6 movies in 3 years wouldn't be a problem if they were good movies.When people were worried that Disney took over Star Wars i was like , common it`ll be great , its Star Wars after all.
Then the movies came out... damn. (i did like the cinematic feel of Rogue One though)
and 6 movies in 3 years ? great way to kill a franchise which put out 6 movies in in 30 years before that.
If the movie's makers are on twitter and facebook telling you that storm troopers represent white men, or that they don't care about male fans, or that the force is female, or that Lando is pan sexual or whatever, it is sort of hard to go into those movies without looking for what they are talking about. Besides, I don't feel oppressed, I feel disappointed. They are salting the well, not the fans.movies are just that if your digging into political agendas behind everything you seriously have way too much time on your hands and should seriously reconsider your life as not every thing is being tailor made to oppress you!
Indeed. If the movies were actually good whatever political agenda there is can be safely ignored. But since they are so crappy and Kathleen and co are rubbing their bullshit in our faces, how are we supposed to not talk about it?If the movie's makers are on twitter and facebook telling you that storm troopers represent white men, or that they don't care about male fans, or that the force is female, or that Lando is pan sexual or whatever, it is sort of hard to go into those movies without looking for what they are talking about. Besides, I don't feel oppressed, I feel disappointed. They are salting the well, not the fans.
The problem is Disney and the box office numbers. There hasn't been an acceptable Star Wars movie beyond the original 3 that others did well is a miracle in itself.According to Beyond the Trailer’s Grace Randolph, Bob Iger is trying to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy for the damage she has done to the Star Wars franchise – but nobody wants her job, as she has poisoned Lucasfilm with many of her own loyalists. J.J. Abrams was supposedly approached but “turned it down flat and didn't even hesitate.” Many believe that Disney should just clean house.
"Why does nobody wanna run Star Wars? Well, it's probably pretty obvious for many of you, but let me spell it out for you. And that's in risk-averse Hollywood, nobody wants to run a house divided, which apparently is what Kathleen Kennedy has created. It's divided between her loyalists, which she brought in and wear those "Force is Female" t-shirts, and the loyalists to the brand itself that were there before Kathleen."
No matter how good it is, producing too much dilutes the value. And audience fatigue would kill it eventually. I think 3 movies in 6 years is the number if you don't want to damage it's value.6 movies in 3 years wouldn't be a problem if they were good movies.
6? I lost count at 4? .. anyway i agree, it wouldn't have been an issue if they were good movies. I wish Rogue One was darker and more adult... It was a snooze fest to me.. i had no idea it was reshoot because it was going in a too adult direction.. i only knew after seeing it.6 movies in 3 years wouldn't be a problem if they were good movies.
Rogue One was supposed to be even darker and more violent than it was, but it was still entertaining and by far the best movie of the four.
The thing is solo was rumored to be darker as well but then they fired the two directors and re-wrote/re-shot a lot of it.6? I lost count at 4? .. anyway i agree, it wouldn't have been an issue if they were good movies. I wish Rogue One was darker and more adult... It was a snooze fest to me.. i had no idea it was reshoot because it was going in a too adult direction.. i only knew after seeing it.
The soylo soycott seems to be working. Looks like they do need those darn evil white male fans afterall.Solo tanked, which is why this is coming up now.
You're right though. Disney's number one concern is profit. They couldn't care less if hardcore fans are happy or if political agendas are in their films, but when either of those things gets in the way of their money, they're going to fix it by any means necessary.
Totally agree. Haven't seen solo yet. I'll wait until the disc release as I've done with all these post Disney movies. So far I find that all of them have a moment here or there but ultimately not much of commitment to a shared history(other than Rogue One-probably still my favorite of these). Really feels like DC, some cool things occasionally but otherwise very disjointed.Marvel movies have proved that people won’t get burned out on hero flicks. I think the same could have been easily true for Star Wars movies, if they were good.
Marvel actually had a plan though, and a way of tying all the stories together. Also Marvel put out some duds and just kept going, because they had a plan. SW feels like a more broken universe and Disney is less committed to it.
What you are "whining" about has been part of the human condition for hundreds of thousands of years. America was one of the leading nations to end slavery over 150 years ago. American women are as free as any women in the history of the world. Implying that somehow the American culture needs saving by insipid SJW's is one of the great lies progressives tell. It is the malaise that is killing the Star Wars franchise. SJW's are like the dinosaurs immediately after the asteroid. They are still walking around and talking but the backlash has begun. In a few years they will be politically extinct.Like slavery and ownership of women...
Saw troopers like you taking one for the team, heard the reviews, jaw dropped. Never Watching That Shit. If I want to have 2+ hours of disbelief at stupidity, I'll just stay late at work.Yep. I loved star wars since I was a kid. Have no idea how many times I've seen the first 3. TLJ was so bad that my first thought was maybe it's time for a new space universe. Star Wars, Star Trek, etc, had their day. Let's see something new.
I think most thought TFA was OK - But in no way do I think TLJ is even OK. It's bad. Really bad. The characters, the writing, the overall plot, numerous universe breaking things, etc. Star wars fans didn't like it, and even non-fans didn't like it because it was so a broken movie. All of that is before I even take into account some of the 'progressive' horseshit thrown in.I thought they were all decent films. Not amazing, but decent. If there's to be a new hand at the helm, though, how about Joss Whedon? Have him and Zahn get together transforming one of his books into a screenplay, with Timothy having creative control and Joss handling all the Hollywood BS. Alternatively, have them collaborate on a script for the end of the new trilogy, and let them try to save the shitshow. The series... Well, "There's good left in it... I know it." Poe's cool, the new droids are rockin', and Rei's got a lot of fans. A talented writer could save the franchise.
Time to reboot back to the Extended Universe that Kennedy de-cannonized: the universe of Mara Jade, the Skywalker kids, and Admiral Thrawn. The fans love that universe, and it's out there already, just waiting to be adapted.
As long as Disney owns the franchise its not going to happen. They do not have sole ownership of those characters and naturally have zero motivation to share any profits with their creators.You know who DOES look/sound stunning? Revan. Malak. HK-47. Bastilla. All the KOTOR II sith lords. Those toys would sell like hotcakes if Disney revived KOTOR.
Jar Jar Abrams - I like that!Unfortunately Lucas is unable to make any new Star Wars movies because he would be surrounded by "Yes" people, like was the case with the prequels. He needs a team of "No" people, like when he created the first 3 movies. They were saved in the editing room, mostly by his wife. Lucas was a very lucky man, with limited film-making ability, who was in the right place, at the right time, mostly surrounded by the right people for him.
He is the last person to hand Star Wars, JarJar Abrams would also be a death sentence for the franchise, as he is a liberal SJW too. It worried me that he was Iger's first call. Makes me think that Iger has no clue who he is in a room with, and what those people represent.
When the Thrawn series came out, I bought each book and finished it the day of release.Its a simple fix...
1. Timothy Zahn
2. Thrawn Series
3. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER
I’m too lazy to look, but I seem to remember hearing Solo had to make $400-$450 million to break even. The marketing costs were roughly $150 million IIRC and the movie budget was $250 million IIRC.Dude, are you not seeing the pattern? Those are not good numbers towards the end. They did break even (so far barely for Solo, 75 million is pathetic for Star Wars) but there is a clear downwards slope going on. TLJ made 300m less than Force Awakens. And AFAIK toysales are also down noticeably. Well, we will see what happens with Ep9.
So, if the box office numbers also include global profits then Solo is in big trouble.I’m too lazy to look, but I seem to remember hearing Solo had to make $400-$450 million to break even. The marketing costs were roughly $150 million IIRC and the movie budget was $250 million IIRC.