Dell and AMD

[BigMacAttack]

I honestly think you don't quite understand the computer market. :/

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Your dodge example is bad, why? There is NO Mitsubishi "Sticker" on that Dodge. As there is no Dodge on rebadged Misubishi or the Ford made B2000, Chevy made Humbre and etc..

AMD has too big of an Ego to not have the AMD sticker displayed right on the front of the case or in any Ad on Dells site. You're trying to say Dell will hide or downplay the fact that it AMD inside and not Intel? I'd like to think you know better than the say something like that.
Dell's mass sales are not to Joe and Jenny Six pack BTW! If AMD has to depend on indifferent buyers, they're screwed.

Now see, NOT off Topic!

Donnie, Donnie, Donnie. Why still so defensive? I'm merely making a point and using a comparison. And BTW there most certainly is a Mitsubishi sticker on my engine - its just under the hood - but its still there.
As was said before - and Intel is so humble as not to display their logos all over everything? What about "Intel Inside" or is that ok because its Intel. What about all of Intel's TV ads? What about their "ego?" Why is it ok for Intel to market themselves out in the open but not AMD? Why the double standard? Honestly, Donnie, your aruments are quite astounding at best. My example said nothing about "hiding" anything, nor was I trying to imply any such thing. Please re-read my post. You are grasping for anything to continue the argument. Something, I said before, you seem to like to do. That's not name calling - merely an honest observation.
I can see where my comments may be taken to imply that buyers might be "indifferent" so let me clarify (perhaps if you had really read my post I wouldn't have to but...) I did speak of "practicality" and "budgetary constraints" did I not? Someone who wants a Dell with an AMD cpu inside (yes there will be those who do as we have seen by reading some of the posts here in this tthread. I know its anamatha to you but there will be a market) but doesn't have the scratch to get a top of tthe line system will buy what is practical and affordable for them. In my view (and this is just my own opinion) I think Dell would be better served by releasing product into the mass-market arena such as through Best Buy, Circuit City, etc like HP, Compaq and eMachines. Going to the people instead of making the people come to them seems like a good idea to me. Lets talk about that. Anyone agree/disagree?

 

[Donnie27]

Just to remind you, you said PRICEWISE. You said nothing about performance, and now it's all about performance. You said "There is not an X2 that can compare to conroe pricewise", and the x2 4200 compares just dandy to a 6300. You can say what you want about performance aside from that arguement, but don't start digressing from the point after you've been proven wrong.

I won't go as far as to say a 6300 will "kick the crap" out of a 4200. I have two PCs sitting beside me at the moment. An X2 4200 an a C2 6300 (believe it or not). Great example, isn't it. Anyway, by no means is my computer experience being transformed from night to day. Conroe is maybe, maybe a little faster at games. OS/Games/Apps run at comperable speeds.

Running SuperPi? Wow, the C2 wipes the floor. But ask me how much I sit and watch SuperPi or Winstone benchmarks.

OK, Good points and you're right. I honestly don't care about SuperPi except for a it GeeWiz factor. Video and Music converters I do care about. With those apps, C2D takes X2 to the cleaners and Single core Procs as well even with Single threaded apps.

The "kick the crap out of it" was in reference to the link I gave, NOT general performance. I just got through playing with a 4400+ slightly overclocked vs. 6400 at stock. Yes side by side. No damned way I'd buy a 4400+ after that. Some apps are day and night difference and games where a blow out. What would you call 112 FPS to 79 FPS? Two processor that have similar prices last week BTW.

I can remember Athlon 64 beating P4 by less and it being called "Chrushed, Slammed, Slaughtered" and etc.... These statements were made right here in this forum.

Last but not least the other guy said Mid-Ranged PORCESSORS not one priced for its nice price point. That doesn't include the "Low Power Models" either.

 

[Donnie27]

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No, its AMD Fans I don't understand

Donnie, Donnie, Donnie. Why still so defensive? I'm merely making a point and using a comparison. And BTW there most certainly is a Mitsubishi sticker on my engine - its just under the hood - but its still there.

QFBS Not the same as a computer at all you can't spin it. Bad example=P

As was said before - and Intel is so humble as not to display their logos all over everything? What about "Intel Inside" or is that ok because its Intel. What about all of Intel's TV ads? What about their "ego?" Why is it ok for Intel to market themselves out in the open but not AMD? Why the double standard? Honestly, Donnie, your aruments are quite astounding at best.

Please post one link to my saying Intel is Humble plese? You guys don't understand marketing if you even begain say some that silly. I often bee-yotch about Intel being stuck up on itself. That's why they pay for the Co-Branding? That's why they have all of the Intel Inside stickers and the Billions they've paid to brainwash mindless sheep as AMD Folks call them. This also makes it hard to talk to YOU when YOU "make up" what I said instead of addressing what I said. You keep getting farther way from the what I actually said. Question? Are you posting to me or every Intel Fan who may have upset you? You don't seem to be even reading MY POSTS. The only thing that astounding is your constant complaining about shit I didn't write. I know damned well Intel has big ego, what made you think I tried to make an excuse for them?

I said;
1. AMD will either have to pay to co-brand just as Intel has or it will cost Dell more sell sell AMD processors=P

2. No more Sweetheat Deals is on Good for HP, Gateway and others who never had Dell's Intel sweetheart deals becuase they sold AMD processor based systems. Note, HP still gets Co-Branding savings. Nothing is said about the AMD based systems.

3. Intel based Dell PC's will see a price increases. Good for AMD, not Good for Consumers since AMD will not have to cut prices that much. OEM sales to Dell.

4. Corporate IT folks buy the largest amount of computers. Those folks have little to no reason to switch to Dell if they're HAPPY WITH THEIR AMD BASED machines. That doesn mean AMD sucks and they don't like AMD. It means they like AMD and will go with something they trust and or already use to. GET IT!?

5. I said if AMD has to depend of Newbies being indifferent, they're FRACKED! It ain't that many Newbies out there that buy Dell without the Intel Inside sticker.

6. Since Dell had no branded AMD products until now, they have to where to go but up.

My example said nothing about "hiding" anything, nor was I trying to imply any such thing. Please re-read my post. You are grasping for anything to continue the argument. Something, I said before, you seem to like to do. That's not name calling - merely an honest observation.
I can see where my comments may be taken to imply that buyers might be "indifferent" so let me clarify (perhaps if you had really read my post I wouildn't have to but...) I did speak of "practicality" and budgetary constraints did I not? Someone who wants a Dell with an AMD cpu inside (yes there will be those who do as we have seens by reading some of the posts here in this tthread. I know its anamatha to you but there will be a market) but doesn't have the scratch to get a top of tthe line system will buy what is practical and affordable for them. In my view (and this is just my own opinion) I think Dell would be better served by releasing product into the mass-market arena such as through Best Buy, Circuit City, etc like HP, Compaq and eMachines. Going to the people instead of making the people come to them seems like a good idea to me. Lets talk about that. Anyone agree/disagree?

There's nothing to grasp for, it's sitting right out there in the Open with a big assed handle on it.

Again, IF the comments about Intel in a Dell and AMD thread is positive, it's called a thread crap. If the info is negative, its business as usual and on Topic. There ain't a damned thing complex about that and no explanations needed. 98% of the folks I've seen crying about AMD and Dell have been AMD loving DIYERs who'd never buy a Dell.

I'm not bashing AMD when I say those same folks looking to buy AMD don't need Dell. Many are just like Honda owners have more than one AMD based computer and are happy with them. These folks will have no reason to switch to Dell when HP, Gateway/Emachines and etc.. have fit the bill for them. Dell would be better served selling via B&Ms. At least there's one thing I agree with on your post.

I really hope this thread is saved for a year from now.

 

[Donnie27]

Bash AMD still at every step, eh Donnie?

So because AMD would simply want the Athlon insignia located on the computer, or in a Dell ad, obviously means they have "too big of an ego"? So why aren't you bashing Intel for having "too big of an ego", considering they've been doing the same thing for over a decade. Infact, who is it that went out and licensed the Blue Man Group to appear in commercials and web ads? Exactly. Sorry Donnie, but corporate desire isn't a one way, AMD-only street.

Dell won't care if it's an AMD system or Intel system, unless it impacts sales.

And while Dell does sell a huge bulk of computers to corporations, don't underestimate their sales to new users or people who are upgrading. Millions of computers are sold each year to those who already have a computer, but one that is several years old. Those people are looking for a machine that can run faster, the newest programs they want to use, but something that is cheap and reliable. Dell can generally meet that for them with their introductory systems. I honestly think you don't quite understand the computer market. :/

I'm not underestimating new buyers. The market has glut thanks to Intel flooding it the last 3 quarters. Intel brought on a Price war. AMD did their fair share as well to cause glut. Sales of everything but 4-way Servers, advantage AMD and Laptops, advantage Intel, have been Flat to lower. That's not what Donnie27 says but what every Anal- Market watcher is saying. Desktop sales only pick up with that next Killer APP hits the market. Last year it was X2, the first Quarter was AMD's. Like it or not, the rest belongs to Intel. They took it back the 2nd quarter and C2D has stolen any thunder that may have been left.

Dell looking to sell 2nd rate products that are already experiencing slow sales is kind of lame IMHO. They should do great with Opterons and 4 way Servers. Hell they should have jumpped them last year. AMD and Intel will make less money since they have lower ASPs anyway.

 

[Donnie27]

this is true the 6300 6400 are faster overall perhaps but its like going 200mph and then going 203mph its not somthing you notice without a radar.

this is when comparing said x2 3800 4200 to 6300 6400 x2 4800 5000 t0 6500 6600 etc

its agreed intel is the overall fastest but its not the same noticable jump as say the AMD 64 3200 was to the then avail P 4 2.8ghz 3 or 3.2 ghz

unless your running PI benchmarks all day or purposly running 5 virus scans in the background while playing Oblivion.

Not even close to use your example, that's 203 to a 140MPH LOL! There is no 6500 and E6600 for a mere $359 is faster more times than not than a FX-62 that still costs around $800. Am I missing something here? Again, their saving grace is overall low numbers of C2D. No way, C2D is a much larger jump over what AMD did with A64 or X2. Most Webmasters even admit that. They're calling this the bigest performance leap in the last 10 years.

Dell going to Opterons is smart. Dell buying AlienWare good move and Dell moving to AMD desktops is a may as well but nothing earth shaking at this time.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Again, IF the comments about Intel in a Dell and AMD thread is positive, it's called a thread crap. If the info is negative, its business as usual and on Topic.

Call me curious, but why do you care so much about what anyone says about Intel in an AMD forum? If you truly do go where the power is why are you so passionate about defending Intel? You seem to be the self-proclaimed "Intel thought police" upholding the honor of Intel. If you truly don't care who makes the best/most powerful cpu on the planet why the debate? I re-read the first few pages of the thread and didn't see any "Intel bashing" to speak of. Once you got here that seemed to change. Hmmmm...let's decry AMD users as dummies for choosing AMD, extol the virtues of Intel and see what happens in an AMD forum. Looks like a recipe for disaster if you ask me. And you wonder why you get so much flak?
As for this:

Dell looking to sell 2nd rate products that are already experiencing slow sales is kind of lame IMHO.

Well all I can say is opinions are like noses - everyone has one. As I have said before, when you can buy the company and run it your way then your opinion will count for something. Same with me.
As for this:

I know damned well Intel has big ego, what made you think I tried to make an excuse for them?

uh well - this:

AMD has too big of an Ego to not have the AMD sticker displayed right on the front of the case or in any Ad on Dells site. You're trying to say Dell will hide or downplay the fact that it AMD inside and not Intel?

You didn't address Intel's ego here - only AMD's. And you obviously made a leap I never even considered nor insinuated. If anyone strays off-topic around here it is you. You pull in stuff from other threads, insinuate that since I am an AMD user that I am "one of them" (re: Hack arch. comment, Dell hater comment (users like you), etc). I stay on topic and you go off on some really wild tangents. I'm always amused by where you wind up.
I thought maybe we could have a pleasant conversation without all the vitriole but I can see that is not possible with you. Quite sad, really.

 

[Donnie27]

Call me curious, but why do you care so much about what anyone says about Intel in an AMD forum? If you truly do go where the power is why are you so passionate about defending Intel? You seem to be the self-proclaimed "Intel thought police" upholding the honor of Intel. If you truly don't care who makes the best/most powerful cpu on the planet why the debate? I re-read the first few pages of the thread and didn't see any "Intel bashing" to speak of. Once you got here that seemed to change. Hmmmm...let's decry AMD users as dummies for choosing AMD, extol the virtues of Intel and see what happens in an AMD forum. Looks like a recipe for disaster if you ask me. And you wonder why you get so much flak?
As for this:

There you go again. I wasn't jumpped when I said Both have been Chumps and Champs. I wasn't the one who said Intel was humble or had no ego. That's the crap that make what should be short posts, long ones.

Well all I can say is opinions are like noses - everyone has one. As I have said before, when you can buy the company and run it your way then your opinion will count for something. Same with me.

You can do the same buddy, you aren't Dell or AMD, that make your opinion just like mine, meaningless=P

You didn't address Intel's ego here - only AMD's. And you obviously made a leap I never even considered nor insinuated. If anyone strays off-topic around here it is you. You pull in stuff from other threads, insinuate that since I am an AMD user that I am "one of them" (re: Hack arch. comment, Dell hater comment (users like you), etc). I stay on topic and you go off on some really wild tangents. I'm always amused by where you wind up.
I thought maybe we could have a pleasant conversation without all the vitriole but I can see that is not possible with you. Quite sad, really.

I'm very easy to talk to and nothing is pleasant about you or anyone else making up your own issues and saying I did or said somethings when I CLEARLY didn't. Sorry that's BS! It's a waste of time as well. You guys are exactly the Thought Police you try to pin on me, "arrest that man, he called AMD second rate on the AMD side of the Forum". NO ONE on the Intel side of the forum flamed me when I said. "Geesh dewds P4 got Pimp slapped on that whole shootout". So when AMD slapped we have good old you and friends to defend them

I didn't make a leap, it's what was said to me and the names I was called LOL! I stand by saying Dell was constantly bashed here until they started dealing with AMD. That's not an Opinion but a phuckin' fact. Trying to say they weren't is BS! NO ONE steps up to correct that most whackeyest of claims when it's negative and about Intel. Yet, the first positive thing said brings, Off topic complaints, name calling and etc..

You've been on more "wild tangents" than anyone here. Most of what I brought up has direct ties to Dell and AMD. Your trying to change and spin what I said as open forum complaint against every Intel Fan who may have hurt your feelings is a shame and truely off topic.

Your coming to conclusions based what you thought I MIGHT say or what I MIGHT think is DUMB! Why not just ask me if I think Intel is Humble, does Intel have a small ego, if the aren't scumbags and then I can answer those questions. But that would be too easy and fair uh? Listed and numbered reasons and all you done is try to wiggle away instead of addressing them. Dell doesn't operate in a VIOD with AMD.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMacAttack
Well all I can say is opinions are like noses - everyone has one. As I have said before, when you can buy the company and run it your way then your opinion will count for something. Same with me.


You can do the same buddy, you aren't Dell or AMD, that make your opinion just like mine, meaningless=P

I do believe that was the point of my post. Its just that I'm not the one pointing out how "lame" Dell is for marketing AMD products at this point in time. *shrug*

I can see having a "discussion" with you is pretty pointless so 'll just move on and leave you to your delusions...Let everyone else read the entire thread and draw their own conclusions. I'd rather talk about AMD and Dell than play "listen to what I meant, not what I said" with you anyway.

 

[DocFaustus]

Sweet! you destroyed another thread Donnie27. You are becoming quite good at this.

 

[Donnie27]

I do believe that was the point of my post. Its just that I'm not the one pointing out how "lame" Dell is for marketing AMD products at this point in time. *shrug*

I can see having a "discussion" with you is pretty pointless so 'll just move on and leave you to your delusions...Let everyone else read the entire thread and draw their own conclusions. I'd rather talk about AMD and Dell than play "listen to what I meant, not what I said" with you anyway.

Simply put dewd, I said what I said and meant what I said. NOT what you thought I said hehehe! You're at your best with stuff like ""listen to what I meant, not what I said" with you anyway" right after I asked you to stop doing that, oh brother!

I stand by what I said as well. The only thing pointless is your trying to spin what I said. There is no discussions when you keep making up the issues! You don't need me since you've NOT addressing anything I brought up about AMD and Dell. As you argue with yourself of your own issues, you can do that by yourself

 

[BigMacAttack]

Sweet! you destroyed another thread Donnie27. You are becoming quite good at this.

I guess I'm not alone...
Here's a piece of advice though. If you don't want to be the so called "victim" (as you so porrtray yourself) then don't poke your nose into issues that really don't concern you. You (and the rest of us) will be a whole lot happier.

 

[DocFaustus]

I guess I'm not alone...
Here's a piece of advice though. If you don't want to be the so called "victim" (as you so porrtray yourself) then don't poke your nose into issues that really don't concern you. You (and the rest of us) will be a whole lot happier.

No victims here. I just call ‘em like I see ‘em.



I do apologize for not giving you the proper credit and attention you desire on helping bring the thread down. Have a great day.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Thanks - u2 BTW my comments were not directed your way, I'm sorry I didn't make that clear, but I'll take my share of responsibility in this fiasco none the less. I just get tired of thread crappers who stir up trouble and then portray themselves as innocent victims. Perhaps its just time to lock this thing down and move on. Its quite obvious the thread has been entirely lost.

 

[FrgMstr]

Well, if you have not figured out the situation by now, you are not likely to. Let's put a bullet in this one.