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CoD4 Hardcore mode?? More like WUSS-mode!

Killa_2327 said:
So untrue it's ridiculous. You do realize a headshot will kill pretty much no matter what regardless of mode, especially with the gun you put down. The problem with HC isn't that people die when you shoot them in the face, the problem is people die when you shoot them in the FOOT.
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Nope, sorry. I wouldn't just come out and say something like that unfounded.

Try what I tried. You and a friend join a low-pinging, empty server. One of you stand in front of the other, and allow him to shoot you in the face with an AK - no juggernaut or damage perks. Same with a desert eagle. No death. That, to me, stinks of shit. A game mode that allows you to get hit in the face at arm's length with a .50 round and live sucks a fat one.

Besides, if you get shot in the foot or leg, you may well not die instantly but you'd be all fucked up.
 
Bottomline. No matter which way you try to spin it a noob will benefit in hardcore mode more because:

a)you can spray and hit people anywhere even in the foot it's a kill, which

b)benefits camping

and most importantly

c)RADAR I bet 90% people in hardcore don't even bother looking at UAV even when it' up. In normal you have to switch your focus from uav to battlefield constantly and basically focus on 2 things at once. It takes constant concentration and coordination. Plus radar updates once every 3 seconds which in itself is a skill to predict where between bleeps enemys will be.

HC mode all u do is focus on is finding an enemy and spray anywhere around them and they die.


1)Realism? sure, hardcore is more real

2)Harder? NO!!! it's easier to kill people
 
Hardcore mode is noob hell, I have no damn clue why every server is running hardcore mode now, it's completely ruining the game. It takes absolutely no skill to shoot the no-recoil guns in COD4 and one shot kills are cheap and take the fun out of the game. If Infinity Ward gave a shit about the PC community they would fix the browser and include a Hardcore filter.
 
I'm just glad so many people are playing COD4. I have been a huge COD fan since the first one came out. But it didn't have a huge following because there were too many people saying "omg not another WW2 game".
 
Nytegard said:
All this post really sounds like is that you thought you were good because you played on a normal server, and when you went to an HC server, you got your *** owned.
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Just from experience, 90% of the time players that use the normal system dominate over those that use hardcore. Again, MY experiences. My clan always dominates hardcore clans that we play.

I think the reason is because of the aiming and reaction time needed to make a kill on a normal server. To be competitive with normal settings you have fire faster and stay accurate longer as opposed to hardcore mode. You have to fire faster because you simply have to put more bullets into someone before they go down. Have to be more accurate for the same reasons. One of my big problems with hardcore mode is the ease of wall spamming for kills. It's so much harder on regular, particularly on TWL and CAL settings where no hit blips happen through walls.

I personally HATE this argument. It's personal preference if you're a sit and wait player or if you are a rambo and that will determine what you like. I play on both servers depending on my mood but I compete with normal settings.

I think it takes more skill to actually be successful in normal mode because you battle everything in hardcore PLUS the constant fear of the radar blip. And when you see an enemy, you have to have some accurate shooting.

This is too long and repetitive. Sorry.

My point is that I think normal take more skill, but others disagree and that's okay. What's the point in arguing? Different strokes for different folks.
 
The beauty of this game is that it caters to all people imo, i lean more toward the hardcore as my clan runs the awe mod/hc custom with marty/last stand turned off, and it takes more kills to get airstike/heli. Its certainly more tactical and can be alot of fun. I also play on a server running hc/awe where you cant run at all only move while crouched or aiming down sites. i dont care if i have 20 or 40 kills in a map, i do care if i have 40 deaths, normal mode is great for running and gunning its what got me addicted to fps in the first place. The fun for me is to go on the normal servers and own with my "wuss hc skills" and try to keep my death toll under 10-15:D. If youre sick of r&g drop me a pm and i will show you were the men play, if youre down with the kiddies i get it i like getting my groove on like the next guy, again the beauty of this game is you can play any style you want, try that on CS:cool:
 
Normal definitely takes more skill, and hardcore is full of the nazis who are trying to get ultimate realism (and yet don't want to enlist in the army) by banning jumping and other things. Most of these 'hardcore' pussies would get rocked on a PAM4 server.
 
Wally said:
Nope, sorry. I wouldn't just come out and say something like that unfounded.

Try what I tried. You and a friend join a low-pinging, empty server. One of you stand in front of the other, and allow him to shoot you in the face with an AK - no juggernaut or damage perks. Same with a desert eagle. No death. That, to me, stinks of shit. A game mode that allows you to get hit in the face at arm's length with a .50 round and live sucks a fat one.

Besides, if you get shot in the foot or leg, you may well not die instantly but you'd be all fucked up.
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Yes I've tried that and yes...the person dies. Are you sure you hit them in the head? :rolleyes:
 
shiznit said:
I have no damn clue why every server is running hardcore mode now, it's completely ruining the game.
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Exactly. Why I started this thread.

If modes were called "Normal" and "Realism" there would be more servers running Normal.

People are dumb enough to think just cause it's called "hardcore" they're doing something hardcore.
 
shiznit said:
Normal definitely takes more skill, and hardcore is full of the nazis who are trying to get ultimate realism (and yet don't want to enlist in the army) by banning jumping and other things. Most of these 'hardcore' pussies would get rocked on a PAM4 server.
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"I mean, I even heard there's no respawn points in RL!"
 
When you get good at hardcore, you can get shot one or two times and still not die with most weapons.... you pay more attention to leaving your ass hanging out than dancing around in the middle of the street like a tard just because you can dodge and heal faster while being able to return fire fast enough to prevent anyone else from getting enough bullets in you first. Hardcore is HARDCORE. Its a different skillset than what the usual 'twitch gamer' type develops, but I would consider it more intense as well as difficult to master. Duck-walking & bunny-hopping, etc... not major skills in comparison to using some tactics, teamwork, and being sure to watch your angles and cover. Most of you who 'dog' on hardcore most likely are 'run & gun' players who think you are hot sh!t because of what you can do... its more of an offensive game when the damage isnt as 'dangerous' because you are more bulletproof. Well, hardcore does make things a bit more defensive, but it makes sense... if things do more damage, and you dont have the wussy crosshairs to help you aim while you run & gun, you might be more concerned about getting that bullet in the ass. And, if you stay and play for a while on some of the hardcore servers I know, you will see that things do return to normal after a while as everyone gets that much more skilled... you can run & gun that much better in hardcore, bunny hop, etc... you just have to be THAT MUCH BETTER AT IT since the consequences if you mess up are that much worse. I have been shot a dozen times before dying in hardcore... I just didnt have the expectation that I could do the stupid crap I could do in a regular server and get away with it. I got shot through a wall, in the butt, leg, etc... so then I have incentive to dodge the following bullets that much better.

Tell me, how is hardcore not hardcore again? The OP even changed his mind after actually TRYING IT for a while.
 
Certain guns are better for hardcore, certain guns are just cheap.

I like being skilled and using single shot weapons in hardcore...stupid tards who use automatics and just spray piss me off. I just wait till they have to reload then own them ;)
 
Grentz said:
Certain guns are better for hardcore, certain guns are just cheap.

I like being skilled and using single shot weapons in hardcore...stupid tards who use automatics and just spray piss me off. I just wait till they have to reload then own them ;)
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As if shooting in 'hardcore' mode required any skill at all.
 
undertheradar said:
When you get good at hardcore, you can get shot one or two times and still not die with most weapons.... you pay more attention to leaving your ass hanging out than dancing around in the middle of the street like a tard just because you can dodge and heal faster while being able to return fire fast enough to prevent anyone else from getting enough bullets in you first. Hardcore is HARDCORE. Its a different skillset than what the usual 'twitch gamer' type develops, but I would consider it more intense as well as difficult to master. Duck-walking & bunny-hopping, etc... not major skills in comparison to using some tactics, teamwork, and being sure to watch your angles and cover. Most of you who 'dog' on hardcore most likely are 'run & gun' players who think you are hot sh!t because of what you can do... its more of an offensive game when the damage isnt as 'dangerous' because you are more bulletproof. Well, hardcore does make things a bit more defensive, but it makes sense... if things do more damage, and you dont have the wussy crosshairs to help you aim while you run & gun, you might be more concerned about getting that bullet in the ass. And, if you stay and play for a while on some of the hardcore servers I know, you will see that things do return to normal after a while as everyone gets that much more skilled... you can run & gun that much better in hardcore, bunny hop, etc... you just have to be THAT MUCH BETTER AT IT since the consequences if you mess up are that much worse. I have been shot a dozen times before dying in hardcore... I just didnt have the expectation that I could do the stupid crap I could do in a regular server and get away with it. I got shot through a wall, in the butt, leg, etc... so then I have incentive to dodge the following bullets that much better.
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Everything you typed explains why noobs succeed more at hardcore. think about it. if it's named hardcore it should be more difficult for noobs to get kills not less.
 
Visec said:
Bottomline. No matter which way you try to spin it a noob will benefit in hardcore mode more because:

a)you can spray and hit people anywhere even in the foot it's a kill, which

b)benefits camping

and most importantly

c)RADAR I bet 90% people in hardcore don't even bother looking at UAV even when it' up. In normal you have to switch your focus from uav to battlefield constantly and basically focus on 2 things at once. It takes constant concentration and coordination. Plus radar updates once every 3 seconds which in itself is a skill to predict where between bleeps enemys will be.

HC mode all u do is focus on is finding an enemy and spray anywhere around them and they die.


1)Realism? sure, hardcore is more real

2)Harder? NO!!! it's easier to kill people
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a) not true. depends on the gun, but I think getting shot in the foot with a barrett would be pretty deadly still, dont you? Getting it in the chest or head is a kill, as it should be.

b) actually makes camping harder because as you point out, random bullets can kill that much easier. You just have to know how to deal with it.

c) I use UAV all the time in hardcore, more than in normal mode. In some ways, its that much more vital to use it while its up since it is 100% gone otherwise and you cant even see your own team then. When you score a UAV, the pace of the game picks up quickly because its your time to strike... and so the UAV becomes a much more offensive tool. Also, since bullets are that much more deadly, it pays to know where your enemy is. You cant just run around the map dogfighting everyone one-on-one... you need to plan ahead and know your angles when you advance, not just use the same tactic on every map.

Sure, its easier to spray & pray. However it also means that the people you play against wont be as likely to run around the streets as they get better. It means there is the additional challenge of minding your cover while you are firing or you might be next, not just run & dodge. It means you mind the UAV more because you can actually shoot someone through a brick wall and kill them, something that is almost useless unless in hardcore. When you get on a good hardcore server, you wont see camping so much, but you will see run & gun more since people do get that good at it, just in a different way. IMO, they end up that much better because they are running and gunning with such a small margin for error.

Harder or Easier... its bit of both. Its a different skillset, one that requires you to think more. I do think the skillset for hardcore is harder to master though as a consequence. Sure you can say its easier to kill, but its also that much easier to get killed. It doesnt really favor noobs, snipers, campers, etc... once the players on the server get good. Someone is camping? Great, just toss a grenade anywhere near them and they are more likely to be toast. Someone sniping? Well, as you pointed out, as long as you know about where they are, you can shoot and most likely get them that much easier. Cant run & gun or sneak up on people and knife as easily... okay, get better at it because it does still happen in hardcore. Its hardcore because there is less margin for error and you cant expect your bunny hopping and duck walking to make up for your mistakes. You cant run across enemy fire with the expectation that you can just hide behind the barrels for a bit and heal back up. There is a counter for every argument you can bring up to be critical of hardcore... in the end, hardcore is hardcore because the consequences of messing up are that much more deadly.

Here's my proof: my previous video card wasnt good enough for CoD4, so there was lots of chop. If I wanted to play, I couldnt even dream of playing hardcore, as I could be dead in half a second. I played regular mode as a consequence, and did much better under those circumstances.
 
I wouldn't care if people wanted call hardcore mode hardcore. but theres NO NORMAL SERVERS because noobs think they're doing hardcore gaming when they're just noobs.

How can you play COD4 for over a month when the maps are tiny it's the same shit over and over, gameplay doesn't evolve, it's repeadetive.

Theres reasons why 24 million play WoW the most noobish MMO ever made, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOOBS.

Hardcore is for noobs. THATS ALL IM SAYIN! :p
 
Another reason Normal is more hardcore: KNIFE

Knife is worthless in hardcore. You're better off bursting your gun for 1 second instead of ever using knife. Using knife key in Hardcore makes you vulnrable to attacks and enemy's die just as fast using bullets so why even bother using knife.

However Knife in normal is a viable tactic. Instead of only pushing mouse1 you have the option pushing secondary attack key hopping and stab, It adds an element to close combat that rewards quicker smart reacting players where in hardcore it just screws you over.

I see no arguments how normal is EASIER for noobs in any way, yes it's harder to live but it's easier to kill.

theres many reasons noobs rather be playing in hardcore than normal:
noobs cant use radar
noobs would rather kill people in 2 shots rather than 5
noobs cant bother reaching for a second attack 'knife' button
noobs LOVE camping!

hardcore is just more noob catering. I want some normal servers to play in they should call it realism.
 
shiznit said:
there is a reason leagues don't use hardcore mode, it sucks.
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TWL does have hardcore. Leagues do exist, just not as popular.

EDIT: The TWL league is popular, but overall leagues prefer the normal game type.
 
Clearly, Visec, the failure of your argument lies in the fact that you are not acknowledging that in normal mode it is harder to kill someone and in hardcore mode it is harder to survive.

Personally, I think that it takes more skill to survive than to kill.

In normal mode, you can survive being shot many times and still turn around and get a lucky one shot kill on the person shooting you. In that case, it isn't hard to survive, it's hard to kill.

In hardcore mode, because you die if you get shot, you must be careful about how you move, where you move, when you move. It is hard to survive if you run around like Rambo, so it requires more skill to survive.

The breakdown in your argument becomes apparent because everyone has a different opinion of which skillset is "harder", killing or surviving. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that people have different opinions of what is "harder".

You also complain about campers a lot. Clearly, in this case, someone has figured out a skill set that allows them to overcome your preferred method of playing whereby you charge around like Rambo. One could argue, as has been said before, that if they are camping, you know where they are and should be able to adapt and either avoid them, thereby making their camping efforts boring and useless, or find a creative way to get around them and knife them or kill them.

Normal mode has many features that enable players who lack the ability to overcome challenges to survive anyway. UAV always up, kill cam pointing out where people are, etc, as well as the previously detailed argument that it is harder to kill in normal mode meaning you can "Rambo" your way up to them.

In the end, I have played both modes, but hardcore is far more entertaining to me, and is, in my opinion as well as many others, more challenging to play. You can have your normal servers, and I fully support the need for a HC filter in the server list. That way you don't end up on my servers and I don't end up on yours.
 
Question: If it's a fact that a majority of people playing online are noobs, seeing that theres TONS of "hardcore" severs, and almost NO normal ones.. Doesn't that just verify that Hardcore mode is for noobs?
 
Spetsdod said:
The breakdown in your argument becomes apparent because everyone has a different opinion of which skillset is "harder", killing or surviving. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that people have different opinions of what is "harder".
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That's the main question. Whats easier for noobs?.....Killing in normal, but extra armor? Or surviving in hardcore, but deadlier bullets?

It all boils down to whether having extra armor in Normal makes up for having to put an extra 5 bullets into the enemy, enemy's who might have better FPS aiming than you.

Normal mode you have additional armor. Is having extra armor going to help a n00b if he aims like crap? If he's facing a twitch gamer who also has extra armor? Who does extra armor benefit more a Pro or a Noob.....A Pro can hop and hit a noob in the headshot negating his armor. A Pro bunny hop twice then knife you in the face how's that extra armor now?

Take away headshots and knife kills. You're a noob with extra armor but you aim like crap. Unlike hardcore you have to put half a clip into your enemy, but wait YOUR AIM SUX cause you're a noob. So you start shooting at the pro but since the pro has twitch aiming he's going to spin around lock onto you like an aimbot and get you before you get him. The extra armor in Normal helps HARDCORE players way more than it helps noobs I don't see how anyone can even argue that.

Aim, twich FPSing are the main reasons why Normal is MORE hardcore. In "Hardcore" Aim isn't even a factor you spray anywhere the enemy dies.

Pro's can be stealthy in Normal mode just like in Hardcore, except in hardcore 'wuss-mode' 1 bullet kill isn't activated. The damage bonus in Hardcore is ridiculous and it benefits a noob 100%.

Thats why theres a million HC servers and zero normal. HC is noob heaven.
 
HC server + no kill cam = camper heaven .Teams just pretty much snipe, grenade launch, or use rockets all day. I guess it depends on who you ask, but I prefer seek and destroy type of play where both sides are moving constantly.
 
Visec said:
That's the main question. Whats easier for noobs?.....Killing in normal, but extra armor? Or surviving in hardcore, but deadlier bullets?

It all boils down to whether having extra armor in Normal makes up for having to put an extra 5 bullets into the enemy, enemy's who might have better FPS aiming than you.

Normal mode you have additional armor. Is having extra armor going to help a n00b if he aims like crap? If he's facing a twitch gamer who also has extra armor? Who does extra armor benefit more a Pro or a Noob.....A Pro can hop and hit a noob in the headshot negating his armor. A Pro bunny hop twice then knife you in the face how's that extra armor now?

Take away headshots and knife kills. You're a noob with extra armor but you aim like crap. Unlike hardcore you have to put half a clip into your enemy, but wait YOUR AIM SUX cause you're a noob. So you start shooting at the pro but since the pro has twitch aiming he's going to spin around lock onto you like an aimbot and get you before you get him. The extra armor in Normal helps HARDCORE players way more than it helps noobs I don't see how anyone can even argue that.

Aim, twich FPSing are the main reasons why Normal is MORE hardcore. In "Hardcore" Aim isn't even a factor you spray anywhere the enemy dies.

Pro's can be stealthy in Normal mode just like in Hardcore, except in hardcore 'wuss-mode' 1 bullet kill isn't activated. The damage bonus in Hardcore is ridiculous and it benefits a noob 100%.

Thats why theres a million HC servers and zero normal. HC is noob heaven.
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You continue to argue yourself into a hole. Normal servers offer all the crutches: cross hairs, extra armor, UAV, kill cam... Obviously if you need those things to be competitive then you belong on normal servers. Your definition of pro vs. noob comes down to the ability to aim and "hop around" to avoid being shot instead of the ability to think and not get randomly shot because you ran out in the open.

I think the comment someone made earlier really makes this discussion clear. You can't find enough normal mode servers to play on, so you tried playing on a hardcore server and got dominated. And now you're here complaining about instead of getting better at the game. Your crutches are gone and you can't adapt.

Good luck with whatever you find to do.
 
Mac[X-D];1032390187 said:
+1 :)
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+1 as well.

This thread has become officially hilarious.

How about this: We find a match server that someone is willing to let some [H] members use and we play some TDMs on hardcore and normal.

Obviously, hardcore guys on one side, normal on the other. Play, let's say, 2 15 minute matches on 2 selected maps for a total of 4 matches. 2 HC, 2 norm.

TWL or CAL settings should really even the playing field. It adheres to the ones with the most skill.

Anyone have a server? My clan does, but I dunno if we could use it. :p
 
Visec said:
Question: If it's a fact that a majority of people playing online are noobs, seeing that theres TONS of "hardcore" severs, and almost NO normal ones.. Doesn't that just verify that Hardcore mode is for noobs?
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I think there's a term for that sort of reasoning. Fairly sure it isn't a "Straw Man". Begins with a 'C', I think. Can't remember. Can anyone think of it? It's going to drive me nuts trying to remember it.

Anyway, in response: no. It doesn't verify that. That is totally flawed reasoning.

In addition, the frequency with which you use the non-word 'noobs' destroys any credibility, and in fact serves the opposite. You're just starting to look like a fifteen year-old CS fanatic.
 
A novice player having less armor in Hardcore works to his advantage, because, everyone else has less armor too. Yes it's HARDER to survive. But that same novice in 'Normal' surviving becomes MORE difficult because skills like aiming/knife/RADAR are more required.


You have yet to list reasons why Novice players choose Normal instead of "EZ Hardcore mode"

Stealth is the only valid argument, I'll explain why that's wrong ending once and forall this debate.

Stealth is a factor of both modes. Stealth in Normal is a required factor, but it doesn't Dumb down the other aspects of gameplay like Hardcore. Hardcore completely removes things newer players might be bad at raises weapon damage and lowers armor. Good players can be stealthy too in normal, so hardcore only helps the newbie.


You say 'go play a normal server' thats the problem THERE ISNT ANY because the fucking noobs think they're doing hardcore gaming because it's called hardcore but they're not theyre just being noobs lol :rolleyes:

The fact New players have it easier in Hardcore is bs If Devs named it "Realism" this thread wouldn't exist HC servers are dominating the game I just want to clear up that hardcore mode is not harder it's easier.


So. Note to future devs. If youre going to name it Hardcore, make it for more Hardcore players, not more for noobs, because that's backwards.

That is all.
 
Visec said:
I wouldn't care if people wanted call hardcore mode hardcore. but theres NO NORMAL SERVERS because noobs think they're doing hardcore gaming when they're just noobs.

How can you play COD4 for over a month when the maps are tiny it's the same shit over and over, gameplay doesn't evolve, it's repeadetive.

Theres reasons why 24 million play WoW the most noobish MMO ever made, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOOBS.

Hardcore is for noobs. THATS ALL IM SAYIN! :p
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I would say noobs have an easier time on regular maps than hardcore. They mess up more and die more on hardcore maps. If you are playing on a hardcore map with all noobs, sure, its stupid, but so is any game that way. If you play on a dedicated vet hardcore server, the noobs leave pretty fast because the vets pick them off too fast (its all about knowing the maps and knowing your enemy). Like I said, when I was a noob, with a crappy vid card, hardcore was impossible.
 
kadozer said:
HC server + no kill cam = camper heaven .Teams just pretty much snipe, grenade launch, or use rockets all day. I guess it depends on who you ask, but I prefer seek and destroy type of play where both sides are moving constantly.
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Yet its that much easier to route a camper when you think about it... Not to mention, many hardcore servers dont allow grenade launchers (as well as martyrdom). If you dont know how to check your corners for campers as you move through a map, the reason you dont like hardcore is because you are the noob, and you deserve to get shot. You are most likely used to dealing with campers by being able to hop around after they start shooting at you, spin around, and return fire... like its some sort of skill. In hardcore you are dead already without the chance to return fire like that, which makes sense: you messed up, so you die. No Kill Cam!?!?! Hell yeah... Kill Cam is for noobs.
 
Visec said:
A novice player having less armor in Hardcore works to his advantage, because, everyone else has less armor too. Yes it's HARDER to survive. But if that same novice plays in 'Normal' surviving becomes even MORE difficult because skillsets like aiming/knife/RADAR become more required.


You have yet to list reasons why Novice players choose Normal instead of "EZ Hardcore mode"

Stealth is the only valid argument, I'll explain why that's wrong ending once and forall this debate.

Stealth is a factor of both modes. Stealth in Normal is a required factor, but it doesn't Dumb down the other aspects of the game like Hardcore. Hardcore puts focus more on stealth, but also completely removes things newer players would be bad at.


You say 'go play a normal server' thats the problem THERE ISNT ANY because all the fucking noobs think they're doing hardcore gaming when they're not. theyre just being noobs lol :rolleyes:

The fact New players have it easier in Hardcore is bs. If Devs named it "Realism" this thread wouldn't exist.HC servers are dominating the game I just want to clear up that hardcore mode is not harder it's easier.


So. Note to future devs. If youre going to name it Hardcore make it for more Hardcore players, not more for noobs, because that's backwards.

That is all.
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Time for you to stop posting. If you reckon you're 'hardcore' because your style of play - running around and holding the button down, soaking up bullets - differs from others, rather than due to an arbitrary moniker given to a game mode by the developers, great. You're a pro. You're awesome, and you're a hardcore gamer, not the people that play on 'Hardcore' servers because they prefer the style of play.

You're really projecting a lot. Your posts seem to be written as though you perceive everyone that plays on Hardcore servers as fancying themselves pro gamers, rather than doing so simply because they prefer the style of play. Just because you're a sweat-to-win player doesn't mean others are.

Some serious hang-ups on show here. Inferiority comlplex or something, god knows.
 
Yea this thread has pretty much run its course. Hardcore mode sucks and when I have to join and quit 10 servers before I find one that's running Normal mode with anything but Deathmatch then it's a sign that something is terribly wrong. Hardcore garbage has taken over the low ping servers for me, and like someone else said most people are so stupid they believe they are doing something 'Hardcore' just because it's called that. If Infinity Ward gave a shit about us they would include Hardcore mode filter in the server browsers so we don't have to waste so much time. I'll stick to the couple private PAM4 servers I know and go back to mostly playing CSS.
 
Visec said:
A novice player having less armor in Hardcore works to his advantage, because, everyone else has less armor too. Yes it's HARDER to survive. But if that same novice plays in 'Normal' surviving becomes even MORE difficult because skillsets like aiming/knife/RADAR become more required.


You have yet to list reasons why Novice players choose Normal instead of "EZ Hardcore mode"

Stealth is the only valid argument, I'll explain why that's wrong ending once and forall this debate.

Stealth is a factor of both modes. Stealth in Normal is a required factor, but it doesn't Dumb down the other aspects of the game like Hardcore. Hardcore puts focus more on stealth, but also completely removes things newer players would be bad at.


You say 'go play a normal server' thats the problem THERE ISNT ANY because all the fucking noobs think they're doing hardcore gaming when they're not. theyre just being noobs lol :rolleyes:

The fact New players have it easier in Hardcore is bs. If Devs named it "Realism" this thread wouldn't exist.HC servers are dominating the game I just want to clear up that hardcore mode is not harder it's easier.


So. Note to future devs. If youre going to name it Hardcore make it for more Hardcore players, not more for noobs, because that's backwards.

That is all.
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Uh, aim in hardcore is still very important. If you dont make that first shot count, the enemy can still spin around and kill you that much faster. If you mind your cover and cover your angles as you move, you can still move fast and duck when the bullets fly after getting hit once or twice. If you are running out in the open and get shot/wounded with the opportunity to still bunny hop into a corner... well... that sounds more noob-tastic to me. Its alot like playing RTS's... say CNC style versus starcraft/warcraft style. The combat resolution is just faster with the C&C style, but that doesnt make it easier or harder. As you point out yourself, the 'easier killing' is balanced out with the 'easier dying'... so I really dont see this as a valid argument. It just prevents the hacks from duck-walking and bunny hopping when they get snuck up on. Since its easier to do that on a regular server, and I would consider that to be more of a noob skill, hardcore makes sense to me in that respect. Slowing down combat so it takes almost a whole P90 clip to kill someone is for noobs IMO.

Fine, lets look at HC vs. Normal. The easykill/easydie isnt a valid argument for noob vs. vet since it goes both ways. It just means combat resolution is faster, and if you happen to sneak up on a group of enemies with your machinegun up, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WASTE THEM ALL, not take out one (requiring 12 shots or something) and then have the two others start jumping around while returning fire.

If you could take Normal mode, and remove the noob-friendly cross-hairs, as well as the constant UAV (so you always know where your own team is at least), then I might buy the idea that Normal mode isnt for noobs more than hardcore. Oh, as well as the Kill Cam, and high likelyhood of everyone using martyrdom like noobs.

If you are used to playing normal, HC is most likely a shocker because you are used to your enemy just jumping around in the open. On good HC maps, everyone minds their cover and doesnt just run & gun like twitch morons on a Quake server. You think 'oh, its a bunch of campers' and they are most likely thinking 'look at the noob with the 1-24 score who keeps running around in the open'. Hardcore isnt for chickens with guns. If you get good at hardcore, you can still run fast and flank an enemy that much better, with even better results. Hardcore makes you mind your surroundings in each map that much more, as well as knowing your enemy more, and using the UAV as an offensive tool that much more. You can get good at normal mode simply by getting good at the 'spin around', duck walking, bunny hopping, etc... skills from Quake that dont require a brain.
 
shiznit said:
Yea this thread has pretty much run its course. Hardcore mode sucks and when I have to join and quit 10 servers before I find one that's running Normal mode with anything but Deathmatch then it's a sign that something is terribly wrong. Hardcore garbage has taken over the low ping servers for me, and like someone else said most people are so stupid they believe they are doing something 'Hardcore' just because it's called that. If Infinity Ward gave a shit about us they would include Hardcore mode filter in the server browsers so we don't have to waste so much time. I'll stick to the couple private PAM4 servers I know and go back to mostly playing CSS.
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You cant hate hardcore just because you cant play. Dont hate the mode, hate the game. You could just decide to learn how to play hardcore... it might be harder, but you'll get better at it.

I agree, there should be a filter so that I can filter out all the noob normal mode servers.

Someone suggested a square-off between HC and normal players on some server...
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Wally said:
Time for you to stop posting. If you reckon you're 'hardcore' because your style of play - running around and holding the button down, soaking up bullets - differs from others, rather than due to an arbitrary moniker given to a game mode by the developers, great. You're a pro. You're awesome, and you're a hardcore gamer, not the people that play on 'Hardcore' servers because they prefer the style of play.

You're really projecting a lot. Your posts seem to be written as though you perceive everyone that plays on Hardcore servers as fancying themselves pro gamers, rather than doing so simply because they prefer the style of play. Just because you're a sweat-to-win player doesn't mean others are.

Some serious hang-ups on show here. Inferiority comlplex or something, god knows.
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That's why I said in my post (which you quoted) If dev's named it Realism this thread wouldn't exist. I started it because I can't get a normal server to play on because noobs are dumb enough to think because its called hardcore its actually harder.

So in the future, devs..call it realism. /endthread
 
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