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I am back from vacation from the outer banks. :cool: It was awesome, but now back to crunching.

Farms back up and running ABC until that gets over 9k. Good Job while I was gone guys!
 
Welcome back Eric.
There are some Lattice Project work left if you want some.
 
Here's how close we are to moving up in various categories:

Physics: #19, 1.31 points behind #18
Biology: #23, 695.54 points behind #22
Math: #11, 53.98 points behind #10
Misc: #16, 599.53 points behind #15
Overall #12, 141.45 points behind #11

BTW, I just installed Windows Server 2008 R2 RC, and it was pretty much just as fast and easy as the Windows 7 installs. It's amazing how far MS has come with their OSes. I can't wait to move from Server 2003 to 2008 R2 at work.
 
etothe3ric said:
I am back from vacation from the outer banks. :cool: It was awesome, but now back to crunching.

Farms back up and running ABC until that gets over 9k. Good Job while I was gone guys!
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Ditto I got a fair bit of firepower on ABC now. The work units are crunching through fast. I'm probably doing over 50 a day.
 
SazanEyes said:
Here's how close we are to moving up in various categories:

Physics: #19, 1.31 points behind #18
Biology: #23, 695.54 points behind #22
Math: #11, 53.98 points behind #10
Misc: #16, 599.53 points behind #15
Overall #12, 141.45 points behind #11

BTW, I just installed Windows Server 2008 R2 RC, and it was pretty much just as fast and easy as the Windows 7 installs. It's amazing how far MS has come with their OSes. I can't wait to move from Server 2003 to 2008 R2 at work.
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yeah im working on EON right now.. should get a far bit of points if i can get us up a few places.. by the end of today i should have over 10k points added to EON.. and this is after i had paused it for 4 hours due to my room being over 100F..
 
EricE, I see you have joined MJ-12. I could use some help there so thanks for that.
I noticed that your completion rate was low and DNS errors were up so I am offering to help with some things I have learned in my process of running MJ-12.

What is your up/down Kbits speed? with this info I can suggest up/down connection speed settings and limit slider placement (options Connection tab) and max workers and buckets allowed (options Crawler tab).

You may be having DNS error problems due to your service provider, if this is the case use OpenDNS it's free and your DNS error problems will be gone.
Just regester, set your settings and download the Auto IP updater. Then put the new DNS numbers in your router for all your computers or in your network connection settings on your MJ-12 computer.

I's be glad to help get you up and running so we can crawl our way to the top of the MJ-12 team chart.:D
 
Awesome we passed Crunchers Inc on the physical science category, but we're still 150ish away from taking the overall spot from them
 
Razor_FX_II said:
EricE, I see you have joined MJ-12. I could use some help there so thanks for that.
I noticed that your completion rate was low and DNS errors were up so I am offering to help with some things I have learned in my process of running MJ-12.

What is your up/down Kbits speed? with this info I can suggest up/down connection speed settings and limit slider placement (options Connection tab) and max workers and buckets allowed (options Crawler tab).

You may be having DNS error problems due to your service provider, if this is the case use OpenDNS it's free and your DNS error problems will be gone.
Just regester, set your settings and download the Auto IP updater. Then put the new DNS numbers in your router for all your computers or in your network connection settings on your MJ-12 computer.

I's be glad to help get you up and running so we can crawl our way to the top of the MJ-12 team chart.:D
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my up/down speed is 9mbps and 384 kbps. I have set static DNS to 24.92.226.40 and 41.

I will try the OpenDNS. I have used it before but never really noticed a difference. I shall try it once again.

I would be more then welcome for your knowledge on the buckets and workers :)
 
Razor_FX_II said:
SazanEyes you may want to consider a 4870 that vent heat outside the case.
I run the Sapphire 100259-1GL and get great overclock and temps stay at 85C with %100 fan which makes them pretty noisy but I dont mind for the RAC I'm getting from them.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801
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Yeah, I've been reading the reviews and everyone complains about the heat with these ATI cards. That's why I'm not folding on my 8800GTS, it was cooking everything else in my case (the Lian Li has nice ventilation, I just have it packed full of stuff). I actually have room for two video cards and the mobo supports Crossfire, but that makes getting the heat out even more important.

Is there any advantage to a 1GB card over a 512MB card? I currently have a 19" CRT monitor for this machine, and although I might upgrade the monitor, I don't plan to do much gaming on this card. It looks like the 512MB 4870s are about the same price as the 1GB 4850s.
 
Whew. Ive been out of town for the weekend and it looks like we are damn close to taking the 11th spot. Nice work Commandos!

Sazan - I would recommend a double slot cooler that vents outside the case. My 4850 is a single slot cooler and the fan is REALLY loud and it gets plenty warm during the summer. Might also want to take a look at the XFX cards. One of the few ATI makers to offer a Lifetime warranty.

Razor & tr0ach - Great work on Milkyway! :)
 
metallicafan said:
Whew. Ive been out of town for the weekend and it looks like we are damn close to taking the 11th spot. Nice work Commandos!

Sazan - I would recommend a double slot cooler that vents outside the case. My 4850 is a single slot cooler and the fan is REALLY loud and it gets plenty warm during the summer. Might also want to take a look at the XFX cards. One of the few ATI makers to offer a Lifetime warranty.

Razor & tr0ach - Great work on Milkyway! :)
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double lifetime warranty.. :p


for distributing computing apps.. no there is isnt a difference between 512mb and 1gb cards, sazaneyes..
 
I'm starting to lean toward the 4850, since they're mostly just over $100. I don't really want to put too much money into this, and the 4850 is reportedly almost as good as the 4870 (50K RAC vs. 60K RAC).

For cards that exhaust the heat out of the case, it looks like the choices are XFX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150337

or HIS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161244

They're both $110. The XFX has the lifetime warranty, but I'm leaning toward the HIS and its better cooling and overclocking ability. I haven't owned an ATI card since the RIVA TNT2, so I'm kinda interested to check out the modern cards. :p
 
SazanEyes said:
I'm starting to lean toward the 4850, since they're mostly just over $100. I don't really want to put too much money into this, and the 4850 is reportedly almost as good as the 4870 (50K RAC vs. 60K RAC).

For cards that exhaust the heat out of the case, it looks like the choices are XFX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150337

or HIS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161244

They're both $110. The XFX has the lifetime warranty, but I'm leaning toward the HIS and its better cooling and overclocking ability. I haven't owned an ATI card since the RIVA TNT2, so I'm kinda interested to check out the modern cards. :p
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overclock the 4850 and you should easily get the same numbers as the 4870.. they are both the exact same gpu's and shader counts.. the only thing different between the 4850 and 4870 is the ddr3 vs ddr5 which shouldnt effect the output by 10k RAC..


go with XFX you wont regret it..
 
etothe3ric said:
my up/down speed is 9mbps and 384 kbps. I have set static DNS to 24.92.226.40 and 41.

I will try the OpenDNS. I have used it before but never really noticed a difference. I shall try it once again.

I would be more then welcome for your knowledge on the buckets and workers :)
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Try setting your down connection to 9216 and put the slider at 90%
and your up connection to 384 and put the sliders as 90%
and try 100 max crawlers with 100 max buckets with 100 bucket reserve.

If that runs well then up your max crawlers to 125 then 150.
Let me know if there is anything else I can help with.
 
SazanEyes said:
Yeah, I've been reading the reviews and everyone complains about the heat with these ATI cards. That's why I'm not folding on my 8800GTS, it was cooking everything else in my case (the Lian Li has nice ventilation, I just have it packed full of stuff). I actually have room for two video cards and the mobo supports Crossfire, but that makes getting the heat out even more important.

Is there any advantage to a 1GB card over a 512MB card? I currently have a 19" CRT monitor for this machine, and although I might upgrade the monitor, I don't plan to do much gaming on this card. It looks like the 512MB 4870s are about the same price as the 1GB 4850s.
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The reviews that I have read say that there really is very little difference in performance between the 512mb and 1gb unless running game like Crysis with large amount of textures then it only made a small difference.
 
Thanks for the ATI help guys. I'll read some more reviews and let you know if/when I get something.
 
Razor_FX_II said:
Try setting your down connection to 9216 and put the slider at 90%
and your up connection to 384 and put the sliders as 90%
and try 100 max crawlers with 100 max buckets with 100 bucket reserve.

If that runs well then up your max crawlers to 125 then 150.
Let me know if there is anything else I can help with.
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100 buckets is to much for his connection.. it will choke it to death.. you are better off with a low bucket number but a high max crawlers.. otherwise it will only do 1 crawler per bucket.. if you do a low bucket number you can have as much as 20-30 crawlers running on that single bucket when its set to 25 buckets and 100 crawlers..

yeah i spent weeks screwing with it to find the perfect balance when i had my 6/384 connection.. with my 20/2 connection i have now i can run 50 bucks 200 crawlers and keep my connection maxed out the whole time..

also keep an eye on your router and if your connection starts going in and out.. depending on what router you have and what modem you have there is a maximum amount of concurrent connections they can handle.. my modem maxes out at 250 concurrent connections, my current router which is a netgear pos(can remember the model) maxes out at 225 connections.. my old airlink101 maxed out at 175, and my old dlink DI-624 maxed out at 150 concurrent connections.. the more cache the router has the more connections it can handle..
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
100 buckets is to much for his connection.. it will choke it to death.. you are better off with a low bucket number but a high max crawlers.. otherwise it will only do 1 crawler per bucket.. if you do a low bucket number you can have as much as 20-30 crawlers running on that single bucket when its set to 25 buckets and 100 crawlers..

yeah i spent weeks screwing with it to find the perfect balance when i had my 6/384 connection.. with my 20/2 connection i have now i can run 50 bucks 200 crawlers and keep my connection maxed out the whole time..

also keep an eye on your router and if your connection starts going in and out.. depending on what router you have and what modem you have there is a maximum amount of concurrent connections they can handle.. my modem maxes out at 250 concurrent connections, my current router which is a netgear pos(can remember the model) maxes out at 225 connections.. my old airlink101 maxed out at 175, and my old dlink DI-624 maxed out at 150 concurrent connections.. the more cache the router has the more connections it can handle..
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I run 100 max buckets with 200 workers on a 10,240Kbit downstream (slider 100%) and 768Kbit upstream (slider 60%) and crawl 5 million URLs per day with a 90%-93% completation rate.
I have never seen my buckets get over 60 in use and I get complete full usage of my network connection.

Edit:
Eric be sure to use MJ-12 version 1.6.9 (I didn't have good luck with the new beta) and it will need 50%-100% of 1 cpu core to feed it and archive in.
If you have troubles with the settings I suggested try lowering you upstream slider down 10% at a time (60% lowest) then "reset crawled numbers" and let it run for at least an hour to see if it helps.
When changing max workers MJ-12 must be restarted for changes to take effect. Up/downstream sliders can be changed without restarting MJ-12.
 
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SazanEyes said:
I'm starting to lean toward the 4850, since they're mostly just over $100. I don't really want to put too much money into this, and the 4850 is reportedly almost as good as the 4870 (50K RAC vs. 60K RAC).

For cards that exhaust the heat out of the case, it looks like the choices are XFX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150337

or HIS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161244

They're both $110. The XFX has the lifetime warranty, but I'm leaning toward the HIS and its better cooling and overclocking ability. I haven't owned an ATI card since the RIVA TNT2, so I'm kinda interested to check out the modern cards. :p
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I just got that IceQ card and its great, running in the low 50's at 660mhz 100%fan.
 
tr0ach said:
I just got that IceQ card and its great, running in the low 50's at 660mhz 100%fan.
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Is the fan relatively quiet? I read some reviews and both cards seem to have quality HSF designs. People seem to say the XFX is loud, but I haven't seen reviews from crunchers manually setting the fans at 100% for comparison.
 
SazanEyes said:
Is the fan relatively quiet? I read some reviews and both cards seem to have quality HSF designs. People seem to say the XFX is loud, but I haven't seen reviews from crunchers manually setting the fans at 100% for comparison.
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It would be hard to say definitively as said card resides in an Antec900 with everything on full.
I would say it blends in and doesn't have an offensive pitch, and is quieter than its neighbor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131125R
 
tr0ach said:
I just got that IceQ card and its great, running in the low 50's at 660mhz 100%fan.
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I know that Evil is using the 4850s with the IceQ coolers and he has liked them IIRC. Last I knew he was folding with them and hadnt had any issues. If interested you might want to send him a PM.
 
Been a while since we got to post one of these:

Overall Team Position: (
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1) 11
Overall Team Score: (
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100.404542) 331,869.433766

Great job on the Majestic-12 crunching. It looks like that pushed us over the top.
 
I am running Majestic-12 at 70% / 50% of my 9/384 connection. I am running 50 workers with 25 buckets.

Does that sound okay? I had some difficultly with 100 workers because it slowed down my internet almost to a halt.
 
SazanEyes said:
Been a while since we got to post one of these:

Overall Team Position: (
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1) 11
Overall Team Score: (
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100.404542) 331,869.433766

Great job on the Majestic-12 crunching. It looks like that pushed us over the top.
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Yeah alright! Too bad its another 12k to Anandtech, its gonna be a long push to get up there.
 
etothe3ric said:
I am running Majestic-12 at 70% / 50% of my 9/384 connection. I am running 50 workers with 25 buckets.

Does that sound okay? I had some difficultly with 100 workers because it slowed down my internet almost to a halt.
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In a bucket there are multiple DNS's - lets say 5.
with a max of 50 workers that would mean a max of 10 buckets would be used - but ...
as you get to the end of buckets there is lets say 1 DNS left which means you would need (50workers * 1 = 50) 50 buckets. (rarely will you have only 1 DNS in all your buckets)
10-50 buckets is what you will need for all 50 workers to keep running. (50 bucket max which is 1 worker per bucket)

Example:
If 50% of you buckets are nearly done you would need (50workers/2*1worker per almost done bucket=25buckets) + the other 50% of you workers(50workers/2=25workers/5workers per full bucket=5buckets. So 25buckets +5buckets =30buckets.

There is no harm in setting your max buckets to the same number as you max workers. MJ-12 uses the number of workers * DNS's in a single bucket. If max workers has not been reached yet then it will start a new bucket.

Just because you say 50 buckets max doesn't mean that MJ-12 will run 1worker per bucket until max workers is reached - you can say 200bucket max with 50workers max and it will use on average 30buckets - not 50.

If you set you max buckets too low as you complete buckets there will not be enough DNS per* partially used on new buckets to keep all 50 workers running so you end up with only 20-30 workers running. (Most people set max buckets 2/3 there max workers number).
2/3= 0.66 * 50 workers = 33 buckets.

I personally would suggest setting you max buckets to 35 if 50 workers is what works best for you. (I bet it wont ever use that many - and so what if it does - its the workers that use the bandwidth not how many buckets you have open)

The only thing that you can gain by limiting you max URL buckets is using less hard drive space but if you set max buckets too low you can limit you potential bandwidth utilization (which should be done with sliders and max workers anyway).

I hope I have been clear on this subject - it is not hard to understand but with the confusion brought into the subject I thought it best to explain in length.
 
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Shlomo said:
Yeah alright! Too bad its another 12k to Anandtech, its gonna be a long push to get up there.
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im working on eon right now.. if i can get us up a few places.. should be able to get us another 200-500 points if i did my math right.. but its going to take me a while to catch up to the team ahead of us.. last night i did 8000 WU's.. so far today im already passed 8k because i didnt pause it at all today.. so if i can avg 10-11k WU's a day we should be caught up to the next team in EON in about 6 days
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
im working on eon right now.. if i can get us up a few places.. should be able to get us another 200-500 points if i did my math right.. but its going to take me a while to catch up to the team ahead of us.. last night i did 8000 WU's.. so far today im already passed 8k because i didnt pause it at all today.. so if i can avg 10-11k WU's a day we should be caught up to the next team in EON in about 6 days
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I'll have to switch a few boxes over to eon once we get 9000 in ABC
 
Shlomo said:
I'll have to switch a few boxes over to eon once we get 9000 in ABC
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if you have any old systems around the house.. throw them on eon.. i currently have my 2 old ass laptops running it.. a pentium m 1.7ghz and athlon xp-m 2400+.. the pentium does about 500 WU's a day and the athlon does about 400 if it doesnt overheat during the day which it usually does anyways.. piece of junk heatsink on that laptop.. its about these two laptops are good for.. plus im running eon on my phenom II 940 @ 3.5ghz on all 4 cores running 20 crunchers.. i may try 30 or 40 crunchers tonight see if it improves my output..
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
if you have any old systems around the house.. throw them on eon.. i currently have my 2 old ass laptops running it.. a pentium m 1.7ghz and athlon xp-m 2400+.. the pentium does about 500 WU's a day and the athlon does about 400 if it doesnt overheat during the day which it usually does anyways.. piece of junk heatsink on that laptop.. its about these two laptops are good for.. plus im running eon on my phenom II 940 @ 3.5ghz on all 4 cores running 20 crunchers.. i may try 30 or 40 crunchers tonight see if it improves my output..
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I found on a quad core that 5 workers ran best for me on EON.
1 per core and 1 extra running to keep the CPU usage up at 100% when one work unit finishes and grabs a new unit and rejoins the other 4 that are still crunching.
It's like having 1 worker playing fetch to keep the other 4 workers filled with work to keep the CPU at 100%

Max clients to start 5
Max system wide CPU% 100
Max crunchers 5
 
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Razor_FX_II said:
I found on a quad core that 5 workers ran best for me on EON.
1 per core and 1 extra running to keep the CPU usage up at 100% when one work unit finishes and grabs a new unit and rejoins the other 4 that are still crunching.
It's like having 1 worker playing fetch to keep the other 4 workers filled with work to keep the CPU at 100%

Max clients to start 5
Max system wide CPU% 100
Max crunchers 5
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yeah ive messed around with it.. my time per WU seems to be within 1-2 seconds per WU when using 30 or 20 crunchers plus 2 in reserve as it would be with 4 crunchers and 2 in reserve.. cpu usage is at 100% with all the different settings..

im trying 30 right now.. see if my output is more or less then it was with 20 yesterday..




the WU elapse time max is due to me pausing the client when im playing ET:QW..


ok 30 crunchers was to much.. my output was cut in half.. now back to 20.. might try lower just to see what effect it has..
 
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Thanks Razor for the explanation on majestic-12 I am running now 50 workers on 35 buckets.

I also am running eon on 2 older p4s.
 
SazanEyes said:
I'm starting to lean toward the 4850, since they're mostly just over $100. I don't really want to put too much money into this, and the 4850 is reportedly almost as good as the 4870 (50K RAC vs. 60K RAC).

For cards that exhaust the heat out of the case, it looks like the choices are XFX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150337

or HIS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161244

They're both $110. The XFX has the lifetime warranty, but I'm leaning toward the HIS and its better cooling and overclocking ability. I haven't owned an ATI card since the RIVA TNT2, so I'm kinda interested to check out the modern cards. :p
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Just as a bump, the HIS card is now $100 - $20MIR = $80 total... Anyone have luck with the HIS rebates? Never bought from them before, but this sounds great to replace my 8600GT that keeps bluescreening my gaming rig trying to run the new RC5-72 beta client...
 
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