DAN C4-SFX: The smallest water cooling case in the world

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by dondan, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. Notional

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    Oh, btw. Have you seen the new side panel "hooks" that Lian Li has made? You won't need any holes in glass panels with them, as they are glued:


    That is a steel case, but it 130$ with 2 glass panels.
     
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  2. dondan

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    If you view the video you can see that the metal sheet + 3M tape + tempered glass sandwitch is very thick. You need 6.5mm for it. Take a look on your ruler and you will see how thick this is. On a 40L case this doesn't matter but on the C4-SFX the case will bee much wider 127.3mm vs 137.5mm.

    Maybe it will be possible if Lian Li could get 4mm tempered glass from china and i will glue the glass from the inside on the panel like the new panels for the M1.
     
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  3. Notional

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    The metal strip is super thin. No more than 1mm I'd guess. The glass itself is thick, but also quite large. With a smaller piece, you could keep it at a solid 3mm, but 4 is also fine. The window kit really just needs to be 1 side on the GPU side. No reason to have a glass panel on the backside, as it will suffocate the PSU, and maybe an M.2 SSD on the back of the motherboard.

    A glass panel will add thickness to the side, but that is also the case, if you go with an acrylic panel. To me, having the case be 2-5mm thicker on the side to have tempered glass compared to acrylic is well worth it.

    Anyways, it's just an idea, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing the prototypes when you get them. Keep up the good work :)
     
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  4. dondan

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    Here are two versions that shows how it will look like with tempered glass.

    The first version will be compatible to the side I/O concept and top I/O conecpt. The glass panel will be glued from the inside.

    The second version will be only compatible to the top I/O conect. The glass panel will be glues from the outside. Now you can see how much thickness this will add.


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    It is only a example to show you what options we have with tempered glass.
     
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    What happened to the full sized glass side panels from the renderings?

    edit: ah nvm, those were acrylic instead of glass, right?
     
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    I think it looks much better with acrylic.
     
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  7. Talyrius

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    I'll never again buy a case with an acrylic side panel/window. It's a terrible substitute for glass.
     
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    If I purchase this case its with the intention of carrying it around with me. So I feel like an acrylic side panel would me more suitable.
     
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  9. Dra1c

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    if you like scratches. Otherwise glass is better.
     
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    I prefer the unibody version at post #525 anyway. It's a good look - a 'Dancase' look - so IMO you should stick with it. An alternative might be to tweak the design of the A4 at the same time as you do this one to bring it in line.
     
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  11. dondan

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    @All: Wahaha360 found a supplier that can do 2mm black tempered glass. I will test it with these designs:

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  12. duke00

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    I Hope this work :D it looks amazing
     
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    If the supplier can do this with tempered Glass, I'd want this case even more than I want it right now ^^
     
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    This might be the best news I have heard this week. Cant wait to see how it goes!!!
     
  15. Notional

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    This would be my dream case. I am a little worried about 2mm thickness. Would be it possible to buy extra, if they break?
     
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    Here is an interesting documentation how to easy install an Asetek AIO on a GTX Founders Edition card without disassembly the complete card.
    Keep in mind you need a special Asetek GPU AIO for this! The tubes are straight out and you need a NVIDIA, AMD retention plate.

    The following sets are suitable and have all the necessary parts included:
    • Arctic Accelero Hybrid II
    • Arctic Accelero Hybrid III
    • EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 Hybrid
    • Asetek 740GN

    https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/gtx-1080-fe-gtx-980ti-hybrid-radiator-oc-temp-results.2479044/


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    (Credits to "Annisman*" from AnandTech)
     
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  17. primcrew

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    i kinda of did that with a asetek 92mm aio rad. i didnt have a fe card or a blower style card and it was cooking my case. so what i did was get a kraken g12, cut off the name plate,couldnt put the g12 fan on but i could still mount the aio, put the psu outside the case and put the aio rad in its place. its funny the side panel holes almost line up with 92mm aio rad holes. so right now i have 2 92mm rads inside the case, one for the gpu and on for the cpu. if would think you could kinda just make the case a little bigger and be able to put in 120 mm rads? and maybe a way for me to put back in the psu lol
     
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    You are in the C4-SFX thread so yes 2x120mm rads will fit.
     
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  19. primcrew

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    no im in the first version a4sfx
     
  20. Mrclean

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    Hes not talking about your case, he's talking about what thread this conversation is happening in...
     
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    dondan i know this might sound a bit crazy for a small case like the C4 but do you think a push-pull config is even possible? Look at the example below.

    The only problem I see is the C14 Power Connector. Correct me if I'm wrong :)

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  22. dondan

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    Under the PSU it will fit but next to the motherboard there is not enough space to fit a 120mm fan.
     
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    Maybe a 120+92mm fan arrangement on top then?
     
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    This will work :)
     
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    Any updates on testing in the c4?
     
  26. dondan

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    I will get both samples in the next two weeks.
     
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    I cant wait to buy one :)
     
  28. dondan

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    Today I ordered the first part for the C4-SFX.


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    Today I ordered 2x the brand new NF A12x25 PWM fans:

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    They were in development for many years. It will be tested against Scythe Gentle Typhoons in the C4-SFX.
     
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    Sooo where did you buy them :)?
     
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    Probably from Ebay: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM Sterrox LCP fan

    Interview with Lars Strömbäck (Noctua CTO) about the development of the NF-A12x25 fan:
     
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    On Tuesday the prototypes are ready to ship.
     
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    I'm thinking of a custom CPU loop with an aircooled GPU. I'm hoping that a small pump like this will fit under the PSU. And a custom sandwich style acrylic res to fill the space between the GPU and radiator.
    But I'll have to await final measurements to make sure of the clearances first.
     
  36. dondan

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    Here are some first shots of the C4-SFX made by Lian Li. I will get more the next days. Keep in mind, that the Window panel screws are not the correct one. Currently you see a acrylic sample of the Window Kit because the tempered glass version isn't done:

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    With best regards
    Daniel Hansen
     
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    Yah. I want it.
     
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    I really like the "feet" good job.
     
  39. AlMiDaX

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    The prototype already looks amazing! Great job dondan :)
     
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