CoD4 Hardcore mode?? More like WUSS-mode!

[Savoy]

You know not to come across arogant but. I have played quite a bit of both modes. and I have to say I'm pretty dam good at both modes.

Now. I much prefer HC mode for all the reasons mentioned here. however I do sometimes play normal too. and never go away from a round saying to myself. wow that was a lot harder or shit these guys are better than I'm used too.

In the end it's all bullshit. the good players will be good no matter the mode.

Remember cream always rises to the top. Peace.


Oh let me add one thing. I recently played a few hours on a custom map normal mode server and actually came out of it saying to myself that was a lot easier than I'm used too.

I actually found myself running around like a madman almost with impunity. Why you ask? Easy. thye couldn't kill me before I could kill 3-5 of them at least. If that had been an HC server odds are with my good aim or not I would have died a lot more. The end.

 

[RESTfulADI]

You cant hate hardcore just because you cant play. Dont hate the mode, hate the game. You could just decide to learn how to play hardcore... it might be harder, but you'll get better at it.

I agree, there should be a filter so that I can filter out all the noob normal mode servers.

Someone suggested a square-off between HC and normal players on some server...
You can look me up anytime: my handle is JimBobFett.

I find it amusing how you assume to know what I can play and can't. I hate hardcore because it's too easy, but go ahead and keep telling yourself that you are good just because you play a mode called "hardcore", I'd love to see you on a PAM4 CEVO ruleset server.

 

[grendel240sx]

I've been playing on this server running some mod called biohazard or something like that.

It's like hardcore with no radar/hud, but you have a life bar. Most of the weapons are a little toned down from regular. IE an M14/G3 aren't 1 shot kills most of the time. Takes 4 kills to get a UAV, 6 for airstrike and 8 for chopper. When people die, they drop health boxes that will refil your life, but the box is only on the ground for like 10 secs then disappears.

It's really fun. When that server is full, I play on any random server... can't stand regular mode anymore

 

[Wally]

That's why I said in my post (which you quoted) If dev's named it Realism this thread wouldn't exist. I started it because I can't get a normal server to play on because noobs are dumb enough to think because its called hardcore its actually harder.

So in the future, devs..call it realism. /endthread

That's what I'm getting at. You allege that 'noobs play hardcore because they think it's harder/makes them pro' but you're the only fucking person that thinks this way. The reality here, son, is that more people enjoy Hardcore servers than console-mode, so more servers cater for that.

People don't play hardcore because it makes them awesome; we're not all pubhero superstars like you, playing to prove. More people play to enjoy, and if they enjoy hardcore, the majority of servers will run hardcore.

What is wrong with you?

 

[undertheradar]

well, I think that a 'realistic' name might make sense to some... Ill give him that. Many people do equate 'real life' with 'hardcore' though... you know? I mean, is there something more 'hardcore' than no handycaps, no team UAV, deadlier weapons, no crosshairs? Really... its one and the same.

So okay... perhaps 'arcade' mode and 'realism' mode...lol, or, as I would prefer to call them 'console' and 'l33t' modes.

 

[undertheradar]

I find it amusing how you assume to know what I can play and can't. I hate hardcore because it's too easy, but go ahead and keep telling yourself that you are good just because you play a mode called "hardcore", I'd love to see you on a PAM4 CEVO ruleset server.

Im glad you can find amusement for yourself, and I dont care how you would love to see me on the internet. Ill just stick to the facts: if you arent a noob, you would use your favorites to simply mark all the servers you like so you dont have to go looking around, and you wouldnt be here complaining about how you cant find your 'pac man' servers...lol.

 

[RESTfulADI]

Im glad you can find amusement for yourself, and I dont care how you would love to see me on the internet. Ill just stick to the facts: if you arent a noob, you would use your favorites to simply mark all the servers you like so you dont have to go looking around, and you wouldnt be here complaining about how you cant find your 'pac man' servers...lol.

my mistake, I should have said that would love to see you TRY on PAM4 server, your 'hardcore' skills would get owned by people with decent reflexes which you apparently lack or you wouldn't be playing hardcore to begin with or going after people who have them.

 

[Wally]

Quick, sling conjecture and presumption because you've nothing worth actually saying in retaliation!

 

[Spetsdod]

my mistake, I should have said that would love to see you TRY on PAM4 server, your 'hardcore' skills would get owned by people with decent reflexes which you apparently lack or you wouldn't be playing hardcore to begin with or going after people who have them.

Funny thing is, I went and played Normal mode servers last night and I was always the top player on my team, usually outscoring anyone else by 4 or 5 to 1 (44-50 kills, closest other player was 11-15), and about 2/3 of the time first on the server, even considering my team sucked so bad. Didn't win every one, didn't expect to. But it was laughable the number of times I would pump an entire clip into someone (probably using Juggernaut), just to have them jumping around like a rabbit, duck behind a wall, then turn around and get a lucky headshot. I guess if that's what it takes for you to feel like you have skill, then more power to you.

I would propose just the opposite to you, Shiz. Come play on an HC server. Your 'pro-normal' skills would get owned by people with the ability to shoot first, and stay hidden. You seem to think that being able to aim well alone makes you a better player. I would suggest that if you could aim back fast enough to kill someone before they kill you without the crutch of need 4x the health and lower weapon damage that would be a better measurement of ability.

Give me the IP address of a server with your PAM4 mod that I get good ping on and I'll come test my mettle.

 

[grendel240sx]

my mistake, I should have said that would love to see you TRY on PAM4 server, your 'hardcore' skills would get owned by people with decent reflexes which you apparently lack or you wouldn't be playing hardcore to begin with or going after people who have them.

I'd like to try out a PAM4 server just for a change of pace. Know any running custom maps?

 

[RESTfulADI]

Funny thing is, I went and played Normal mode servers last night and I was always the top player on my team, usually outscoring anyone else by 4 or 5 to 1 (44-50 kills, closest other player was 11-15), and about 2/3 of the time first on the server, even considering my team sucked so bad. Didn't win every one, didn't expect to. But it was laughable the number of times I would pump an entire clip into someone (probably using Juggernaut), just to have them jumping around like a rabbit, duck behind a wall, then turn around and get a lucky headshot. I guess if that's what it takes for you to feel like you have skill, then more power to you.

I would propose just the opposite to you, Shiz. Come play on an HC server. Your 'pro-normal' skills would get owned by people with the ability to shoot first, and stay hidden. You seem to think that being able to aim well alone makes you a better player. I would suggest that if you could aim back fast enough to kill someone before they kill you without the crutch of need 4x the health and lower weapon damage that would be a better measurement of ability.

Give me the IP address of a server with your PAM4 mod that I get good ping on and I'll come test my mettle.

I'll on my laptop now and it can't run COD4 but ill give you an ip tomorrow. There is no juggernaut on league ruleset servers btw, only bandolier, stopping power, and deep impact/iron lungs, I agree most perks are bullshit and maybe that's part of the reason many people play hardcore. I never said that my aim is amazing or that it is the only reason I think hardcore mode sucks. The reason I think it sucks is because it stresses hiding vs action, and it allows people with terrible aim to shoot you in the foot and kill you, especially given how the guns are super easy to shoot with no recoil at all.

 

[Spetsdod]

I'll on my laptop now and it can't run COD4 but ill give you an ip tomorrow. There is no juggernaut on league ruleset servers btw, only bandolier, stopping power, and deep impact/iron lungs, I agree most perks are bullshit and maybe that's part of the reason many people play hardcore. I never said that my aim is amazing or that it is the only reason I think hardcore mode sucks. The reason I think it sucks it the it stresses hiding vs action, and it allows people with terrible aim to shoot you in the foot and kill you, especially given how the guns are super easy to shoot with no recoil at all.

Fair enough. I did make an assumption, so I'm sorry for that. I was referencing

would get owned by people with decent reflexes

I guess my position is that having decent reflexes is more important on a server where you die if you get shot once, than on a server where you die if you get shot 10 times. As I mentioned in an earlier post I think that it is harder to play on a server where you die easily than it is on a server where it's just harder kill the other guy.

I know people like action, but I want a good tactical team based shooter, not Quake Rocket Arena. =) The constantly changing spawn locations, and people running around like they're on cocaine is a bit less fun to me.

The thing I hate about mods is that every time I play on a mod server it screws up my custom kits. Also, as far as I'm aware, there isn't any difference in weapon recoil between normal and hardcore servers.

 

[undertheradar]

"The reason I think it sucks is because it stresses hiding vs action"

A hardcore server full of noobs is like this sometimes, but if you are on a server with halfway decent players on hardcore... its not like that. Try Chicago Hardcore or one of the other well known hardcore servers... its run & gun time, esp when a UAV goes up. I actually like it because of that. Its not just a constant spam fest or something... the pace of the game can slow down for a little, and then as soon as someone gets a UAV, or finds a back door or something, the pace picks up fast with hardcore. Most 'arcade' servers seem to just stay in top gear unless the number of players thins out. Not so much with hardcore... it goes up and down alot, and adding this element requires some good timing as well.

 

[Wally]

People camp just as much on console-core as hardcore. It's about the players, not the game mode. I'm perfectly happy running about with my silenced Skorpion if the occasion calls for it. It just sounds like all your arguments against/for revolve around the terribles playing, not the game mode.

 

[Ragenrok]

I've been playing on this server running some mod called biohazard or something like that.

It's like hardcore with no radar/hud, but you have a life bar. Most of the weapons are a little toned down from regular. IE an M14/G3 aren't 1 shot kills most of the time. Takes 4 kills to get a UAV, 6 for airstrike and 8 for chopper. When people die, they drop health boxes that will refil your life, but the box is only on the ground for like 10 secs then disappears.

It's really fun. When that server is full, I play on any random server... can't stand regular mode anymore

ohh I just found out about that server as well, me and my clan play on it lots and love it (if you see us our clan tags are [SS]), the new maps alone make the mod worth it. As far as were concerned the biohazard mod is how this game should of been made.

 

[Spetsdod]

I was playing there last night, and it was pretty fun. I don't like the BHZD logo popping up in the upper right corner all the time though. Shame that they feel like they have to keep reminding us that we're playing their mod.

 

[undertheradar]

Just got off [RANKED] Hardcore Chicago... its a 'non noob' server for the most part... if you try to camp you are toast just like a regular one. But people were runnin' & gunnin just like normal. You just need to be more aware of your surroundings BEFORE the enemy starts shooting at you (ooooo, burn!)... thats the major difference. Oh, and dolby 5.1 really helps in that department as well.

 

[undertheradar]

People camp just as much on console-core as hardcore. It's about the players, not the game mode. I'm perfectly happy running about with my silenced Skorpion if the occasion calls for it. It just sounds like all your arguments against/for revolve around the terribles playing, not the game mode.

Lol, that is one of the most unlikely gun picks in my experience... the scorp has the worst range of anything by far... its pretty much a machine-pistol. And the silencer makes it even weaker... but yeah... it works. I was getting pwned by someone on a hardcore server last night on the wetworks map with that exact same combo. He was running around going nuts on people and poppin off multiple backstabs at the same time...lol. It was freakin hilarious the second time around because we were on the same team and I used a the UZI/silencer combo to keep up with him... we pwned the whole other team by sprinting behind them and knifing the heck out of them. I think we got like 24 knife kills each.

Like I said, hardcore just means you have to be aware of your surroundings BEFORE the enemy starts firing at you, not after so you can duck behind a wall, spin around, bunny hop, and duck walk your way to kills while being almost oblivious as to whats going on with the rest of the map. If you are aware of the map and your enemies, campers wont get you, noobs will get pwned, etc. I quit playing for a few weeks (took a NFS: Prostreet detour), and needed a little bit to get back into the swing of things. But even though my aiming and gunnery skills were a little lagging, as soon as I got a feel for the maps again I was maintaining about a 5:1 kill ratio... all hardcore, all run & gun, no noob campers. If I was relying on 'Quake' skills to get me through, I would have been toast.

 

[Wally]

Lol, that is one of the most unlikely gun picks in my experience... the scorp has the worst range of anything by far... its pretty much a machine-pistol. And the silencer makes it even weaker... but yeah... it works. I was getting pwned by someone on a hardcore server last night on the wetworks map with that exact same combo. He was running around going nuts on people and poppin off multiple backstabs at the same time...lol. It was freakin hilarious the second time around because we were on the same team and I used a the UZI/silencer combo to keep up with him... we pwned the whole other team by sprinting behind them and knifing the heck out of them. I think we got like 24 knife kills each.

Yeah, that's the silenced skorpion experience. It's glitched, so that instead of lowering the range, the silencer makes it limitless. It's as accurate at the other end of the map as it is ten feet away. Combined with extreme conditioning/sleight of hand it's very easy to spack out and make people dead.

 

[Dethman]

wait, the scorpion with the silencer has unlimited range?

 

[Spetsdod]

Pretty much, yeah. It's been bugged since forever. Plus the damage isn't reduced as far as I can tell. People snipe with pretty effectively. It's not the only gun that is bugged either.

 

[undertheradar]

Do tell...

 

[grendel240sx]

I was playing there last night, and it was pretty fun. I don't like the BHZD logo popping up in the upper right corner all the time though. Shame that they feel like they have to keep reminding us that we're playing their mod.

Hey I saw you there the other night I play as Grendel on there

Man, its hard to get a slot on there during prime time

 

[obs]

I wish hardcore mode just removed the radar and kept the bullet damage/health.

 

[Spetsdod]

Hey I saw you there the other night I play as Grendel on there

Man, its hard to get a slot on there during prime time

It can be. I'm in Alaska though so my play time is after some folks have left. I really like a lot of the new maps. That alone makes it worth leveling up again. I could have sworn they had the Alcatraz map in rotation though. If not, they really need to. It's an awesome map. I wandered around that map for an hour looking at cool stuff. I think it's called "TheRock" or something like that.

 

[Gigantism]

What's funny is that I don't see HC people complaining.

After reading this thread, I actually went on a "normal" server, and played for a bit and did rather well.
I am not sure how true it would be the other way around.

And for those who keep saying " it's easier for n00bs on HC cause 1 bullet= kill", they should keep in mind that 1 bullet= death also. In HC, I don't only look at how many kills I got, but as well at how many deaths I got (ratio), which tells me, for TDM for exemple, how much I contributed to my team's points, and how much I "contributed" to the other team's points...

In HC killing may be easier, but staying alive is way harder...in any case it's just a matter of preference as others have mentioned. There is no right or wrong here...Unless one says HC is for noobs lol

 

[Wally]

Jep. Not one of these people that likes the e-willy-waving, but I prefer hardcore, yet get roped into matches with a clan running several servers; one mixed console-core, one mixed HC, and a PAM4 match server.

For someone that hates console-core, I can't help but think it's a bit of a sign when I join the 30-man console-core server on Domination and top the scoreboard 40-9ish inside ten minutes.

I think, at the end of the day, what we have here is a case of someone (OP) fancying themselves a pubstar and hating the fact that they get rolled on hardcore.

 

[grendel240sx]

It can be. I'm in Alaska though so my play time is after some folks have left. I really like a lot of the new maps. That alone makes it worth leveling up again. I could have sworn they had the Alcatraz map in rotation though. If not, they really need to. It's an awesome map. I wandered around that map for an hour looking at cool stuff. I think it's called "TheRock" or something like that.

Yea the rock map plays right after the office map. Those are the first two i ever played there

Do the super dark maps bug you too? The day maps are awesome for the most part, but the night maps that force you to wear NVG 100% of the time annoy me.

 

[Gigantism]

Yea the rock map plays right after the office map. Those are the first two i ever played there

Do the super dark maps bug you too? The day maps are awesome for the most part, but the night maps that force you to wear NVG 100% of the time annoy me.

Does the rock map have the whole "shower room" thing to it?
I'd like to give it a try...Also, can you hide in jail cells?

 

[Ub3rn00b]

Hardcore is about not being able to run around like it's a Quake game. IRL you get shot twice you're fucked.

I dunno..50 got shot 9 times and he's ok

 

[RX3]

Clearly, Visec, the failure of your argument lies in the fact that you are not acknowledging that in normal mode it is harder to kill someone and in hardcore mode it is harder to survive.

Personally, I think that it takes more skill to survive than to kill.

In normal mode, you can survive being shot many times and still turn around and get a lucky one shot kill on the person shooting you. In that case, it isn't hard to survive, it's hard to kill.

In hardcore mode, because you die if you get shot, you must be careful about how you move, where you move, when you move. It is hard to survive if you run around like Rambo, so it requires more skill to survive.

The breakdown in your argument becomes apparent because everyone has a different opinion of which skillset is "harder", killing or surviving. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that people have different opinions of what is "harder".

You also complain about campers a lot. Clearly, in this case, someone has figured out a skill set that allows them to overcome your preferred method of playing whereby you charge around like Rambo. One could argue, as has been said before, that if they are camping, you know where they are and should be able to adapt and either avoid them, thereby making their camping efforts boring and useless, or find a creative way to get around them and knife them or kill them.

Normal mode has many features that enable players who lack the ability to overcome challenges to survive anyway. UAV always up, kill cam pointing out where people are, etc, as well as the previously detailed argument that it is harder to kill in normal mode meaning you can "Rambo" your way up to them.

In the end, I have played both modes, but hardcore is far more entertaining to me, and is, in my opinion as well as many others, more challenging to play. You can have your normal servers, and I fully support the need for a HC filter in the server list. That way you don't end up on my servers and I don't end up on yours.

THANK YOU! I did not want to spend the time reading all the rants. Thank you for having a proper argument

 

[Tantrix]

IRL you get shot twice you're fucked.

Actually, IRL it all depends on where you are shot. Many people have been shot 5-8 times and lived. Some have taken 1 bullet and dropped dead. Shoot a deer 2 times in the leg and he'll be so far gone you won't find him again. Put 1 shot through the shoulder and he'll drop like a rock. Shot placement trumps everything.


(Btw- I am a certified firearms instructor and a hunter...so yes I speak from experience.)

 

[GDstew4]

sounds like instagib from UT

Same thought crossed my mind

 

[Gigantism]

Actually, IRL it all depends on where you are shot. Many people have been shot 5-8 times and lived. Some have taken 1 bullet and dropped dead. Shoot a deer 2 times in the leg and he'll be so far gone you won't find him again. Put 1 shot through the shoulder and he'll drop like a rock. Shot placement trumps everything.


(Btw- I am a certified firearms instructor and a hunter...so yes I speak from experience.)

hmm...let's put deers aside...

There is a difference between being shot 5-8 times and living through it, and being shot 5-8 times and turning around and shooting back and reloading your gun and running behind a wall and throwing grenades...

 

[gorilla show]

lol-- the only thing "hardcore" about HC mode is that I can snipe with a deagle and get a one-shot-one-kill almost always. This makes all weapons void for me in HC. Realistic? No, but I have so much fun in HC mode with the deagle.

 

[rxteenager]

I don't get why people complain about this, if you don't like hardcore.. then just don't play it. The server I play in usually has 30+ players on it so there's always lots of action. I feel it's more hectic and more intense. I do fairly well on both always placing on the top 5. But I do guess I did get a little spoiled by hardcore because it's just so easy to kill people hehe, but then again it's also easier to get killed. It's more like "intense mode" whatever it's still fun, if you don't like it then STFU and go play something else you pansy ass wuss.

 

[TheRapture]

The nade spam sucks....the extra health sucks....the "full on spray and pray hold the trigger down with no recoil" sucks....that is definitely NOT realistic, and "hard core" should mean "realistic".

I find the game fun, but the HC modes seem...silly. It's a mish mash of different things that don't belong together.

I like the normal mode, like Q3A, it allows some gunning and running, is still very competitive, and doesn't allow lame guys that have basically no aim to rack up kills by getting lucky hits with the aforementioned "spray and pray" style....

 

[kadozer]

Both modes are flawed... well bottom line is the game is fun until after the 3-4th game and you realize it needs more maps.

 

[grendel240sx]

It can be. I'm in Alaska though so my play time is after some folks have left. I really like a lot of the new maps. That alone makes it worth leveling up again. I could have sworn they had the Alcatraz map in rotation though. If not, they really need to. It's an awesome map. I wandered around that map for an hour looking at cool stuff. I think it's called "TheRock" or something like that.

Good playing with you the other night

What did you think of the updated mod? Pistols are ridiculous now...

I think the 2nd Biohazard server maps are a lot better than the 1st servers

 

[koopaGG]

Both modes are flawed... well bottom line is the game is fun until after the 3-4th game and you realize it needs more maps.

Needs more than that, the game itself is fairly mediocre. It's appeal only lasts a short while. Back to TF2 for me.