Dell U3014 News

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  1. Groto

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    Both of your links were truncated.
     
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    Translate to 'MERICAN.
     
  5. Filiprino

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    Oh well, if I had the space I wouldn't mind getting a 30 incher, but with a 27 inch screen you only lose 160 vertical pixels and you win some extra centimeters which are very welcome if your table is scarce in terms of room.
     
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    First link.

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  7. SuperSubZero

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    I predict it will follow the Grab-Your-Ankles(tm) pricing structure.

    Smart card reader just screams "specialty market let's milk it for all we can get!!"
     
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    That describes all 30 inch displays though. lol
     
  9. rudy

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    I think the resolution needs a bump on these monitors after 10 years. With 4k devices coming online it kinda seems odd they would redo the 2560x1600 at this time.
     
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    pricing wouldn't be affordable going 4k now
     
  11. ND40oz

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    10 years ago Dell released the Ultrasharp 1900FP with a resolution of 1280x1024 and it retailed for $899.
     
  12. rudy

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    well maybe it wasnt 10 years but you get my point, we have had these 30 inches stuck at this resolution for a long time. And they have never been affordable. Its been at least 6 years I think. It's a MSRP $2000 monitor. The other option is Dell needs to bring the price of this down sub $1000. With 27 inchers going for $300 something has to give IMO.
     
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    No, keep 2560*1600 please.
    1) Higher resolution would require more graphical power.
    2) The current resolution is perfect for the purpose of gaming, office suites and web browsing
    3) I like to watch my monitor without wearing glasses

    What really need to be improved is
    1) Black level.
    2) Higher uniformity
    3) Introduction of more calibration parameters in the OSD (RGB, gamma, CMS) so that accurate sRGB can be achieved
    4) LED arrays (and not Edge Lit due to uniformity issue).
    5) USB 3.0 support
    6) Lower power consumption
    7) Less of the bugs that usually plague Dell monitors
     
  14. rocket733

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    Eh, 4k isn't that big of a graphical challange esp since you need less AA with smaller pixels. I'm pushing 8 megapixels on a t221 with a 7950 and most games play pretty well, for things like web and office work even integrated will be fine.
     
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    4k monitors will cost far, far, FAR more than this will. Trust me.

    You'd have a good argument if pricing and availability were the same, but that won't be the case for a long time.
     
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    The u3011 has been around 1000$ for a while now, not 2000$. 30 inch 2560 panels aren't high volume products, so they charge what the market what supply and demand dictates - it is NOT intended as a mass consumer product. It is mostly for professionals.

    I think the price is fair considering the quality and warranty - dell has a multi year no questions asked warranty in which they pay for shipping back and forth. Try that with a catleap. Those are the only panels that are 300$ and IPS, and you get what you pay for.
     
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    4k monitors will be out for around 5k this spring. Seeing them drop to half that in a years time seems very reasonable in tech. That puts them into the territory of the 30 inch. This is why I don't think dell needed to refresh this display, they could have just rode it out. But realistically knowing dell there was more to it than that. Like maybe they were going to be forced to change the panel and thought new model is better than panel lottery. Seems like dell never does anything because they want to produce a good new product its always something to do with the supply chain or upselling.
     
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    If you think 1k for a 2560x1600 panel is too much, I think you'll be surprised by 4k prices. It won't be affordable.

    4k Ultra HD TVs will cost well over 10k so, it may be a while before the market becomes saturated to the point where prices start falling. But if i'm wrong, and I hope I am, it will be good news for us - the consumers :)

    Believe me i'm pretty excited for 4k as well. Can't wait for it to become mainstream! In the meantime, i'm 100% sure the u3014 will be an excellent panel. I'll probably buy one on release...
     
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    What's the benefit to having a smart card reader in your monitor? I've never owned or even seen an smart card in my life. As for resolution. I don't see the benefit of 4k resolution in a 30" monitor. On 38", yes... that would be awesome. But, it would be a waste on a 30" monitor.
    I had a Lenovo laptop once with a 15" WUXGA screen 1920x1200. That's a stupid resolution for 15". It was cool for about a week then you went blind.

    It's not like you can see the pixels on a 30" screen at 2560x1600 at a normal viewing distance. Hell I have a hard time seeing them from a foot away, and that's way too close to ever be a usable distance. So what's the point in driving more unseen pixels? I'm all for a 38" 4k display tho.
     
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    Depends on your eyesight, but now days with scaling getting better in windows and pretty much solved on platforms like android higher DPI is not a problem for many. I can see the pixels on my Korean 27 inch at normal viewing distance, sits about 24 inches from me. And it just looks nice. The 30 inch monitors are OK but you are paying around $500 or more to get 160 pixels vertically thats it. And that's the problem not the resolution itself but the value is just not that good. If you get a sale I think they get down to $1100. IMO these need to have a $999 MRP now, with sales taking it down to 700.

    Pixels are not unseen just because you cannot resolve them, they help create clarity. Ideally you want a monitor to have alot more pixels than you can see, then you can do things like completely stop anti aliasing. You can also always just tilt your head forward to resolve more detail.

    If this stuff wasnt true I doubt apple retina push would be so popular, people see these devices which they cannot resolve the individual pixels and they like them. I like them too. It looks really good. I guess the big problem is windows developers often dont obey the scaling implementation MS has and so we get lots of problems with programs.

    I am not dealing with 4k TVs I am thinking about 4k monitors around 32 inches. They are coming this year for prices similar to what pros are already paying for monitors.

    I guess I see it through the bias eyes of someone who has had all good experiences with 3 korean panels and is hoping to see bezeless eyefinity resolutions soon. But even if you disregard Korean panels you still have to admit that $500 is alot for a measly 160 lines of vertical resolution.
     
  21. Zorachus

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    So release is set for next month still ? Rough idea on price ? Are there pictures of what it looks like ?
     
  22. Tyler-Durden

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    THIS! THIS! THIS!
     
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    Lots of 30" monitors are sold to photographers who have cards in their cameras.

    It's also why you see IPS panels in these monitors - the ability to get a full gamut is critical.

    I'm probably going to be buying one of these. The USB 3.0 smart card reader is a nice feature.
     
  25. Hardcore2012

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    I think it's safe to bet this will look like a larger U2713H.
     
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    The biggest temptation for me to resist will be buying one upon release. I usually wait for the 3rd revision so the bugs can be ironed out.
     
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    It's a computer monitor, they don't need all the upscaling circuitry that a 4k television has, so it shouldn't be a problem of price, especially since these monitors are premium products anyway.
     
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    Best is 42" for 4k, and 85" for 8k.
     
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    I like the way you think!
     
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    Totally agree, @ 3860 x 2160 4K resolution, the perfect szie is around 42". I don't want it at 30", that's too small a monitor size at that high of a res.
     
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    You can always increase DPI in windows? That should make native UI elements 3-4 times larger, which should make it very usable.

    Hell using the highest built in dpi setting on my u3011 makes text way too large...feels like 1080p...
     
  32. kache

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    You wouldn't be using the resolution to it's full extend if you did that.
     
  33. xoleras

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    That is not true at all. The issue is that default windows DPI was designed for archaic 4:3 screens and isn't really good for modern screens. Obviously the benefit to higher DPI is to increase readability to suit your preference - if you look at a retina macbook pro, if you used the default windows DPI it would clearly not be usable at all. What does OS X do? It increases DPI so that fonts are actually you know, readable.

    This in no way means that you don't get the benefit of the resolution. It means the resolution is usable and suitable for your preference. By the way, the default windows DPI was designed for 4:3 1024x768 monitors so it't not to useful for modern screens - you'll find many 2560x1440 panels have tiny text with default DPI. It is usable, barely. Long story short is that 4k panels at 30 inches are fine - you just have to adjust the DPI upwards.
     
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    I would rather keep the 2560x1600 for the mean while. A single 2560x1600 requires a lot of graphical grunt just for itself.
     
  35. Snowdog

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    Except that DPI scaling is broken in the majority of third party windows applications.

    You get your fancy 4K monitor and then turn on 150% scaling so you can read text and instead of lovely high dpi text, you end up low DPI text given the blurry zoom treatment.

    So in essence the previous reply was correct, you really don't get the benefit of high DPI monitor in most applications.
     
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    Broken apps won't get fixed until high DPI displays get available. And you'd still have the benefit in non-broken apps.
     
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    2160p is a multiplier of 720p and 1080p, so you could run at those resolution without scaling and thus, without quality loss or input lag.
     
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    Then why not get a decent size 4k monitor that allows you to have full benefits in ALL applications and doesn't strain your eyes?
     
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    So what you're telling me is that "4096 × 2160" vs "2560x1600", you won't need hardware that's ultra high-end to run games at 4096x2160?