Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

Rdzona said:
I know its not much of a defense and it shouldn't be but are you really looking for drops in nightmare. This game follows many rpgs where the game doesn't "really" start until you're lvl 60. Kind of dumb, I know, but since you level so fast thats pretty much the way it works out. Another by product of being solely gear dependent and no skill points.



My only answer to this is that from Day 1 its just been the trendy thing to do. Finding new and creative ways to take that proverbial dump on Jay Wilsons face and on Blizz as a whole. I mean seriously, how many posts have you read where people find the need to say, "I'm uninstalling....at least until blah blah blah" For one, why the need to broadcast that? Do they do that with every single game? Well today I'm uninstalling Portal guys. RIP
And second, if the game sucks so bad, why come back to it at all.




Not to pick on you so dont get all defensive but its just really funny all the posts I've read about HC chars dieing and I swear 99% of them died to lag or some technical problem outside of their control. Now I'm not calling you a liar and I guess I have no reason to not believe people, but those numbers just seem a little weird. I mean seriously, I feel like my HC char is going to die from a real life lightning strike to my house, because it can't be from anything I can control if the numbers are right.
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After one, maybe two deaths, you don't die to anything other than crashes or lag 99% of the time. That's how HC works.
 
big_aug said:
After one, maybe two deaths, you don't die to anything other than crashes or lag 99% of the time. That's how HC works.
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Yeah I'm sure thats how it works. So if there was zero lag and no crashes, no one in the whole world would ever lose a HC char? Care to bet your paycheck on that?
 
Rdzona said:
Yeah I'm sure thats how it works. So if there was zero lag and no crashes, no one in the whole world would ever lose a HC char? Care to bet your paycheck on that?
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I said 99%. Obviously I mean a large majority.

And yeah, if there were no lag or crashes, pretty much no one would die if they have half a brain.

I've never died actually playing the game beyond my first character and first death at lvl 42. Every other death has been lag, crash, or forgetting to switch out my goblin mf gear. I've lost 5 60s. 1 crash, 2 goblin mf, and 2 lag.

I was five stacking act 2 and working on clearing act 3.
 
big_aug said:
I said 99%. Obviously I mean a large majority.

And yeah, if there were no lag or crashes, pretty much no one would die if they have half a brain.

I've never died actually playing the game beyond my first character and first death at lvl 42. Every other death has been lag, crash, or forgetting to switch out my goblin mf gear. I've lost 5 60s. 1 crash, 2 goblin mf, and 2 lag.

I was five stacking act 2 and working on clearing act 3.
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Ok whatever, I didn't literally mean "no one" either. As I know you can't possibly have an accurate percentage like 99%. We're just throwing out figuratives and absolutes.

People just don't like owning up to their mistakes. Kids do it, teenagers do it, and adults do it...Big Surprise, that people in a video game and internet forum where there is essentially zero identity do it. I'm not going to continue this debate with you, its not that big of a deal and honestly I don't care. I was just making a light hearted observation.
 
Rdzona said:
Ok whatever, I didn't literally mean "no one" either. As I know you can't possibly have an accurate percentage like 99%. We're just throwing out figuratives and absolutes.

People just don't like owning up to their mistakes. Kids do it, teenagers do it, and adults do it...Big Surprise, that people in a video game and internet forum where there is essentially zero identity do it. I'm not going to continue this debate with you, its not that big of a deal and honestly I don't care. I was just making a light hearted observation.
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It's the truth.

Here's the thing... most of us would LOVE to say we got owned by a crazy pack in Act 2 or Act 3. It's just not the way people die. When you play HC, you are just counting down the days until you die from a lag spike, disconnect, or crash.

I wish I could say I got rocked by a desecrator, frozen, arcane, molten pack, but lag is the worst monster affix of all.

You act like there is some shame in dying to the game. Most people who play HC would say that's the way they wanna go lol

And I've owned up to my mistake. I didn't switch back into my normal gear. That's about as freaking dumb a mistake as you can make.
 
big_aug said:
I had over 100m in gear on my last barb. EASILY capable of clearing the game. 950ar, 11k armor, 16k dps, and 77k hp with a base MF of 85.

Died in MF gear doing goblins in act 2 LOL
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I don't do HC but my barb has 800ar, 9k armor, 11k dps, and 43k hp and I get wtfpwned by many elite packs in Act2 Inferno. It's usually the ones that have movement impairing abilities even though I have 20% cc reduction. I get frozen, walled, whatever, and then arcane sentries or lava takes care of the rest.

It stopped being entertaining and has slipped into just plain stupid. Upgrading gear to get to 1000 resists is way too expensive for my taste, though I could look into more HP gear as that seems to be where the main difference between characters is.
 
Thuleman said:
I don't do HC but my barb has 800ar, 9k armor, 11k dps, and 43k hp and I get wtfpwned by many elite packs in Act2 Inferno. It's usually the ones that have movement impairing abilities even though I have 20% cc reduction. I get frozen, walled, whatever, and then arcane sentries or lava takes care of the rest.

It stopped being entertaining and has slipped into just plain stupid. Upgrading gear to get to 1000 resists is way too expensive for my taste, though I could look into more HP gear as that seems to be where the main difference between characters is.
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9k armor is really low.

I also had 1300 LOH and 500 life regen per second. I had a copule pieces that could have still be easily upgraded. My shield + weapon were ~40m alone.

I was rocking almost half a billion worth of gear if you convert the HC gold to SC gold... LOL
 
big_aug said:
9k armor is really low.

I also had 1300 LOH and 500 life regen per second. I had a copule pieces that could have still be easily upgraded. My shield + weapon were ~40m alone.

I was rocking almost half a billion worth of gear if you convert the HC gold to SC gold... LOL
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9k shouldn't be too bad for SC. My barb has a little over 8k and does OK. Though, I do have about 8k more dps than his barb.
 
Thuleman said:
I don't do HC but my barb has 800ar, 9k armor, 11k dps, and 43k hp and I get wtfpwned by many elite packs in Act2 Inferno. It's usually the ones that have movement impairing abilities even though I have 20% cc reduction. I get frozen, walled, whatever, and then arcane sentries or lava takes care of the rest.

It stopped being entertaining and has slipped into just plain stupid. Upgrading gear to get to 1000 resists is way too expensive for my taste, though I could look into more HP gear as that seems to be where the main difference between characters is.
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My barb was at 900 ar, 8500 armor, 17k dps (after frenzy and beserker rage), and 54k hp when I died. Though I previously had my AR between 1000-1100 and armor at 9500, I found that 13k dps just wasn't getting it done in a2. In addition, I didn't want to hit enrage on ZK and Belial. Switched around some gear and skills to be a little more offensively oriented and it worked just fine in a2 (not so much in a3). My last upgrade was a belt that lowered my armor by 50, damage by 300, and health by 2500, but had a Revenge critical chance increase of 7%. Felt like a huge upgrade to me being able to have Revenge up at 37% instead of 30%.

Rdzona: Go to youtube and you'll find many hardcore character deaths that were the result of something outside of gameplay mechanics. Here's my favorite video that doesn't fit that category.

big_aug: How do you keep going back after losing 60's to bs?
 
Tzzird said:
My barb was at 900 ar, 8500 armor, 17k dps (after frenzy and beserker rage), and 54k hp when I died. Though I previously had my AR between 1000-1100 and armor at 9500, I found that 13k dps just wasn't getting it done in a2. In addition, I didn't want to hit enrage on ZK and Belial. Switched around some gear and skills to be a little more offensively oriented and it worked just fine in a2 (not so much in a3). My last upgrade was a belt that lowered my armor by 50, damage by 300, and health by 2500, but had a Revenge critical chance increase of 7%. Felt like a huge upgrade to me being able to have Revenge up at 37% instead of 30%.

Rdzona: Go to youtube and you'll find many hardcore character deaths that were the result of something outside of gameplay mechanics. Here's my favorite video that doesn't fit that category.

big_aug: How do you keep going back after losing 60's to bs?
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I'm not :D

I'm officially done. It's a fun game, but it's not the play for 10 years on and off game that Diablo 2 was. Like I said, I got a couple hundred hours of gaming out of it. Definitely got my money's worth.
 
big_aug said:
I'm not :D

I'm officially done. It's a fun game, but it's not the play for 10 years on and off game that Diablo 2 was. Like I said, I got a couple hundred hours of gaming out of it. Definitely got my money's worth.
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Anytime you can get an hour of entertainment for less than $1 is getting your money's worth for a game in my opinion.

I think I'm done with the game as well until new content arrives.
 
Tzzird said:
Anytime you can get an hour of entertainment for less than $1 is getting your money's worth for a game in my opinion.

I think I'm done with the game as well until new content arrives.
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I was releived when I died. I wasn't mad at all. I felt a little disappointment the next day simply because I didn't know how to fill that free time. I was used to playing Diablo 3.

It became more of a burden with my last character. I only kept playing becuase I had invested so much time and effort. I was truly happy when I died so I could move on with no strings.
 
So not even Diablo on Hell gave any good drops. I did it with 2 level 60's and I basically just watched to see what kind of drops I would get. All of them were level 62 or so items and all of them were worse than my level 50(some even still 40's) items. Fail.
 
xIronCrossx said:
So not even Diablo on Hell gave any good drops. I did it with 2 level 60's and I basically just watched to see what kind of drops I would get. All of them were level 62 or so items and all of them were worse than my level 50(some even still 40's) items. Fail.
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It's all about the elite packs. Bosses are just kind of there.
 
xIronCrossx said:
So not even Diablo on Hell gave any good drops. I did it with 2 level 60's and I basically just watched to see what kind of drops I would get. All of them were level 62 or so items and all of them were worse than my level 50(some even still 40's) items. Fail.
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Gear doesn't start dropping until level 60 with 5 stacks of NV and 100%+ MF. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's the deal.
 
big_aug said:
I was releived when I died. I wasn't mad at all. I felt a little disappointment the next day simply because I didn't know how to fill that free time. I was used to playing Diablo 3.

It became more of a burden with my last character. I only kept playing becuase I had invested so much time and effort. I was truly happy when I died so I could move on with no strings.
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I know exactly what you mean!
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Gear doesn't start dropping until level 60 with 5 stacks of NV and 100%+ MF. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's the deal.
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Yea they really shouldn't have balanced drops around having 5 stacks of NV; completely trivialized the rest of the game.

Their latest visions of WoW bear many similarities to D3, unfortunately.
 
chockomonkey said:
Yea they really shouldn't have balanced drops around having 5 stacks of NV; completely trivialized the rest of the game.

Their latest visions of WoW bear many similarities to D3, unfortunately.
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There was a small window though where NV was just a MF & GF Buff. The audience wasn't happy with the results. In a way, I can understand. With the current lousy drop rates, can you imagine where we'd be if you also needed tons of MF to just see a rare drop, let alone a useful rare?
 
Tzzird said:
Anytime you can get an hour of entertainment for less than $1 is getting your money's worth for a game in my opinion.

I think I'm done with the game as well until new content arrives.
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Pretty much how I feel. $1/hr for entertainment is pretty good.
 
big_aug said:
I'm not :D

I'm officially done. It's a fun game, but it's not the play for 10 years on and off game that Diablo 2 was. Like I said, I got a couple hundred hours of gaming out of it. Definitely got my money's worth.
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I wouldn't say that just yet.

PvP and Expansions could completely change the game.....but who knows just yet.
 
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Killed Brutus last night with 3 other people and 9 rares dropped - none of them sucked.

oh wait, wrong game.
 
zoobaby said:
Pretty much how I feel. $1/hr for entertainment is pretty good.
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Yea this is how i justify my purchase. When i'm honest with myself though, i feel taken advantage of just like those people who buy the next CoD just because it has "CoD" as its name.

I shoulda have waited and done research before buying.
 
chockomonkey said:
Yea this is how i justify my purchase. When i'm honest with myself though, i feel taken advantage of just like those people who buy the next CoD just because it has "CoD" as its name.

I shoulda have waited and done research before buying.
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Same. The leveling in D3 felt trivial...I never had any "wow" moments. It never was like it was say in the first game...a totally new atmosphere and a feeling that you're progressing down into the depths. But I figured hey, this game is all about the "fun" of the loot grind at the end...and then I realized the loot grind was leaps and bounds lower yielding than D2. :(
 
TwistedAegis said:
Same. The leveling in D3 felt trivial...I never had any "wow" moments. It never was like it was say in the first game...a totally new atmosphere and a feeling that you're progressing down into the depths. But I figured hey, this game is all about the "fun" of the loot grind at the end...and then I realized the loot grind was leaps and bounds lower yielding than D2. :(
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+1.

Even though I spent around 80 hours on this game, it feels like they were wasted. Not a single memorable moment.
 
My memorable moments were when I did my first run through with my DH beating it on normal....after that....meh...
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
It takes you 80 hours to realize you dont like a game and are wasting your time?
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I kinda liked the game... it just didn't have that charm that D2 had.
The whole carrot of "fun" that never came.

I've quit it already, maybe will look back when they release a dozen patches and PVP
 
Initially, I ran a WD to lvl60 and honestly was just getting raped in Act1 Inferno. Game was getting pretty bad. The class that I wanted to play was becoming downright unfun. I just got a wizard to Act1 Inferno and the game has revived my enjoyment. I put some magic find on him, figured out the skills that work best for me, spent about 100k in the AH and the game has become rewarding. I really wish Blizzard would throw down a balancing patch for the WD (I'm not saying nerf any class...just enhance the WD skills/damage).
 
00PS said:
Initially, I ran a WD to lvl60 and honestly was just getting raped in Act1 Inferno. Game was getting pretty bad. The class that I wanted to play was becoming downright unfun. I just got a wizard to Act1 Inferno and the game has revived my enjoyment. I put some magic find on him, figured out the skills that work best for me, spent about 100k in the AH and the game has become rewarding. I really wish Blizzard would throw down a balancing patch for the WD (I'm not saying nerf any class...just enhance the WD skills/damage).
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For some reason I kept getting Health, I was at about 21k. But I kept getting my ass kicked and felt like I was a useless member of the party(only on Hell btw). So I got some more damage and with Magical Weapons I'm sitting at ~4.1k DPS and actually die less than I did before and am way more useful. I had quite the fail logic when I was going for health instead of damage :p
 
00PS said:
Initially, I ran a WD to lvl60 and honestly was just getting raped in Act1 Inferno. Game was getting pretty bad. The class that I wanted to play was becoming downright unfun. I just got a wizard to Act1 Inferno and the game has revived my enjoyment. I put some magic find on him, figured out the skills that work best for me, spent about 100k in the AH and the game has become rewarding. I really wish Blizzard would throw down a balancing patch for the WD (I'm not saying nerf any class...just enhance the WD skills/damage).
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I only play a WD (I have no interest in putting 100+ hours into another character). I can run Act 1 Inferno no problem, the elite packs barely give me any problems. However I hit Act 2 Inferno and I can't do much at all. :( Totally killed my enjoyment of the game. I can do money runs to get better gear but I can't get enough fast enough to make it worthwhile in farming.
 
|Tch0rT| said:
I only play a WD (I have no interest in putting 100+ hours into another character). I can run Act 1 Inferno no problem, the elite packs barely give me any problems. However I hit Act 2 Inferno and I can't do much at all. :( Totally killed my enjoyment of the game. I can do money runs to get better gear but I can't get enough fast enough to make it worthwhile in farming.
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What's your skill set up? Not that I can offer help, but building up a witch doctor now (last class to get to inferno and level up to 60), and just having a frustrating time compared to the other classes. I have the gear that I've farmed from my other classes, but the summons are now getting 1 shot and the timer to resummon them puts me in an awful position.
 
I heard a rumor that Diablo 3 only has West coast servers and that's why everyone in the East has high pings and rubber-banding. Is this true?
 
Nytegard said:
What's your skill set up? Not that I can offer help, but building up a witch doctor now (last class to get to inferno and level up to 60), and just having a frustrating time compared to the other classes. I have the gear that I've farmed from my other classes, but the summons are now getting 1 shot and the timer to resummon them puts me in an awful position.
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Here's what my current skill setup:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#aiUQfT!ZWV!aaaZcc

I ran 4 Zombie Dogs with a Gargantuan pet build up until Inferno reasonably well. Switched to Zombie Bears in Act 1 Inferno, combined with Rain Dance and Spirit Walk (plus the perk for auto SW) made it survivable and profitable until Act 2. In Act 2 normal enemies nearly kill me outright in a few hits. Res in around 400 for all. DPS is 30k I think and armor is 4500 or so. It's been a few days since I played it.

Here's a vid of an earlier build I was using on Act 1 Inferno (got a nice crit hit for 276k off one of my Zombie Bears in it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqBQ_RvpG8
 
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ScretHate said:
I heard a rumor that Diablo 3 only has West coast servers and that's why everyone in the East has high pings and rubber-banding. Is this true?
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I think it might just be for single player. I even played mulitplayer with someone from Europe(Changed servers) and my ping was still ~100 compared to the 200-300 I get in single player.
 
|Tch0rT| said:
I only play a WD (I have no interest in putting 100+ hours into another character). I can run Act 1 Inferno no problem, the elite packs barely give me any problems. However I hit Act 2 Inferno and I can't do much at all. :( Totally killed my enjoyment of the game. I can do money runs to get better gear but I can't get enough fast enough to make it worthwhile in farming.
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I am in the same boat. My first character was a WD and after the IAS nerf he just sucked. I leveled a Barb to 60 and manged to pass Act 2 inferno. I now play the Barb almost exclusively. Ironically all the set items that have dropped, while playing my Barb, are only useful for my WD :mad:
 
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