanded on greatly. Instead, an idiot like Rian Johnson takes over, throws it all away, and gives us Fast and Furious in space.

I think what really sunk Solo were the insults Disney hurled at fans critical of TLJ. I saw Solo and it was decent - better than TLJ. I really think that what Disney needs is to hire an ardent fan of the SW mythology as "Star Wars Czar," hire movie makers who share the vision, and then hire George Lucas as a story consultant. That way, Lucas could outline an amazing story whereas the other two guys can weed his dumber ideas (like Jar Jar) out.
 

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I hope people (including me) can resist the temptation to see Episode IX and it bombs as a result. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film that 1) I only saw once in the theater and 2) Refused to buy when it came out on bluray.

I hear a lot about all the SJW stuff in the movie, but to me, it was just plain bad. TFA wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it built a good base that would've been expanded on greatly. Instead, an idiot like Rian Johnson takes over, throws it all away, and gives us Fast and Furious in space.

I think what really sunk Solo were the insults Disney hurled at fans critical of TLJ. I saw Solo and it was decent - better than TLJ. I really think that what Disney needs is to hire an ardent fan of the SW mythology as "Star Wars Czar," hire movie makers who share the vision, and then hire George Lucas as a story consultant. That way, Lucas could outline an amazing story whereas the other two guys can weed his dumber ideas (like Jar Jar) out.
I think, in the end it was about respect. I don't think any of the movies or the writing have been approached with respect. None of them. It shows, it just shows more in TLJ. I think you can see how a movie was approached with deep respect to the work itself, hence to the audience too... you can see it in Coco, or Moana for example. With Star Wars, too me all of them under Disney is like they don't give a shit, its almost like they think everyone is going to eat whatever shit is put in front of them with no repercussions.. TLJ being the inevitable consequence of such attitude... Also WTF with directors being writers too or some shit.. i know this happens but there is also writers and shit.. SW needed good stories, good complete arcs... Its just upsetting to think about i guess.
 

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I hope people (including me) can resist the temptation to see Episode IX and it bombs as a result. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film that 1) I only saw once in the theater and 2) Refused to buy when it came out on bluray.

I hear a lot about all the SJW stuff in the movie, but to me, it was just plain bad. TFA wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it built a good base that would've been expanded on greatly. Instead, an idiot like Rian Johnson takes over, throws it all away, and gives us Fast and Furious in space.

I think what really sunk Solo were the insults Disney hurled at fans critical of TLJ. I saw Solo and it was decent - better than TLJ. I really think that what Disney needs is to hire an ardent fan of the SW mythology as "Star Wars Czar," hire movie makers who share the vision, and then hire George Lucas as a story consultant. That way, Lucas could outline an amazing story whereas the other two guys can weed his dumber ideas (like Jar Jar) out.
Well, some bad decisions were part of the FemNazi politics like killing Ackbar and replacing him with the purple haired, incompetent lesbian character. But, the most egregious of all the films issues had nothing to do with politics and were simply bad storytelling pure and simple. There was a total lack of logic in the film and it was utterly absurd. As for the plot, it was more "Speed II Cruise Control" than "Fast and Furious in Space." Solo really isn't all that bad with most of the problems being negative publicity and retaliation for the Last Jedi sucking so hard.
 
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